It’s a banner day for pump shotguns.
We have waited a long time for this. Today, I am happy to report about the greatest leap forward in pump shotguns I have seen in my lifetime. This miracle of engineering is named the Remington 870 DM (Detachable Magazine). This has been a long time coming, and I am beyond excited to see it come from Big Green.
As an American, we tend to fall into one of two camps with pump guns. Either you are a Remington 870 fan, or a Mossberg 500 fan, which usually comes down to where you like the safety. I have been in the Remington camp since an early age. I don’t hate Mossbergs. I just like Remington better. And God knows Remington needed a win. There have been more than a few debacles over the last few years, some of which I have reviewed for GunsAmerica. Because of my longstanding love of the 870, I expect a lot from Big Green. And today, it looks like they delivered.
New Age for the Remington 870
Full disclosure, this gun has my full faith not because I pulled it out of the box and shot a couple rounds. Let’s be honest, such a radical departure for a pump gun requires more in-depth testing than a few days. I can say without question this shotgun will run because I did some of the Beta testings with it months ago. Given my reputation for speaking the truth, I told Remington from day one I would be beating the absolute living shit out of this gun if they wanted my stamp of approval.
As fast as I could shoot them, I burned up 600 rounds of mixed shells. Remington must’ve taken my previous review personally because over half of it was high brass pheasant loads. I did all kinds of terrible things to that gun. I tried to melt the plastic magazine follower. I pumped it by dropping it on the ground from eye level. I tossed it into a pond to cool it off so I could keep going. And it didn’t hiccup on me once.
Time will tell, but I think Remington has batted one out of the park here.
870 DM Tactical/Predator
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I will refrain from describing a Remington 870 here. If you haven’t seen one, welcome to the United States. We also have grocery stores, air conditioning, and horse-less carriages you might want to check out.
SPECS — 870 DM
- Type: Magazine-fed pump shotgun
- Capacity: 6-Round Detachable Magazine
- Features: Tactical Corn-cob forend
- Barrel: 18.5 in. /w extended ported tactical choke
- Sights: XS Steel (front); Ghost Ring (rear)
- MSRP: $529
870 DM Magpul
- Type: Magazine-fed pump shotgun
- Capacity: 6-Round Detachable Magazine
- Features: Magpul MOE M-LOK forend
- Barrel: 18.5 in. /w extended ported tactical choke
- Sights: XS Steel (front); Ghost Ring (rear)
- MSRP: $799
870 DM Tactical/Predator
- Type: Magazine-fed pump shotgun
- Capacity: 3 & 6-Round Detachable Magazine
- Features: Overmolded SurShot Thumbhole Stock w/ SuperCell Recoil Pad
- Barrel: 18.5 in. /w two Trulock Extended Chokes (Boar Blaster & Turkey/Predator)
- Sights: XS Steel (front); Ghost Ring (rear)
- Finish: Kryptek Highlander Camo
- MSRP: $799
870 DM TAC-14
- Type: Magazine-fed pump shotgun
- Capacity: 6-Round Detachable Magazine
- Features: Shockwave Grip & Magpul Forend
- Barrel: 14 in.
- Sights: Bead sight
- MSRP: $559
There are going to be many configurations available for the new 870DM, in the future probably as many as there are now for 870 regulars. We received a single test model, and I can’t find a single fault in the choices made for the tactical version. The furniture is Magpul, a fantastic choice.
A few years back, the Magpul 870 dress up kit made some serious waves. The stock is a perfect length out of the box for me and uses spacers to change the length of pull. Drop two spacers, and you are set up for shooting while wearing armor. The stock is ambidextrous, with sling attachment points on both sides. The angle of the grip is ergonomically improved, and in my opinion is better than a true pistol grip. The fore end feels great in the hand, has a hand stop at either end for rapid manipulation, and is M-LOK compatible for accessories.
