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New this year from Standard Manufacturing, known for its radical designs, comes the spiritual heir of the pepperbox pistol.
OVERVIEW
The S333 Volleyfire is one of the most unique guns you will ever shoot. Built with only three total control inputs, the gun is incredibly simple. Those inputs are a button to eject shells from the barrels, a button to break the action open (which also serves as the rear sight ), and the trigger. No safeties, no magazine release, no hammer, and no nonsense. Instead of a single barrel and a rotating cylinder, the 333 has six barrels with chambers cut right into them. That also leads to the unique way the gun fires.
The S333 Volleyfire from Standard MFG gives shooters a .25 ACP, six-barrel, twin shot defender.
IMPRESSION
Ready for the next interesting part? The S333 fires two shots with each trigger pull. It does this with a pair of rotating firing pins. That is not a typo. The S333 has two of firings pin, and fires two shots per trigger pull. That is definitely a first for this ninja, but pretty handy in a self defense situation. The gun is currently chambered in .25 ACP, so does that technically make that a .50 cal? Sure to be a crowd pleaser, four color options were available at this point in time. Black, Ranger Green, pink, and my favorite, Gold Finger. Further testing is in order, but the simplicity of this design looks pretty solid for durability and reliability. Light weight and basically idiot proof, I am planning a longer test for this off the beaten path design. This thing is really interesting.
PRICE & AVAILABILITY
The S333 Volleyfire does not have an official release date but should be available very soon, so be sure to keep an eye out on their website as well as here at GunsAmerica.com for more information. Standard Manufacturing says it will be priced under $300.
To learn more, visit https://www.stdgun.com.
How is this not an NFA item?
The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) defines “machine gun” to include any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
Kind of interesting, but with all the hype and no guns on the market; looks like for one reason or another that this was a hoax!
I would like to know the weight of this pistol? Can not find it mentioned in any article.
22 ozs the new one 22mag
my mistake 18 ozs not 22
I can remember well my ol wrist rocket sling shot. I was such a ninja badass that I regularly shot 2 cat eye marbles at once with it. I even would test the laws of physics at times and shoot 3 ( yes three ) at once!!!! I’d stand tall , be tatcicool and one mean ground breaking mf’er carrying that slingshot , and bag of cat eye marbles not to mention much , much more well protected than carrying anything that fired 12 .25acp rds at once. Just stating the obvious folks , think about it…….. If ya need a bag of marbles just let me know.
So, in the event of a hangfire, I have to stick my finger over the muzzle to operate the extractor? No thank you.
Novel idea, but maybe, just maybe, you can reach UNDER the barrel and activate the extractor. Or just know that a “hang fire” is EXTREMELY rare and I don’t know more than 1 person who has actually experienced on in over 35yrs of shooting. But if you like to make gun purchases based on a fear of something that virtually never happens, then so be it.
I guess if you reload your own ammo and do a crap job of it or you tend to buy crap reloaded ammo then your chances of a hang fire is greatly increased. Or you could simply be smart and only trust your life with quality ammo and never worry about anything.
I want a pair. Or make it 3 shots twice,or all six once.I want two of everything. NRA life member 2016.
Ok, this gun is a rehash of a pepper box, it’s ergonomics suck.The caliber is pathetic and the fashion colors stupid, but it’s NOT a combat handgun! It’s a modern ” liberator”
Stick the business end in a soft vulnerable spot, neck, groin and let it rip!
For all those that say this is a machine gun: This would fall under the same ruling the Arsenal AF1911. The ATF initially ruled that an NFA weapon but has since reversed that ruling and the AF has been on the market for five years now. Some would argue the AF has two triggers but they are linked and pulling on one blade fires both barrels.
This one’s a pip for sure…a pip that I wouldn’t care to rely on stopping anyone!!! If your looking for a non lethal carry pistol I would simply get a snub nose 22lr or magnum revolver and load it with rat shot rounds. while not necessarily lethal it will render an attacker immobilized if that shot hits the face or neck. And then you have the remaining 4-6 shots to finish the job if need be with regular ammo.
