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Shotguns have strengths that no other platform can rival. With the right ammunition, they can land shots at 100 yards, or bring down flying game. In the home defense arena, shotguns can be a formidable tool for a homeowner against a criminal. However, shotguns have always suffered one common weakness: Capacity. Although substantial when measured by either weight or diameter, the amount of ammunition that can be loaded into the gun is limited. Not even the best reloading technique can bring the shotgun’s staying power to the level of a detachable box magazine-fed weapon. Right? Wrong. SRM Arms has stepped up to the plate to take a swing at solving the capacity and reloading problems inherent in a 12-gauge shotgun with its semi-automatic Model 1216.
Rails on three sides above the magazine and barrel serve as a heat shroud as well as a mounting point for accessories.
SPECS
- Chambering: 12 ga., 3 inch
- Barrel: 18 inches
- OA Length: 32 inches
- Weight: 7.25 pounds
- Stock: Polymer
- Sights: None
- Action: Semi-auto
- Finish: Matte black
- Capacity: 16
- MSRP: $1,799.95 (priced on GunsAmerica.com around $1,500)
Unboxing the 1216
I wish that I could say that my thoughts were something more profound than “wow they got a lot of gun in a small box” when I opened up the 1216. I could quickly see that their approach to a shotgun that would hold 16 rounds of ammunition was unique. I at first questioned the execution but was excited to see someone pushing the design envelope in a genuinely innovative way, rather than putting sprinkles on the newest trend. The box contained the shotgun with one rotary magazine attached and a second rotary magazine sealed in a plastic wrapper. When I picked the gun up I was actually surprised at how light the package was. I was expecting something topping the scales at over 10 pounds, as most of these types of shotguns tend to be heavyweights even before being loaded with larger quantities of ammunition. It, in fact, weighs in at a mere 7.25 pounds.
The SRM Arms Model 1216 packs in a lot of firepower into a reasonably compact package. The semi-auto shotgun holds 16 shells of 12 gauge ammo.
A Unique Approach
This gun was clearly designed from the ground up to be what it is. By that, I mean that this is not just another basic gun with a good idea bolted onto it. Oftentimes we find these new innovative features duct-taped onto last year’s hardware, and the resulting project resembles some kind of Frankenstein’s Gun. Not the case here; all the parts look like they belong.
The design is ergonomic and compact especially, considering that it features a detachable magazine with a 16-round capacity. While this gun is technically a “bullpup” design, at first blush it appears to be a hybrid kind of quasi-bullpup design. This is somewhat of an illusion as the one-piece stock also serves as a shroud to conceal the hammer and recoil springing mechanism. I believe that the pistol grip is mounted a little further forward than on most bullpup designs to facilitate recoil control.
The shooter’s support hand here is located far forward ready to engage the dual levers (forward of his thumb) that allow the revolving magazine to be rotated.
The semi-auto action of the gun feeds in a unique way: With a rotary magazine. The rotary magazine features four, four-round tubes. The action locks open when empty on one tube, then you press down on the ambidextrous release button at the front of the tube to allow you to then rotate to the next tube (either clockwise or counterclockwise; your choice), which automatically releases the bolt to feed the next shell from the fresh tube into the 3-inch chamber. As a result, you can quickly fire all 16 rounds from the shotgun.
How Does It Work?
The bolt features a roller-locked locking mechanism reminiscent of an HK design.
The action features a roller-delayed fast-cycling bolt that (I believe) works to reduce the felt recoil significantly. Okay, for all you gun geeks, the 1216 borrows the roller delay locking system from the HK design; and now for the normal people in the audience, this is a recoil-operated shotgun. The Model 1216 shotgun is held together with pushpins again clearly inspired by an HK, allowing easy access to the internals of the shotgun.
