If you’re a California gun owner, 2026 didn’t just bring a new calendar. It brought new storage rules, too.
On a recent episode of California Gun Law, host Don Hammond walked through the state’s freshly updated firearm storage laws that officially took effect January 1, 2026.
And fair warning: this is one of those “sounds boring until it gets expensive or criminal” topics.
The changes come from Assembly Bill 53, passed back in 2024, and they dramatically tighten how firearms must be stored inside any “residence.” And California defines “residence” broadly. Houses, apartments, hotel rooms, RVs, even places where you’re temporarily living all count.
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The heart of the update lives in Penal Code sections 25100 and 25145, which now spell out three flavors of “criminal storage of a firearm.”
- First-degree criminal storage is the big one. If a child or prohibited person accesses your firearm and causes death or great bodily injury, you’re looking at felony charges.
- Second-degree drops to a misdemeanor if someone gets hurt but not seriously injured.
- Third-degree still lands you in misdemeanor territory even if no one touches the gun. if you should have known access was possible.
Here’s the kicker: a lot of old exceptions are gone. Previously, if you reasonably believed no children would be present, you might have been in the clear.
Not anymore. As Hammond explains, the only real safe harbor now is compliance with Penal Code 25145. Meaning guns not under your immediate control must be locked up properly.
And “properly” now has a legal definition. Firearms must be secured using either a DOJ-approved firearm safety device (yes, those padlocks still count) or a gun safe that meets specific DOJ standards.
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The state even regulates steel thickness and construction details. Miss the mark, and you’re looking at fines starting at $250, climbing to $500, and eventually misdemeanor charges with possible jail time.
Will cops be randomly checking gun safes? No. Thank you, Fourth Amendment. But as Hammond jokes, people always find creative ways to get caught.
Bottom line: California just raised the stakes. If you own guns, locking them up isn’t just smart. It’s legally mandatory. Stay informed, stay legal, and maybe double-check that safe while you’re at it.
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Paul… we need you to help set this lefty straight. Its your 1st ammendment after all!
No showers for you only baths may you take.
It’s funny how Californians complain about laws that make them be held responsible for their actions or lack of and yet they don’t even take their own responsibility in the way they vote lol. Every time I hear something happening like this in California I just laugh and am thankful I live on the other side of the continent.
You people reap what you sell and if you’re not smart enough to figure that out, please stay in California!
You must be as retarded as Timmy. California has shootings everyday! Like top of the charts stats. If California was in competition to see what governor can be the best at committing crimes and smile like a psychopath while doing it, California would be the champ! Theres no single reason for anymore new b.s. laws that only affect people’s liberty.
California has always led the way in social change and this is a top notch law that is needed at the Federal Level.
Now of course the Paranoid Far Right Nut Cases will go spastic and foam at the mouth because to them children’s lives are considered cheap and expendable and always to be sacrificed on the depraved Altar of zero gun control at any price.
Civilized nations have long ago had such safe storage laws and their far lower child death rate from firearms has proven their laws were necessary beyond all doubt. In the U.S. were life is considered cheap and expendable over 1,400 children are killed every year because of irresponsible hillbilly parents who have less education than a 5th grader or are suffering from advanced full blown paranoia.
And yes safe storage laws will pass Constitutional Muster because even back prior to the 2nd Amendment some Cities in the U.S. had bans on keeping loaded guns in the home, surprise, surprise for the Far Right who I am sure never heard of such laws in Colonial America. Too bad they all flunked their History Classes.
Now to counter the insanity of the Far Right Paranoids. I personally raised 2 children and every damn gun was unloaded and locked up in a safe. In a rare case when I thought I might need a gun I carried it on my person. Problem solved and no children accidentally shot with an unattended loaded firearm. This is too far advanced a concept for people suffering from advanced paranoia.
