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Editor’s note (2/12/26): This conversation is being revisited in the light of recent events. Please weigh in with your thoughts below.
The Lakewood Church shooter identified as trans.
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 12, 2024
The Iowa high school shooter identified as a radical rainbow activist.
The Nashville shooter identified as trans.
The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.
The Denver shooter identified as trans.
The Aberdeen… pic.twitter.com/YkSMm6EjpK
A recent AmmunitionToGo survey at the 2024 National Rifle Association Annual Meetings in Dallas, Texas, stirred up a big question: Should transgenders have their firearms confiscated?
Nearly 1,000 attendees weighed in, offering a peek into the diverse opinions within the NRA’s crowd.
While the NRA claims to have five million members, some board members and reports suggest the number is closer to four million.
According to this pro-trans video, trans individuals “suffer from more depression and anxiety than the general public.”
With this figure in mind, the survey’s sample size of 986 gives it a margin of error of about 3%, according to the pollsters.
Results!
When it comes to firearm confiscation for people who’ve had gender reassignment surgery, fewer than 22% of NRA members think these individuals should lose their firearms. About 28% are still on the fence.
This means that approximately 50% of respondents firmly support 2A rights for the trans community.
Interestingly, the oldest folks in the survey showed the most support for trans-gun rights. Only 18% of those 60 and older think gender reassignment should lead to confiscation.
On the flip side, almost one outta three (29%) of 18-30-year-olds think those who’ve had gender reassignment surgery should have their guns seized.
Interesting findings!
SEE ALSO: Genderqueers Now Have ‘Non-Binary’ Option on ATF Form 4473
Non-binary and trans gun rights have become a hot topic in recent years. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) even asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms for guidance on background check forms.
In response, the ATF added a “non-binary” checkbox to its Form 4473 in 2020, showing that the world is paying attention to gender diversity in firearm regulations.
AmmunitionToGo’s survey highlights the wide range of opinions within the NRA on the rights of transgender individuals. (They also asked a bunch of other compelling questions on an array of different topics: support for mental health screenings, the biggest threat to gun rights, opinions on bump stocks, etc. Read more here!)
As the debate goes on, the big question remains: Should transgenders have their firearms confiscated? What say you?
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Yes gender dysphoria is a mental illness, bye.bye guns for you pronoun using mental deficients.
Another reason hell exists. No homos allowed in Jesus’ kingdom.
For reasons well beyond the 2A, I believe it is a valid question on whether there are profound dangerous psychological effects of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy (GAHT). The practice seems widespread while the studies seem inadequate.
Gender confusion is a serious mental illness, mentally unstable people don’t need guns in any situation, they had to lie to obtain them , they certainly lack the judgment to be armed
If you want to unconstitutionally attempt to confiscate a trans’ person’s firearm, you deserve whatever fire comes your way. Go ahead cowboy, be the first through the door.
Welll, they _are_ clearly suffering from mental illness (e.g. gender dysphoria), but I don;t believe that there is a historical analogue (r/t Bruen).
I think that anyboby on the Left should be banned from owning a gun, knife or any weapon!!
Just saying!!
Of course they should be barred from firearm possession: they suffer from a delusional disorder and the mentally ill cannot be trusted to be armed. People suffering from a delusional disorder are dangerous as they often respond violently when their delusion is broken, (calling him “sir” or “mister” instead of “miss” or “ma’am”,) sometimes even to the level of full-on psychotic break.
I’m 61, BTW.
If they can ban you for smoking weed, they can ban you for having an imaginary c**k. This is mental illness plane and simple.
If they can ban you for smoking weed, they can ban you for having an imaginary c**I. This is mental illness plane and simple.
When a person suffers from delusions, it’s obvious that they have lost their connection with reality, and as such they should not be allowed to possess firearms. You wouldn’t allow a schizo to have a gun, because the “voices” might tell him to use that gun on innocent people. Trannies are just as disconnected from reality as schizos, and they often get violent when normal-thinking people won’t play pretend with them. They should not only be disarmed, but institutionalized as well.
OK, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE MENTALLY DISTURBED. HOW CAN ANY NORMAL WOMAN THINK SHE IS A MAN. AND CAN CAN ANY NORMAL MAN THINK HE IS A WOMAN. SO PERHAPS A MENTAL TEST SHOULD BE APPLIED. I HAD TO GO SEE A PSYCIATRIST IN THE ARMY BECAUSE I TOLD A GENERAL TO GO F**K HIMSELF AFTER HE ATTACKED ME IN FORMATION I ATTENDED OUT OF RESPECT BUT WAS NOT IN PROPER UNIFORM AFTER 3 DAYS OF GUARD DUTY. HE LAUGHED & SAID I WAS FINE.
OK, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE MENTALLY DISTURBED. HOW CAN ANY NORMAL WOMAN THINK SHE IS A MAN. AND CAN CAN ANY NORMAL MAN THINK HE IS A WOMAN. SO PERHAPS A MENTAL TEST SHOULD BE APPLIED. I HAD TO GO SEE A PSYCIATRIST IN THE ARMY BECAUSE I TOLD A GENERAL TO GO F**K HIMSELF AFTER HE ATTACKED ME IN FORMATION I ATTENDED OUT OF RESPECT BUT WAS NOT IN PROPER UNIFORM AFTER 3 DAYS OF GUARD DUTY. HE LAUGHED & SAID I WAS FINE.
I have a better idea. Educate the public on the biology of gender. Let them know that 1.7% of babies are born intersex. Nearly 2 out of every 100! Yes, they have biology that is BOTH male and female, whether it’s chromosomes, genitals, or reproductive organs. (Google it please if you don’t know about this.) And it’s typically in puberty that they learn that the 1 of 2 gender boxes they were raised with does not match who the “are”. Then maybe, there can be empathy and understanding, instead of treating them like they are they only children who don’t deserve caring adults in their world. Instead of ostracizing, made illegal, made fun of, and outcast. Other cultures in the world have known and accepted this for millennia, why can’t we?
The majority of people who identify as “transgender” are biologically normal males or females, but they are mentally abnormal. Until 2012, gender dysphoria was listed as a mental illness. It was removed because the Rainbow Mafia claimed that trannies felt “stigmatized”. Who cares? Schizophrenia is a mental illness, and nobody cares if schizos feel stigmatized (except for wokeist whiners, that is…). Time to reclassify, and institutionalize.
Believing things without evidence is the very definition of delusion. Your ridiculous moniker says it all. Yet you find it perfectly normal to vilify more than 1/2 the population of the USA. With broad, sweeping dehumanizing and demonization of human beings that you know nothing about. An absence of empathy that is further displayed by your “who cares” and “nobody cares”. You actually have a hate and disdain for, demographic groups of people! Let me guess, your irrational fear (paranoia) of immigrants adds them to your list. Paranoid+delusion+lack of empathy = sociopath. Time for you to look in the mirror.
Well, well, well – a wokeist whiner rears his ugly head! Ever heard of “toxic empathy”? Wokeists are infected with it. It’s the kind of empathy that says “Let’s not make certain groups pay bail when they face criminal charges, but just turn them loose on the streets again with the promise that they’ll show up in court. Let’s not bring back mental institutions, just turn the loonies loose on the street with the admonition that they need to take their meds”. And who said anything about immigrants? I have no problem with immigrants who are (A) here LEGALLY, (B) willing to assimilate into American society rather than try to change the area they’ve settled in into the image of wherever they came from in the first place, (C) are able to support themselves upon arrival without having to leech off American taxpayers, and (D) become productive, loyal Americans. But the very fact that you brought them up at all in the first place shows your sad, triggered nature.
Actually, that’s totally wrong. If one has XX chromosome pairs, one is female. If one has XY chromosome pairs, one is male. Some male fetuses suffer from developmental disorders like CAIS or PAIS which prevents their genitalia from proper development and may result in the appearance of femininity or the appearance of hermaphroditism but they are still male. Female-appearing males suffering from CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) often first find out they’re males at puberty when their enlarging testicles rupture their peritoneum resulting in dual inguinal hernias. Doctors used to just castrate them while repairing the hernias and no one was the wiser. People who actually do have reproductive organs from both sexes are usually chimeras resulting from the absorption of an opposite-sex fraternal twin in utero. There is also a condition known as “triploidy” in which a person is born with chromosome triplets instead of pairs. Roughly two thirds of these are males with either 69,XYY or 69,XXY triplets while roughly one third are females with 69,XXX triplets. If you have a Y-chromosome, you are male. Gender is a linguistics term. Most languages have masculine or feminine forms of some words while a few, like German, add a third – neuter. It came to be used in biology when “sex” became a bad word proscribed from use in polite company. Words have a gender while people have a sex. Anyone who believes to be true something which is demonstrably false is is suffering from a delusion. If you believe you are a girl but you have XY chromosome pairs which demonstrably proves you are a male, then you refuse to accept the truth and are delusional, i.e. “mentally ill” – no less so than the man who believes himself to be Napoleon, the woman who believes herself to be a Schnauzer named “Bitsy” or the 137 Jesi (plural of “Jesus”) living in rooms with rubber wallpaper at any given time. The sane are under no obligation to accept your delusion as if it were anyone’s reality: in fact, the greater duty of the sane would be to disabuse you of your delusion and bring you to a state of “mental health”. This is best done in a clinical setting, as piercing a delusion often leads the delusional to react with violence, proving that they are too potentially dangerous to be out & about in society, let alone to be so while having access to dangerous weapons!