The 1216’s bullpup design allows the standard 18-inch barrel to fit in a platform that is only 32.5 inches in overall length. SRM Arms has avoided the horrendous triggers found in almost all of the bullpup-designed firearms; this one breaks at just over 6½ pounds. They accomplished this through a very unique design that resembles the hammer and bolt arrangement on an AR-15. The hammer is mounted in the center and comes up behind the bolt. This keeps the hammer closer to the trigger than a more “traditional” bullpup thereby eliminating the need for a long trigger linkage bar. The bolt impacts an upside down U-shaped buffer mated to the dual recoil springs below it. The sear actually sets behind the hammer as it does in an AR-15.
The shotgun features a reversible ejection port system to allow left-handed shooters to also use the 1216.
One drawback to the bullpup design is that it can sometimes leave left-handed shooters at a major disadvantage. The folks at SRM have mercifully resolved this, and made this a fully ambidextrous gun: The selector switch, bolt, charging handle, bolt release and ejection port can be moved to either side. I will acknowledge that the gun can be fired left-handed without changing the parts over. Your cheek weld is far enough back on the gun it does pelt the shooter with spent casings. However, it is a bit unnerving as you are quite close to the ejection port. It is probably best just to swap things over it needed.
Loading the magazine is accomplished fairly simply by removing the magazine by pressing a release button on the forward face ahead of the magazine tubes and pulling down the cylindrical magazine assembly from the front, out and away from the body of the shotgun. Simply insert rounds into the rear of each tube using your thumb to seat them behind the metal hook that keeps the rounds in the magazine tubes.
One issue that must be understood with this platform is that to load the chamber and bring the total round count up to 16+1, it requires that the magazine be inserted and then a round chambered. You may then safely remove the magazine and replace the round in the tube that is now chambered in the gun.
Also, unlike other more conventional shotguns, there is no “topping off” of the magazine tube(s) while it is in place on the gun. Think of it like a pistol or rifle detachable box magazine: Once you have fired a few rounds, if you want to add ammunition you have to change magazines (my sample came with two) or remove the magazine and refill before inserting again. There is no port or opening for single-feeding rounds into a tube (like with a tubular-magazine shotgun) while you are running the gun. Basically, you give up the ability to stoke up the gun while firing in exchange for having 16+1 rounds onboard.
This forward mounted release button is designed to release the magazine for reloading.
Rotating the magazine is accomplished by engaging either of the dual levers forward of the magazine tubes located to rear of the railed front sight block assembly/magazine release button housing. Once the release lever has been activated, the magazine can be rotated in either direction based on shooter preference or need.
The gun is made from high-quality materials. The barrel is hammer forged, and all of the accessory rails are metal on the receiver. The forward rails that act as a shroud for the barrel are the same polymer that the buttstock and pistol grip are made from. I am not sure the exact composite of the materials but it appears to be some type of glass fiber reinforced polymer. I have no concerns that this would be anything other than durable.
The sample that I received had no sights or optics attached, but it featured more than enough Picatinny rails, integrated into three sides of the handguard, for one to attach all manner of optics, sights, lights or another tactical must-haves.
You Can’t Have It Both Ways
The 18-inch barrel is threaded and comes with a thread cover cap.
A very long time ago, I was taking a course from Mas Ayoob while he was in the process of testing a completely new pistol design. He quite generously handed the pistol around and gave everyone in the class a chance to shoot it. I’m still not quite sure whether we broke it or just exposed a malfunction. Either way, I railed hard against the pistol. After patiently sitting through my complaints, he asked me “How long do you think it took to de-bug the 1911 you’re carrying right now?” This experience sticks in my mind as a demonstration of the fact that most innovative ideas do not spring from the ground fully formed, and this does not make them bad ideas.
Whenever I get a gun to test, I always try to put it in the hands of multiple shooters. This helps me to garner as much information as I can and has the bonus of allowing me to share the wealth of shooting a new gun. I have observed that the shooting community wants, above all things, absolute perfection at rock bottom prices … and then laments that everything looks the same.