The fact that you’re condoning the use of ammunition purposely designed to blind and/or seriously debilitated them facially shows your ignorance of US litigation procedures. Hurting someone in a way that can both blind and horribly disfigure a person, rather than dispatch them humanely, is far more frowned upon. In Brazil things are different…perhaps why so many sites/responsible gun enthusiast have warned against using “non-lethal” bird shot ammo in the Taurus Judge.
Definitely, absolutely, 100% new manufacture machine gun in direct violation of Hughes amendment (May ’86). More than one round fired by single pull of trigger. One could argue all day long that it’s not an MG, but when you’re arguing with an agency that said a .45 ACP mag violated the ’94 AWB cause it held more than 10rds of 9mm (?!?!?! Strange but true!) you can’t win. Set up a “GoFundMe” account to raise bail & attorney fees for this well meaning guy…
Incorrect, this does not fall w/in the definition AND determination of the BATFE. Not saying I would buy this though, not my flavor.
I’ve been shooting two patched round balls at once for thirty years. I used to have a replica colt walker and I loaded
3 round balls per cylinder on top 40 grains of 1 f for mountain lion protection in Colorado Elk hunting. Heavy as hell
but when I was challenged to a pistol shooting competition my three balls blew out the bulls eye and the poor chap with
the ruger black hawk just stood there in total shock. Daniel Boone is credited with killing two Indians with one shot, he was known for stacking more than one also. I shot a .45 long rifle with 3 round balls and hand no problems. So, get yourself a percussion pistol in 38 cal and enjoy shooting two balls two balls at once cheap and effective.
how about a BMG, that may be big enough
I would go with the 9×18 Makarov cartridge with a hollow point projectile as about the maximum amount of dual recoil that I, personally, would want to deal with in a hand weapon of this size. I agree that the .25 is just about worthless unless you can shoot your assailant in an eye or two. The smallest I would go is the .380. The optimal close-in cartridge is the .45 ACP, which already has a spectacular close-in platform with the over/under Derringer. It requires only one .45 round, explosively placed anywhere in the human body to deter the continued attention of any assailant, period
This weapon is roughly the same as the cap and ball “Duck Foot” which has three barrels, each with a separate charge ignited by one trigger pull, which causes the exposed hammer to strike one percussion cap, which fires all three barrels simultaneously. You can buy them in kit form at gun hobbiest stores.
Duckfoot pistols are muzzleloading, cap-and-ball guns and therefor are not firearms, legally. Muzzleloaders and many other non-cartridge arms are treated differently under law and so the similarities are not strong enough to establish precedent.
Muzzleloaders used to be non firearms not anymore for felons even of the lesser degrees. Bowhunting only for them.
Anyone else notice that he seems to short strokes the trigger on the third pull the last time he dry fires in the video?
He quickly pulls it a fourth time as the camera cuts to a different angle.
I also wonder, how do you know which barrels will fire when? If you only load 4 rounds, there is a good chance it will not fire on the first trigger pull.
Lastly, I would worry that the rear sight might get pushed down in a holster or pocket and the barrel might unlock and open during draw.
An interesting novelty to be sure, but its practicality remains to be seen, in my opinion.
I have a friend with a long career in law enforcement and he has a story I remember any time anybody talks about the .25 ACP. He shows up at a crime scene in the early 80s. Two groups of drunk cowboys had been antagonizing one another at a bar. One had left, drinking beer on a porch in the night and the other group drove by. One wise guy sticks a .25 out the car window and fires several times and scores three hits. The first hit was on a guy who was not wearing a shirt, the .25 went between his ribs and hit him in the heart. He was dead before he hit the ground. The second got wedged in the guy’s shoulder and his range of motion in that shoulder was restricted for life. The third guy… got hit right in the tip of his fellow. He didn’t die but I would wager he wished he had.
If it fires more than one round with a single pull of the trigger doesn’t the ATF classify it as a machine gun? That is the definition they use.
Remember the only reason SIG Pistol Brace ever had so much ATF opposition was the general public asked to many questions regarding legality!