Exactly what did I say that was totally wrong? You sure went to a lot of trouble proving my point that there is more to determining sex/gender than XX and XY.
You apparently failed reading comprehension. There is NOTHING beyond XX/XY in determining sex. “Gender” is not a “feeling” and is inextricably tied to biological sex: the terms are interchangeable. If one has a “Y” chromosome one is a male, period, be that “Y” found in pairs or in triplets. If one suffers from CAIS and is born appearing female it still doesn’t change the fact that one is still an XY male, albeit a developmentally disabled one. The “female genitalia” of a CAIS male is NOT, in fact, female genitalia, it just has the outward appearance of such. In that respect it is no different than the genitalia of a man who has had himself chemically & surgically mutilated to more closely resemble something he will NEVER be; a female. Sex (gender) is a function of chromosome pairs (or triplets) and is immutable. As for reproductive organs, there has never been an XY-individual with a uterus or ovaries nor an XX individual with testicles. Any true “hermaphrodites” are the result of an absorbed fraternal twin of the opposite sex and are only a minute fraction of such absorbed twins – so minute that less than 100 have ever been known. Oh, and the incidence of CAIS is roughly 1 in 20,000-40,000 while the incidence of PAIS is roughly 1 in 130,000: even all the other developmental disorders affecting sexual organs and/or genitalia combined with the androgen disorders don’t add-up to 1.7%! Liberals do love to pull numbers out of their nether-regions…
Of that 1.7%, how many are truly intersex – in that, how many would mature into adults with two sets of sex organs? How many in that 1.7% are taken up in an expansion of the definition to include underformed or undersized genetalia with no hint of the sex organs of the other biological sex?
“Intersex” is just another silly meaningless term made-up by the political Left – they love to create words that don’ really have the meaning they purport them to such as intersex, transgender, cisgender, transphobia, homophobia, etc. “Inter” means “between” or “among” – there is no such thing as “between sex” and those the term is applied to are almost invariably genetic males with developmental disorders giving them feminine or ambiguous appearance – the proper term for a creature with both functional sexes at once is “hermaphrodite”. “Trans” means “across” or “beyond” – “Transylvania” literally means “beyond the forest”. “Cis” means “this side of” or “not beyond” – “cislunar space” is the space between the Earth and the Moon. A “phobia” is an “uncontrollable, unreasoning fear” – “homo” means “man” so “homophobia” would be an “uncontrollable, unreasoning fear of man”, while “transphobia” would be an “uncontrollable, unreasoning fear of the beyond”. “Dislike” is not “uncontrollable, unreasoning fear”. In fact, dislike is often well-reasoned.
So you don’t know enough to even know that you don’t know enough. IOW, suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Do you ever fact check anything? Intersex is in fact a medical and biological term. Oh, and “homo” means man as in human/mankind genius.
Yes, “homo” means “man” as in “mankind” but also just “man”: Homo habilis = “handy man”. Homo erectus = “upright man”. “Intersex” is not a biological term: it is an ANATOMICAL one. It refers to ambiguity in the appearance of an individual’s genitalia due to a developmental disorder.
It shouldn’t matter. It’s none of anybody’s GD business. Why some people are so obsessed with what is in people pants, who they love, or what bathroom they use is beyond me. All human beings deserve fundamental rights, dignity, and respect.
If it is none of anyone’s business, then why do you think a solution is to educate the public on the biology of gender?
If it should not matter how many people actually are intersex, then why do you use those statistics to validate your desire to educate the public about intersex people?
If it is none of anyone’s business, then why is this your business?
You defeat your own argument, Sharon.
Intersex people are real but it diminishes those people while at the same time defeats your own cause to expand the definition the way that you have. Actual numbers are closer to 1 in 1000 or fewer compared to 2 in 100.
Wow, that has to be the most warped and convoluted way to view standing up for marginalized groups of people I’ve ever seen. Let me put it this way, it’s not the business of anyone that would vilify demographic groups of human beings. Your 1 in 1000 comes from reported numbers. The 1.7% comes from statistical modeling, like for redheads. Do you think they actually count redheads?? Sheesh.
And people don’t enjoy a fundamental right to not be defrauded? A fundamental right to be free from being compelled to accept someone else’s delusion as if it were reality? I don’t care who or what people love. I don’t care who or what people have sex with (as long as I don’t have to see it). I DO care what bathroom/locker room they use and I damn sure care when biological males try to compete in women’s sports. If “dignity” were a right, half of the posts on Youtube would have to be taken down and suicide would be legal. “Respect” must be earned.
Most mass shooting have been perpetrated by white people. Using this logic, we should confiscate arms from white people.
Transgenderism requires a certain amount of MENTAL/EMOTIONAL therapy under a psychiatrists care. Isn’t that one of the questions on the 4473 that would preclude one from purchasing a firearm? Why wouldn’t it also allow reporting to “the proper authorities” for the monitoring or confiscation of their firearms? Mental illness is MENTAL ILLNESS!!
There are many disturbed Transgender people and there are many like me that have had many physical issues our whole lives and needed to transition to get things right. There are a huge number of trans individuals that just live out in the world and you don’t even know it, and there are a very large number of very conservative trans people that just don’t make a big deal about who or what they are. Discrimination based on a characteristic is wrong, if someone is unstable and in need of mental treatment they need to get help, sadly many mental health professionals do not delve into the other problems these people are having and tend to focus on the trans issue, unless the underlying issues are solved, transitioning does nothing to help.
I would offer the following if you think you can separate me from my firearms, you need to make a better life choice.
If the chromosome’s a “Y”, you will ALWAYS be a guy.
Form 4473 already has a question about mental illness. The problem rests with the corrupted psychological/psychiatric associations who moved a variety of mental illnesses rampant in the left wing into the “normal” category under pressure from the “woke” community. In any normal/reasonable world, they would already be exempted from forearm ownership by the mental illness question.
The Trans discussion should be as much or more on the drugs the potential perpetrators are given and the mental health care/ counseling they receive. Is there a correlation between the drugs and breakdowns that lead to these terrible attacks?
In two years president AOC could decide that MAGA supporters should lose their gun ownership rights.
ProTrans are never going to admit there is anything wrong with those people. They always just say it’s “normal“ instead of it being, what I believe, a mental/chemical disorder. We can treat depression with chemicals due to a chemical imbalance in people. Isn’t it odd or obvious that most trans people suffer from depression? It pops up either before or after they change and why the rate of suicide is so high in post trans people. Is it possible that they tried to cure their depression by thinking they were the wrong sex?
And what do we do with people with mental disorders and their guns… We separate them.
By the law’s in our country. State and Fed. If you are of legal age and void of a criminal background you can legally purchase and own a firearm.
PERIOD
Yes there’s is only two genders, all others suffer from a mental disorder derangment
OF COURSE they should lose their second amendment rights. You wouldn’t want them to go off half-cocked.
okay i get it! heh-heh
Absolutely, 100% yes. They’re mentally ill and have been the perpetrators of almost every public or mass shooting in recent years. Make asylums great again.
If gender dysphoria is not a sign of mental disability, I shudder to think what is.
Transgender identity is a psychosis. If an individual can’t see reality, how can he or she be trusted to act in a sane manner when armed? This is not about 2A rights. It’s about mental illness, and how it should be treated.
Agreed
In my opinion yes they should have their rights removed because they aren’t even capable of knowing what THEY ARE !
Not right mentally so yeah…..
The problem with confiscating firearms is that it opens the door to other groups. Should left handed people have their firearms confiscated? Any group would then be able to be banned. And as political winds shift, so do the people banning firearms.
Very true and well said
No, no, no.
They should be evaluated, treated and/or institutionalized, where they don’t have access.
If we go down this road, the next administration is going to expand the definition and Red Flag Laws or other, and confiscation and denial will take off. The Second Amendment will be gone in a flash. You believe in an invisible omnipotent being? Insane…
ALL mentally ill people should be prevented from having firearms. Dangerous mentally-ill people should be confined since they are deadly without firearms. Those on drugs should have secondary containment.