Tactical Versions
The tactical version features an 18.5-inch barrel, to keep us on the legal side. This is obviously the best choice if you don’t want to deal with a Short Barrel Shotgun NFA ordeal, and I don’t. Neither do most people. Preinstalled is a tactical breacher choke in cylinder bore. This choke not only makes it easier to plant the barrel for blasting doorknobs, it is ported to help with recoil. A nice feature in a dedicated tactical gun. Instead of the usual bead front with a prayer for a rear, Remington installed XS ghost ring sights.
Maybe not ideal for flying birds, but they worked great for slugs and steel target engagements. If you have ever needed to take a rifle type shot with a shotgun, you know what a necessity a full set of sights are. Excellent choice Remington. I am impressed. Also in the positive category, this model comes with a Picatinny rail mounted on top of the receiver. The iron sights are nice, but most of us prefer a red dot. The 870DM is ready to accept your favorite holographic out of the box.
Magazines
Obviously, the big question is, “ How do the magazines work?”. Because this is a pump action, the traditional tube under the barrel remains. The pump has to have something to slide on, so why change this? The difference is, it’s no longer a magazine tube. Over the top of the old bottom load port is what looks like an overgrown magazine well. This is bolted on through the receiver, taking the place of what was previously one of the trigger pins.
The magazine fits in here, with the magazine retaining parts covering the old tube entrance. So basically, the magazine takes the place of the lifter and feeds shells directly to the bolt when you pump the gun. Overall, it adds a little bit of weight, but also distributes it in a different way. A fully loaded gun is no longer front heavy, at the cost of a few ounces of metal added to the middle. Because the magazine well would have almost covered the old action release lever, a new oversized lever takes its place. The same spot, so if you are an 870 shooter, the controls are familiar. In front of the magazine is a huge magazine release button. Exactly the opposite of an AK-47 magazine release as far as positioning goes. It works well but does require a bit of practice due to its location.
The magazines themselves are also well thought out. The strength of any weapon is the magazine that feeds it. There is a reason so many other weapons use Glock or AR-15 magazines, and it isn’t just popularity. Those designs have proven to be extremely reliable and durable, ask anyone with a pre-assault weapons ban stack. I have magazines that old I still use, and so do many others. Magazine design is extremely important, especially in a platform that has never been done. The 870 DM magazine is like nothing else, which tells us Big Green thought this through. The mag is all steel, and not some thin sheet hunk of garbage. There is some heft to it, and in this case, I see that as a good thing. The bottom half of the magazine has a thick overlay of plastic, both to increase grip ability and insulate the internals from shock when dropped. The spring is resilient, it takes some force to load to capacity. From what I see so far, I give Remington an A+ on magazine design for this one.
Why is this design so novel?
So why exactly am I so hot and bothered by this new 870 DM? Aren’t I the same guy that said less than 2 years ago I prefer rifles for home defense and tactical use? Yes, I am. And generally speaking, if you have a choice, I stand by that. But there are many reasons to like this new gun.
For starters, I said I like rifles better than shotguns, but many people are still going to prefer a shotgun. You’re a grown assed man or woman, that is your choice. I prefer light coffee too, we are all entitled to our opinion. But this gun being magazine fed pretty much negates my reloading argument. You can reload this shotgun just as fast as you can your AR, or close enough to make the difference moot. Magazine fed also means you can change the type of shells in the gun without some 17 step tactical ninja move that only works on the range, and only at the best of times then. Pretty handy for police officers, that might need to go from riot rounds to lethal ones quickly. Or for tactical work, from buckshot to slugs quickly. The hardest part of any tactical shotgun course prior to this was keeping your beast fed. That is no longer an issue.
Saftey First Another Reason to Love the 870 DM
The other benefits are more specialized, but they do matter. When I was teaching CQB, the hardest part of the shotgun instruction was manual of arms. Soldiers pretty much only use shotguns for breaching doors. ( By the way, those guns were Remington 870’s too.) This is probably hysterical to the cops and duck hunters in our audience, but most SF soldiers have never shot a shotgun when they show up to CQB school. Hell, the first gun I ever bought was an 870, and I was far from an expert by the time I started kicking doors. The point is, if you really think about it, using a pump shotgun requires a lot of steps.