This new California law does “not” prevent you from carrying a gun on your person if you feel the need too. And a firearm can be accessed from most safes in not much more than 1 second proving the lunatic rantings of the paranoid Far Right are just their insane howling from the rooftops by the light of the full moon.
Safe storage laws also make it much more difficult for the ordinary Neanderthal Robber to just make a “smash and grab” robbery because it is just not going to happen with guns locked away in a safe. The criminal has no idea when you will be returning and he must figure on there also being an alarm system summoning the cops so he knows he has to act fast and trying to saw his way into a safe is not an option.
Criminals get guns in two ways. Some are stolen but the majority are bought “used” with zero paperwork which is why vetting of “all” firearms purchases is so necessary and Registration is an even better idea. Of course the uneducated Neanderthal Paranoids will scream that if their guns are registered they will be confiscated. Not really, since 1933 not one registered machine gun or silencer has been confiscated and even if there were “zero registration” if the State or Feds outlaws a certain type of firearm you could never sell it, shoot it, or use it in self-defense without being caught and sent to prison so the Registration Boogey Man is nothing more than a propaganda pitch for the zero gun law nut cases.
You must be as retarded as Timmy. California has shootings everyday! Like top of the charts stats. If California was in competition to see what governor can be the best at committing crimes and smile like a psychopath while doing it, California would be the champ! Theres no single reason for anymore new b.s. laws that only affect people’s liberty.
Well, I must say that Dacian is a least consistent in that he is usually wrong, but never in doubt. Specializing in sweeping generalizations, fact-free assertations, and ad hominems dripping with elitism and contempt for those he considers his inferiors, he pontificates from his high horse, oblivious to his own failings and inadequacies.
“In the U.S. were life is considered cheap and expendable over 1,400 children are killed every year because of irresponsible hillbilly parents who have less education than a 5th grader or are suffering from advanced full blown paranoia.”
1,400 children killed every year? Hardly. From the 2023 CDC study – “During 2003–2021, a total of 1,262 fatal unintentional firearm injury cases among children aged 0–17 years were identified in NVDRS . . .”. that’s about 70 per year.
“A majority of victims were in one of the following three racial and ethnic groups: non-Hispanic Black or African American (39.9%), Hispanic or Latino (10.7%), and non-Hispanic White (42.2%).” Who knew there were so many Black and Hispanic “hillbillys”.
“Criminals get guns in two ways. Some are stolen but the majority are bought “used” with zero paperwork which is why vetting of “all” firearms purchases is so necessary and Registration is an even better idea.”
According to the DOJ study “Source and Use of Firearms Involved in Crimes: Survey of Prison Inmates, 2016”, just 1.5% of all firearms possessed by state and federal prisoners during the offense for which they were serving time were obtained via burglary.
– Purchased/traded at retail source – 10.1%
– Obtained from individual 25.3% (Purchased/traded from family/friend – 8.0; rented/borrowed from family/friend – 6.5; gift/purchased for prisoner – 10.8%)
– Off the street/black market 43.2% – How exactly are you going to “vett” and “register” black market gun transfers?
– Straw purchases – 4.6%
He can’t even get something as simple as the date of the National Firearms Act correct – it was 1934, not 1933.
BTW – the government doesn’t need registration to confiscate guns (although it does make it easier) and they have already done it. Confiscating firearms from Japanese-Americans during internment and from New Orleans residents during Katrina are just two examples that come to mind.
QUOTE———————-– Obtained from individual 25.3% (Purchased/traded from family/friend – 8.0; rented/borrowed from family/friend – 6.5; gift/purchased for prisoner – 10.8%)————quote
Tough gun laws like Registration or mandatory transfers through an F.F.L with sever penalties would indeed reduce your 25% figure.
quote——————–– Off the street/black market 43.2% – How exactly are you going to “vett” and “register” black market gun transfers?