They are mentally unstable and should be denied access to firearms.
Every trans is on a boatload of MIND ALTERING DRUGS!
So no they should not have guns!
Perhaps using the Red Flag laws would be a good way to bring home the point that are due process issues when people without direct reason, say others are a danger!
Face it: Trannies are not real people. They are freaks created in a misguided attempt to treat their mental illness. Many become angry nuts after realizing what has been done to them (in the name of “mental health treatment””. NO…they should not have guns!
No American, unless you’re a convicted felon, suffer from mental health issues, have addiction problems, or are under age, should not have their 2A rights taken away. That’s an assault on our constitutional rights and liberty. If you want to cut and tuck your wang, that’s your right as long as you’re an adult. They should be allowed to own firearms as long as they are legally allowed. If we take away gun rights to an extremely small percentage of our population then they can take away gun rights to a larger group of Americans.
You are an idiot virtue signaler. The fact that they “identify” as a gender other that their chromosomes indicate is proof of their mental illness. The mentally ill do not have the right to own a firearm. The medical professionals who alter the gender of these mentally ill people should lose their licenses to practice medicine (do no harm!), as a minimum, or be executed. Idiots like you are destroying this country, you traitor.
No they should not lose their rights. They should, however, by locked up in a mental institution till their sanity is restored.
Lobotomies for all gender disphoric. That will ease their suffering and save many innocent lives. If all liberals would do us all a favor and drop dead, we wouldn’t have to worry about these types of disfunctional people destroying our society.
Transgenders have a mental problem to begin with and as such they should NOT be allowed access to or own GUNS. Also consideration must be given to their access to anyother type of instruments that can be used to commit mass killing. It is the MENTAL state of the person that causes a person to commit such crimes, a gun is only the tool being used to inflict such destruction and loss of life.
Removing the rights of a large group of individuals without thought to ALL aspects of their lives is dangerous and, on the outset, unconstitutional. The mental health issues that we on both the left and right politically have decried but can’t seem to find a solution for seems to me to be the basis of the real problem. Personally, I don’t see the trans question to be psychologically stable, but that’s my opinion and to be determined by people with a better grasp on the issues at hand. We as a nation need to find a way to care for our unstable individuals, to bring them back to reality and help them to once again become a functioning part of their community. Those who are teetering on the brink of total insanity need to be institutionalized for their own safety and that of the community at large, or we will continue to see them acting out, hurting themselves and others.
It is a mental disorder that disqualifies individuals from owning a firearm. Ther isn’t a debate. That is the law. You’re crazy you don’t get a gun. If they lied on the form that is also against the law and another disqualifier.
“Transgenders” are deviant sex pests. They ought to be imprisoned or executed. Of course they shouldn’t have guns.
“Trans” is Gender Dysphoria, a mental disease. Legally people with mental disease can not own guns. I disagree with that law, but it exists.
Mental health issues are the problem; it comes in many types and Gender Dysphoria is just one of them. We should not allow people with diagnosed mental health issues to possess guns, that is a problem were facing in America. If you’re ok with that diagnoses, then what about schizophrenia or psychopathy patients with guns. I support 2A whole heartedly, but not people in a mental health crisis having a gun at that time.
2A is for everyone. If you’re gonna take away rights from trans then you should take away rights from white hillbilly’s. They kill more people with guns than anyone else. Even more than you know who.
Are you mental
You are an idiot. Reread the crap you wrote. You are probably a gender bender, yourself, B(end) O(vere) B(uddy).
You are correct FBI Stats show that Far Right Fanatics (The Hillbillies) murder more people than any other political group. The FBI has declared the Far Right as the greatest danger to American Freedom and Democracy because they are pushing for a 1 party system and making Herr Drumpf dictator for life.
Herr Drumpf himself has ranted and screamed from the rooftops he only wants to let in a few “white” immigrants and wants to deport anyone who is not White, Anglo Saxon, and Protestant and the Maga Maniacs are cheering from the rooftops. He called Somali People trash and from a shithole country. Yet this racist Moron if he had studied the academic achievements of African foreign students here in the U.S. he would have seen that they have actually scored the highest in grades.
Enjoy the fire dacain!!
Wow, what a dumpster fire your comment is!
Actually, those of us on the Right don’t go shooting-up places because we EXPECT that others should be as well-armed as we are – oh, yeah, and also because we’re not batshit crazy like those on the Left.
I’m no fan of Trump, even though I voted for him in 3 elections (lesser of evils). MAGA is NOT the REAL Republican Party!
Somalia is, truly, a shithole country, a failed state. African students in America do NOT score the highest: Asians do. Recent data indicates that the average IQ score in Somalia is estimated to be around 68 to 84, which is significantly lower than the global average of 100. In their own country, thievery, rape, and murder are a way of life for much of the population – certainly not the kind of people we should be welcoming here.
I would say that it just may have been that when you abuse and discriminate against a young man who may look or behave somewhat effeminate you can drive a young man who started out as perfectly sane but different to the point where the “abuse” is what causes them to commit a violent act as a way of retaliation against those they perceived were their attackers. It had nothing to do with their sexual orientation but rather they way they were abused which drove them over the edge. This makes way more sense than tying to blame their sexual orientation.
Putting it in plain English when you beat your dog he will eventually attack you.
“when you beat your dog he will eventually attack you”………..remember that with your over the top activism!
hell yes confiscate…….those people are blasted with hormones and drugs which ain’t a good combination with firearms!
Shocker that you’re a bigot and a bootlicker. You should be ashamed of yourself.
On top of being a bigot and a bootlicker I wouldn’t be surprised if you turnee out to be one of those good ol boys that spouted “We need our guns to protect ourselves from tyranny/oppression!” and yet you do nothing when tyranny/oppression shows up because the tyrant fed into your hate.
You’re not an American. You’re scum.
you might want to get those ovaries checked chuckles…..
It’s funny how ‘pro 2nd Amendment’ people will back gun confiscations for people they don’t like. These are very much the ‘I support the 2nd Amendment but’ crowd. You either support these inalienable rights or you support big brother government from taking rights away from people you don’t like. Well, how long until it is you that is deemed unfit to exercise your rights? Oh veterans have a high rate of suicide, maybe they should be next to have their rights taken away. Oh men have a high rate of committing domestic abuse, maybe they should be next. Oh people with speeding tickets show a clear disregard for the law and safety of others, maybe they shouldn’t have guns. Supporting the 2nd Amendment means supporting it for all, not just the people you like, or else you are giving ground for more confiscations based on feelings or paranoia.
Amazing!!!! Someone on this forum that is well educated. Will wonders never cease.
While I disagree with the law, it still prohibits people with mental diseases, such as gender dysphoria, from owning firearms. ALL laws infringing on our God given rights should be erased.
You are an idiot.
No guns for crazies, druggies, or former-felons who committed violent crimes – none of whom can be trusted not to attack others and shouldn’t be armed when they do – in fact, crazies & druggies should be locked-up for public safety’s sake. If a veteran is crazy and dangerous to others, he/she shouldn’t be armed. If not crazy & dangerous to others, they deserve to be armed if they want. Suicide should be the right of any adult who chooses it.
Lots of diverse answers. Everything from the second amendment doesn’t discriminate to pathological nuts that can’t put a simple sentence together. The fact that this poll was introduced during a NRA meeting makes me suspect chicanery. This was a setup and the respondents were suckered into answering.
The 2nd Amendment is absolute. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If you think you’re the reincarnation of Napoleon and want to own a Barrett .50, go for it. What you do with your Right determines the outcome. It’s not about a guy wearing a dress (Klinger from M.A.S.H. for example), it’s about said guy carrying a .380 in his purse. No Infringement means no infringement, period.
Then, you are saying the mentally ill have 2A rights? You are a moron.
I’m hurt that you would resort to name calling. A person, regardless of the clothes you wear, have Rights. Taking those Rights requires a legal process. For an individual to have their Rights taken from them must be proven to be a hazard to others. I personally don’t have any opinion on this whole trans issue. I simply don’t care.
Come up with a consistent manner for determining ones mental health which can apply to everyone. That’s the only legally binding way to do this.
And no, you misspelled the name, It’s spelled MARINE.
MARINE: Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected…
Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1 Jesus said that the sodomites don’t even have the right to life.
Well, good thing most folks are sane and don’t listen to made-up BS.
Brian Miller you will be wishing Jesus Christ and the Bible was a “fairy tale” when you step into eternity. A least you’ll be with your beloved sodomite dogs. Enjoy the brimstone and fire. It will never be quenched. God certainly won’t be mocked anyone, like the Delaware Potato or Trump, let alone you.
