The controversy surrounding police-involved shootings nearly reached a breaking point last year with the death of Philando Castile during a traffic stop in Minnesota. That incident is still under investigation, but one Delaware man hopes his invention can prevent similar incidents from happening in the future.
The License, Registration, and Insurance Safety Wallet (LRI) stores a driver’s necessary information in a plastic sleeve that attaches to the driver’s sun visor. Its inventor, Rahim El, hopes that allowing the driver to keep his or her hands on the steering wheel will prevent any misunderstandings during traffic stops.
“Traffic stops are very stressful for both police and the public because of what can happen to a law enforcement officer or what can happen to you from that one rogue cop,” El told Delaware Online. “And that’s why LRI Safety Wallet is needed. It neutralizes both of those issues.”
“People today are fearful of being stopped by law enforcement,” he continued. “But you don’t have to be scared; you need to be prepared.”
Essentially, the LRI gives drivers a way to access their driver’s license without reaching into their pocket.
“When the officer approaches your window, all of your identification is right there, and you can keep your hands on the wheel,” El said. “That way there is no confusion from the driver reaching in their pocket or glove box.”
While there is no substitute for courtesy and common sense, the invention has gained the support of law enforcement.
“This is something I believe the city and the department of police can and will support,” Bobby (CJ) Cummings, Chief of Police for the City of Wilmington, Delaware, said in a press release.
“I spent four years with the Dallas Police Department and conducted thousands of traffic stops so this product makes complete sense to me for civilian use,” added Justin Thomas, a member of PoliceOne.com.
Not all law enforcement officials are entirely supportive, however. Fred Calhoun, the president of the Delaware Order of Fraternal Police told Delaware Online that the LRI wallet can’t take the place of a polite demeanor. “Everyone wants some kind of device when what we really need as a society is simple communication between individuals,” he said.
The wallet attaches to the driver’s side sun visor via a Velcro strip. Users “activate” the wallet by lowering the sun visor and allowing the wallet to unfold, revealing all the necessary documents.
Ultimately, Rahim El explained, the LRI Safety Wallet is designed to help improve the strained relationship between law enforcement and citizens. “The mission of LRI Safety Wallet,” he said, “is to foster principles bringing community and trust between citizens and law enforcement officers with every useful product we design.”
Generally speaking you’ve got some time to retrieve stuff from your wallet before the cop exits his vehicle. Unless you’re been followed while they run your plate, they can take a minute to get up to your door. Nice idea though. Just be sure to keep both hands very visible as in my state they’ll know you’re a CCH.
Great idea to reduce police shootings in afluent white middleclass areas.
Total Fail
For years car dealers used to includ a little see thru plastic sleeve with elastic straps for the sole purpose of putting one registration and insurance card in., and putting on the drivers sun visor. Then car makers started putting makeup mirrors on the drivers side as more women began to drive. Yeah I know it seems sexist but once upon a time it was mostly men who did all the driving. That’s just how it was.
Anyway. My registration still live up there. Beats fumbling around in a cluttered glove box when one is already sweating getting a ticket or “Why is this guy pulling me over?”, and nervous. But My Lic. and my permit to carry concealed I keep on me in my wallet. I have 2 cars a motorcycle and drive a school bus. So my stuff needs to travel with me.
When I’m carrying and driving I have never been pulled over. I have gone through a few check points (no opinion given here) while concealed. Thank goodness for warm weather. The don’t seem to set up in the cold, rain or snow. But I always open the window keep both hands on the wheel and tell the officer “I’m armed, my pistol is on my….. and my drivers lic. and permit are in my wallet in which ever pocket. Then I wait for the officer’s response. Most often it’s something like, don’t go for yours and I won’t go for mine.
I don’t delude myself though. I’m first and foremost white. My hair is short (ish) I’m in a decent looking car, my small town police recognize me by sight.
I was also on the other side of the badge and I know that just like others some cops are jerks and have issues that fill up entire forums.
And it isn’t always equal treatment for people of color or of obvious economic or educational disadvantage.
So when someone steals your car they an show the police officer the registration and insurance card and tell the officer you loaned them the car. Brilliant.
So when someone steals my car I report it as such.
As to your comment; do you think before you type? 99.9% of car owners keep their insurance and registration cards in the vehicle (as required by law) So yes I suppose if you are dumb enough to leave your keys in the car, Joe Thief can get those papers regardless of the location.
Since I don’t leave the keys in it I’d reckon the officer might wonder about the punched ignition even if I hadn’t noticed it was stolen, irrespective of Joe Carthiefs story.
On the other hand if you think you are smarter than the average officer, I understand your thinking.
The Dude Abides.
Great idea BUT, shouldn’t leave your license in your car. Unless, you remember to take it and put it up ever time. a little redundant.
And don’t leave your license in the car, Thief’s
Can’t fault the man for his invention..
I use a clip device on my Visor to keep my Registration and Insurance handy.
Real Solution
Stop Traffic enforcement for the purpose of revenue Generation.. City , County and to a lessor extent the State.
End “Seat Belt” enforcement etc.
Reduce the number of contacts (Traffic Stops) and reduce the risk to both the public (First Priority) and the Peace Officer (second priority)
Why Second? Because they are Public Servants .. not the Master.. They have a right to be reasonably safe.. but not over the rights of the public.
Why Because that is the Nature and proper state for a Democratic Republic.. The people themselves are the Masters. Not their Elected Officials, Not the Elite members of the Society.. and not Public Servants of any type,
Eliminate any relationship between seized assets and Department revenue.
Make the City Chiefs of Police an Elected Office…Not appointed by cronies,
Watch things get better and safer for both the Public and Peace Officers.
First, a cop doesn’t leap out of his car immediately, unless he thinks you’ve robbed a bank. He runs the plate and after a minute or so approaches your car. I do have all of my info in one sleeve of my wallet and it takes me all of 10-15 seconds to get it out and hold it between my fingers while keeping both hands on the wheel. Also, since I’m white, my chances of getting to trouble are massively reduced to begin with. DWW is not nearly a problem as DWB is.
How about just prosecuting some of the asshole murderers with badges.
And there we have it the smoking gun. Your attitude is the reason police are so ill at ease.
Timothyf7 QUOTE
There has never been a situation where being aggressive and belligerent has resulted in a calm and safe stop. Before you want to play Billy Bad Ass… END QUOTE
The problem is that too many cops think they are Billy Bad Ass and need to be belligerent and “TAKE CHARGE OF THE SITUATION” or “TEACH SOMEONE A LESSON” and there is where the trouble starts.
Your right, they are not Judge and Jury.