– Straw purchases – 4.6%————quote
So now “by your own figures” we have 25% plus 43% equals 68% decrease in illegal guns used in crimes. Of course you will just ignore this with the simple wave of the hand. You really fell head first into the outhouse on those two statements. Think before posting!!!
Well Genius boy you just proved yourself wrong with that post. When guns are registered the “street gun” supply dries up very quickly and when you couple that with safe storage laws the gun supply on the street is reduced even further. Genius boy try sometime to buy a gun on the street in “civilized countries” like the European and Asian Countries. In most cases you will not even find one for sale. Yes there are illegal guns in all countries but the percentage of them on the street is very small. I could give you many examples of nut case that were forced to try and make home made guns that naturally failed when they tried to commit a murder such as the man in Germany a few years ago that tried to massacre Jews when they were at church with a homemade single shot gun that misfired.
I could also give you many examples where nut case that could not get guns tried to resort to knives for a school massacre, one in Japan and one in China and guess what genius gun rights boy, all the children survived the two knife attacks and ditto for the London Bridge Bar attack with knives, everyone survived and beat the crap out of the nutcases. Now compared that to Stephen paddock that gunned down 413 people in Las Vegas or the Orlando club massacre where 50 were gunned down.
quote—————————1,400 children killed every year? Hardly. From the 2023 CDC study – “During 2003–2021, a total of 1,262 fatal unintentional firearm injury cases among children aged 0–17 years were identified in NVDRS . . .”. that’s about 70 per year.—————quote
And your total bull crap that 1,400 children are not gunned down every year is easily verifiable by numerous studies and Stats on yearly children’s deaths. Did you really think you could get away with that statement?????
HERE IS JUST A COUPLE OF STUDIES OF “MANY” AND IT TOOK LESS THAT 1 SECOND TO FIND THESE ON THE NET.
FROM JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY STUDY.
New Report Highlights U.S. 2022 Gun-Related Deaths: Firearms Remain Leading Cause of Death for Children and Teens, and Disproportionately Affect People of Color
For third straight year, firearms killed more children and teens, ages 1 to 17, than any other cause including car crashes and cancer
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WBTV) – Gun violence is now the leading cause of death among teenagers in this country according to the CDC. Last year, 1,400 children died from gun violence.
That’s nearly four kids a day.
AND THIS STUDY
A new study published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics found that over 7,000 more children died from firearm-related injuries in the years following a 2010 Supreme Court decision that gave states greater power to set their own gun laws. Most of those deaths occurred in states that opted to make it easier to purchase and carry firearms.
The study, led by Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency medicine doctor with Mass General Brigham, found a sharp increase in gun-related deaths among children and teens ages 0 to 17 beginning in 2011, following the 2010 McDonald v. Chicago decision, which ruled that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms was applicable to all states and municipalities and ultimately overturned municipal handgun bans like the one previously enforced in Chicago.
Over the 12-year post-decision period, researchers estimate more than 6,000 excess deaths occurred in states with the most permissive gun laws. Another 1,400 excess deaths occurred in states that made their laws more permissive but were not in the most extreme group.
Meanwhile, four states — California, New York, Maryland, and Rhode Island, all of which had strict laws — saw significant drops in pediatric gun deaths.
Parkland school shooting 7 years later: Remembering the 17 victims
“States that made it easier to obtain and carry a firearm had a tradeoff for that, which was a higher rate of mortality in kids,” Faust said.
Researchers analyzed more than two decades of data, comparing trends in gun-related deaths before and after the legal shift. They adjusted for background trends and compared gun deaths to other causes like motor vehicle accidents, overdoses, and cancer.
quote——————–BTW – the government doesn’t need registration to confiscate guns (although it does make it easier) and they have already done it. Confiscating firearms from Japanese-Americans during internment and from New Orleans residents during Katrina are just two examples that come to mind.————–quote
Nice try on attempting to distort the facts and that was “no law” was passed and their actions were very quickly deemed to be “illegal” on both State and Federal Levels with some States then passing new laws which now prevent that sort of thing from being repeated.