Dude, I’m a Satanist. I don’t believe in your made-up BS any more than I believe Harris or Trump are pro-2A. If you’re “god” is real, then either it’s either not good (because of childhood cancer, wars, etc) or it’s not all-powerful (because etc etc). Either way, not worthy of worship, those myths can piss off. I’ll believe what I can see/hear/feel, which includes that the Founders believed the 2nd Amendment is a right that should not be infringed; that includes being a right for folks regardless of sexual orientation, whether they want to wear dresses or pants, etc. Seems like the 2nd Amendment was intended in part at least to defend against authoritarians like you.
Made up??? You will be wishing your delusional fantasies were reality after you leave this world. For God is not mocked. Not by a potato brain 45 IQ moron like Biden or an evil satanic fool like you. Truth is that you are already condemned just like Harris Biden Trump. The wrath of God is on them and you. You would have mocked Noah too if you lived in the preflood time. How did that work out for the wicked? Only 8 made it to this new world.
Dude, in reply to your last Flood post, pshah. A meaningless post. This is a 2nd Amendment forum; it has nothing to do with your myths or fracked-up views on religion…and if Noah was a real person, he was a drunken incestuous a-hole and your god was a sadistic prick. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with myths; it’s about the right to keep and bear arms to defend one’s self (and others) against tyrants…which includes religious tyrants such as yourself. I couldn’t honestly care less if someone’s trans, gay, whatever and wants to own a firearm. If they’re a law-abiding American, and hopefully at least reasonably safe with the firearm, that’s their right. Doesn’t mean I’ll subscribe to their views on pronouns, politics, whatnot, but the great thing about this country and the Constitution and Bill of Rights is that they weren’t meant just for the people I like, but for all Americans. If you can’t accept that, GTFO.
Forget the ramblings of an imaginary being, they need to be eliminated to filter the gene pool.
Enjoy hell then Tom. You are going there. Just like all the sodomites.
A couple of questions for you. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? And I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
The OT was and will never be my covenant, but you should direct your question to those misguided Schofield Bible believers.
Who has bewitched you, Sharon?
Leviticus 20:13
YEAH!!!
quote——————-Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1 Jesus said that the sodomites don’t even have the right to life.———quote
If the “real” Jesus could come back from the dead he would punch guys like you in the nose. He would also be astonished at all the bullshit written about him in the “so called Christian Bibles” of which their have been at least 55 or more and most written 450 years after he died. Like these power mad religious nuts really knew anything at all about what he really said or what beliefs he really practiced. Remember it’s almost certain that Jesus and the Apostles who were fishermen were probably all illiterate. This is why we do not know what they really believed in assuming they even existed at all. Almost “all” religious scholars agree the Christian Bibles were “not” written by the Apostles themselves but by power mad Church Elders who were born a good 450 years later.
I might add that the “real” founder of Christianity was “Mary Magdalene” perhaps the most denigrated and lied about religious person who ever lived. Many Scholars claim if it were not for her taking over the leadership of the Apostles and restructuring the Christian beliefs to reflect the desires of women who indoctrinate the children Christianity would not have survived even 20 years after the death of Christ.
I suggest you read Thomas Paine’s book “The Age of Reason” which is a hilarious spoof on the Bible showing how ridiculous much of the information in it is. The various so called Apostles of the bible even contradict each other showing that the various Bibles certainly had no divine inspiration but was conjured up by people in power who lived over 450 years later and all trying to legitimize their beliefs by using the names of the Apostles when writing their own versions of the bible.
I might say too that when tracing various Christian beliefs they were simply copied from other more older religions which included the Egyptians who believed a man would come down from heaven to save mankind from his sins and die on a cross, the Zoroastrians who believed that the world would be destroyed by fire and believed that there was a constant battle going on between good and evil. And of course the Old Testament is a direct copy from the Jewish Religion. And we could even mention other religions that influenced Christianity that were far older such as Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism.
It’s too bad that the Christians ignored the best part of Buddhism and that is they consider all life sacred. Perhaps it is only they that can claim that they are one of the very few “Civilized Religions”. Christianity flunked out big time when they rejected that belief.
And if you go far enough back in time before the rise of cities and the domestication of plants and animals when Europeans were still living in caves they believed that the Gods were no friend of man but the incarnation of pure evil because of all the suffering in this world of both people and animals that they were responsible for. When you really think about it perhaps it was “the primitives” that really “got it right” from the very beginnings of religious beliefs.
I might add that most of the greatest thinkers ever born all rejected the thought of the existence of any Gods or any afterlife.
So you can take your Christian hatred of anyone different than you and shove it and your violent, and cruel Christian religion up your kazoo zoo.
I have heard more coherent and factual arguments calling in to Coast to Coast AM, dacian. What is in your kopsa?
Mary Magdelene was the real leader of early Christianity, leading the Apostles who may or may not have existed?
Nobody hides or denies the fact that the Old Testament is the Hebrew Tanakh. Christianity did not copy; it was an outgrowth of 1st century Judaism inasmuch as was Rabbinic Judaism with the Midrash and Talmud.
It feels a bit racist to insist that these rural fishermen and religious scholars had to be illiterate. There is abundant archaeological evidence of widespread literacy even as far back as the United Kingdom era, with ostraca showing handwriting from multiple individuals found in even far-flung Hebrew outposts. Moses himself was probably literate, having grown up in the house of Pharoh. The structure of the Books of the Torah point to this, especially Deuteronomy.
Your final statement is an appeal to consensus. Is that your final authority? Is consensus the arbiter of truth?
to Blue Dog,
Wrong. During that era few people could read or write. Only those that needed to be literate were trained to be literate by sponsors who were wealthy like a King. They were often tax collectors, census takers, architects, or people who were in charge of keeping track of a Kings wealth. Books were also very expensive, because they were all handwritten and few people could afford them.
Universal literacy only came into being when the use of the printing press became widespread and books became affordable to the common man. To claim that Christ and his Fishermen were literate is beyond ludicrous.
I am not arguing for universal literacy here. These men and women were religious scholars. They travelled the countryside preaching and teaching from scriptures – written scriptures. The New Testament records that Jesus went into a temple and read from the scroll of Isaiah, reading a weekly haftarah portion. That would be tricky if He could not read.
There were more economical ways to read and write than books, like the ostraca I had cited above, broken pot shards that were basically the post it notes of the first century.
Cuneiform had 1,000+ symbols and it would be difficult to learn to read and write cuneiform. The Aramaic alphabet has what, 22 letters? Greek has 24? How many did the contemporary Latin alphabet have – 25? 26? And this is 1500 years before standardised spelling, so you don’t have that to worry about, just learn how the sounds correspond to the graphemes and write down the way it sounds. You are coming off mighty classist here.
Leviticus 20:13
YEAH!!!
I think they should have to amend the back ground check information to correct the sexual status. If required to get a permit to carry, that also needs to be ameneded. These items may come into play involving the police at one point and time for checking on the individual.
I just skimmed through a lot of the comments on this subject and there are a lot of great points and a lot of hate expressed. I do not agree with the trans lifestyle and I particularly do not agree with the force in society these days to brainwash children into wanting gender reassignment surgery. There are a significant number of people now realizing that they had been duped into it as children and regretting it as adults. Is that a reason that later in life they should be disallowed from protecting themselves or loved ones? there are plenty of crazies out there that should be nowhere near a gun but categorizing people based on how they look and denying their rights is a slippery slope that I prefer not to go down. “Good for me but not for thee” does not fly. If the founding fathers had ever envisioned this would be a thing then they may have commented on it but this subject, along with a lot of others that we hold dear were beyond their imagination. We do not have the luxury to pick and choose what among those things fits and what doesn’t. I believe we should judge folks on their actions. All that said, trans people who wish to own guns need to be correctly identified and adhere to laws. Consider that Colt made people equal and that the weak should be the very ones who need the 2nd amendment. I like to dress up like a cowboy and shoot (cowboy action shooting) there are probably a ton of people that would call me weird for that ….
My view exactly, even if I firmly believe the “transgender and LGBTQ thing” to be a “modern” sickness, more related to emotional disfunction (wrong emotional management) than anything else, people should be judged on their actions, not on what they look like.
Isn’t convincing her son he really wants to be a girl a great way for a bitter woman to get back at her ex in a world where she can sign him up for puberty blockers & female hormones?
Hell yes! It should have its weapons collected. Clearly the person is screwed up.
As a male, whenever I apply for a license or a credential I always have to update my information to ensure that I have not changed my address and to ensure correspondence arrives to my address on record.
When a female get married, if she decides take her husband’s surname, then she must apply for a name change to the court in her local jurisdiction.