I drove a truck for many years and had many opportunities to deal with police officers at scales,DUI checkpoints,immigration checkpoints,border crossings,and traffic stops and I never,not one single time(!),had an officer play “Billy bad ass”! In my experience they always react to the attitude of the person they are dealing with. If you’re polite and respectful then they are too. If you’re a jerk,they’ll treat you sternly but with respect! If,however,you push it and become an ass they will treat you appropriately and it will be a very expensive lesson for you! In short,follow the golden rule! “Do unto others as you would have done unto you.” Follow that advice and you’ll have very few problems with law enforcement!
At first thought, it seems a reasonable device. But as others have mentioned, the forgetting to take this with you when you leave the vehicle, could become a problem. The safest thing to do, is to have all your information in hand before the LEO approaches your vehicle. LEO are generally trained to take a minute or two before approaching a vehicle. They are to wait till movement has stopped. So no matter your situation, you have time to gather whatever your State requires for a stop, before he/she approaches. If you really want to be safer, understand the LEO’s Rules of Escalation (or whatever term their specific Department calls it). If you understand these Rules, and abide by them as a possible threat, you will never have a problem. Probably 98%+ of shootings have occurred for one and only one reason… not complying with an Officers requests. There has never been a situation where being aggressive and belligerent has resulted in a calm and safe stop. Before you want to play Billy Bad Ass… stop and think if there are people in your life that would be Proud of you being shot and taken from them, instead of you coming home safe after being compliant.
My job when stopped by LE is to comply, nothig else. Any other perceived “attitude” or non-compliance is just asking for trouble. When I am stopped, I always use deliberate movements and of course i am polite but, I still rely on my Dash cam monitor/DVR setup. and i alert the officer that The stop is being recoreded. All i get is usually a “Thank you for letting me know sir, can i please see your drivers license and regictration please?” I have never had any problems with LE over this. Most are just relieved I am not a threat.
Lots of interesting comments. For the non-criminal most problems with the police are the result of a fundamental misunderstanding. We are taught that we are a free people living in a free country when in reality we live in a police state. The officer in a traffic stop is trained to take control. The expected response is submission, obedience and compliance. Anything else and you are asking for trouble. Forget the “it’s a free country and I have rights” attitude. In that situation you don’t. He is not required to give you a ticket. At his discretion he can arrest you, take you to jail and have your car towed. It is a master-slave situation. Is it any wonder that Blacks find interactions with the police intolerable? Their worse fears have come true…they are powerless, being dominated by an authority figure, treated as a slave. Make certain all your lights are working, signal when the law requires, stop when required, wear your seat belt, don’t speed, don’t text, and so on. Even so, I was once stopped because I have a beard. If it happens remember: Police state, not free country and master/slave. You are in danger of losing your freedom or your life. If you get a warning or even a ticket, that’s a good outcome.
I don’t know what “reality” you live in but it certainly isn’t the same one I live in. Maybe you simply confuse being ONE person living in a society of many as being a slave so allow me to explain something to you. When a police officer stops you because you are breaking the rules all of society supports he isn’t trying to impose his will on you. He’s acting as a representative of the greater society. You still have rights and 99% of police officers will respect those rights 99% of the time. In return for that respect, you owe him respect as the representative of society and the simple civility you would show any individual. That isn’t even close to being a slave or living in a police state.
And there you have just made clear what the problem is between the police and the citizens. You said: “you are breaking the rules all of society supports.” This is precisely the problem. There are MANY, MANY rules that many DO NOT support. We feel that we have not been represented well or at all. We now have good evidence that our votes may not even have been counted. We have good evidence that there is a different set of laws for us than there are for those whom we DID NOT vote for. We see law enforcement taking bribes at the highest levels, breaking the highest laws and misrepresenting the laws they impose upon the “underlings.”
This has created a very real antagonism between those who are still foolish enough to side with this unjust tyranny and those who understand that we are prisoners of a war that we did not start. POW’s usually have bad attitudes toward their captors. LEO’s today need to take a hard look at the evidence around them and to whom they have sworn their allegiance. What oaths did they take? Do they even receive training on the Constitution they swore to uphold? Do they think for themselves?
It is not the same world as it was even 20 years ago. Respect is a two way street, and when LEO’s are trained to over-criminalize all encounters JUST IN CASE they might be in danger, this will rarely end well and this is readily seen now in thousands of videos and now a few news stories (though the later of for another nefarious agenda). The African-american population is the LEAST hard hit, It is NOT a race issue. It is a tyranny issue, and when you choose a side, don’t try to tell the other that you are not their enemy when the war has already begun.
I lived in West Germany for 2 years. I heard first hand accounts of how things went as fascism ground it’s way over the sensibilities of good people until “just doing your job” meant committing war crimes.
No Bob, the ‘Realist’ does, indeed, live in the same country as you do. So it seems that you are somewhat imprisoned in your own mind bias, or you’re just ignorant, ..or you don’t get out much? To give the old cognitive dissonance a tune up I suggest you read the best seller by John W. Whitehead, ‘Battlefield America’ It’s not only ‘close’ to living in a Police State, It is deeply entrenched in Totalitarian Statist agenda. And all these ‘bad’ police interactions are not imagined, as your delusional interpretation of territorial existentialism, they are steadily increasing. And all of these police abuse cases have nothing to do with whether or not you were polite. For your obvious need of ‘Reality’ education on the subject, in America police are NOT allowed to abrogate or ‘adjust’ a citizen’s Constitutional rights based their perception of the citizens ‘politeness’ during any integration.
In other words you CANNOT do summary executions, excessive force, sandbagging, or other illegal violations of the Bill of rights just because somebody calls you an asshole for stopping them and doesn’t instantly comply with your jack boot police orders. If you are a cop, and I suspect you might be, you better get ‘re-educated’ before you illegally hurt someone and fuck yourself up for the rest of your life.
Once you understand that completely. You’ll clearly begin to see what people like ‘Reality’ are saying. I never don’t agree that politeness goes a long way with ‘good’ cops. But again, it doesn’t matter with ‘Police State Cops’.
If you need some shorter edification, read some of my articles on other blogs like Survivopedia on the subject of just how ‘bad’ it really is.
And don’t be too shocked if Hitlery gets and and your “Papers Please” National I.D. card (Real I.D. Act of 2005) now requires financial account info on its chip and all firearms registration details, and that the first words out of your mouth might be…’buh buth uh, I thought I wasn’t a slave!’
Realist
You were stopped for having a beard? Was it the Amish sheriff that pulled you over in his horse and buggy?
You’re not a realist, you cherry pick facts, past events and the current agitprop that is spread by the subversive media and people with your sense of logic
How come almost every instance of a citizen being shot by a cop involves confrontation started by the citizen?