Just attended a firearms seminar on Federal and State Laws yesterday concerning all classes of firearms. This weapon definitely falls under the NFA regulations as firing more than one round with one pull of the trigger. They must have received a variance or exception of some type from the ATF to justify the R & D and production costs to make it worthwhile to manufacturer.
I just had a thought; rare occurrence, indeed.
Since they went with a rimless round, perhaps they should have also designed moon clips to go with their little pistol. That would make reloads much faster. Something for them to consider should this ever be made as a 9mm, 40 S&W, 357 Sig, 45 ACP, or 10 mm.
If it ever comes out in a semi-rimmed round such as the 32 ACP, or 38 Super, or rimmed rounds like the 32 H&R or 327 Federal Magnums, they should get with HKS or Safariland to collaborate on a speedloader.
I carry the 32 Kel Tec as I have been shooting for 40 years and am a very good shot. So if this came in 32 ACP I would probably buy one. I wouldn’t try to kill a cat with a 25. If they made it in 32ACP I think it would sell a lot better. But 32 is the biggest they should go with it, as any bigger you may as well buy a revolver.
Agreed. I’d like this in a .32
Nice concept. A bit steep in price, considering its direct competition. I’ll wait for a slightly beefier version, if I decide to purchase one at all.
Someone below mentioned the FN 5.7X28. That or the .22 TCM would certainly be interesting to see out of such a short barrel. The reliability of modern rimfire ammo, combined with the two shots per pull of the trigger feature, makes a .22 Mag, 17 HMR, or 17 WSM version more desirable to me than a 25ACP. Make this in any of the above calibers, and give me the option of another inch or two on the barrel, and it might lean me more in its direction.
.22 mag would be something to consider for this new design. forget about a center fire round in .25
If you make it a 22 Mag, I might buy one…. In case some folks don’t know, a 22 Mag has the same knock down power as a 9 mm. So if you shoot this weapon with a 22 Mag, it would be shooting 2, 9mm at a time and that’s good!!!. With a 25 auto, your only going to PISS someone off. I have heard it say a 25 Auto can bounce off a persons skull or a heavy coat or leather jacket.. NOT A GOOD CALIBER!!!
I have a colt pocket vest pistol that I absolutely love shooting on the rare occasion. I don’t carry it because the gun is over a hundred years old but I would if it was brand new and stainless. Something about using a 25 calibre pistol as a form of eye mace has a bit of romance to it… But it isn’t ideal. If I need to go small I go to my bond arms 327 federal Magnum. And the fireball that comes out of that will engulf and blow your target down at five yards… Please chamber this gun to shoot two of them simultaneously. My wrists ache for it. And the very thought makes me want to go potty.
Blah, blah, blah all the naysayers here are the same, bigger is better. Not all weapons are designed for their lethality. Maybe the manufactures purpose was to make it as a less than lethal, or perhaps it was to test the waters to see the legal implications and marketing response before spending large amounts of money. Like most mentioned, other calibers could be better, or that the ATF rules for automatic should preside. Most new designs come in small packages before moving up in size due to production cost. Another consideration is the target buyer. Having worked in gun sales, untrained women shooters always seem to pick the smaller calibers first. Maybe this is the target buyer.
So what caibers would we want you guys .357 mag , 10mm , .410 \ .45 long colt with a 6 inch barrel n some type of grip on it. I say we get Rossi to make a circuit judge in .300 h&h mag also in .375 h&h 😉
Gun looks like it’ll fuck up but if it does work properly n the opposite chambers fire simultaneously it looks like a good meet someone at the door gun two or three f@$% u squeezes in the chest n neck area from point blank range will stop anyone especially in the neck. But on the other hand , US REAL MEN DEMAND DIFFERENT CALIBERS
Hmm?….wait…..what?…..really? Someone has too much time on their hands.
While working as a resident deputy many years ago along the lower Colorado River in Arizona I had a man walk up to me along the rivers levy and ask for help. He told me he had tried to commit suicide with a small pocket pistol but failed and needed to go to the hospital. It turned out to be a .25 auto pocket pistol and he had shot himself between the eyes. The bullet impact knocked him unconscious for a while and then upon awaking he had a sore throat and a huge headache.