I am not familiar with any transgenders and I am fine with that as the ideology really doesn’t fit into my personal beliefs or my lifestyle. But, if a person changes their gender I would imagine that they would need to update their entire identity, beginning with their sex, their name, and possibly their address. If an individual purchased numerous firearms over the years, then should they have to re-register those firearms under the identity of a new owner especially since their sex has changed? To change a name from a maiden name to a married name is one thing but transgenders are changing their sex and their name. Who really is the current owner of the firearm?
This would be a great question for the California Department of Justice Firearms Division since the State of California is a Sanctuary State for most every variation of human behavior including the entire myriad of LBGTQ+ individuals. It is no wonder why many refer to California as the land of fruits and nuts.
If a person can change their sex, why can’t they change their race? Libs love when guys claim to be girls but flip-out when a White college professor claims to be Black and clamor to have her fired. Both are inherent characteristics, after all. I’m just waiting for one who changed their sex to get away with murder because of it: if the DNA evidence shows the murderer was a man but the murderer is legally a “she” who had all their records altered and a skilled butcher (sex-change surgeon) the cops might never consider “her”… Of course, it may have already happened and we just don’t know because he/she GOT AWAY WITH IT!
“Sanctuary” jurisdictions, by intentionally ignoring an entire class of criminals (illegal aliens), violate the 14th Amendment right to Equal Protection of every American they ticket or prosecute for ANY crime they may commit. All their politicians who voted to enact or maintain “sanctuary” status should be arrested & prosecuted under 18 U.S.C. § 242!
The best thing to do with these sick trans people, is to just put them to sleep. It’s a proven fact that the trans BS is a mental disorder.
Bullshit with your so called facts. There are scientific reasons behind gender differences. Grow up
Yes there are scientific reasons, calked the X & Y chromosomes.
Believing things without evidence is a sign of delusion. The absence of empathy is a sign of a sociopath. An utter disregard for human life is a sign of a psychopath. YOU sir, are a mental disorder trifecta, and should not be allowed to own firearms!
Dumb ass. You are stupid. Clean the liberal scum from the gene pool.
No, believing to be true that which is demonstrably false is a delusion – like “you are not a girl: you have a penis” or “you are not a girl: you have XY-chromosome pairs”. Believing things without evidence is a sign of being religious or being simply gullible (though they DO tend to go hand-in-hand). “Empathy” scales – more for some, less or even none for others. One need not, and should not, have empathy for everyone in every circumstance. I don’t agree with his contention that they should be “put to sleep” but I do believe they need to be put into a facility where the rooms have rubber wallpaper and the patients wear those nice white sports jackets with the sleeves that tie in the back until they are fully disabused of their gender-delusions…
Otay, Buhwheat, the question (as of the last gun I bought) was not are you mentally ill, but have you been adjudged mentally incompetent. Since BATFE has at long last been forbidden to make “rules” on the latest whim of the director, they are under no restriction. Especially since ATF has recognized “Non Binary”.
BUT, this is an opinion question. In my opinion, a genderqueer individual IS mentally frickin’ ill, and I know of several instances where a ladyboy has committed violent acts not normally associated with females.
Should they have their guns confiscated? Under the law, no. Every single citizen not under indictment for or having committed a VIOLENT felony (definition of felony being another sticking point) is protected under the 2nd Amendment. I do not condone gun confiscation based on lifestyle; my own lifestyle might offend one group or another.
But on a personal basis, I would feel a whole lot better if these sickos’ only weapon was their six inch heels.
I don’t think anyone in Government at any level or any capacity should be allowed firearms. If they think they need a gun they should come before a Citizens committee and submit background checks and mental health assessment and a temporary permit MAY be issued. WE THE PEOPLE demand they answer to us and not the other way around.
I agree with Mr. Mike . Politicians are the problem with
our Country now , not the solution .
Have them lead by example .
Speaking as someone who does work for the taxpayer as a Federal employee and who believes in the Consitution, including the 2nd Amendment, that is unconstitutional. Just because we’re angry that a lot of politicians and Feds are perfectly willing to break their oaths and violate the Constitution does not justify doing the same thing to them. If it’s unconstitutional it is wrong, regardless.
Yes, the mentally ill, such as the people pretending to be something they are not, should have their firearms taken away. In reality, they lied on their 4473 to get a firearm since they are mentally ill
If People think that they can go from a Biological Man into a Woman and Vice Versa, Doctors are anxious to dabble in this field of
“Elective Surgery” because they have forgotten their Pledge “DO NO HARM” and adopted a new Pledge, “DO NO HARM,UNLESS YOU CAN
MAKE LOTS OF MONEY” If Transgenderism is a “MENTAL ISSUE” and I’m not including the voyeurs that want a looksee in the girls locker rooms,
but there are children who are being told that their problems, are caused because they were born into the WRONG BODY? Please No Guns! 4 Trans
In its earlier incarnation, the NRA (like the late Justice Antonin Scalia), said the Second Amendment was not absolute, just like the First Amendment (the speech restriction on yelling fire in a crowded theater; recent religion-related decisions). For those who says it is absolute, but then say it’s okay to carve out exceptions for certain groups they don’t like, understand, etc., then it’s not absolute. But one can’t argue that a convicted domestic violence subject should have their guns, but a trans person shouldn’t. Whatever one thinks of trans people (and there are societies throughout human history that have them—some Native American and other cultures even still have a Two-Spirit concept), denying them rights solely based on that is wrong. If they’re convicted felons, domestic abusers, adjudicated mentally dangerous to themselves or others, then sure, control access to firearms. And, no, you can’t compare firearms to other potentially lethal products since firearms can theoretically take out lots more people than a knife or hammer or sword or whatever.
You have no clue about the first amendment!
That “fire in the theater thing” was overturned, by SCOTUS, that is not true, that is a BS term that everybody keeps using to put restrictions on the First Amendment!
You can yell “fire in a theater” all you want but you will be held responsible for the results if you do as you’re not being held responsible for yelling “fire in a theater” you’re being held responsible for the results of that action if it nNOT TRUE, there is a difference, maybe you need to learn it! 👏🏽 👍🏼☺️
I think anyone that wants to confiscate Firearms from anyone should go th the bloods or crypts or hells angels or the gangster disciples or basically any gangs clubhouse and demand they surrender their Firearms (you know like a test run)
Just because you are transgender or had reassignment surgery is not a reason to strip ANYBODY of their 2A rights. It is no different than the Dems saying every fat, unmarried, white Southern male should not be allowed to own a gun. Or saying no Black man should be allowed a gun because of gangs and Chicago.
You don’t discriminate against a whole group because of a small group of irresponsible/crazy/criminals in that group.
You ESPECIALLY don’t take away their rights that are affirmed by the BILL OF RIGHTS!.
Given the track record of active shooter incidents and the transgender perpetrators I fully support the limiting of their access to dangerous weapons. It is a mental health concern, these folks have some serious snakes in their heads! Sorry it comes to this but if one of my family members was like this it would be denied access and watched closely.
No, they should not have their firearms confiscated. If you decided to go take theirs away, who’s next? Also, the 3-letter agencies need their respective patsies to do the bidding of the demo-comunistas. If the Transites want to point their guns at someone with ill intent, they must realize they could be on the receiving end of a gun barrel as well.
I agree with you. No confiscation. But if they are a proclaimed trans they should not be able to purchase due to the mental illness rejection on the 4473. The liberals want to make gender dysphoria a mainstream accepted condition but as we all know there are two genders. Anyone trying to mix that is mentally ill. Reality, if they want to kill they will be able to find a weapon whether it be a gun, a car, gasoline, knife, etc.
They tend to have a problem with reality. If you are a man who thinks He is a Woman then you are having problems with REALITY, witch makes me question your Mental Stability. It’s as plain as that!
Considering thr fact that these people are demonstrably mentally ill and suffering from delusional thinking, and several of their number have turned to violence against people – even innocent children! – who they feel aren’ being “affirming” enough of those delusions, yes, I think they should be disarmed, AND institutionalized!
How many white, straight people, mostly male, have done the same? Do you want the ATF taking your guns because YOU might be crazy like that guy that shot at Trump, or the one that shot up the Buffalo supermarket, or the Batman movie? All because you’re a white guy?
Exactly. Unfortunately, we’ve far too many nutcases in the 2A community who fail to recognize their own authoritarian hypocrisies when complaining about the Antis and their actions/policies. Just because someone may not like what another person believes/thinks/acts, that does not by itself mean that second person’s civil rights should be abrogated.
another weird way to just stir up hate
An answer with the fewest word that has the best answer, thank you! This is just another attempt to get one side to hate the other.
They should be allowed to own guns except not those firearms with “Binary” triggers.
LOL!