How does “Can I see your license, registration and proof of insurance” is answered by “Why, I didn’t do nothing” and when the cop repeats his request the “Slave citizen” escalates the situation as if they are some type of freedom fighter and they are going to save the world within the next 10 minutes?
Your “Take control” is when things start going sideways which rarely if ever happens with cooperation by the “Slave citizen” but I do think your definitions in life are quite opposite of what words and actions truly mean so basically you live in your own little world
The side of the road is no place to change the law or fight a ticket. That is what a courtroom and judge are for. So within your country of “Freedom” and “Rights” is it only a few people that are exempt from laws or even traffic violations?
If that is your outlook and you are the king then next time you get pulled over instead of wasting your time with trivial things like traffic stops just keep on driving until you get to your destination and tell the 20 cops that were in pursuit that you are the king and this is a free nation and then write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper and tell the country how you saved the world just by claiming you were king and asserted your rights to all of the cops behind you and they just left
When you are confrontational with the wrong people in life you just may get a wake up call that you really didn’t want
As for your “Free Country” proclamation this is false in your narrative because everyone has to pay taxes and follow common laws and have a sense of decency so no, you nor anyone else can just do what they want to do in life and scream screw the law every minute of your life
Realist? pfftttt you are far from it
Some respondents seem to be laboring under a fundamental misunderstanding. The “police state” is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of definition. You are welcome to your own opinion, not your own facts. While one may wish to be living a free state, and may even believe he is doing so, in many respects we do not. Of course there are much worse police states, past and present, but it only a matter of degree, not kind.
“The Oxford English Dictionary traces the phrase “police state” back to 1851, when it was used in reference to the use of a national police force to maintain order, in Austria. The German term Polizeistaat came into English usage in the 1930s with reference to totalitarian governments that had begun to emerge in Europe.
Because there are different political perspectives as to what an appropriate balance is between individual freedom and national security, there are no objective standards defining a police state. This concept can be viewed as a balance or scale. Along this spectrum, any law that has the effect of removing liberty is seen as moving towards a police state, while any law that limits government oversight is seen as moving towards a free state. An electronic police state is one in which the government aggressively uses electronic technologies to record, organize, search, and distribute forensic evidence against its citizens.”
A traffic stop is an exercise of the totalitarian powers of the police state. It is also a practical demonstration that the state has such powers. The fact that power is not exercised in other areas of state/personal interaction on a daily basis is a matter of the benevolence of the state. Stop paying your property tax for another example of the totalitarian power the state claims. The electronic police state is here in the form of the NSA. If living a comfortable and rewarding life can only be done by keeping your blinders on, then please feel free to do so.
Realist, it’s disingenuous to trace the history of the term “police state” and explain how it is a continuum, and then treat it as if it always refers to a tyranny. Is the U.S. a “police state”? Well, it certainly has many layers of law enforcement, so it could be considered a police state by that definition. But it’s not a dictatorship, at least not yet.
Are there examples of police state tyranny? Absolutely. Waco stands out in my mind as one of the most blatant examples among many. But on a day to day basis, in terms of just going about the daily business of living, the vast majority of people have nothing even remotely close to that level of interaction with police at all, let alone a tyrannical police state.
In the context of this discussion, the question really is how to make one’s own life easier (and safer) when interacting with police. Treating a cop as if he’s a willing part of a dictatorship will never end well. Treating a cop with respect will always make things better, even if the end result is something you wouldn’t have preferred.
Who said dictatorship? Not I. A police state can be a democracy, oligarchy, aristocracy, whatever. The average citizen does encounter the police state if he drives his vehicle on the public roads. You must be in compliance. You must have your papers in order. Try driving around with no license plates. Then report back to us what happened. Did you encounter a free state or a police state environment? When you are pulled over that is a loss of freedom in itself. Probably your indoctrination prevents you from seeing the truth. Or maybe you have Stockholm Syndrome.
That’s stupid. What happens if you leave that in your car and get stopped outside your car and need ID. It’s about as dumb as a CCW badge. Better to just be aware when your stopped and let officers know what you’re doing. Move slow and deliberate.
BOB, that’s right! And don’t forget to quickly comply when they ask you what you are doing, where you are going, how much much money you have and…where are your Guns!
“Comply, Comply COMPLY, you slaves! Or DIE, DIE, DIE!
Wow…think my dad’s old Datsun pick-up from the late 60s/early 70s had that built in to the visor back then…
maybe not, but I remember seeing it somewhere.
Plus…many young people use their phones for the insurance…where allowed.
Good idea though…
Good Idea, however it will create many personal information issues…
It seems to ME, my department didn’t have ANY problems until they started requiring COLLEGE as a prerequisite for consideration and did away with the High School Diploma as all that was needed. Funny.
If you don’t like the laws or the way a cop behaves, non-compliance is not the right response. Do what the cop wants-after it’s over is the time to make complaints. You can’t do anything to resist a cop & win- he has all the backup he needs to control that encounter & you might not survive to complain.
There may come a time to resist cops with force, BUT IT IS NOT WHEN YOU ARE ALONE OR OUTNUMBERED. Be smart, remain cool-live to fight another day.
On first glace this seems reasonable but I need my license in my wallet for ID purposes more than not so this item is not for me or anyone who needs their ID regularly!
The other comments on it’s impracticability also make sense and clealry demonstarte the need to NOT do anything to get pulled over in the first place!
If you are driving in a high crime or known drug area, do not be surprised if you suddenly get pulled over! adn DO NOT make any sudden actions!
The Police have enough of a job to do dealing with high crime and drug areas and don’t need any sudden reactions from the driving public!
I tell my children NOT to do anything to attract the attention of the LEO’s and they will be left alone!
But it seems since the Obomination has been in office that certain ethnic groups feel can act out any way they please with no negative repercussions and this is WHY they get SHOT!
Act like STUPID THUGS and TRASH and you will get treated like STUPID THUGS and TRASH!
Great idea! See how he says to be kind, courteous and respectful? That is more valuable than the LRI, but I like the product.
What you really need is a holster that mounts to the steering column. That would put everyone at ease.
https://www.gungoddess.com/steering-wheel-column-holster-mount/
First off, when I was working as a LEO, I was taught early in training to look for guns/knives/etc. being hidden in the sun visor. Low and behold, on one of my FIRST traffic stops, a guy reached up “to block the sun” by pulling down his visor when I was at his window. A crappy little Jennings J-22 fell from the visor. I was so new and inexperienced that I didn’t even draw down on him. Luckily, he was not intent on using it, and was just as embarrassed as I was (he just showed it and I didn’t). I’ve found many people keep knives above the visor. I also would definitely draw down on someone reaching up for the visor.