SOP where I taught, and most units I know of, was to run a shotgun with a dry husk in the chamber. That is cruiser ready for you LE guys. Tube loaded, chamber empty, trigger pulled on the empty, safety off. That way when you need to use it, all you do is rack the pump, shoot, and off you go. If you accidentally chamber a live round, safety goes on, stow the gun, and get it back to dry husk when you have time. Obviously, a lot can go wrong. I saw more negligent discharges with shotguns than any other three weapons put together. The magazine fed version will make this much easier on everyone. Drop magazine. Set up gun. Insert magazine. Now you are good to go. And clearing the weapon is now extremely similar to clearing an M-4.
Current Offerings
Magazines are currently a 6 round capacity, but I bet we see 10 and 3 very soon. This is another huge benefit to the soldier. Our breaching guns were extremely short, the tubes held 3. Looking at the new magazine, 3 would almost be a flush fit on the mag well, which is awesome. I, and many of my brethren have been to “block parties” in the GWOT that lasted all night. I preferred to call that trick or treating, but block party won the naming convention. Mountains of doors blown, and reloading the breach gun gets old quick. It would be awesome to have the 3 capacity for normal days, and go to 10 for the nights that get crazy. The 870 DM ships with 1 magazine, availability of extras not known at this time.
This also has a benefit for the young guy that needs an all-purpose gun. Current retail on the 870 DM is about $700, but that is still cheaper than a good rifle. Combine that with the fact that many states prohibit rifles for hunting, and you see why those light on cash might only have a 12 gauge. It does triple duty for deer, ducks, and home defense. The new 870 DM being magazine fed makes it a much better choice for the defensive role and propels it to a viable combat weapon. Not my first choice, but it would get the job done better than it’s predecessors.
Lasting Impressions
This is a great day for 870 fans, and I am happy to find myself applauding Remington. This gun works great, the magazine system is great, and shooting this thing is guaranteed to make you smile. The DM model is like a boyhood dream come true. This looks like a turning point for Big Green, and I recommend you get one of these quick. No way they are going to be able to keep up with the demand the 870DM creates.
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Do you know if you can convert this magazine fed set up back to a tube fed without much fuss?
I enjoy your videos, Clay! Admittedly, I am biased as a retired Army guy. My shoulders are damaged from parachute injuries. Although I own a Mossberg 930 SPX .12 GA, I assigned that weapon to my son in the odd even of SHTF/WROL. We have a few Modern Sporting Rifles and an 870 in .20 GA for the family members that are somewhat “recoil sensitive”.
Aw what the hell- a lap full of magazines and bring on the Snow Geese……..
It strikes me as little more than a novelty but if someone wants one that’s fine, go ahead and buy one but enough with all the macho cool BS– tactical, breaching choke, LOP adjustable for use of body armor, CQB, suppressive fire (that one in the comments gets the biggest laugh from me), etcetera.
What a bonehead article. Remington waited until Black Aces established a market (and others) then tries to capitalize on it! What rock have you been under? DBM modifieds have been made on 870’s since at least the early 90’s. They still have the same old problem…the mags are too big to tote easily. When you run out of mags you either got a single-shot or a fancy metal stick. Surely with the available technology today somebody/somewhere can design a smaller spring with enough gusto to lift 10 or more shot shells in a much smaller package. Until then, don’t give credit to Remington for other people’s innovation.
Having been a collector of Remington rifles for over 50 years and doing a good deal of research about the history of the company through its current owners, I can safely conclude they have no vision for the future. This works as well as bringing out another 1911, the Remington Keene, Lee, and Model 30 rifle marketing failures, or a $200 .380 pistol that people will only buy because its so cheap. They had an innovative shotgun called the 105 Cti but could not seem to get it right. Their failures make collecting interesting. (Note to Remington: the Russians already designed a pretty good semi-auto box fed shotgun, give that a try)
Interesting concept. Not for me. I’m sure they will sell plenty to those folks who need or want to put down some suppressive fire with a shotgun.