The survey showed that about 50% of the NRA members either “agreed with confiscation” or slyly avoided answering the question which proved that they were ignorant, bigoted, hypocrites when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights. I would not doubt if the word transgender would have been replaced with the word Blacks, or Asians, or Muslims that the results would have been even higher in favor of confiscation.
It must hurt to be this dumb. And record, yes.
Is this a serious question? Since when have transgender/non binary US citizens become non citizens, not worth of their 2nd Amendment Rights? What other RIGHTS guaranteed under the US CONSTITUTION do we want to strip them of? Let’s get off this Holier than Thou crusade and turn our attention to homelessness, a strong economy, environmental impact, and a dozen other things that make life better for all concerned. At age 68 I have a broader view than I had at 28. I won’t be around long enough to see the long term effect of global warming, but I care enough about it to keep my attention on the larger picture.
Well said.
If a man BELIEVES himself to be Josef Stalin and another BELIEVES himself to be Adolf Hitler, should they have guns or should they be locked-up in a mental institution with the guy who BELIEVES himself to be Jesus until their delusions are broken? They are no more and no less mentally ill than a man who BELIEVES himself to be a woman or a woman who BELIEVES herself to be a man. The crazy shouldn’t be armed until/unless their crazy is cured: the delusional are DANGEROUS!
Since when did the NRA start allowing any discrimination of any type on citizens second amendment rights. Sounds like Democraps divide and conquer. Bring it to floor was a disgrace and to a vote unf—ing believable. Whom ever is responsible (very poor choice of words) should be removed as NRA members.
Im a libtard and frankly that 18% is the reason I have been buying guns. You old heads, i dont have any bones to pick with you despite everything.
But, Hitler didnt take the guns away from everyone, he also didnt give them to everyone. He took them from jews and gave them to his brownshirts. I fail to see this as that different.
this is going to piss folks off but….no i think they are to mentally unstable to be trusted with firearms! the gay gene is bullshit, weak minded people are convinced they are another person inside, and all the other bullshit is just “i want to be special so i will invent a sexual orientation” just to get attention.
Bullshit with your so called facts. There are scientific reasons behind gender differences. Grow up
Are you a ladyboy? Is that why you protest this much?
Ignorant statement juts like your unscientific argument. Tell me you don’t understand the diversity of human genome expression without saying you don’t understand human genome expression. You also don’t understand human development. Anyone who believes transgenders are all mentally ill is a fool with no common sense or ability to think for themselves.
What studies can you cite that have proven that are no dangerous psychological effects of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy (GAHT)?
“Gender” and “sex” are THE SAME THING! The “scientific reasons behind gender differences” are XX-chromosome pairs or XY-chromosome pairs – there are no others! Anyone who thinks they are a member of the opposite sex “trapped in the wrong body” is delusional and no matter how many liberal morons want to make excuses for them, they cannot change scientific FACTS. Light in the 4,000 – 5,000 Angstrom range will ALWAYS be blue, no matter if a billion morons want to call it “red”. Facts are facts. If a body or a mind doesn’t work right it is ill. If a mind cannot accept reality, will not accept demonstrable fact, it is not working right and is, therefore, ill. Compassion & empathy mean you strive to cure that illness, not to perpetuate it!
Yes!! All TRANNIES must be DISARMED AT ONCE!!!😈εつ▄█▀█🥵
I think you should be disarmed because you spew HATE SPEECH. Let’s take your second AND first amendment rights away.
Are you feeling triggered? Are you feeling picked on? Are you feeling like you don’t deserve it? GOOD! Hope that feeling sticks with you. Hypocrite.
“Hate speech” is still free speech and the laws against it are unconstitutional as long as it isn’t directly inciting violence.
WTH would anyone with a brain think their guns should be confiscated? If that is allowed, who is next? Gays? Ex-military? Construction workers? All people without a college degree?
Don’t start that damn snowball downhill. We need MORE gun ownership, not less.
Agreed.
The FBI still has not released the Nashville Tranny shooter’s manifesto after almost a year and a half. Why not? After they finally release it (don’t hold your breath waiting), then we should debate whether transgenders should have guns.
Why the hell would it make a difference if one person has a private manifesto to kill people, or even if it is 100 people on the manifesto? We cannot make felons out of people with nothing worse than a questionable gender! For the record, I think it is ridiculous to have anything other than male/female genders, but even if allowed, it does not mean they shouldn’t own guns.
For what reason can there even be a debate? If you know the law of “unintended consequences”, you will change your views of your post. If you don’t understand, come on back, and I will explain it to you.
It’s not about making “felons” of them. They should all be put on psych holds and evaluated the moment they start to show indications of a gender-delusional disorder and if the shrink confirms that they do, in fact, suffer from a belief that they are a member of the opposite sex in the wrong body petition the courts to have them adjudicated a mental defective and committed until they can be cured of their delusion. It’s not about them being criminals that can’t have guns, it’s about them being crazies that cant have guns.
No, not even then. That was ONE PERSON. Not a group of Transgendered people running wild in the street.
Did you want to keep all white kids in Colorado High Schools from being allowed to have guns when they graduated because of Columbine? What about kids in Connecticut when they’re old enough, or High Schoolers in Florida?
No, you didn’t It’s no different. Stop being a Hypocritical Bigot.
Discrimination against others is based on low information leading to fear then hatred. This is a form of dysfunctional thinking and the individual clearly doesn’t have the mental capacity to comprehend their thoughts, emotion’s, on an intellectual basis. Lacking the ability to observe your own thoughts and examine them should probably restrict your rights to gun ownership. As gun ownership is mostly mental capacity it clearly shows a good percentage of gun owners are stupider than the general population knows. However most of the general population lacks the abilities mentioned above so it all equals out. Thus is why most in the population are sheep and believe in a god type concept that’s only in the mind of the individual but it’s a comfortable thought that some parent type character will slap a pacifier in your mouth when things get tough like your parents did when you were a baby
Why should they have their guns confiscated? Regardless of which side you are on, the question still stands. On what basis should they not have guns?
If they lose their guns, who is next? Gays? How about homophobes, who are likely the people who would say “yes” to confiscation for TG’s
I do not support gender reassignment for any person under 18. No pills, no shots, nothing. But, when they are 18, if that is the way they want to spend their life, let them. The reason I say this is that if they are not allowed reassignment, their problems will only be amplified, and possibly spill over into the general population.
All in all, this was a really strange question to ask.
This is ridiculous. You are either a man or a woman. That’s it.
I’m truly disturbed how many so called “freedom lovers” only love freedom as it relates to themselves. I guarantee liberals are itching to call Christians and others with conservative views as ‘mentally ill’ and take away their rights. Who is the arbiter of who should have rights??? The founders held that our rights were given by our Creator and I unapologetically agree! It is the role of government to protect that which God has given freely to all people, hence the founders gave us the Bill of Rights and the 2A. I never thought this would need to be explained on a forum like this and I am quite saddened by it. So I ask, do you not agree that the Bill of Rights, including the 2A, are indeed intrinsically endowed by our Creator, or do you just think that you are specially qualified to nullify and take away what God has so freely given to all people He created?
I’m a Conservative and I think ALL people who believe in imaginary “gods” are a bit on the crazy side. The “Founders” did not put “Creator” in the Constitution and it has no place in American law or Constitutional Rights. Jefferson put it in the Declaration of Independence as a convenient term for dealing with the Christian King of England and justifying his take on John Locke’s “life, liberty, and property” but the Declaration is not part of American law, it’s just an Instrument of Separation from the British Empire. “Rights” are only rights when they are backed-up with enforcement. The Founders listed what they agreed the People of America should have as Rights in the Constitution along with creating the mechanisms for enforcing them. If some “god” had given men Rights then he/she/it would have to reach down and enforce them, otherwise they were not “rights” at all. I haven’t seen that happen: have you?
Are Constitutional Rights only for Americans? Did your “God” give them only to us? Are we special or do they apply to everyone? If the Rights are “God-given” then all the illegal aliens have 2A Rights, too – right? What about the Rights added after God spoke to James Madison (he had to, right, or else Madison wouldn’t’ve known what to write in the Constitution) and then spoke to all the other Founders (‘though Ben Franklin, being an Atheist, probably didn’t hear him) to tell them what they had to agree to? Are those Rights also God-given and, if so, why didn’t He tell Madison et. al. about them in the first place? Did He make a boo-boo? So much for infallibility…
Men take the Rights they fight to secure and fight to keep. When they stop fighting to keep them, they lose them. Our Founders fought to secure certain Rights for themselves and their progeny – no mythological beings involved. You belittle their strength, their will, their accomplishments, and their sacrifices every time you attribute what they achieved to this “God” you worship. Talk about “stolen valor”…
Ignorant and ridiculous to even ask the question
They already suffer from mental issues so, yes take away their guns.