Use common sense. Do all the things the others posted, and especially be polite. Don’t make the officer nervous. Being polite may even get you out of a ticket. I’m not in law enforcement now, but I wouldn’t even want the job the way things are today. I wouldn’t want any chance to hesitate worrying whether I was going to get sued or start a riot arresting a stupid punk.
I’ve always coached my kids with the following words: “If you do the right thing, life just tends to work out.” ….. In other words do the right thing, and don’t get stopped to begin with, and you won’t need any of this sillyness!
I just keep those items in an envelope in my glove box. If pulled over, I’d retrieve it and hold the envelope between my thumbs and index fingers while gripping the steering with my other fingers. I like his suggestions about turning off the car and radio, turning on interior lighting and being respectful. I imagine that police officers get a bit nervous when the person is yelling and quickly waiving their arms around in the car. His suggestions help put the citizen and officer at ease.
I agree with Robert. 40 plus years in every conceivable LEO operation and situation. Countless traffic stops, Numerous High speed over stressed situations and confrontations. Several shoot outs. BUTTTT, and that’s a big Fat one, I never had to shoot down a 13 year old playing with an airsoft gun, or an unarmed homeless person not ‘obeying’ quick enough or an unarmed PTSD’d out combat vet just freaking out from all he had to go throug but not really hurting anybody. Or a mentally disturbed or autistic person ‘Acting Out’, or a traffic stop victim reaching for his wallet or holding a cell phone in his pocket, and now, even worse down the slippery slope, the all evil extremely egregious super felony of…NON Fucking Compliance!! Apparantly now punishable by DEATH Sentence, and the attendant Summary Execution by individual firing squad?
Not that i never confronted all those scenarios. I just handled them ‘differently’. Just like most cops do. Yes, it’s all about the ‘training’, and one other very important factor that nobody seems to want to talk about. At least not police department management. There’s far too many cops getting hired that are NOT of the dispositional emotional content best suited for the job these days. They simply can’t handle the stress spikes of the job and don’t default to even basic training. They immediagtely choke and then mind stroke directly to max lethal force. Which they later find out the hard way in their own court trial that this was NOT the necessary force required BY LAW under the circumstances which their ‘training’ should have clearly prepared them for. The laws suit trial, if you’re lucky enough not to go to jail, won’t care if you ‘thought’ they had a gun, or ‘really reallly really’ feared for your life and just blew the sixty something mentally disabled old lady away who was dis-fucking-obeying a direct order from ‘god’ to ‘immediately’ put down a baseball bat she was holding but not attacking with (like the NYPD Sgt. did just last week!) Don’t confuse this with monday morning quarterbacking. If an ‘old bat’, please, no pun intended, was even threatening to grand slam me out of her apartment and she was obviously mentally disturbed(like the Sgt mentioned here knew because ‘disturbed person’ was the disturbance call) but you should be trained and experienced enough by the time you mke Sgt. to easily determine that,
I would have distracted her, and when she looked away simply snatched the bat out of her hands and continued to try to de- escalate the siuation? Never once unholstering my sidearm. And then restrained her if necessary for transpot to a facility. (but no California Sleeperholds to kill her). Even if this Sgt didn’t have a tazer he could have distracted her and when her eyes moved off of him he could have ‘bum rushed’ her with a forearm shove to the wall or floor and she would have certainly dropped the bat.. If I couldn’t do somethig ‘else’ instead of pumping three rounds into her guts as a supposedly trained cop, I’d have no business being a cop and I’d resign off the job.
Violence and physical force is definately a part of the job. That’s what the mean with the term ‘Powers of Arrest’. But it has to be reasonable and Necessary Force Only. Higher than normal arisk factors are PART OF THE JOB. and you are allowed the physical advantage of using legal force to subdue and restrain, BUT NOT to Abuse it. Then it becomes ‘excessive’ and illegal. And if you can’t develop a conditioned mind set to be less afraid and more assured of your abilities and skills to mitigate risk You shouldn’t be on the job’
Just like you shouldn’t be a Firefighter if you have an excessive fear of heights or being burned.
Being a cop ‘In fear of your life’ every fucking time you confront someone as an excuse for summary execution is also not part of the job. The Law Enforcement Officer’s job description is to Apprehend and bring to justice. NOT act as an Executioner. The distinction can’t be blurred. And so-called ‘split second’ second decision making also cannot be an excuse because you CAN be trained well enough to where that nonsense is all but diminished in actual performance of your ‘duty’.
There were so many situatations like this for me as a young big city patrolman that i can’t even remember them all. Had them pull guns on me, kives. and everything else. If I had only a second to react, that was usually more than enough time anyway to gain the advantage. After all, if you had enough time to draw and shoot the person, you had enough time to do something else, equally as effective, without killing them.
So it’s mostly your mental state that you need to evaluate and adjust and re-skill if you want to do relatively safe and correct police work. The training is out there if you’re not lazy or stupid…
..otherwise you’re severely restricting and limiting yourslf to just a few pounds of finger pressure turning your whole life into a nightmare you’ll never wake up from?
Think about it? It’s like going house to house in Afganistan with NO spare mags.
I have to say, you must have been an awesome cop. I was trained by the old guys riding along with them back in the 80’s and 90’s. It seemed to me that the “old” guys were the ones that were more interested in going home at night than distracting and disarming. They seemed to me to be the ones more interested in ending a situation than we are today – no non-lethal weapons, no political correctness. Some of the old guys even were the ones that would let a suspect trip on the way to jail. I’m NOT saying any of this is right, but I think things today are much “nicer” than they were 20-30 years ago. I worked with the old grouchy all-business guys that were sometimes so jaded that they viewed everyone not LEO as an enemy, and in the 80’s and 90’s that was almost the normal. No disarming a gun wielding person then – a double tap from a 1911 was in order. But guess what? We didn’t have the problems we have today, because people RESPECTED law enforcement. I guess if I had a ton of officers for backup my outlook may have been different, but most of my contacts were rural, and my closest backup was at least 30 minutes away. I guess you must have been in a really different place in a really different time to NOT shoot someone intent on killing you with a deadly weapon.
My thoughts are that it is much different now, and finding good police officers absolutely has to be extremely difficult. Who wants to be subjected to the rigors of the job, at low pay, with zero respect, continuously worried about getting sued? Unfortunately, the answer to that question is that the “good” guys/girls don’t want to be officers anymore and the choice is less than perfect. It’s a double edged sword, and we are all on the losing end.
I get what you’re saying, but you must be an exception to the rule. You make the job sound way too easy….
NotforMe. Well, I didn’t mean to come off as a ‘holier-than-thou’ cop. I certainly wasn’t. Depending upon the circumstances I sometimes followed up a ‘disarmament’ move with a selective ‘tune-up’. The difference with me was I almost never did police work in a state of fear, stupidity, anger, or any other flawed emotional content.