Adaptive tactical makes a conversion kit for a Mossberg 500 to use magazines. It’s not to difficult to do but does make the muzzle heavy. Having a magazine built from the start shotgun will probably be a better idea. Not sure why it took so long to do this. I seem to remember, well old guys do have memory issues) a few bolt action shotguns with magazines. Can’t remember for sure if they were fed from the top or had a detachable magazine. Never the less I have one on order for when they start shipping.
I remember my father had a bolt-action shotgun with detachable 3-round magazine…Got it around 1942 for his 10th birthday. Don’t remember any brand name stamped on it, but mom got rid of it after dad died…wish I could’ve stopped her because it would be a great piece to have today
Where can I find a 6 round magazine
I’ll pass thank you!
My first gun was an 870 magnum riot made and purchased in the late 90’s early ’00. It is a great gun. The ’70s and ’80s Wingmasters that joined it are great guns. The 2016 870 Super Magnum I purchased last year is an unreliable steaming pile of roughly machined pot metal. Remington can polish their new 870s as much as they like, but until they return to their earlier standards I will only buy last century’s guns.
Agreed
The made for Walmart garbage they are producing has made it where I won’t look twice at anything newly manufactured with Remington on the side.
I have quality in some of their old firearms, they can keep the new ones.
As far as the subject of this article, no thank you very much.
Well it’s a pretty cool concept, and typical comment from a retired LE officer. Thanks for your service; however the 870 as a tactical shotgun works and has for decades, but like wheel guns, there are better alternatives out there. If you have to have a shotgun that’s a pump, no better police squad car gun than a KelTec. It holds a ton more rounds, and it’s a much smaller package for patrol vehicle storage and a much better shotgun to have to run with and stow on your body when you have to transition to either your pistol or a TASER. Of course nothing says FUC_ you like rolling out of the patrol car and unloading with a semi automatic shotgun. Yes they are more complicated, but holy shit fire, when you need to lay down copious amounts of double 00 to keep a shit birds head down, it works. Time to sell those old 870s to the small less funded departments and step into the 21st century. Old cops are impossible to get on the modernization train, but we always have to get out gunned before we realize shit isn’t working. Yes I’m a current road patrol officer and have been for 21 years, and I’m sick and tired of carrying an 870 in my car with a shell holder on the stock picking up Fritos crumbs and dirt because its what ” We’ve always used”. Well we used candles for a few hundred years, then we moved away from that. I’m not carrying that shotgun, if I live for 200 years for that long a time.
I concur. The 870 Wingmaster was my first firearm ever, I own them in multiple calibers and models. However; I’ve taken a tactical shotgun class with a Kel-Tec KSG and while everyone else is reloading, I’ve still got rounds to spare and can select between buckshot and slugs with the flip of a switch. I also recently took both the 870 Marine Magnum and the KSG to the range to try out higher powered loads and reduced recoil loads, the kick on the KSG is MUCH softer across the board than the 870 when using a forward vertical grip on the KSG, it gets absorbed through both arms (two pistol grips) and both shoulders rather than just one shoulder. Combine that with the compact design and a rail mounted EOTech and the practical use of the KSG wins hands down. The 870 Marine Magnum was retired to the safe and I got another KSG. The only thing that would make the KSG better would be a semi-auto version of it.
Probably not any better than any of the other scrap trash built by Remington since they moved down here to Alabama and brought their trash DPMS along. Don’t bother. They won’t honor warranty on their trash.