I can’t believe this insane question even came up. What the hell are these assholes afraid of where they want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. So much for
2 A
“Shall not be infringed” unless the Hitler youth thinks you’re one of the subhumans that don’t deserve rights. Cool.
Maybe we should be giving trans folks *more* guns to resist the people who’d like to line them up on a mass grave.
Hear, hear Mr. J, I agree with you. If ever there were hypocrites when it comes to gun rights it was the ignorant bigots of the NRA. I am willing to bet if they had replaced the word Transgender with Democrats, or Catholics, or Muslims, or Agnostics, or Atheists, or Blacks or Asians or all of the above the NRA members would have also recommended confiscation. Their ignorance, and bigotry are lock step with the book Mein Kampf.
“… ignorant bigots of the NRA.”
Thought you were an NRA member?
I made a generalization to prove a point. Are all NRA members bigots, no and I am a living example of that statement.
I to am over 60 and believe if a person, transgender or not, can legally own a firearm they are protected by the 2nd amendment. Discrimination by sexual orientation should not be a reason for confiscation. Thanks for allowing me to speak my personal opinion.
But the crazy CAN”T legally own a firearm and all that’s missing here is a judge’s signature adjudicating them mentally defective, as should be done with ALL so-called “trans” people. It’s not about “sexual orientation” as that refers to whom a person is sexually attracted. I don’t think gays are crazy, just men who think they’re women or women who think they’re men, (who are both delusional).
I think that’s like asking should people with blue eyes have their right to bear arms taken away, or all people with blonde hair, that’s just absurd. I think probably the people who think that they should have their rights taken away just because they’re transgender should be the ones who lose their firearm rights cuz they’re idiots and they were probably be the ones who were behind the trigger the next time.
Really, 22% for confiscation and another 28% on the fence? I’m ashamed of my fellow NRA members! What part of ‘Shall not be infringed ‘ do they not understand? If you can make exceptions like this for them, what’s to stop someone else from making YOU the exception? Everybody has the God given right to defend themselves and whether you agree with how someone lives or not, they deserve that same right! What other rights would they deprive their fellow citizens?…free speech, voting, due process???
Kind of scary how high a percentage of people that would advocate stripping constitutional rights from people who think differently but nevertheless have posed no danger to other people.
They don’t “think differently”, they are delusional. Delusional people are dangerous, period, and should not have access to firearms. Have you ever had a guy in a dress swing on you because you called him “dude” and throw a screaming hissy-fit? Believe to be true that which is demonstrably false and you are delusional. The delusional are often violent when their delusion gets broken. I am under no obligation to cater to their delusion nor will I ever acknowledge their fantasy as reality. They’re crazy and crazy people – especially those with a type of crazy that easily lends itself to violence – should be barred from being armed, period!
I personally am quite skeptical of the transgender movement, but regardless of what their sex, gender, or spur of the moment fantasy whim might be, if they were born American citizens with 2A RIGHTS, and have committed no crime which would revoke those rights, then if they are human, a US citizen, not a felon, and otherwise behaving as an intelligent citizen, then they have 2A rights the same as left-handed people, or Catholics, or American-born Muslims, or D.B. Cooper (he was neither captured nor convicted). Revoking gun rights to transgenders is part of the same mentality that Bernie Sanders uses to restrict them; namely, just disarm anyone you don’t like. I am disappointed that younger generations have such a high intolerance for someone, based on sexual preference, and I think the lack of combat experience makes the younger generation less tolerant. In a combat situation, you don’t care if the guy who has your back is gay, you care if he can shoot or not. I do support the ban of male athletes, who have chosen to become dickless, from competition in women’s sports. My outlook may be skewed in that I knew real men, uncles from WWII (the greatest generation), and my own Vietnam experience, and am blessed to have been born and raised in a state where knowing how to hunt and shoot was just presumed “normal”, and I am ashamed of any NRA members adopting any position against 2A rights based on their own intolerances. We should be intelligent enough to stay out of this fray. Learn to pick your fights. ole Joe
Well yeah!!! These people are Mentally Ill !!!! When they fill out the 4473 they need to check the Mentally Ill section as a yes!! Since they don’t then they should be arrested for falsifying the form!!!
What you be opposed to democrats declaring all republicans as being mentally ill and stripping them of their constitutional rights? Who gets to declare others as being mentally ill? The government? Doctors that disagree with each other? You? Or maybe there should be clear indications that someone has or will pose a danger.
The Dems in the press and a lot in the congress already feel this way and have said so publicly.
What would be the basis for that declaration?
If a person believes to be true that which is demonstrably false, they are delusional. If a guy believes he’s a girl while holding his penis in his hand, he’s delusional. Delusions are a mental illness. Gender dysphoria was also a listed mental illness until liberals not long ago got it delisted (another one of those nonsensical things they do so often in furtherance of their agenda to destroy America and remake it in their batshit-crazy ideal). Delusional people quite often react violently when their delusion is pierced, sometimes going into a full-on psychotic break. Refuse to cater to someone’s delusion out in the wild and you’ll likely get attacked. There is a preponderance of evidence that would suggest they are too dangerous to be allowed to have guns – just like drug addicts, they can’t be trusted.
No one should have any rights taken away unless there is clear and legal evidence that they are a danger. This is a slippery slope.
No surprise NRA members are split between those who side with upholding constitutional rights for all on one side, and hypocrites on the other side projecting their fear-based sexist ideology wanting to control and take away the rights of others. Those who would give up essential Liberty for Safety deserve neither. You either support constitutional gun rights or you don’t.
It’s not sexist because it has no basis in one’s actual sex. It’s based solely on mental health, (or, rather, a lack thereof).
This is a loaded subject, but here goes. Many people believe that at least some trans people have mental and emotional health issues, and events and their attitudes would seem to bear out that some do. Many people believe that some vets suffering from PTSD have emotional and mental health issues, and events such as the murders of Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield would seem to bear out that some do. But not every vet is a risk, nor is every trans person. If we ever get to the point where people are having their 2A rights taken from them simply because they belong to a group with a specific label, we’re on a slippery slope. Who makes that decision? What happens to due process? What prevents whatever group in power at the moment from targeting a group they don’t like? If a person is a violent felon or domestic abuser, that is one thing. They have specifically and individually done something to demonstrate they are a danger to society. My son’s girlfriend was murdered by her ex-husband, so I understand this. But just because someone is a vet, or is trans, or is black, or is a conservative is not a justification to strip them of their rights. The Constitution and Second Amendment cover everyone equally.
Considering so called trans people are mentally and or spiritually ill I would say yes. You don’t let psychopaths have weapons.
Shouldn’t let bigots have them either, but here you are.
Silly liberal. You’re beyond delusional. Be nice when kindvis no longer in the earth, just like Delaware potatoes and homos. Enjoy the fire.
Jesus said put them to death. Leviticus 20:13 They are worthy of death according to Gods law the Bible.
Regarding the article, “Should Transgenders Have Their Firearms Confiscated?” My response is ‘Heck No’. No one should have their firearms confiscated based on gender or sexual preference. What a stupid article. However, individuals (Male, Female, or Transgender) that have shown signs of being a danger to the community should be considered for firearms confiscation.
Considering it’s an illness, no, they shouldn’t.
if a citizen of the US has no indictments or charges for endangering others or even threatening, then just as i am entitled to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms, then so or they. it is the law for all. but the rules must be applied to each person’s circumstances.. just because i dont like someone’s life choices or political stance doesnt give me the right to deny them their rights AND vice versa!
So, if a schizophrenic who hears voices telling him to rape, torture, and kill people just hasn’t yet gotten around to doing it yet so has no charges against him, wants to go out and buy a few guns and a couple cases of ammo, he should be allowed to do it, right?
Crazy people shouldn’t have guns!
As much as I’d like to say they should, this would open the door for ‘selective’ disarmament. So no… But if they are going to do these unconstitutional so-called RED FLAG laws, they should put transgenders and homosexuals at the top of the list. Those people already demonstrate a mental problem.
This is an interesting question. Personally, as a conservative, Christian, constitutional carry American, personal rights are not negated because of one’s sexual choices. All the 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment and on still are sacrosanct. Now, along this same line, those rights come at a high price of responsibility. True Freedom is based on personal responsibility. Each person is responsible AND accountable for their actions – their freedoms. As such, I would not have any issue with there being a psychological requirement. I see this as something that one would go to one’s family doctor or psych to have a “narrow” questionnaire completed. I can even see a very specific background check of friends, relatives and acquaintances looking specifically for specific mental red flags.
“Sexual choices” are who you wanna sleep with, not who you wanna get yourself chemically & surgically mutilated to more closely resemble!