After getting him to the hospital the x-rays showed the bullet had entered the skull just above the bridge of the nose, his the sinus cavity and made a hard 90 degree turn downwards. The bullet lodged in his vocal chords and the doctors were afraid to operate for fear of paralyzing his chords and making him a mute. He was released the next day and came to see me about getting a release for getting his car out of the impound. Talked hoarsely had both eyes blackened but only has a small round bandage on his forehead. He told me he would never do that again and it was over a lost girlfriend…
I had a .25 auto I used to carry in a boot holster but after seeing his injuries I put it in the gun safe and that has been 36 years back. Still got mine and it has not been fired since.
looks like junk, maybe a good way to piss off a crackhead, or you could turn it on yourself after figuring out how badly you’ve chosen to spend your self defense budget.
Junk
Nice contraption, but the caliber is all wrong. Too small. I saw a guy who took 6 .25 ACP rounds to the chest at close range, and there was no penetration. I don’t mind the small caliber, but it needs to move faster than the standard .25 ACP.
The other thing is that you only fire three times. That is little better than a derringer.
I would probably buy it if under 300 just for the novelty of it. But I have always wanted a double barrel revolver.
For those using a double barrel shotgun as an example of what is not a “machine gun”:
As far as I am aware (and I am neither a shotgun expert or legal expert), all the shotguns that I know of that can shoot both barrels AT THE SAME TIME have TWO triggers. Therefore, while one CAN shoot both barrels simultaneously, one still has to pull ONE trigger per barrel. For those shotguns that have a single trigger, (whether selective or not), you can NOT shoot both barrels simultaneously. You HAVE to pull the single trigger twice to shoot both barrels.
That said, I find it difficult to imagine that the manufacturer didn’t get a “letter of clarification” from the ATF before they started production. If they didn’t, they’re kinda dumb.
For my two-cents-worth, the .25 ACP is a poor choice for chambering. That said, I would consider a pistol of this type for my wife or daughters. In which case, I do not expect them to be in a “gun fight”. Instead, I expect them to use a handgun when they have been GRABBED. That means VERY close quarters. If they put the muzzle of this gun against the chest or neck or face of an attacker, fire JUST ONCE, and said attacker is NOT deterred, then the caliber of the bullet(s) that just went into the chest or neck or face of the attacker is completely immaterial. In other words, any attacker that can take TWO .25 caliber bullets to the chest, neck, or face AND STILL ATTACK, isn’t going to be stopped with a .357 caliber bullet.
This would not be MY choice for CC as long as it is .25 caliber. Probably still wouldn’t even if it was .357 caliber, unless it was chambered in at least Magnum. Better, Maximum. I really believe this is more novelty than “good/best CC choice” – man or woman.
Paul
Looks like a mossbeg brownie reboot.
*mossberg
Yes, a rehash of the Brownie, which also had a rotating firing pin, but used a rim fire cartridge.
Even in .25ACP two to the face up close would ruin a bad guy’s day for sure. Then while blood is in his eyes, kick his ass the old fashioned way. Great idea if it fires 100% of the time. Plenty of Baby Brownings were used with success.
if they chambered this in the FN five-seven, i would be first in line to get one.
This is dead before it even starts .6 bbls two shot a trigger pull .In a mealy 25 ACP . a 25 hp will fill with outer wear and barely penetrate a body in the winter when heavy clothing are worn. . there are so many better option for same money or less. I’ve seen the Ruger 380 LCP under $300 and their 9mm LCP in the $300 ball park .I have a one of their 327Mag LCR and it’s smaller than that clunky thing. . Guess it would make a nice conversation piece . Practical ,not even close..I would carry my little Beretta 21A 22lr before a 25.
.25 auto is about as much as 9mm, so, why this weak-a$$ed round?
Make it in a decent caliber like .380, or larger and I’ll look into it.