New designs in early stages of execution have oftentimes not been exposed to every potential circumstance or risk. Nor can manufacturers be expected to foresee every development, good or bad, in ammunition. I’m not trying to be an apologist here—I’m just saying that we need to stop eating our own if we want any new platforms to grow!
A Plan – Testing Methodology
A generous rubber buttpad helps soak up recoil.
I decided on a few key points about this shotgun that my testing should drive to define. First, reliability; what ammunition, if any, will this gun reliably function with? Second, manual of arms; is this gun easily usable in the hands of a novice shooter with a small amount of instruction? Third, shootability; can this gun be deployed in a fight, accurately fired, and will it beat the user to death? Finally, durability; will this gun stand the test of time, or will it shoot itself to pieces? What kind of maintenance will it require in its lifetime?
In an attempt to answer these four questions, I have assembled a gaggle of new shooters who are going through their very first shotgun qualification. I have also piled together all manner of loads, ranging from light trap to the most robust 3-inch magnum slugs that I could find. The SRM 1216 would get the gauntlet treatment.
At the Range
The author found that the 1216 preferred heavier loads to ensure its proper functioning.
As I mentioned above, I went to the range to teach 14 people a basic familiarization and qualification with the Remington 870 shotgun. Once the initial teaching and qualification was out of the way, I brought out the SRM Arms Model 1216. I took about five minutes to provide a familiarization with how the gun functioned, loading the magazines, and inserting and rotating the magazines. I then let the students load their own magazines with the ammunition of their choice and have at it while I observed.
Five of the class members volunteered to take a turn on the 1216 shotgun. I went over the controls, loading the magazine and how to operate the magazine when necessary to rotate to the next position. I had two magazines and I requested that each tube be loaded with the same type of ammunition so that we could identify any issues without that extra variable.
The most common mistake among the shooters was rotating the magazine first one way and then the other—this resulted in rotating to an empty tube and not feeding more ammunition. This was usually a one-time affair and became relatively self-correcting.
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All of the shooters liked that the bolt locked open on an empty chamber and closed when the magazine was rotated and a round had been fed automatically onto the feed ramp. The mechanics are simple: when the gun runs dry, you rotate the magazine and pull trigger. Simplicity is golden when it works.
Another fairly common observation was how soft-shooting the gun was. I attribute this to the thick rubber buttpad and the recoil-absorbing tendency of the polymers used in the body of the gun.
There is one quirk that became apparent early on: for this gun to reliably function it needs a heavy load, somewhere north of 1 1/8 oz. Almost anything less than that will result in the action failing to fully cycle. I think this is a byproduct of the delayed roller action that they have chosen to use. Once this problem was figured out, the gun ran with absolute reliability.
Did It Meet Expectations?
Somewhat similar to a revolver, the rear of the magazine features notches to facilitate rotation and locking.
Overall, this gun met or exceeded all of my expectations. Once the code was cracked on ammunition selection, reliability was no longer a question. The manual of arms seemed to become a non-issue after about 50 to 60 rounds were run through the gun. This gun is so unique among shotguns that I feel one would have to commit to the platform exclusively if they intended to employ it as their shotgun for serious purposes—and I could see myself putting that time in. In terms of being able to bring this gun to a fight, there is no question; this is one angry beast when it is fully unleashed. The compact package is easy to store and quick to deploy, both with and without a sling. You have the ability to instantly mount sights, optics and lights that will allow you to bring the heat in almost any conditions. In terms of durability and maintenance, I got no hint that this gun was sensitive to either one of these issues- and we quite literally ran it until no one wanted to shoot my ammunition anymore!
Once released, the rotary magazine is pulled down and away from the front to release it from the firearm for reloading.
This basic platform could allow you to choose different kinds of ammunition in each magazine such as slugs in one tube of the magazine with buckshot in another magazine. However, I don’t know that I would ever recommend depending on knowing which tube was loaded with what round then being able to select them under stress.