Are you freaking kidding me!!!!
Anyone who thinks they should be disarmed is as much of a gun grabber as the worst liberal. People have a God given, Constitutionally recognized right to keep and bear arms EXCEPT for under very specific circumstances.
If a trans person is depressed to the point where they represent a danger to themselves or others, then Government must go through the same process they would use to disarm a straight person. You judge the person’s rationality the same way you would judge s straight person’s rationality.
Seriously, the fact that this is even a question is very very disturbing to ME. It’s embarrassing that anyone in the gun community would even ask such a question. Just terrible.
And one of those very specific circumstances is when someone is crazy and a danger to others because of it. Have you ever seen a 6’4″, 250lb guy in a dress physically attack someone for calling him “sir”? I have…
Crazy people shouldn’t be armed, are too dangerous to be allowed to be armed.
2A for everyone means 2A for everyone
Anyone who votes, or believes, that Transgender status means that that individual is not entitled to own, or possess, a firearm, even though they have not committed a crime with a weapon, has no right to own, or possess a weapon themselves, because they are bigoted!
If you believe that any person of any classification, or gender that you disagree with has no right to have a firearm, even though they have committed no crime, then you should not be a part of the NRA, because you are no different than a Democrat or anti-gun crowd participant!
Maybe we should take away your guns.
Headline should read, “Americans poll on whether or not other Americans should retain their constitutional rights.” Everyone is entitled to their rights whether or not you like them. That would be called discrimination if you violated their rights.
The FBI still hasn’t released the Nashville Tranny shooter’s manifesto that they have had for almost a year and a half now. Why not? If they ever release it (don’t hold your breath), then the question of whether Transgenders should have their firearms confiscated should be seriously debated.
I’m an expert in the field of transgenders and why they shouldn’t own guns. Please contact me for a follow up.
If you claim to be an advocate for gun rights and say they should be disarmed, you are a hypocrite. Regardless of what lifestyles you support or don’t, the only reason anyone should be disarmed is if a legitimate threat of violence exists by a specific individual, same as anyone else. “Rights for me, but not for thee” is something a Democrat would say.
Once you start confiscation you open the door for all hun confiscation.
Just like anyone else they keep their weapons unless they break the law.
Form 4473 has a question regarding mental health history. Since LGBT are abnormal, their mental health is questionable. If they don’t check that mental health box, they are falsifying the form.
Let’s tread VERY lightly on who’s gun rights you say should be taken!
You start with the trans folks and it could end with all of losing our gun rights.
Especially if orange jesus is ever given the reins of power again.
And don’t trans have fought in every war of this country has ever fought starting with the Revolutionary War.
What does gender have to do with 2A? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. As an NRA-certified firearms instructor for over 40 years, I was a staunch NRA supporter and member but I am ashamed of what they have become.
Of course we shouldn’t take guns away based on any characteristics like sexual orientation or race or gender. That’s fucking insanity.
Are these trans people violent? do they have a violent criminal history? If not, nothing else about them really matters imo.
Considering that many of the so called “mass shooters” were transgender, this is a possibility. When ATF put “non=binary” on the 4473, most gun dealers saw that as offering the sale of guns to people with mental issues. These people take gender altering hormones that affect their judgement which can be dangerous.
Have you ever delt with someone that is deep on menopause and isn’t getting treatment. Major mood swings and usually anger which doesn’t play nice with life firearms. People that literally think they are another sex should be rated as a drug user and should be further evaluated before selling them a firearm.
Gender identification dysphoria disorder is a mental health disease as listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV. Therefore it is my belief that transgender folk should be denied access to firearms.
Curious that there is scientific evidence to show that transgenders suffer high incidences of depression, self-injury, suicidal ideation, suicide plans, suicide attempts, 60% greater incidence of mental incidence that straight men or women, yet the Obama and Biden administration targeted Veterans and social security disability recipients who were unable to manage their finances as persons not deserving of 2nd Amendment Rights. Sources: MentalHealthFirstAid.org, kff.org.
So basically folks are saying that mentally ill folks should be able to have guns. I tend to disagree.
These people have severe mental disorders and have no business being anywhere near firearms much less being able to access them. When an individual is born you are male or female. No amount of drugs will EVER change that!
No law-abiding citizen should have their firearms confiscated. That is unconstitutional and sets a very bad and dangerous precedent.
Yes transgender people are erratic and can’t be trusted with a weapon
Proven time and time again
2A is for everyone who has not committed a violent crime, regardless of race, gender, orientation, political affiliation, nationality, etc. anything less and it is no longer a Right but a Privilege to select classes. That is the entire reason it is there.
What does gender have to do with propensity towards criminal activity?
Filled with ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS! per Romans 1. That’s why Jesus gave us Leviticus 20:13 and they deserve death.
These people are not happy. In their minds, Changing their gender will solve this problem.when the gender change does not solve the problem it only exacerbates the anger. Anger leads to violence. Time and again many of these individuals will strike out in anger when mis-gendered. This is a mental illness, called sexual dystopia. Mentally ill people should not own guns.
Having a mental case when one is not comfortable in there true birth sex is a MENTAL INSTABILITY .
HELL YES NO GUNS FOR MENTAL QEERS.
Jesus put the death penalty for qweers.
Any warped religion that advocates murder is no religion at all. Best to take it and use it for toilet paper and then flush it down the drain.
The King James Bible is ALWAYS RIGHT. They are worthy of death according to Romans 1. Not a thing you can do change what the sodomites gets in eternity.
If “It” doesn’t know what “It” is “It” definitely has a serious mental issue and should NEVER be allowed to own a weapon of any type.
Leviticus 20:13ed. Problem solved.
Sorry but many of us do not participate in prayer, ritual, incantations, or smear read ochre on our bodies and dance naked by the light of the moon. Nor do we burn witches at the stake.
Any warped religion that advocates murder is no religion at all. It’s best used for toilet paper and flushed down the drain.
dacian from what you believe about Jesus Christ, then you will enjoy the fire that will never be quenched.
According to Jesus who literally is the Living Word of God and the legal King of the earth, putting sodomites to death is a 100% legal killing and it is the duty of the civil government to execute those legal death penalties. No pun intended.
quote—————–According to Jesus who literally is the Living Word of God and the legal King of the earth, putting sodomites to death is a 100% legal killing and it is the duty of the civil government to execute those legal death penalties. No pun intended.———–quot
You follow “one sick” religion.
Please explain how your Prophet did not show up until thousands of years “after” other religions had preceded him and how your religion is only a copy of what came before. There is nothing at all new in Christianity that was not tried or practiced or believed in centuries before. Your religion is a “Johnny come lately” on the scene.
In reality of there was “life after death” that would be “Hell”. You could compare life after death to being locked up a room with a TV Set. You could see other living people but not communicate with them, you could not enjoy a meal, could not take up a hobby, could not marry, could not have a profession, and could not help others in need. One should hope that there is no life after death as it would offer a person only eternal misery.
I might add there is “zero” evidence of “life after death”. In fact, “life after death” is contrary to the laws of the Universe as “nothing” lasts forever. Even the planets and the stars that have a life span of billions of years have a mortality so one can see that nothing lasts forever.
Man, invented religion because he has never had “control” over nature and has always been at its mercy. Man, also cannot accept the fact that when one dies, he ceases to exist. Man is terrified of his mortality and religion is a way to fool himself into believing he will live forever,
When one looks at the Christian Bible so much of it has proven to be just an attempt by primitive, uneducated people to try and explain how the world came to be. Science has disproven the Christian bible but man always finds an excuse to still go on believing in at least some of it.
And once again most of the greatest minds who ever existed discounted the notion that there is life after death. Many religions that were in existence before some of the greatest minds who ever lived were born had come to a similar conclusion by stating only the God’s lived forever and man was only mortal so eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die.
Of course you will never read Thomas Paine’s book “The Age of Reason”. Although it is hilarious his book also proves how many errors were in the Christian Bible and how many contradictions between chapters are in it and how it certainly had no divine inspiration.
If I wanted to be religious, I would follow a “civilized religion” such as Buddhism as they believe that “all life is sacred”. Too bad the Christians did not also copy that from Buddhism. The Founders of Christianity lost millions of future converts over that screw up.
Christianity is no more or less crazy than any of the other religions worshipping imaginary gods. Christians just like to put everything on Jesus because they mostly ignore the Old Testament, where it was God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah because of their wickedness in things like men laying with men and women laying with women…
There is no Afterlife. Been dead, twice. Didn’t see shit.
Men create gods out of ignorance and fear. Men create religions to take advantage of those creations of ignorance and fear as a means of gaining power over others, power that they would be unable to achieve by other means.