I mean you couldn’t do that in a high speed low drag environment of New York, LA, or worse, CHICAGO! The sheer volume of having to pull your gun almost daily on routine patrol or investigations or violent domestics, sometimes every half hour on weekends, puts all the odds in favor a doing a major fuck up move like you see in all the bad videos these days, If you didn’t have your shit together with the correct training and responses and more importantly, STATE of MIND.. You would be guaranteed to last less than a month if you relied on the most common tactical mistake of shooting first and then thinking about what you ‘should have done’..
So you’re right, that’s a major tactical difference between a rural one man car deputy, All beat patrol cars in most active district where i began were Two man cars or more in plainclothes tac team units.
For me, it didn’t hurt either that i got on the job after doing three very intense SF combat tours until wounding out. My personal ‘fear factor or flight/fight psychology was simply not the same as most cops. I really didn’t have much fear of anything but maybe catching an STD from one of the police ubiquitous police groupies every day, lol!. Dealing with a typical violent arrest resisting mope would barely get my BP up. And I also was pretty sick and tired of so much killing and carnage in war by then, so I was not too interested in replicating that again on my new day job. Factor in the paper work involved with shooting someone to death and the fact that i didn’t want to be confined to a desk for weeks, which crimped my social life, It was just my use of pragmatic police ‘discretion’ to quite effectively handle dangerous situations ‘differently’ with minimal collatteral damage.
It also helped that I was 6′, 200 lbs of brick shithouse muscle. And my avocation was a Martial Arts instructor and top tournament competitor. So that changed the dynamics in any confrontation. When you can move before someone even sees you move, that changes the whole ball game. There weren’t too many situations with weapons i couldn’t disarm with either talking or instant physical disarmament. My favorite was just an instant-(less than split second so that’s no excuse-)invisible knock out slap if I even smelled a seriously dangerous move by a subject.
Don’t get me wrong. There were numerous times I was justified to shoot. But there always seemed to be enough time-at least for me and other cops– to scream FREEZE MOTHERFUCKER!, or asshole, or shit head or nitwit, whatever your religionist morality deemed appropriate. That, too, was a matter of ‘state of mind’ which dictated the ‘approach’. I mean if you ‘fool rushed in’ where wise cops use directed caution, well, then you are begging for so-called split second decisions, surprise ambushes notwithstanding, but essentially rare. The point being why get yourself in a so-called ‘split second’ situation, When You Don’t Have To? Then you can effectively handle the problem with the tactical advantage of NOT having to make ‘split second’ decisions? It’s all in the tactical training. Today I teach some of the most advanced stuff to serious practitioners.
And I’ll admit, that most cops didn’t subscribe to getting too close to a really potentially subject even if they didn’t have a lot of fear.. So they took the next best option. They didn’t over react and used different Approaches and different tactics. In that respect if they were forced to and did shoot, it was clearly justified. And they weren’t sued, and didn’t go to jail.
There are cops i know that make dirty Harry look like a deadly force virgin. I know one that took out at least eight subjects and all were justified shoots. They all seriouisly came at him with a weapon. Of course he went ‘looking’ for trouble. As a cop, you can always find dangerous troubleit if you look ‘hard’ enough. Especially these days.
So was I ‘Awesome’? Nah. Just an average cop whose personality had a dispostion for optimal command of situations through advanced skills and preparations applicable to the job description. I realize most cops don’t have that ‘attitude’.
But maybe they should. It always got me home safely at the end of a work day. And I never got sued, or anything, either. And maybe more importantly, I can live with myself for not ever unnecessarily and carelessly murdering another citizen.
Your claim that people pulled guns, knives and everything else on you many times during your 40 years in law enforcement and even when you had only a second to react you could usually gain an advantage (presumably disarming the person) begs the question- if that one second was USUALLY enough time to react, what happened those times when it was NOT enough time?
P.S.- It’s time for your meds again, Mahatma.
Bob Hunt, It ALWAYS was enough time for ME to react? Actually a second was slow for me and more than enough time to easily compute from the vast tactical hard drive storage in my brain the level of physical escalation i would need to avoid unnecessary force, or, to deploy deadly force.
My competition quick draw from a holster was always around 3 TENTHS of a second. My fastest straight punch was slightly faster due to being a more linear movement. This is no great secret talent. It just takes practice dedication. Almost anybody can do it. Those with genetically enhanced fast-twitch muscles and sharper brains, are often pretty amazing. But in street confrontation, mostly of which were really slow compared to intense specific action or competition requiring physical speed, If your tactical approach to the danger zone is correct,(which is the main problem with most of these bad shootings) you are able to greatly mitigate any so called split second ‘Disadvantage’ (poor excuse) if not completely reverse it to your own advantage. Otherwise, It’s pretty obvious you have no comprehension of even the most rudimentary physics of ‘Action v. Reaction’ principles, and optimal advantage tactical engagement applications. This should be an essential part of police training.
And If you passed your 6th grade reading comprehension tests, Bob-O you should have understood what I was saying from the context even though it wasn’t specifically broken down because I’m not teaching a class here, I was only making a relevant point to the article topics.
But if you want, Bobby, I could draw you some nice little stick men pictures for you and explain it in mono-syllabic short phrases if that would help?
If you’re still ‘confused’, maybe it’s ‘time’ for YOU to GET OFF your meds (or whatever you’re smoking or snorting), and clear up some of the shit out of your brain???
I have not read all the comments so if I repeat something someone has already said, forgive me. Have the job of a police officer has got to be extremely stressful therefore you should assume that any officer pulling you over could be on edge. Using that bit of common sense could save your life. Like many have said, pull over immediately, if it is at night, turn your interior light on, hands on the wheel (Unless otherwise instructed by the officer as I was one night at 11 pm because my vehicle fit the description of one that was stolen) and do as the officer says. Most will ask you if you have a firearm. Then they will ask you where it is. Make sure to keep your insurance card/registration/ license somewhere totally different than your gun. This prevents the officer from asking you to leave your vehicle while they remove your firearm and clearing it(Under stress the whole time). The “Thug” culture doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon and with the current POTUS and potentially the next POTUS we won’t see any improvement. The thing is, there probably isn’t many readers here that don’t follow the rules because if you have taken the time to sign up for these emails then you are probably someone who isn’t looking to do wrong.
Wow, look at how well trained everyone is to be subservient to government thugs. I bet most of them would say they don’t like big government, but trip over themselves to put the government’s enforcers on a pedestal.
People will continue to be shot by cops as long as we have law enforcement using violence to enforce tens of thousands of BS laws. If we went back to having peace officers instead of “police” out cruising around looking to bust or shake-down people for ridiculous “infractions”, we’d all be a lot better off.