Great Review from a Lover of The 870. I shot a few used shotguns (heck my first few at around age 14 were bolt actions, and I still Love a SXS) until I could buy new. I picked up the new Win 12 or 1200 or whatever it was called around 46 or so years ago. Hated it, and traded for my 870 W Master which I still shoot today, or about 45 years later. 3″, and 30″ Full, but for upland I had a 21.25″ (I’m thinking the Law was 21″ back then) barrel made with an adjustable choke. Great Land Bird or rabbit gun with the 21 inch barrel. Back then we did a lot of road hunting as we moved from field to field, and a guy can move a 21 inch barrel so darn easy. About a year ago I got around to shooting my first semi-auto scatter gun, and much to my surprise it was just a little faster in my slightly older hands. I figure in about 25 years at age 90 I will have to Gift my 870, but until then it is really the only Scatter Gun I need. Someone asked what use this gun would have for the average hunter, well I am 110% sure that any 870 Barrel will slip right on, so this gun can be a Jack Of All Shooters…………… Thanks Dave, Wait, PS: a few months back I wrote about the Butt Crack Holster as Clay was having some fitting problems. I have carried for a little over 40 years, and I suggested a reverse grip position Butt Crack Holster. Your knuckles slide against your back as you palm the piece, and swing it out my strong or right side. I make mine, and trust me they work. The Barrel drops down between your cheeks, yep simple as that, a 1911 Long Slide, no problem. A Charter 45acp, a little wide, but I can wear it all day long. I have it one right now and basically don’t notice it. I went back to a wheel for carry as I just forget to keep the semi clean, and they get dirty walking around with you all day.
Is there anyway to use both the tube and the cartridge? To empty your tube and then use the cartridge as a back up or vice a versa after your cartridge pull your cartridge out use what’s in the tube as your second Back up?
Cartridge? I think you mean the “magazine.” There are other choices out there with rotating magazine tubes that will give you more capacity without the magazine sticking down 8-10″ (depending on magazine capacity). It’s all a matter of preference. Since you can’t get more than one magazine right now, there doesn’t seem to be any value in this.
I had the same question, “would the weapon feed from the tubular magazine when the detachable mag was empty?” I believe he addressed this in the video, stating that one of the pins on the detachable mag well went through the tubular cavity. I assume that there are higher capacity box magazines, as an extended tube on an older model Remington actually holds more rounds than the boxed mags that Clay used on the video.
I am retired LE and am trying to figure out why I would want one of these over a conventional 870. Topping off a tube fed 870 is fast and easy. I have done it at night while on the move with the gun still at my shoulder and a live round in the chamber. I dont see much of an increase in reloading speed making this worthwhile. Also if you run dry with an tube 870 in a gun fight you just toss a round in the empty chamber and slam it home. If the round is pointed in the right direction it will chamber. I dont know if thats possible with this or not. The round may need to be picked up from the mag? The round capacity isn’t enough to make it worthwhile for me. An extended tube offers the same or more. If this held 20 rounds i could see a benefit to it but then I probably wouldn’t want to carry it because of the weight. I was never once issued slugs for a shotgun in all my years. Always buckshot, either 00 or number four buck. If we wanted range we had rifles for that. So the swapping between slugs and buck wasn’t an issue in all three places I worked. Others may have a need for that I guess. I don’t like the thought of carrying lethal and non lethal mags. That could be a recipe for disaster for both the suspect or the cop if you got them mixed up some dark night in the heat of the moment. Being loaded down with large heavy mags is certainly not a plus for a cop who is carrying to much gear on him already. Mags are a weak link no matter how well they are made. Some folks might have a use for this and if they do more power to them but I would much prefer a standard 870 over this. Especially for police work.
Well, maybe back in your day you weren’t issued slugs but we are now and have been for the last decade. Manual of arms is that we pattern our shotguns at different ranges with 00 buck with Flite Control wads and when all pellets won’t hold on a qualification target, we switch to slugs. Usually its close to 20 yards with issued shotguns.
Obviously you don’t see a need for this but there are plenty of us still taking people to jail who do. Thanks for your service but don’t judge everyone’s needs by your out of date experience.