The folks at SRM have taken this platform to all of the must have variations. They have a less lethal kit that with a quick change of the bolt is capable of firing beanbag rounds. They have developed short barrel versions with a choice of 8- or 12-inch barrels and matching magazines. Oh, they also have a select-fire, closed-bolt version that I would be more than willing to test and evaluate! They even offer a California compliant version that uses a magazine lock release that requires a tool to remove and attach the magazine. Unlike the aftermarket “magazine locking device,” the SRM California compliant 1216 magazine lock is manufactured as a part of the shotgun. It is not an aftermarket system. Because each tube only holds four rounds and then requires a manual rotation it does not exceed the 10 round restriction.
Is It Worth It?
Over the years, I have looked at every specialty shotgun made, and I have always rejected the Street Sweepers, SPAS 12s, and too many others to mention. I never felt like they represented a usable and durable package. With a retail price of just under $1,500 on GunsAmerica.com, this may be your ticket if you are looking to be able to bring large amounts of firepower to the fight.
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i know the srm 1216 is chambered for 3″ my question is do they make a 2 3/4″ model or can you shoot 2 3/4″ in the 3″ model or is 2 3/4″ round out the window?
Most of these comments are born of ignorance and people that have never shot or handled a SRM 1216. Don’t like it, can’t afford it don’t buy it. it’s that simple. I bought one and I love it. The revolving magazine is every bit as revolutionary as ruger’s rotary magazine or the 10/22. If you get the chance, try it out before knocking it!
Why spend the extra money when a DP 12 has the same capacity for about $100.00 to $200.00 less ??
At just under 10 lbs empty, the DP12 is heavier than some boat anchors.
I think it’s great. Unless I missed it, what is it’s range?
I would say the effective range is about 30 yards unless you’re firing slugs! I would have to read my owner’s manual but I believe it’s a straight bore with no available chokes.
did i hear you correctly that this gun comes with 8 or 12 inch barrel. just not sure i heard correctly
Yes shorter barrels are available with less round capacity. Keep in mind you will need a tax stamp! You can see available models on SRM website.
Seems like the first innovative shot gun in a long time.
Sorry, doggone voice to text. Should be Bullpup not bullpen
It’s not a bullpen, apparently, since the trigger group does not seem to be in front of the chamber. So, any operating comparisons to a bullpup are null since there is no long transfer bar needed to fire the weapon.
Interesting design.
And it is not a bullpup. They have the breech way to the rear, next to your cheek.
This design is better since you avoid the transfer bar as mentioned above. They usually provide a worse trigger pull and are prone to discharge if dropped on the butt. All the weight of the extra linkage is usually enough to ‘pull’ the trigger.
Will be interesting to see if it avoids the problems of other HiCap shotguns.
Gary
I am a layman about guns and I live in a country where I cannot buy any gun at all. Anyway, when I see the very good videos of Jon Hodoway I always think about if the guns he shows are good enough for actual combat because that is what guns are all, or let’s say most, about in my point of view. And this would be my personal number 1 priority if I could buy a gun.
So, although this shotgun looks kind of unique, I wonder if the gun will really save your life, if you meet someone that wields one of these South Korean USAS-12 shotguns. I tried to find one on Gunsamerica, but right now there are just some magazines on sale. The round magazine has a capacity of 20 rounds, while the standard magazine has 10 rounds. So, although you have 16 rounds in the SRM 1216, I think you have no chance, if you need to turn the magazine after 4 shots, while the enemy with his USAS keeps pumping the shells into you. I only was able to “shoot” this thing in the video game Far Cry 2, but if this is just half as realistic, well, I don’t think you won’t stand a chance with the SRM 1216. I’ve counted the seconds at the beginning of the video. The man that shoots the gun needed around 2.5-3 seconds to turn the magazine, before he was able to shoot 4 more rounds. And it was also interesting to see in the end of the video, how the bullets made trouble of getting out of the gun. So if you would shoot like this and your enemy has a good old pump-action…, well, you can guess what would happen then.