Hows about people just abide the law? Show some respect and courtesy towards authority? Dont reach for cops guns, dont attack cops, dont pull guns on cops, dont be a pos person, and your more than likely NOT gonna get shot. You ignorant sheep.
ABSOLUTELY, THERE, JOE! I want to get more into this bullshit Gestapo ‘papers please’ ‘Compliance’ mind control insanity that this pre-Hiterly regime is already stoking up in their Totalitarian dreams.
But I’m late for a big weekend of campaign work on Trumps campaign so we can maybe buy our future more time before it’s all over for everything Liberty stands for.
But I’ll be BACK on it here.
Absolutely correct, Joe!
Before a cop gets out of his vehicle I already have my wallet, registration, and insurance card out so when he comes up to the dorm I just hand it to him. No reaching for anything in th vehicle. No problem.
REALLY??? Lowering the visor reveals drivers name, address, etc., And of course if your car is stolen…your info goes with it!!! Hey remove the info when you leave the car! Right? That sounds ok but what if you go to the dry cleaners?. Remove it, right? Get back in the car and reattach. Sounds good so far. Now you go to the drugstore. Take off your info…and then reattach. It gets better. Next you go shopping. Can’t leave the info in the car! Sooooo out it comes…AGAIN! After shopping you reattach your info and drive home..where you take off the wallet!?! to keep the info safe. Question” how many people are going to take the time to attach and reattach over and over and over? Try this. Drive safely, don’t speed, signal all lane changes, check lights before you start to drive, make a full, total complete stop at stop signs, don’t pass the red light and never get stopped. Wow what a concept!!! OBEY THE LAW AND NEVER GET STOPPED!!!!
Here’s the problem with your comment. I have been pulled over for my tire “looking low” on air pressure (mind you I have pressure sensors on my tires so I would know if any of them were low but that is beside the point). Meaning a police officer can simply “find” a reason to pull you over. I obey the traffic laws hell, I am a law abiding citizen. I have NEVER had a traffic infraction in my in my 25 years of driving. In my 41 years on this planet I have never been charged or arrested for anything. But non the less I have still been pulled over for fictitious reasons before. Knowing this I am still courteous and respectful. It is how I was raised. It’s a value I instill in my children daily. The real answer here to be the better man. If you feel you’ve been pulled for NO REASON or you feel you are being treated unfairly rise above the situation. Be the better man. You are dealing with another human being with faults who isn’t perfect. Do not let them anger or upset you into acting out against them, rise above them. Treating an officer like crap or acting ignorant doesn’t help in fact it weakens it. Acting out is just a way for an officer to rationalize mistreatment or worse a “justified shooting”. Even when the issues with equality were being protested in the south the effective way to deal with the injustice was to rise above it. When the black people protested peacefully it united them and made other Americans agree with them that’s how they affected a real change in equality. Nothing that beneficial ever came from rioting and looting except for personal gain. Basically a way to steal and not get caught. But that is a whole different topic in itself. Thanks for reading and enjoy your day.
I think this is a great idea because all the things you need is together. ( Most people don’t know where any of this stuff is or if they even have it with them.
The Drivers license needs to be in your wallet but the insurance and registration would be nice in a place where you know it is.
Compliance – Compliance – Compliance – and putting your hands out the window will probably keep you from being shot.
Mr. Ronald, Mr. Ronald, MR.FUCKING RONALD!
Non compliance is actually part of your Constitutional rights. As long as it is not aggressively violent in that it disturbs the peace or threatens someone’s safety. In terms of police work, it is only unlawful when it obstructs the officer’s ‘official business.’ Again, REALLY and articulately obstructs, NOT merely being percieved and imagined as such.
There is no specific statute anywhere citing and mandating the specifically prescribed in detail the manner in which you should tender your driver’s license to an officer stopping you for a supposed traffic violation. You can toss it at him and if she/he doesn’t catch it, tuff luck, let em pick it up.
THEY THEN CAN’T LEGALLY SMASH YOU IN THE FACE, RIP YOU OUT OF THE CAR, SLAM YOU TO THE GROUND damaging your jaw and neck, AND CUFF YOU SO HARD YOUR WRISTS BLEED. Your settlement will be at least a fast quarter mil.
You only are obligated by law to produce it and registration and insurance card if observed driving by the officer.
However, if you Don’t produce it for his scrutiny, he may ‘ ask you only one other question, (In legal performance of his duty, that is) which is, Do you have a license? If you answer, yes, but i don’t have it on me, then he proceeds to run your plate for the info, asks you if you are the person coming back on the registration and if you answer yes, then he’ll go back and write you two tickets, one for the original stop violation, and one for failue to carry/produce a current license with a mandatory court appearnace, and then make a detailed reference to your physical description, or perhaps a camera shot of you for future court reference, and barring any further escalation by you, he should allow you to proceed on your way.
If you elect not to answer him at all. he may write the more serious violation of ‘driving without a license’ which in some venues allows for an on the spot physical arrest and tow of your vehicle.
In any case, with a traffic stop he cannot shoot you just for moving around in your car or reaching for something. He must see an weapon that the perception of must be articulated as in your hands and presenting an ‘ imminent threat of great bodily harm to you’. (this is the one the litigation Sharks devour the cops on.)
So meanwhile, Mr. Ronald, it would be okay for your wife, mother, or teenage daughter to comply comply comply when the moron fucking cop wants to do a strip body cavity search right out there on a public highway if their brain dead from sniffing too many drugs smells pot on her ass because the toilet paper she uses has some ‘hemp’ fiber in it!? Like the recent cases we’ve read about?
‘Compliance’ is the easiest thing to abuse on the slippery slope of Police State Tactics.
Training the Citizens is the last training, if any that should be worried about. It’s the COPS, especially the Hitlary sanctioned ones which will spearhead her new Totalitarian third Reich, that require training.
But instead, we’re now going so fast down that slope as to start the SHEEPLE training by brainwashing them to ‘always’put their hands where an officer can see them? And that’s the insidious flaw.
The problem is NOT with the drivers who are being stopped. It’s with the cops, if you check the specific incidents? And the irony is This type of despotic behavioral modification of Free Citizens won’t really ‘fix’ the over use of deadly force by cops anyway. What part of this doesn’t anybody get yet? A cognitively deranged and poorly trained ‘bad cop’ will simply say…
“Oh, I thought i saw a gun under that visor wallet when he reached up for so fast. So i was so ‘in fear for my life’, that i had to blow him/her away. Remember i only had split seconds to think and react???”
So Why aren’t the Police being FIRST and Foremost cautioned and ‘programmed’ into some form of non-lethal compliance for their own actions toward ultimate citizen safety?
Yup, Some of us know why.
And This pitiful video demonstrates what their true ‘compliance’ plans are for us.