If this is legal, then a 200 barrel turret operated 5 shots per trigger pull 5.56 would also be legal (hint to manufacturers)
many of you ask the same question over and over…the whole question of the ATF may be a mute point if the ATF is tossed out by the new congress.. they are trying to break it up and do away with it……….as we all know the ATF has been a total mess from day one….ie; fast and furious, etc,etc, I for one like this little shooter, I have a colt 25 cal. semi auto and I can tell you I do not ever want too get hit by the hollow pts. I put in it,,, great pocketgun……that said 2 at a time would make a mess,,,pretty sure, 6 in 3 seconds would be likely to stop a person at close range….it would stop me ….and stop you too
Don’t be so sure. An EMT who taught a first aid class where I worked told us of a big man who got into an argument with a small man. Small man pulls a .25 and empties it into big man. Big man diddn’t like that and beat little guy nearly to death, got some paper towels, plugged the holes, and sat down to wait for the paramedics. He survived
Chuck,
Even if the ATF goes the way of the Dodo, the federal law still remains. It has already been published that should that occur, the laws that the ATF enforces now will be enforced by other agencies. The FBI was specifically mentioned as being the front running caretaker for federal firearms and explosives laws, where as the FDA would handle tobacco and alcohol.
As to the law; A machine gun is, “[A]ny weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”
This gun fits or does not fit the description dependent upon the definition of the word, “automatically” in the above sentence. Most would take that to mean that a cartridge is fired, the casing ejected, and then another cartridge is chambered and fired with a single pull of the trigger. Since this pistol does not do that, most would say it is not a machine gun.
However, “automatically” could also mean that more than one round is fired with a single pull of the trigger, with no other operation or step being required to do so. In that case, this pistol would be considered a machine gun. They most likely have a letter from the ATF affirming the former, but let’s not forget the “yes, you can shoulder it”, “no you can’t shoulder it” BS surrounding the Sigbrace. At least in that case, you didn’t become a felon overnight because some pencil pusher with little to no actual firearms knowledge changed an earlier decision.
According to the ATF, the definitions of automatic versus semiautomatic are only applicable to trigger pull per number of cartridge shots per barrel. It falls under the same rules as the double barreled 1911. If you pull the trigger and shoot 2 or more cartridges from the same barrel, it is considered automatic. The S333 is essentially a pepper box. It falls under volley fire rules. Theoretically, you would be able to set up 2, or 200 or 2000 or more AR15’s harnessed side by side and in a contraption that allows you to pull all triggers simultaneously and still fall under volley fire rules; providing that each trigger pull only fired one cartridge round out of one barrel. Also, “one cartridge round” allows for shotshell and other multiple projectile rounds to also remain legal. Otherwise, shotguns wouldn’t be legal.
Make it in 327 mag and this thing will sell.
They could have mad it more viable a make a tiny bit more sense atleast 380acp, that should be the bare minimum of any self defense pistol , technically 9mm should actually be the bare minimum really but 380 is a hell of a lot better then 25acp, the concept is weirdish but with the right caliber is would be better
So someone recreated a gun from the 1850s? It’s a pepperbox.
Cutting edge 1840’s design. Odd-looking coloration and no safety mechanisms giving children something to attract their attention and readily fire , and a small size for accidentally leaving it in their vicinity. And, a caliber that is certainly better than nothing, but hardly one to bet a life on. Outside of that this is the way to go.
I guess if you are stupid enough to leave a loaded fire arm within reach of small children, then you shouldn’t be allowed to own one.
So, it seems no one reads the posts before posting themselves. Every other comment says the exact same thing. Of course, no one will read this one either so no point in saying anything…
Why all the haters and questioning as to the legality of the gun? It’s obviously legal!
Most comments here are double taps also. Same comment by the same person more than once. Or, same observation by multiple commenters over and over again. But I repeat myself. What a coincidence!
I like it! I’d buy one. I’d prefer it be a .380, but if this one succeeds I’d bet there will be a .380.
looks like what would happen if a mossberg brownie married a .22 remington ring-trigger derringer.
I like the concept, but .25 ACP is not a fight-stopper round, even when fired 2 at a time. .32 long would be much better, if you want low recoil + much more muzzle energy (65 ft. lb. for .25 ACP vs 117 ft. lb. for the .32 long) + a bigger hole.