Police department spokesman Bob Young said it has stored 552 guns that were confiscated after Katrina, through Dec. 31, 2005. Police have said they only took guns that were stolen or found in abandoned homes.
“The Government” didn’t confiscate firearms. A small number of overzealous officials, officers and military took actions beyond their authority. Some of these included forcing people from their homes (the government has no authority to mandate that you leave your home, even if your life is in imminent danger), and a few instances of firearms confiscation. For the record, as soon as word of these events reached the State Emergency Center the authorities and leaders there issued an immediate ‘cease and desist’ order for all law enforcement, to stop the confiscations.
quote———————He can’t even get something as simple as the date of the National Firearms Act correct – it was 1934, not 1933.————quote
So what is your amazing point that I missed it by 1 year. Grow up and act like an Adult.
Lax gun laws in Southern States have resulted (according to the FBI) in an “iron highway” of second hand unvetted guns that are sold in Northern Cities on the street that have tough guns which are rendered completely useless because of this illegal second hand gun traffic.
You got in over your head with me Genius boy NH marine. Try again you failed.
So, what bullshit liberal arts college do you owe a ridiculous amount of money? Are you getting paid per post from blah blah gun control group? Cause you seem to really like to engage with the Patriots of this site, only to disagree and try to change hearts and minds. Well… I say until you can get your party to be able to define what a woman is, and the difference between a resident of this country and a citizen of this country, maybe you should keep your ridiculous opinions in your lil friend group chat instead of a place of independent thinkers.
Guys like you make me laugh. You know little if anything about the subjects at hand that you scream about from the rooftops. I would not doubt you do not even know the difference between Transgender and Transexual or that they even do exist.
You are so ignorant you are not even aware that people like you represent only 3% of gun owners. In fact the majority of gun owners do not even hang out on firearms websites.
quote——————- I say until you can get your party to be able to define what a woman is, and the difference between a resident of this country and a citizen of this country,———–quote
Thanks for revealing your Jackbooted Racism. We of the Left do indeed know the difference and the other difference is that we of the Left do not hate or fear these people. If you had not flunked History Clases you would have been aware of the Historical fact that Immigrants and Refugees built this country and made it prosper, and were the “real people” who made it great, not ignorant, rabid stormtrooper, Racist Hilljacks like yourself. Go peddle your racist hate elsewhere because the American People are watching what Herr Drumpf and his Stormtroopers are doing to American Citizens in Minneapolis. Nazi’s screaming “Papers Please” and arresting American Citizens because they are not “Legally White” will not be tolerated here in America despite the Far Rights wish to emulate Hitler and his crowd of Nazi’s. The Midterms are coming shortly and it will be a political disaster for the out of control Republicans this time around.
Recent studies show the majority of voters are not Republicans or even Democrats, they are Independents and they hate Herr Drumpf and his Jackboots with a passion. Considering that all of the Minorities, Democrats, and Independents just cannot wait for the Midterms I am going to be throwing parties on Election day. Looking forward to the political massacre. Please leave with Herr Drumpf for Putin’s Russia because they have the type of country you would like i.e. a Dictatorship.
As far as gender is concerned it’s obvious you flunked Biology Classes as well as Sociology and Psychology classes. Stay out of subjects you know zero about. You only reveal your ignorance of them by your Far Right Brainwashed Statements you mouth.
And by the way Genius Boy did you know that the two biggest anti-gun bills ever passed into law was by Republicans, Reagan’s Ban on Machine guns and Bush”s ban on Assault rifles.
I must ask – do you work for the NFL as a field maintenance person because you are really good at moving goalposts. After reading your response, I found myself facing the same question that Bill Clinton did when he was alone in a room full of young, female, White House interns – where do I begin? I know you are a little slow on the data uptake and processing, so I will type this slowly. Please do try to keep up and feel free to take notes.