Mr. Muhjesbude:
You mentioned that you had 40 yrs as an LEO………That’s a lie, no department would have hired someone with your language, attitude or prejudice. You appear to be suffering from some form of PTSD or maybe you just hate the Police.
That being said, the product mentioned in the video in no way sacrifices someones Civil Rights. This is just a tool to help put you and the Officer in a safer place.
Every Police involved shooting is preventable. Almost every Police involved shooting can be prevented by the public being aware that the Police have a job to do and they put their lives and their jobs on the line to “Protect and Serve” the public. They are human, they don’t like being spat on, cursed at or shot any more than anyone else. Only an Idiot would escalate a Police encounter by being disrespectful or not doing exactly what they are told to do.
It is true however that in some rare instances a Police Officer may need more training or slip thru the basic qualification process. When this happens, the Officer should be quickly re-trained, put in a non weapon carry position or terminated. It is also true that in some instances the Agency policy should be changed and/or add updated equipment like body cams to better protect the Public and the Police.
Bottom line: If you have an encounter with Police, use common sense, do exactly as you are told. Give you and the Officer a break.
Think about this: The graveyards are full of people who had the right of way.
It’s not a lie, Kevin. There were no prohibitions or restrictions on words or expletives whenever or wherever I was hired. Even at the federal level? We often used so-called ‘bad’ language in official reports. i.e. “The victim then said” Fuck-off” to the offender right before he was stabbed”.
There was something called Freedom of Speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment back then. It never said ‘right to free speech except for saying the word ‘Fuck’? Now I realize that Hitlery and others like you are getting ready to violate that guarantee with your sacrosanct moral absolutism. It’s not that they care about the word Fuck itself. They want more specifically to restrict you, and punish you, which you would probably appreciate Kevin from your holier-than-thou’ POV, from saying “Fuck the government’.
And in these last days of American Liberty it would not surprise me if, indeed, some police departments do include applications that ask questions like ” how many times a day do you say the word Fuck’, right after they ask you ‘how many drinks do you have on average each day?’ and ‘How may times do you think ‘bad’ thoughts about Hitlery’
And No, I don’t hate cops as such. How can I when I’ve Been One all my life? I actually try to help them from continually fucking up!
And PTSD has nothing to do with my attitude or what other delusions you entertain in your fucked up mind.
Maybe the problem is that YOU, Kevin’ simply are a fucking dummy. You make all these assumptions without any foundation in reality but I’ll bet that your unconditional love and devotion for Police State ‘bad’ cops doesn’t extend to the ones now spending your tax dollars furthering their own version of NSA citizen spying be scanning these .social media and blog sites with a new spyware algorithm developed and now sold to departments that picks out anybody talking ‘bad’ about the police,in social media or blog sites. or planning protests, etc, for yet another Nazi style invasion of your 4th/A rights.
You like them FUCKING apples, Kevin?
Oh, By the way, the company the police now use for spying on your posts and free speech is called GEOPEDIA.
And when Hitlery gets in you won’t believe how they’ll link that into your National I.D.card and facial recognition algorithm software. which is developed by a company from Israel, of all irony and on the FBI’s wish list. And why not? We let them get away with monitoring all your private conversations on your cell phones all these years with their Cell tower intercept ‘stingray’ systems.?
We get what we deserve, and deserve what we get.
The thing he forgot to say was lock your door so you dont think about running from the police.
A simple idea to help keep you safe. EXCEPT when you are driving and you need the visor to keep the sun out of your eyes.
Simply pull down the visor and the wallet unfolds blocking your view of the road ahead.
Dough! I just hate it when smart people like you ruin a good idea with a dose of realism.
Nice idea, but have to remember some and most officers I have ever been pulled over by want everything out of any type of holder. You Know Those nice Insurance and registration holders. Everytime I have handed it to an officer he would get mad and tell at me to remove.
Sounds like a good idea – until he gets to the “or what can happen to you from that one rogue cop”, part of his pitch. Then all I see is a man of color – trying to smear folks in blue of ALL COLORS.
When I get stopped I;
1 – Roll down all my windows – if it’s night time, turn on my interior lights.
2 – Rest BOTH WRISTS on the open door sill, hands plainly visible out the window.
3 – Don’t move until the cop approaches and instructs me what to do next.
4 – Inform the cop at the beginning of the conversation, that I have a CCW and have a loaded weapon on my person (not required in FL, but a courtesy).
5 – Tell the cop what I am doing, when I am doing it – ie: “I’m going to reach with my left hand for my wallet in my left front pocket”, and I move slowly when doing this.
I have NEVER HAD AN ISSUE with a traffic stop (56yo/WM) and my travels bring me into “the hood” frequently – so I get eyeballed & stopped frequently.
If folks would stop being STUPID (ALL RACES) and follow instructions (whether you like them or not) – folks would stop getting SHOT during traffic stops.
These guys are in fear for their lives – and quite justifiably so. In my line of work, I walk out my door with a pretty good certainly I’m coming home in one piece that night. These guys walk out there door, knowing it might be the LAST TIME they do so.
Rick
Rick, should that woman (and many others) have just followed instructions by those cops and submitted to body cavity searches right out in public in front of the police cruiser? Would you want your wife or daughter to ‘sheepishly Submit’ to that kind of perversion of so-called police work?
And if cops are always in fear of their lives as you imply, why don’t they simply find a job where they’re Not so much in ‘fear’ all the time? If you qualify for a police job, You certainly will qualify for many others?
You can’t be so much ‘in fear’ without it fucking up your job performance sooner or later.
OK….now I know you lied about being a LEO. Anyone with any Police training knows that a body cavity search requires a warrant and can only be done by a medical professional. Where in the hell do think you get the right to claim you are/were a Police Officer? You have lost all credibility, if you ever had any. You should be looking for a job instead of spewing your hate and making moronic remarks.
Cops shouldn’t change policy one iota.
Do exactly how you are instructed.
End of discussion.
Do you really expect people are going to put that on the visor every time they get in the car and take it off again every time they get out. or do you prefer leaving your ID in the car where it is easily stolen.
I think its a good idea. I personally know a few law enforcement Officers & many are on edge. Why ? “An Obama created problem” the BLM…When you allow a group to target law enforcement what the heck do you expect ? You tell me & your pals to kill me, how do you think l will react when l see you? I think the readers will help, but it won’t be the solution.
Just a reminder.
* Never consent to a search.
* Practice your right to remain silent.
* Repeatedly ask for an attorney.
Tom,
That kind of attitude is why we have so many people on edge! There ARE bad cops just as there are bad people of every type out there BUT refusing an officer’s instructions or asking for an attorney etc., makes you look very guilty. That’s the entitled little brat attitude!