Would I buy one of these myself, if I could have the chance? I personally don’t think so, not even for self-defense. For hunting? Well, I am neither into hunting but from what I know if you miss with your first shot, the deer won’t give you any chance of placing a second one just after the first. At least this is what I “learned” while playing the Deer Hunter series on computer. So, I guess this is nothing more than a fun gun for the range, which is fully okay to me, if someone wants to buy it for pure fun on the range. But I personally would stick to a USAS-12 or even Spas-12, at least for self-defense close quarters combat. But again, this is my pure layman opinion and I do not expect someone to acknowledge with me.
Laymans know little of combat. Thus, their actions in combat will reflect their lack of knowledge and training.
As a good woman will tell you: Your bang-stick is only as good as your ability to use it”
Same will go in a combat scenario… since that’s the class you automatically assess every weapon, let us adhere to the worst case scenario.
One man army. This involves being severely outnumbered, outgunned and (historically) under equipped.
If your combat scenario lacks tactical planning, lightening reflexes and infallible instinct – it wouldn’t matter if you’re weapon were a 1776 black powder musket – the main objective will be completed and you will survive either way.
If not, then you really have a very unlikely chance that you will ever encounter more than a tavern of half pished pirates… which in such improbably happenstance – a 12 shot 1911 .45ACP found in your grandfathers’ basement would mop up nicely.
The first rule of combat is to be prepared. Second rule: Know your environment/terrain – because COVER is the life-saving element in a firefight. If a shotgun with 16 round capacity causes unease because there are larger magazines to compare against, then truly you’ve missed all basic training and have rushed into battle blindfolded.
If you were to enter a true war zone or engage an enemy armed with the SRM 1216 – the trick would not be to “out-gun” him with a similar weapon… your best strategy would be NOT to allow him to advance too close to your position.
This said, RANGE is your best option for most combat scenarios. If you don’t believe that, just watch any unit or platoon dive into cover as soon as someone scouts the word “Sniper!!”.
Ideally, the shotgun is designed for multiple applications, as what sets it apart from other weapons is VERSATILITY.
Being more native to close-range scenarios, it has become a world icon for home defense and point blank “back off” shots where one to three shots is MORE than plenty for the villain.
In battle-tech situations, most enemies are wearing some form of ballistic armor… and sadly for the shotgun, your last hope is a headshot or in some cases a crotch shot which disables the soldier below the armor and severs two main arteries toward a 90 second death. Otherwise, the velocity, penetration, accuracy are your most trusted allies. Which is why armed forces use steel core projectiles, and probably why we good Sam citizens are prohibited from possessing them. We can, however, own the same battle-proven calibers {EG: 7.62/.308/5.56/.223/245/300BO.. etc). Or we can slow our jets and focus on long range kills, which will ensure you’re not spiraling down a lost cause – and likely give you enough range space to bug the hell out or get to EVP without bullet holes and dog bites.
No offense implied, Mr. Layman. But you’ll have to start thinking like a realist if you wish to operate in a real life/death game of cowboys and Indians. Pun fully intended.
Steel core ammunition (M855 for example) IS legal for civilian use in the US. It’s just not permitted at most indoor ranges, as it’s a fire hazard if used with most conventional range bullet traps.
M855 ‘penetrator’ has a 62 grain bullet designed to penetrate light cover, or glass without significant deflection. (It does not meet the definition of ‘armor piercing’ ammunition.)
Mike e
Did you read the article or watch the video? Both mention how it is easily converted to a lefty model.
Unfortunately I live in the republik of New Jersey. You know if it comes without the threaded barrel ??? And how bout a lefty model ???
To all the people going on about “need” for having such and such type of weapons. You all need to remember “need’ has nothing to do with our Rights to own Firearms. Comments like that make you “the useful idiots” that the Antis’ like to hold up as examples for their Agendas’.
Try using the “needs ” arguement for your modes of transport (ie do you need a vehicle that can go over 12o mph.),sizes of your Homes( do you need a certain # of rooms in your house), and your Yearly Incomes(do you need to make more than $52k a year,) You will then see how wrong you sound.