“Tough gun laws like Registration or mandatory transfers through an F.F.L with sever (sic) penalties would indeed reduce your 25% figure.”
Firstly, it is not my figure – the study is from the Dept of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. Secondly, what counts as a “transfer” under your scheme? If I loan my friend or family member a firearm for a hunting trip, is that a transfer? Hand it someone at the range to try? Give a firearm as a gift to my son? Trade one of my guns to a friend or family member for another gun (end result – we each still have a gun – just not the one we started with)? BTW – There are already severe penalties for knowingly transferring a firearm to someone who is a prohibited person. Under federal law (specifically 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)), it is illegal to sell or otherwise dispose of a firearm to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that the recipient is a convicted felon. Penalties for violating this federal law can include:
– Imprisonment for up to 10 or 15 years
– Fines of up to $250,000
And despite that, there are still street/black market sales. If these penalties aren’t “severe” what would make them “severe”? And your assertion that this category would be reduced by registration and mandatory FFL transfers is lacking evidence. Talk about “hand waving”. I know this may come as a shock to you, but criminals do not go through background checks or adhere to registration requirements. Because of this truism, we are left with the law-abiding following the laws. So how exactly would it reduce gun crime?
“So now “by your own figures” we have 25% plus 43% equals 68% decrease in illegal guns used in crimes. Of course you will just ignore this with the simple wave of the hand.”
Response – They do nothing of the sort and you have provided zero evidence that it would. You are merely assuming that your proposal would reduce both categories to zero. Impossible – both realistically and statistically.
As far as juvenile gun deaths vis-a-vis firearm storage laws, let’s recap.
– GunsAmerica had an article about a new California law requiring strict gun storage requirements with stiffer penalties for non-compliance.
– You commented “over 1,400 children are killed every year because of irresponsible hillbilly parents who have less education than a 5th grader”.
Your implication was clear – over 1,400 children die each year due the irresponsibility of their parents, specifically because the parents did not properly secure their firearms and those children obtained access to said firearms, resulting in their death or the death of another child – yet provided ZERO EVIDENCE to support that assertion.
Children can die from firearms in three ways – accidentally, by suicide, and either by being the victim of, or participant in, a criminal act. When most people hear of the death of a child due to improper firearm storage, they envision circumstances involving an “unintentional or accidental deaths” (which is why I cited a study that documented an average of 70 unintentional child deaths a year due to firearms).
Does lack of access to a firearm mean that someone with suicidal intent would no longer be able to commit that act because they lacked access to a firearm?
And as far as juvenile deaths from criminal acts, how many of those deaths were directly attributable to improper firearm storage?
– You then cited a study which examined gun deaths among children 0-17 pre- and post-MacDonald v. Chicago – a case that dealt with handgun bans and having nothing to do with gun storage laws. The authors of the study admitted in their conclusion that they didn’t know what laws had what effect-positive or negative. From the study conclusion – “States in the most permissive and permissive firearm law categories experienced greater pediatric firearm mortality during the post–McDonald v Chicago era. Future work should focus on determining which types of laws conferred the most harm and which offered the most protection.”
Correlation is not causation. They just lumped gun laws into two categories – pre- and post-MacDonald. Did they account for what the laws actually covered? Was the law a completely new law or an update of an existing law? If an update, how did the new law differ from the previous law? When did the law take effect? Was it in effect before MacDonald and was it passed a year or two before the study was done? What is the prosecution and conviction rate for each law (what good are laws that aren’t enforced)? These are just a few off the top of my head. What other possible factors did they not account or control for in their study? Let’s take a look, shall we?
A 2022 Johns Hopkins study found:
– Firearms accounted for nearly a third of all deaths among 15- to 17-year-olds.
– From 2013 to 2022, the rates of gun suicide among Black youth ages 10 to 17 tripled and, for Hispanic youth ages 10 to 17, more than doubled.