I’m with you, Tom. I don’t see an advantage with a box magazine that only holds 6 rounds. The extended versions of both Remington and Mossberg hold 7 or 8 now. Good point about the tactical reload. I have Side Saddles on my shotguns for that very reason. Thanks for your service!
Tom: I agree. Also, I would like to see us all get out to the range more and become a better shot and more conversant with our weapons. We are overly dependent today on gadgets rather than skill.
“Beware the man with one gun. He knows how to use it.”
If it ain’t broke…. I run an extended tube old 1100 Magnum for home defense. Wife likes the Winchester Defender, she gets 20 rds. of Aguila mini-shotshells in it. Minis won’t cycle the 1100, it needs high-base full power rds. I don’t see Minis working to increase capacity in a magazine.
great, thought, i don’t need one either
I agree. My extended tube gives me 7+1 capacity, and I don’t have a clunky magazine hanging off the bottom. Plus, my wife’s backing me up with the AR! As it now stands, you only have 6 round capacity because extra mags aren’t available yet…
This is a huge Leap forward for shotguns? And Remington did it? Not Sidewinder years ago, or smaller other companies? Not to mention the Saigas and Veprs in different gauges, all mag fed and semi auto?
The Chinese have had a version of their 870 copy that is detachable box magazine fed for years. They tried to import it under the Hawk brand and were told no. This looks like a nice scatter gun but it’s not revolutionary by any stretch. I believe it was Beretta that is also going to be selling a box mag fed gun.
Interesting comments!-:) Mossberg will soon follow. I agree with some of the comments, especially that Rem seems to make not very good stuff any longer.
I have read a few comments saying “it’s about time someone made a reliable mag feed shotgun”…….Apparently they haven’t heard of a 10rd mag/drum feed pump that’s been out for years, “Adaptive Tactical”, based on the Maverick Security 88 model. I purchased one they built, not the conversion kit available. The mag well is welded in place very nicely (reason I purchased). They use the Venom Sidewinder mag and drum with nice tactical furniture, including a foregrip you can attach flashlight to (on top if you like) and still aim with the bead. I have never had a failure to fire and have used everything under the sun. I’m a Mossberg guy and of course this one has top safety. Not knocking the Remington, just throwing out there that other mag/drum pumps w/more capacity are available and ARE reliable.
Now, haveing a magazine stop for the barrel tube until the inserted mag was empty and being able to install on exsisting 870’s would be a dream come true…. let’s prioritize our nightly ambitions and go for gold.
The bolt-on magazine well looks like something a drunk mechanic built in their garage over a weekend. Incredibly cheap and shoddy looking, unfortunately typical of many recent Remington products.
hell yes,, would look great on an upland pheasant shotgun,,,the tactical boys will love it,,,,,,but i wont,,,,,,
Great review Clay! It looks like someone has made a mag-fed shotgun that works. Now, all you have to do is do another review on why someone outside of say, the military or possibly law enforcement, would want, or need one. It’s practicality seems rather limited.
Hell! I’d shoot it. Looks like a good time.
I would prefer a 11-87 with a extended 10 round tube. For me, too much plastic to carry for reloads.Plus I don’t like where the safety is. Never the less I hope it makes someone happy.
Shoot much? 3-gun, 2-gun or even plain shotgun matches. 10 rounds and the ability for a quick reload!! What a deal!!
That’s what converted Saigas are for…and the UTAS xtr-12 when they get their shit together.
Interesting, but the mag on the shorty would stick out of Tubbs’ suitcoat…
Remington has lost it’s base and every effort to get it back has failed. There 9mm pistol came out before it was ready. The trigger issue still haunts me…. Quality control is lacking as my Versa-max went for repairs the day I bought it.. Now my 2 cents on this shotgun. I have a 62′ Wingmaster, three barrels and mag extension that holds 10 rounds close to the barrel.. . A 10 round removable magazine would be awkward hanging down nearly a foot from the receiver. Yes you could easily change to buckshot from bird shot…..But the time it takes to switch the mag, I can load two rounds with one hand through the tube.. Those who are more practiced can load four rounds in one hand as fast as a Mag change. I guess this will work for some and good for them.