While I understand what you are saying. “Needs” and your examples sounds like socialism/communism to me.
Yes the government does not need to decide what kind or how many guns I own. The government is not good at deciding what we need (just ask an American Indian). Do you want them telling you how much toilet paper you need for each visit to the potty?
Gary
This would make a good guide gun, here or Africa, with 16 Brenke Slugs. Poor Lion or whatever it comes across!
Must ask though, “Where is the forward grip?” This beast needs one.
Something we have definitely been thinking about is the forward grip. Perhaps in our 2.0 version we will have it nailed down.
I like it! Kel-Techs can’t be found, and those that have got one tell me they are a piece of junk. Who knows? I think I’d like this as a plus to my Saiga. I really doubt the drum mags are as reliable as this system. Drums fail too! I’m a sucker for anything cool anyway, and I’ve been watching this since it came out – just haven’t pulled the proverbial trigger yet.
Own a KSG bought new for about a hundy less than MSRP. Have you actually told your local gunshop that you want one and have the money? As far as being a piece of junk, it eats and fires whatever I put in it. Doesn’t care if it’s 13 3″ hot loads or 29 1 3/4″ Aguila minis, it just keeps on running. As far as I’m concerned, a shotgun that won’t fire low power rounds makes a very poor club when pickings get slim. Methinks a lot of negativity on Keltec is sour grapes from non-Keltec owners.
I like everything about the site with the exception of that loud, extremely annoying (IMHO), heavy-metal screeching opener.
Roscoe,
The intro is the best the channel has to offer. (IMHO) 😀
Oh boy, what a bunch of interesting comments. Mine are #1-innovation is the American way & it is good to see that it is not daad. #2-In the hands of someone that is comfortable with it he or she could be a one-person short range army. #3-You bet this is going to give the anti-gun crowd something to complain about but they complain about anything concerning guns. #4-As an old retired guy if I lived in a really bad neighborhood where the police did not respond as rapidly for what ever reason, Even for $1500 I would take the plunge and get one. #5-Being a gun nut, I would buy one just to play with if I was a wealthy man it is that unique. #6-Get something you really have been thinking about getting before the next six weeks go by. No matter who gets elected anything that fires a projectile will be probably be hard to get
You’ve got to do something about your music… ???
If you want a Baptist preacher I am not one. Ken Sawyer.Quit flooding my computer with the junk. I did not ask for it nor do I want it.Ken Sawyeer
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Everthing I send is awaiting moderation,do not send me anything, I did not ask for a coment ,you did.
Tired of trying to leave a comment,seems like trying to bust into a Baptist prayer meeting.We womder wy the feds and do gooders are always trying to put us out of business. I see no use for such a shotgun.
Do you also see no use for 30 round .300 Blackout or 5.46 x 45 magazines for the AR-15? The 2nd Amendment was put into so citizens could have weapons to resist tyrants and thugs. Hopefully we can just keep our arms at home, but if we need them they are there.
No one who has ever been in a gun fight doesn’t ever say they wish they had less ammunition.
Can you shoot shorts out of it? If you can shoot a 2″ or 1.5′ shell out of it then you now have a gun that can hold a lot more than 16 rounds… say maybe 36 rounds perhaps. I also see that you could have other loads ready to go so reloading time is dropping the empty out and loading the new Magazine as fast as flipping a lever. As long as the Mag hold up to being dropped on the ground, this would be a great feature. This is not for hunting deer guys, it is all personal defense and in the personal or self defense world, it seems to be about two things, speed of the bullet and capacity of the Mag. We could throw in the usual arguments such as round size aka 9mm vs 45 etc but those arguments are pointless and are more personal choices than anything else. So Capacity here is 16 or more depending on shot shell size, and the ability to change out the Mags with speed. Reminds me of the black powder revolvers that allow for changing out cylinders.
It’s a nice thought! It will only handle 2 3/4 and 3 inch.