Novelty junk in 25APC. Wouldn’t buy it at $100. Can’t wait for the range test at 3 yards with the justification of “avg DGU distance”.
It’s clever with the 2 shot trick. So you are pretty sure to hit what you point at. But I don’t want something that looks right off the bat like a fake or toy gun. I want the thug to see a real gun barrel!
I don’t carry my .50 Desert Eagle, it’s a little heavy and cumbersome! I don’t want to show a perp my barrel, I want to eliminate a threat and I think this would do it at close range.
sgt. harper’s volley gun
It is not classified as a full auto weapon by ATF, because it fires multiple barrels, not a single barrel firing multiple rounds. This is legal in the same way the old Duckfoot black powder pistol would be legal, that had three or up to six barrels with one pull of the trigger.
2 shots per 1 pull off the trigger, wouldn’t that make the ATF stand up and shout? I thought anything more than 1 shot per trigger pull was considered a no-no.
Most likely the same as the Echo trigger system for the AR platform.
Shoots when pulled and released.
ATF approved.
would be no different than a double barrel shotgun.
2 shots per 1 pull off the trigger, wouldn’t that make the ATF stand up and shout? I thought anything more than 1 shot per trigger pull was considered a no-no.
How does this pistol get around being legally a machinegun?
The National Firearms Act defines “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).
How is that legal? By definition a semi automatic firearm can only fire 1 projectile per pull of the trigger.
How this pistol get around being legally a machinegun?
The National Firearms Act defines “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).
I guess that stands to be questioned by some double barrel shotguns and double barrel 1911s out there. I would like to know myself too.
JP,
I am unaware of any double barrel shotgun avail;able in the US that has the ability to fire both barrels with the single pull of a single trigger. If you know of one, please let me know. I might be interested in obtaining one if the price is right.
The Arsenal Firearms AF2011-A1 was the only double barrel 1911 ever produced for a commercial market. Although it had two hammers that were made one via a connected hammer spur, it had two separate fire control groups; two triggers, two sears, two sear springs, and two hammer springs. Pulling either trigger independently would only release the corresponding side of the hammer. The other side of the hammer would be firmly held in the cocked position until being released by the other trigger. Both triggers had to be pulled in order for the weapon to fire, and both barrels would always be fired at the same time, +/- a few milliseconds due to differences in lock times.
Interesting concept. Airweight hammerless revolvers already provide a pretty good pocket carry option. 5 rounds of .38 or 6 rounds of .25 ACP? I’ll stick with my revolver for now!
Or 6 rounds of .327 Magnum!
So will this be considered an automatic – if more then one bullet is fired per trigger press?
Why 25 ACP? Why not 22 magnum?
he stated that they wanted the reliability of a center fire cartridge.
along your line of thinking though, the high velocity of the .22 hornet or fn 57 would be very effective.
Yes! The 22 Mag or the 5.7. Or even the 22 LR would be better than a 25 caliber round.
I don’t think of unreliability when I think of .22 Mag. Wonder what their idea is.
.25 ACP is still what you carry if you don’t have a gun. Two rounds that don’t make it into the body are still . . . well, are still .25 ACP. Call me when it is offered in .32 H&R or even .32 long. Yes, the recoil of two at once would be significant in such a light gun. And the price and weight would jump. But the effect on the other end would be significant as well.
You would have several options on recoil/ft. lbs. if it were offered in .327 federal. Start low and practice your way up, like going from .38 short and working your way up in a .357 mag if you are new shooter.
NERDS!!!
I’m telling , you used the N word ( NERDS!!!) funny as hell.
This is the definition of a novelty gun–a CCW that’s got to be both heavy and bulky and is likely to be mistaken for a toy by the perp. Lots of decent $300 CC firearms are out there that actually look like a real gun. And two .25 ACP’s are not even close to the wallop of one .40 S&W let alone a .50 caliber anything, so I assume you were joking.
FWIW if one happens to be a fan of the ancient pepperbox design, Pietta makes a .36 front-loader that would be a much more intimidating home defense weapon though it isn’t suitable for CC either It really looks evil –not like the rubber darts are missing– and just the hellish fire and smoke of a black powder repeater should send them running even if you miss.