– Black male teens and young adults (ages 15 to 34) accounted for 34 percent of all gun homicides during 2022, though they represented just 2 percent of the total U.S. population. The gun homicide rate for this group was 24 TIMES HIGHER (emphasis added) than that for white males in this age group.
– Over half—55 percent—of deaths among Black older teens ages 15 to 17 in 2022 were caused by guns.
– In 2022, the gun homicide rate among Black female teens and young adults ages 15–34 was nine times higher than that of their white female counterparts.
– Across all age groups, American Indian/Alaskan Natives were five times more likely to die by gun homicide than their white counterparts.
Seems to me that things like race, ethnicity, urbanicity, etc. have a far greater impact on juvenile firearm death rates than gun storage laws. Why the disparities, especially among races?
What about the influence of social media since 2010? Lack of two parent families? Culture? Prevalence of and participation in gang activity? Did the study you cited account for any of these things? Do you believe that these factors play no role?
“Grow up and act like an Adult.” Probably one of the most hypocritical self-owns I have seen in a long time. From your posts:
– Paranoid Far Right Nut Cases
– irresponsible hillbilly parents who have less education than a 5th grader or are suffering from advanced full blown paranoia
– the insanity of the Far Right Paranoids
– Neanderthal Robber (BTW – people are robbed, dwellings and businesses are burglarized)
– the lunatic rantings of the paranoid Far Right are just their insane howling from the rooftops by the light of the full moon
– You really fell head first into the outhouse on those two statements
Very adult-like.
quote———–I found myself facing the same question that Bill Clinton ————–quote
Deflection and dirty politics. Your statement has zero to do with the subject at hand. Nice try but it failed big time. And if you want to throw mud at politicians how about Trump and Epstein? Even your dear Far Right Maga Fanatics are pissed at Trump and his Lackeys redacting the most incriminated evidence in the Epstein files. Again the more you try the deeper you fall into the outhouse head first. Face up to it you are out of your league.
quote———————Does lack of access to a firearm mean that someone with suicidal intent would no longer be able to commit that act because they lacked access to a firearm?————quote
You never read my original post and that is that First Responders have stated not once but many times that they often save people who tried to commit suicide by many means but “never” can save a person who blew his brains out. The firearm makes suicide 100% certain and makes it all too easy and too quick. Implying that we should do nothing about firearms suicide is really about as low as one could get.
quote————————Firstly, it is not my figure – the study is from the Dept of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. Secondly, what counts as a “transfer” under your scheme? If I loan my friend or family member a firearm for a hunting trip, is that a transfer? Hand it someone at the range to try? Give a firearm as a gift to my son? Trade one of my guns to a friend or family member for another gun (end result – we each still have a gun – just not the one we started with)? BTW –
All of the above would be classed as a transfer and all subject to transfer paperwork. All civilized nations do this. As a matter of fact many of the mass murders were done when a family member gave a gun or allowed access to a gun and the family member because of mental problems would never have been permitted to buy or possess a weapon under a Registration law or a mandatory transfer law.
quote——————There are already severe penalties for knowingly transferring a firearm to someone who is a prohibited person. Under federal law (specifically 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)), it is illegal to sell or otherwise dispose of a firearm to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that the recipient is a convicted felon. Penalties for violating this federal law can include:
– Imprisonment for up to 10 or 15 years
– Fines of up to $250,000————-quote
You really fell head first into this one. That is the problem that when second hand guns are sold “the buyer often knows nothing” about the person his is selling his gun too and not subject to any prosecution which is precisely why we need a thorough background check for every transfer of a firearm through a licensed dealer. If the seller sells a gun without going through a dealer then “he should be prosecuted and imprisoned”. If you think for one nano second that this law would not dry up millions of gun sales to strangers which often are criminals you live in an alternate universe.