Ok, just who is going to carry an extra magazine that large?
I can easily carry a bandolier with a lot more ammo in a smaller space than one of these 16 round magazines. Fail.
And the magazine can’t be topped off while in the gun. Fail.
Because of amunition cost, very few will practice with this if it won’t feed/eject 1-1/8 oz loads – or at least not practice enough. – Fail.
I find a bolt reciprocating towards my face unnerving – just my opinion.
It’s not really a “bull pup” design. Yes, the trigger and handguard are slightly more forward than an average shotgun.
What is the loaded weight?
No folding/collapsible stock, long, fat, clunky, heavy, and of course no one needs sights/beads on a shotgun because you just point it and you will destroy everything in it’s path for miles, right?
No thanks, I’ll stick to an 870/1100/Benelli/Browning/Beretta/etc. Keep this for the video games…..
Stick your Benelli/ Browning and Beretta! Those are good shotguns. I have an SRM 1216, and a vest that holds 4 extra magazines for a total of 5 magazines and 80 rounds I can unload On Target in less than 3 minutes! Try that with any other shotgun. It does cycle 1 in 1/8 oz loads reliably it just won’t cycle low brass light loads. I can get reliable ammunition from Walmart at about 12 dollars for a box of 25. I’m not putting the thing on a scale but I would guess the weight be somewhere around 10 lb fully loaded. Two options on sights a red or flip up sights or both. My only gripe is the cost of accessories! The breacher/flash hider runs $200 the extra mags also $200 each the only downside to what in my opinion is a brilliant design.
Ok, just who is going to carry an extra magazine that large?
I can easily carry a bandolier with a lot more ammo in a smaller space than one of these 16 round magazines. Fail.
And the magazine can’t be topped off while in the gun. Fail.
Because of amunition cost, very few will practice with this if it won’t feed/eject 1-1/8 oz loads – or at least not practice enough. – Fail.
I find a bolt reciprocating towards my face unnerving – just my opinion.
It’s not really a “bull pup” design. Yes, the trigger and handguard are slightly more forward than an average shotgun.
What is the loaded weight?
No folding/collapsible stock, long, fat, clunky, heavy, and of course no one needs sights/beads on a shotgun because you just point it and you will destroy everything in it’s path for miles, right?
No thanks, I’ll stick to an 870/1100/Benelli/Browning/Beretta/etc. Keep this for the video games…..
FAIL. Too front heavy
Front heavy… Haha perhaps if you started working out more with your non dominate “me” time hand
Your comment tells me you’ve never handled one.
Interesting. I would prefer a folding and non-captured operating/charging handle.
Todd.
I’ll stick with my proven Remington 870. It’s not fancy but it always gets the job done.
So what job have you ever done?
Tough guy.
What is the point of having one of these if you are not military or law enforcement? It’s these kinds of guns that give the gun haters “ammunition” to use against us in their propaganda.
Couldn’t agree more.
This is the reason for gun control and bans.
you speak like a gun hater.
More like emasculated.
The problem you are making is letting others control your perception of what ANY American citizen NEEDS or WANTS.
Military & Law enforcement are NOT the only ones who should have these if i WANT one i do not need to justify WHY.
When the anti gun clowns distract us with making us justify why we want a firearms they have won the argument because now we look defensive.
We do not need to defend WHY we want ANY firearm if it is legal to own it.
Copy that,James.
Exactly .
So, just because YOU don’t like a particular firearm nobody else should have one? What is the point of having a detachable magazine if you’re not military or LE, one shot is all you need, right? Or maybe a double barrel like Crazy Uncle Joe wants you to have so you can shoot into the air to scare away evil doers? “Gun owner” such as yourself deserve nothing but contempt. And I say this as a retired LE officer with 27+ years in uniform. I bet you just can’t wait to cast your ballot for Hillary in November!
Expensive boat anchor! When loaded it’ll tip over 10 lbs.
“Reminiscent of an HK design”. Poor Vorgrimler! I hope you don’t give credit to designs originated by Browning like that!!!