Great review !!
Can not wait to own one !!!
I think this a excellent idea! I want one for my 1100! 10 round mags would be nice also! Great article!!!!!
Didn’t Remington file for bankruptcy?
Can we say Black Aces Tactical. They have been doing magfed pump shotguns for years
I can’t believe somebody didn’t think of this a long time ago. Seems like a no brainer. Don’t really care for the manufacturer but the concept is good
For an old (73) Hunters viewpoint, it’s a pretty useless and dumb idea. Four rounds from the old reliable ‘tube’ feed, is plenty for anybody, including police and military. Don’t care for it, and won’t buy it.
So when you want to quickly switch shells from buckshot to slugs, do you empty your tube and reload? Why the negative attitude towards innovation? I feel the same way when my favorite restaurant adds a new item to its menu as well…why put a different type of cheese and meat on a sandwich that already tastes good enough to stop my hunger pains.
When do I want to quickly switch from shot to slugs? Pretty much never, ever. You see, I’m smart enough to know what I plan on shooting ahead of time. If I ever did want to quickly change, I will simply insert the new shell in the tube and rack the action – faster than you can a change your silly sucker’s gimmick of a magazine.
I agree. I’ve used a Wingmaster 870 for over 40 years and find that the addition of a mag is pretty stupid. With the plug removed I can move through a field or sit in a blind and after each round fired I can load another without ever taking my eyes off the targets. While quail hunting I can reload and always have a full tube. Even for the tactical versions it’s better to have the tube feed as there are no obstructions and even more dire would be if your mag fell out….you’d be merciless in a stressful situation.
Sure, because no tactical firearm EVER employs a detachable magazine. What a terrible idea!/s.
I love my 870s too and I look at the 870DM and it screams put a Hastings Paradox barrel with a Cantilever scope mount on me
for use as a Slug Gun for deer hunting Large magazine capacity under the receiver makes for a much better balanced shotgun as compared to 5 rounds in the tube.
I don’t like it looks just like the black gun Alta be ban be for it ever starts .not a hunting shotgun. It’s a people get here. 3 shot for birds & 5 for deer in reality a single shot is all a beginner needs .
If I translated your gibberish correctly, you’re calling for a ban on this particular pump shotgun while simultaneously instructing people on what they should be permitted to own.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Fudds have spoken…now ignore them. There are uses for a shotgun outside of hunting. Sadly, some people just can’t see past their nose to know what they are.
First, learn to type or write, and grammar.
Second, ANY alleged ‘gunner’ who states there should be a ban on such a minor alteration should be horse whipped in the stocks of a public square.
So, the 2nd is about hunting, is it?
Ignorant schmuck.
More than a bolt on modification.
Remington is also not the originator of these designs. DM’s are often RnD’ed for tubular and top-fed magazines without changing cycle of operations or any major components.
A pump 12ga isn’t anything new. I’ve had one tore a part laying on a table out in the garage for 23 years and 2 months. A friend gave it to me , it had a split stock and I was going to make a new one for it. I’ve put so much junk in the garage that I can’t even get to that table anymore. I’ve even forgotten the brand of it by now but I remember it has an adjustable choke made on the barrel and I got 2 or 3 mags with it.
To the guy that thinks leaving a magazine loaded hurts the spring … The springs are rated at “cycles” over their life span. Prolonged compression has nothing to do with it. That’s like saying a spring that hasn’t been compressed in 20 years wont compress now.
I’ve got an old GI 1911 mag that hasn’t been used in 23 years that is still fully loaded and the spring is still ready to feed. The shells are still tight against the fed lips.
The Model 12 that I got from my grandfather was kept loaded while he had it , he bought it new. I had it fully loaded for the 9 years that I had it before it was stolen. It never failed to feed and a lot of squirrels , rabbits and ducks could attest to that if they were still living.