quote—————–And despite that, there are still street/black market sales. If these penalties aren’t “severe” what would make them “severe”? And your assertion that this category would be reduced by registration and mandatory FFL transfers is lacking evidence. Talk about “hand waving”. I know this may come as a shock to you, but criminals do not go through background checks or adhere to registration requirements. Because of this truism, we are left with the law-abiding following the laws. So how exactly would it reduce gun crime?———–quote
If you did read “all” of my post than you understood none of it. Once more and pay attention this time. Criminals get guns without paperwork because second hand guns change hands many times with no paperwork. In 2 chicago studies the average crime gun was 13 years old and had been through many hands and the guns in question eventually were sold to criminals. Registration or even the requirement of having to transfer through an F.F.L. dealer would vet the purchase and stop criminals from purchasing these guns. The Brady Bill stopped over 2 million “new gun” sales to criminals but “no” private second hand sales and that is the big problem. None of this is rocket science.
And your last long, long rant about minorities is full of racism because you are implying “Who cares about those deaths because it was minorities and their lives don’t count anyway. Do you even realize what you were inferring???????
quote——————–What about the influence of social media since 2010? Lack of two parent families? Culture? Prevalence of and participation in gang activity? Did the study you cited account for any of these things? Do you believe that these factors play no role?————-quote
I never said it did not play a role but you ignore how they got these guns in the first place. I came up with provable Historically successful gun laws while you just rung your hands and imply we should do nothing about it as it might inconvenience law abiding gun owners if they had to do paperwork to make sure people who should not have guns do not get them. Again none of this is rocket science and your way has not worked that is rather obvious when we have 46,000 deaths a year which year after year usually involve 1,400 children and also all the school massacres.
Here are just a few examples which prove gun laws do indeed work. At the London Bridge incident when terrorists failed to run people down they then took knives (because they were denied even shotguns under British gun laws) they attacked people in a Pub. The people in the Pub beat the heck out of the terrorists with chairs and broken beer bottles. In the U.S. to give just a few examples people were slaughtered like flies, 50 at the Orlando Night Club and 433 at Las Vegas.
In Japan and in China Nut 2 different nut cases tried to commit school murders with a knife. All the Children survived at both schools. In the U.S. they are slaughtered in rivers of blood and carnage.
quote—————-“So now “by your own figures” we have 25% plus 43% equals 68% decrease in illegal guns used in crimes. Of course you will just ignore this with the simple wave of the hand.”———-quote
And quote———-
quote—————–Response – They do nothing of the sort and you have provided zero evidence that it would. You are merely assuming that your proposal would reduce both categories to zero. Impossible – both realistically and statistically.———–quote
Once again I quoted your own post and added up your posted figures. You dodged the obvious truth and simply said “Now I do not believe my own posted information”. If the figures are true and accurate in the first instance to say they now mean nothing in the second instance just because you choose to now ignore them makes no sense at all.
Let’s be honest here your lame excuses in regards to better gun laws and firearms deaths and your attempt at promoting zero gun control stem from the inability to think clearly, critically, and logically which stem from advanced paranoia both in terms of believing all gun control laws are designed to confiscate firearms and that there is a Boogie man on every corner and perhaps under your bed at night as well as a belief that every legal and illegal Immigrant is an existential threat to the Far Right and White Power.
Get used to History. In time the populations of all countries change. I could refer to the American Indian losing his land or the German Immigrants who became more numerous than the English which panicked Benjamin Franklin or the influx of the Irish Immigrants that panicked the German American people. Now the Far Right White Population is in a panic because of the increase in the population of people not “legally white”. The Far Right despite there archaic rhetoric against the Government are really “arming up” against the non-white Americans. That is the real reason for their panic over any and all gun control laws.
And I forgot to mention New York’s Sullivan law from long ago in the early 1900’s. It was passed by the Far Right Racists over a panic about East European Immigrants which were flooding the city. Wasn’t that a switch for the Far Right actually passing a gun law. I would not doubt that if I wanted to I could convince today’s Far Right to try and pass a gun law that only permitted Whites to own firearms. I am not being facetious in the least. I am sure you would volunteer as head of the committee.