Vorgrimler is most attributed to the design of the the roller locked delayed blowback, and never worked for HK.
Im with the other comment on how would this compare to the KelTec KSG? Seems to me the KSG is easier to reload and has a simpler mechanism for choosing the barre and is lighter?
I seem to recall this gun running for around $2,500 when it was first revealed, why only $1,500 now? Also you the has a video of a guy who had one and he couldn’t get two shots off without a malfunction, you’re absolutely sure heavy loads will cycle the gun without issue?
And lastly, how does that revolving magazine fit? Is there any rattle or play while it’s attached to the gun?
I own one, bought it at first release for 2700.00 in 2013, I have fired it with 00buck only and have never had a malfunction, the magazine has a tight lockup without play or rattle. I still love the thing and have no regrets other than price
I own one, bought it at first release for 2700.00 in 2013, I have fired it with 00buck only and have never had a malfunction, the magazine has a tight lockup without play or rattle. I still love the thing and have no regrets other than price. I have also fired the ksg pump and prefer the SRM in terms of recoil, and reloading as the KSG has fixed tubes and the SRM magazines are removable
Primitive. Mags need to hold 7 each not 4, the revolving mags should not have to be physically cycled, not all that impressive when my Russian made Saiga 12 accepts 20 round magazines. Keep trying. Back to the drawing board
How is this different than the X-Rail system?
Did anyone else notice all the red marks on the shooters left arm? Is it coming from shells hitting his arm on ejection?
@Jeff, I can’t figure out if you are a troll who simply likes to ask dum bass questions or did they recently release you from isolation??? There’s a thing they do nowadays with ink on the body, I think it has been done for some time now, it’s called a tattoo. If you took time to concentrate on the video, you would have noticed that the shotgun ejects to the RIGHT —>?? That would be a real feat to hang a U-ie and hit the shooter on the left arm ……….
Ah, the joys of a Monday morning …..
How would this compare to the KelTec KSG? Seems to me the KSG is easier to reload and has a simpler mechanism for choosing the barrel.
Seems like the first innovative shot gun in a long time. I hope it proves reliable and affordable and doesn’t get banned before I can buy one. One minor criticism of the article, giving credit to H&K for the roller-lock. H&K of course borrow the roller-lock from the Sturmgewehr 45 that was developed by Mauser. Overall a well done article on a gun I hope hits the streets in quantity soon.
While I applaud this innovative design, I am highly concerned about the comment “I hope it hits the streets in quantity soon.” What we don’t need is a something like this in the hands of the gang bangers/drug runners of America. Yeah I know, price will prevent them from acquiring this weapon. Since when has that ever stopped criminals from getting the latest and greatest our arms manufacturers have to offer?
No, I don’t think that should be what the designers should consider before creating a new weapon, I just can’t think, other than law enforcement, what the need is for a shotgun that has a 16 shot capacity. But I guess I’m old fashioned.
I know, right? I\’ve been trying to get the Corvette banned, because anything capable of 150mph doesn\’t need to be in the hands of gang-bangers.
Joe- I think you’ve misinterpreted Ram6’s post. He didn’t even imply or hint that he’d like to see the firearm banned. He merely said he didn’t want to see it “hit the streets” and that he couldn’t envision anyone other than law enforcement having a NEED for a shotgun holding 16 rounds. That’s far different from wanting it banned. Personally, I can’t see any use for it other than just a “fun gun” but if anyone wants to pay $1500 plus for a “fun gun” that’s their business.
Just the ticket for an Argentinian dove hunt!
Not to shabby, probably the closest thing we’ll ever get to the AA-12. ….*sigh*
No thank you. I’ll stick with Standard Manuf.’s DP-12. It’s way cooler…
LOL!!! I LOVE IT!! This is like a gun used in Black Ops II video game. I thought it was a great idea….glad someone made it happen. Price point not too bad for that kind of a weapon. But still out of my range. Nice to dream though.