Nice, except for price. $700 is getting into the semi auto AK and AR based offerings out there now. I for one have disdain for remington over the trigger debacle. If I am pumping a 12 gauge it will be a Western Field from Monkey Wards (a Mossberg 500) that my son received from my best friend, a ex Argentinian Special Forces,he was out and in US by Falklands dust up. Regardless of my personal disdain for anything marked Remington, or owned by current Hedge Fund shytes, I do hope that this is made in US and does well if only to keep US Citizens employed. Other than that I like that you provide full disclosure as to how you obtain products for review. Lovely scenery also in your video, as I look at thermometer hovering at -10 F.
Very good article, thank you. This truly was a long time coming. Since this is an 870, will a retrofit assembly be available in the future for older tube magazine models?
How much are the extra magazines going to cost. Does anyone know.
Clay
Great article on the 870 DM. I would like to send you a free mag carrier for you new DM.
Jim
Does the mag follower prevent bolt closure when mag is emptied? I.E. impede combat reload?
Is the old mag tube receiver end blocked so extra shells can be stored in the tube if desired?
The TAC-14DM will now match the Mossy’s capacity but looses the sleek profile. 10 Rounders might change the preference down the road. I still take the basic TAC-14 over the Mossy Shockwave even giving up one initial load shell.
Thanks for the News.
6 round magazines are way too small. A Remington 1187 automatic, with the magazine tune extension is much better. If they want to make a magazine that is useful, make it 10 round minimum. Carrying a lot of 6 round magazines and needing to change so often is not appealing.
where on earth would you need a 10 round shotgun mag. ?
Where 5 or 6 gangbangers are breaking into your house. It may be a long shot, but so is the need to ever draw and use your EDC handgun, but you still carry it,…just in case.
Wherever he wants. Would you like to elaborate further on how many rounds we should all be limited to, based on your subjective interpretation of our “needs”?
10 round magazines – lets say perhaps thirty of them – would be about right for your typical mall ninjas getting ready for the zombie apocalypse. After all, they are quite possibly the best trained (via video games) fighting force in the world!
The name Remington used to mean something. It used to inspire confidence in quality. Used to. Remington, like too many other good American names, has fallen from grace. Were my name Remington, I would be embarrassed to see my name on products like the 710, 770, 597, 887, RM380 and the R51, especially before they started working the kinks out of it. I might even feel a little embarrassed at a 783. Oh and what they have done to poor Marlin! I have seen outhouses with better wood-to-metal fitting than new 336s.
This monstrosity will probably be pretty popular despite being ugly. The mag well even looks a little like they bolted on an AR-15 mag well, which some people may even consider a good thing! It is not a bad idea in and of itself, I just don’t like the execution. It’s not even a good ugly like my beloved old Stevens 520. It might be a good functioning gun – really, how hard is it to screw up a pump shotgun? Oh that’s right, the 887. That’s how easy.
$529 for the basic model is quite a deal. A lot of other manufactures add some “custom” feature then jack up the price by a thousand dollars. The AR makers in particular. I like Remington’s efforts to keep their prices affordable. Not just on the 870 DM but most of their other new products, RP9, RM380, R51 – all good value for the money.
I would buy a Hi-point before either a RP9 or R51. Both of those pistols are garbage.
I wondered if this was going to happen eventually. My downer on shotguns for home defense was leaving rounds in the tube and permanently compressing the mag spring–which was never stout to begin with. Problem solved. Anyone know if you can still switch barrels out?
yes you can. and I will test later today, but it looks initially like any 870 barrel will fit the new DM models
How did that barrel swap Go? I assume all 870 compatible stocks work as well? I have a 20″ rifled slug barrel with sights that I woukd like to put on this receiver with a Knoxx SpecOps Gen 3 stock. My current 870 is running a 24″ ported, rifled, slug barrel made by Mossberg that also has a scope mounted on the cantilever.
Great review! Can’t wait to get a DM! THANKS Remington!