“…..not like the rubber darts are missing….” THAT is FUNNY!
This is the definition of a novelty gun–a CCW that’s got to be both heavy and bulky and is likely to be mistaken for a toy by the perp. Lots of decent $300 CC firearms are out there that actually look like a real gun. And two .25 ACP’s are not even close to the wallop of one .40 S&W let alone a .50 caliber anything, so I assume you were joking.
FWIW if one happens to be a fan of the ancient pepperbox design, Pietta makes a .36 front-loader that would be a much more intimidating home defense weapon though it isn’t suitable for CC either It really looks evil –not like the rubber darts are missing– and just the hellish fire and smoke of a black powder repeater should send them running even if you miss.
I’m sorry but, doesn’t that make it a NFA weapon? Firing more than one round with a single pull of the trigger?
How does the S333 get by the ATF standard of one round fired with each trigger pull, seems to me this would fall in the NFA category.
I’m interested in this design. Looking forward to seeing this in some testers hands.
27 CFR 479.11 – Meaning of terms.
Machine gun. Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.11
Somebody straighten me out on this.
Best Read further not talking AR 15’s here taking pistol’s- I.E.
The “shoots automatically” definition covers weapons that will function automatically. The “readily
restorable” definition defines weapons which previously could shoot automatically but will not in their
present condition. The “designed” definition includes those weapons which have not previously
functioned as machine guns but possess design features which facilitate full automatic fire by simple
modification or elimination of existing component parts.
More than one shot per trigger pull = …
So, how does this get past the fact that it would legally be considered a machinegun?
“26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”
2 shots from 1 pull of the trigger? Doesn’t that technically make it a “machine gun”?
2 shots from 1 pull of the trigger? Doesn’t that technically make it a “machine gun”?
Nope! Must be multiple shots in succession with one trigger pull. Not simultaneously or that is to say at one time. Good example is every time you discharge a shotgun shell, it’s releasing multiple projectiles at one trigger pull.
” fires two shots with each trigger pull”
ok, IDPA bug gun for sure
Looks like built like the Daniel / Leinad 380/ 22l;r Pocket pal meets the Leinad Pepper box. It is inno where comparable to a COP. I have them all.
Looks like built like the Daniel / Leinad 380/ 22l;r Pocket pal meets the Leinad Pepper box. It is inno where comparable to a COP. I have them all.
Looks like built like the Daniel / Leinad 380/ 22l;r Pocket pal meets the Leinad Pepper box. It is inno where comparable to a COP. I have them all.
sorry about these duplicate posts.
Looks like built like the Daniel / Leinad 380/ 22l;r Pocket pal meets the Leinad Pepper box. It is inno where comparable to a COP. I have them all.
So, how are they getting around this?:
The National Firearms Act defines “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).
Well. Starting to see a pattern. Shot show is upon us. And it’s time for the first year writers to crank out a years worth of articles in a day. Piece of advice. Stick it where you want. Either write an informative article or go back being a ninja. And yes I know all about Uncle Sam spending a fortune to train this specific “ninja”. Please don’t stick with you day job.
Interesting but poor choice of cartridge. Is it even legal to fire two rounds with one pull of the trigger and not be classified an automatic weapon?
Would you let me know when the S333 is on the market?
Thanks
Your Kidding right?
Why not six shots at a time hell why not carry a bazooka?
Why not six shots at a time hell why not carry a bazooka?
The ATF’s definition of a machine gun is “Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” Wouldn’t this handgun be considered a machine gun by the ATF?
.25ACP? Better aim for an eye socket. Manufacture this puppy in at least a .380 and we’ll talk.
.25 ACP? Nope! Manufacture the thing in at least a .380 and we’ll talk.
I agree 25C is a little to light on impact but would get your attention. 380 okay 38 special better. After all it 10 feet or less right.
Sweet!!! Cannot wait for it to be chambered in John Browning’s .32ACP.
I agree, 32ACP would not be much bigger but have more power.
not to be a party crasher, but by definition doesn’t that make this a full auto by BATFE standards? if not have they already received an approval letter? defined in the NFA, is “Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”