Sorry Rob, if ‘looking guilty’ or having an entitled little brat attitude was a legitimate cause for blowing somebody away or even lesser levels of ‘force’ by police, I’d have killed about fifty undercover cops by now over the years running across the street in front of my patrol car many even ‘brandishing’ a gun? because it was dark and no way to know they were cops or that they were chasing a suspect…and i had only a split second to react!
But I never killed any. Can you guess why?
One of the reasons is that i can CONTROL “being on edge” And if a cop can’t do that, he should get himself some additional emotional content training/help and reevaluate his own psychological situation quit before he hurts someone unnecessarily and fucks up his own life forever.
Rob,
Using your Constitutional Rights is not an, “attitude.” I never said anywhere to disobey a police officer. Check with your attorney, he will back me up on my statement above.
Rob,
I support our law enforcement officers, and believe that, Blue Lives Matter. That does not mean I give up my 4th, 5th Amendment rights, or any other rights.
Scenario 1: You are driving home late one night, get pulled over for a slight traffic violation. The officer asks if he can search your vehicle. You say, “Of course, officer.” You have nothing to hide. You wait in the squad card with the officer’s partner while he conducts the search.
When the officer returns from the search, he asks if you smoke marijuana. You tell him truthfully that you tried it in high school one time, but you didn’t care for it, and haven’t smoked it since. He asks if you are the sole user of the vehicle. You tell him you are. He tells you you’re under arrest for possession of marijuana. He has found a partially smoke marijuana cigarette butt on the floor of your car that your daughter’s new boyfriend dropped there when she borrowed your car last weekend for the high school dance. You are going to jail.
In court the officer presents your statement into evidence that affirms you are a marijuana user, and the only user of the vehicle. You have no 4th Amendment to stand on, because you gave up your rights voluntarily.
Scenario 2 (Don’t have a daughter, fine):
You have to drive to Madison, WI on a business trip. You are pulled over for a traffic violation, and asked if they can search your vehicle. Sure. You have nothing to hide. The officer comes back and asks if you own a knife with a black Kraton handle, with a 5″ curved blade. Your eyes open wide with surprise, and you tell him, “Why, yes, I do.” But, before you can ask him how he knows about your skinning knife that you lost on your last deer hunt (but actually slipped out of your backpack, and down the backseat of your vehicle), he’s telling you are under arrest for the felony charge of carrying a dangerous concealed weapon.
If asked for permission to search your vehicle say, “No officer, I am running late. Am I free to go?” If the answer is no, ask for your attorney, answer no further questions.
Won’t work for me. Usually keep a 22 pistol up there in my farm truck. Oh well. Cop’s around here know who has guns and who shouldn’t.
Way to make a buck over a non-issue.
Here’s a better way:
1. Be polite.
2. Don’t wear your pants below your butt crack.
3. Be cooperative.
The real problem with a “select” group of society is that they do NOT listen and want to argue and act like thug, ghetto trash – that is the real problem in this country. A plastic gadget will do nothing for those critters running the streets of America.
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And if you have dark tinted windows like me, (or tint of any kind period) role down all your windows so that the officer has a clear view into your car. If you have nothing to hide you should have absolutely no problem doing this. Before I had a CCW, I use to immediately take my handgun and set it on the dash (passenger side) and leave it be so the officer can see it and know right away I had a weapon. Always did it before he or she had approached my car so they do not see me fumbling with something. DO NOT unload it or safety check it… that is a risky unneeded situation. As soon as the officer approaches my car I notify him/her of it. I would say yes it is loaded, yes there is a round chambered, and no the safety is not on… and they would always respond ‘that is the only way to properly carry’ and thank me for notifying them. They also would generally just me off with a warning or a worst a fine for whatever I did wrong a the lowest tier possible so my insurance would not be affected. It is all about how they are treated and the way you talk to them. I live in metropolitan Las Vegas for your information too.
Luap:
It’s a bad idea to display your weapon. Even an experienced Officer might pull down on you before you have a chance to explain anything. Keep your weapon out of sight and tell the Officer you have a loaded gun in the vehicle, if he/she wants to see it, they will let your know……..Trust me on this one.
Good idea i guess but it seems to me alot of the issue result from agitated non compliant idividuals of they would just respect the officers authority with yes sir no sir or mam and if theres a issue deal with it later thats not the time to get irate with a jumpy officer your attitude has everything to do with the outcome of ur traffic stop thats just my experiance
Good Idea. I would suggest turning on the dome light first, so reaching to the visor is not misconstrued. Best advise, “hands on steering wheel…be polite.”
LRIC wallet (C = CCW liscense)? It is a problem that some states require you to disclose your concealed weapon to an officer during a traffic stop, and others do not. My CCW instructor (an LEO) told us not to disclose in our state.
Should you disclose CCW at onset of a traffic stop? I stood outside my truck with my hands in my sweatshirt pockets for 10 minutes, talking to two officers, before their dispatcher reported back that I was a CCW permit holder. I was free to go.
Good idea…..however…….I think leaving license in the car is not a good idea….easily stolen and sometimes need it else where. I do always have the POI and veh reg in the sun visor. I think behavior modification and education are the key. Always be courteous, follow requests and COMMUNICATE and all will be fine. All it takes is common sense…….I know, it’s a super power these days.
I think you are right with “Do what the cop tells you to do”… You may not like it, and it might even be violating your rights, but in the way things are today with cops shooting first, it is the best way to satay alive. Standing up for your rights, making a political statement or whatever other misguided your intentions are for not doing EXACTLY what the man with the gun tells you to do is just STUPID! and the side of the road at 11pm in the dark is not the right place… BE polite(even if they are not), turn on your in cab lights (if its dark) and if they are wrong, take it to court and sue them.. But until cops are trained differently , the only thing that will happen if you don’t comply is you being dead…seems like a bad choice to me.
The tone of your comment is obviously very anti-police. Are you one of them? The problem with you people is that you do NOT listen.
The tone of the majority of these comments are anti-police. It worries me that some of these folks own guns. How do you expect a cop to treat you at a traffic stop if you want to be a one-man political movement? If you treat people with respect, 99.9% of the time they will treat you with respect. Act like a 1960’s hippy at a protest when you get pulled over, and you probably will be treated with the attitude everyone complains about. MOST of the officers out there are doing their job, and trying their best to protect YOU. If they don’t, that’s what the courts are meant for. Is it perfect, no. Do you have a better solution? I think most of these negative comments are people that want true anarchy – and they are the same people that would go crying to the first officer they found if anarchy ever did happen. Even though I believe the quality of officers is declining, because of the way they are treated/sued/etc., by the press and public today, they are not all out to “get you”. The bad cops are far fewer than what these people, and the BLM/MSM want you to believe.