It looks like you’re really on a “mission” Dacian, I would be surprised you’re writing all I read from you without being paid for it, or at least without being a part of your “life-earning job”. I don’t know where you’re from, neither what you’ve really been through in your life, but the way you write and think make me believe you should leave a bit the “virtual life” on a computer or in some kind of meetings, while being a bit more involved in practical and “down to earth” experiences. The way you express yourself tells me you’re not lacking on the intelligence department, but a bit more involvement in real life experiences would better balance your opinions. Slow down your excessive “screaming” and debating, maybe after that we will be able to exchange intelligently.
I think 77 years of experience (62 years of them with firearms) make me “more” than qualified to debate you or anyone else on the subject of both guns and gun laws. Care to debate me? I am waiting.
I have always found it utterly unbelievable that the Far Right actually think that they are the “majority of gun owners” when in reality they usually are only about 3% of gun owners that have extremist views. The majority of gun owners know very well we have a very serious gun problem in the U.S. and they know that the only way to change things are with sound, sensible laws, of which “are not designed to confiscate guns from anyone”, rather they are designed to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics, criminals, and Far Right Revolutionaries that last January 6th tried to establish a one party system under Herr Drumpf. None of these Nut Cases represented the majority of law abiding gun owners.
Simply wishing the gun problem will go away will not solve it or make it go away and the Far Rights solutions are no solutions at all because jailing people after they have wiped out large groups of innocent people has not resulted in fixing the problem. The tough gun laws of civilized nations have worked far better than our complete lack of such proven sensible gun laws. History is on my side.
An by the way I probably own more guns than you will ever even dream of owning but I am not blind to children being slaughtered every week or even every day in our Schools or the 44,000 gun deaths a year of which 1,400 each year that are children.
Failure to act will only result in the self fulfilling prophecy and that is that whenever a sensational mass murder occurs, such as when Texas and Ohio had them only hours apart resulted in the “Republicans” under Mitch McConnell coming within a hair’s’ breath of banning a lot of weapons. Think about that one awhile.
Oh, so youre a boomer… probably a San Francisco elite! Am I getting warmer? If you are in fact 77, good… you won’t be around too much longer. Just cause youre old doesn’t mean youre smart. Go clean your dentures and take a walk to the beach. Call your kids and tell them youre sorry. California will undergo a change, and the days of democratic dominance are coming to an end. Just cause they magically passed prop 50 thru (and in record time by Californian election standards) doesn’t mean anything. Greasy Gavin’s on his way out. And all you old boomers dems will all be dead in the next decade. The next generation is much more conservative. Its coming…
We will have the last laugh in the soon to be Midterms. It will be a political massacre for the Jackbooted Republican Stormtroopers brainwashed by Herr Drumpf who will become a Lame Duck President. When you rape people of their Health Care Benefits and try and turn American into a Police State with ICE taking the place of the Gestapo of Nazi Germany you crossed the line and the majority of American voters know it, even now a lot of the Conservatives such as the Far Right
Radical Joe Rogan, now you know the situation is serious.
Yesterday Greenland gave Herr Drumpf and his Sycophants like Ruby Red Butt the finger as well as landing Danish Troops and sending Danish Warships to Greenland. They more or less said “Molon Labe” Mother fkr and Herr Drumpf , his pie hole gaping blinked. I loved every minute of it. David took no shit from Goliath.
And by the way for your info all my ancestors lived well into their mid 90’s so Socialists like me will be voting Socialist for a long time to come and we real Americans are so fed up with the Republicans it will be decades before they ever again get a chance to enslave America and try and destroy our Constitutional Rights or turn American into a Dictatorship.
“Damned Herr Drumpfs Racist Torpedo’s full speed ahead”