Much of social media is still speculating as to the fate of Alec Baldwin following his involvement in the Oct. 21 shooting on the movie set of “Rust” that left director Joel Souza wounded and cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead.
Baldwin reportedly fired a .45-caliber Colt revolver loaded with a “live round,” containing a lead projectile, that hit both victims.
On Thursday, Sante Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza confirmed to Fox News that criminal charges are still on the table for those who are the main focus of the investigation, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, assistant director David Halls, and Baldwin himself.
All three allegedly handled the pistol just before the shooting, with Baldwin being the one who pulled the trigger.
“I’d be careful using the word ‘accident,’” Sheriff Mendoza said during his appearance on “Fox & Friends.”
“This is obviously a tragedy and it was avoidable, so right now it’s a criminal investigation.
“I will confirm that we haven’t ruled anybody out in regards to charges in this case. It’s still an active investigation and we’re still gathering statements and facts,” Mendoza explained.
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Since the investigation is ongoing, there doesn’t seem to be a consensus from legal experts as to what will happen to Baldwin in terms of criminal liability.
Some have argued that the 63-year-old actor may be charged with “negligent homicide,” which is generally defined as reckless or negligent behavior that results in an accidental death.
A child left in a hot car, an intentive babysitter that leaves the door open, a delayed call to 911 following an overdose are all potential examples of negligent homicide.
Indeed, local district attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies iterated the point that it was too early to make the call on criminal charges.
“We can’t say it was negligence by whom, how many people were involved,” Carmack-Altwies said. “It is a very complex case… If the facts and the evidence and law support charges, then I will initiate prosecution at that time. I am a prosecutor that was elected in part because I do not make rash decisions and I do not rush to judgment.”
But everyone seems to agree that Baldwin and his fellow producers (Alec is listed as a producer in addition to being the movie’s principal actor) will face civil lawsuits.
“There was clearly negligence on the set,” Adam Winkler, a professor at the UCLA School of Law and a gun policy expert, told KTLA. “The producers had a duty to preserve the safety of the crew. There were obvious hazards on the set.”
Investigators seized 500 rounds from the scene, including blanks, dummy rounds and traditional ammo. As to how traditional ammo ended up on set, well, that’s one of the main questions Sheriff Mendoza wants answered.
“We’re going to determine how those got there, why they were there, because they shouldn’t have been there,” Mendoza said.
In time, hopefully the entire truth of what happened that day is revealed and the responsible parties are held accountable.
Speaking of those responsible, what do you think should happen to Alec Baldwin? Should he be charged with negligent homicide? Based on the available facts, do you believe he should be convicted?
Update 10/29/21: Armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed releases a statement via her attorneys, saying in part, “Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from. Hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnessed anyone shoot live rounds with these guns and nor would she permit that.”
Statement from Hannah Gutierrez Reid- Armorer on the Rust set. pic.twitter.com/S0CH5mVQgG
— yasminvossoughian (@yasminv) October 29, 2021
ABSOLUTELY!!!
I guarantee if the actor was a Conservative, he would have been arrested and charged already with a ridiculous bail.
Baldwin should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for premeditated murder.
His statement before pulling the trigger not only reveals premeditation, but also intent.
His subsequent claim that the gun self discharged without his participation; without him either cooking the gun or pulling the trigger, is ludicrous.
In view of the facts, Baldwin has no plausible defense in this case.
He can’t claim self defense because he was not under mortal threat by those innocent persons he maimed and murdered.
Baldwin has a long history of using his celebrity status to falsely place himself in a morally superior position over his sovereign peers.
Baldwin is solely responsible for his actions and is grasping at any available straw to evade culpability, including trying to blame an inanimate object over which he had total buy incompetent control.
What this small minded idiot did was possibly a capital offense and the full potential of punishment should definitely be seriously considered in sentencing this reprobate.
no he should not
“Why is it the left only focuses on the deaths they associate to January 6th.”
For the same reason the only black lives that matter, are the ones lost to police.
The short answer is “yes,” he should face some serious level of charges, but since I’m not a lawyer I can’t say if those would be criminal charges. What really galls me is that he can’t turn off the acting. He has assumed the role of “third victim” in this tragedy and he’s playing it perfectly. His recent bloviating about this being a “one- in- a- trillion episode” occurrence is a pathetic attempt to minimize his culpability. Perhaps he should campaign to ban from the movie industry for life any actor who uses a gun to cause the death of any person on the set, and make that retroactive to this incident. After all, I bet Alec would agree, that one life lost in this manner is one too many. Bottom line — he pulled the trigger and was responsible for any and all harm that was caused by his bullet.
Im no physic and I’m no arm chair attorney, I don’t know what went on there, it is a tragic situation and my prayer’s go out to the victims and their families. I will say this Mr Baldwin has did countless scenes involving him handling and shooting prop guns and yes in many instances real guns are used as prop guns and under no circumstances should live ammo have been no where around this movie set, this is going to be a long due investigation, the first question that needs to be answered is where in the hell did the live ammo come from? What company supplies this particular movie production with blank ammo? Lots of questions have to be answered.I been a gun owner for 40+ year on many, many occasion at gun shows, gun trades etc when I had interest in a particular gun and would ask to look at it most of the time it would be handed to me by the owner and he or she would tell me that it was unloaded or it would have a gun lock run through it but fot those instances when there was no lock and they would tell me it was clear, what did I do? The same damn thing Ive did for year’s, CHECK IT MYSELF, because I don’t give a damn if 10,000 people tell me it’s not loaded in my mind. it is loaded until I check it for myself then and only then will I know 110% that it is not loaded, there’s been countess movie productions where the actor has been handed a prop gun and hears the words action and the gun he or she has is never checked by anyone, that’s just the way it is, why? Because under no circumstances what so ever is live ammo allowed to be within miles of a movie set, which brings me back to the question, Where in the god damn hell did the live ammo come from?
the rules of gun safety…. 1> Assume every firearm is loaded. If I handle it I ensure it is clear. 2> Never point the muzzle at anything you do not want to destroy. 3> Ensure there is a clear back stop or nothing in danger behind the target. 4> Keep your finger off the trigger until your target is acquired. Simple but effective. My guess, Baldwin in his arrogance knows nothing about those firearm safety points. And therefore, yes, negligence on his part. The big point/question, why was there live ammo anywhere near this set? Smells fishy to me.
Phuck-ya, unless you want to blame the gun (which will probably happen)
In the latest comment from Baldwin, that is exactly what he is doing.
He denies either cocking the revolver or pulling the trigger.
That only leaves the artificial intelligence of an inanimate object to blame.
The gun did it.
This website, however, has insisted on changing “cocking” to “cooking” and “but” to “buy” in my comments.
Maybe Baldwin is stupid enough to believe guns function like the internet.
His defense will have to depend upon beliefs because he is far too stupid for rational thought
Yes, he should be charged. No matter who hands you a firearm once it’s in your possession it’s now your responsibility to maintain the safety of that firearm. Especially if your an actor. Never trust anyone with your safety and others around you. That is your responsibility.
Baldwin is a loudmouth, know-it-all Liberal fool at the best of times. In this case, he was too stupid to follow the most basic gun safety rule of always assuming the gun is loaded until you check it yourself and it cost someone their life. So much for the guy who dissed Cheney for a hunting accident. This is a case of negligent homicide.
Of course. If he wasn’t so rabidly anti-gun (F’ing hypocrite!), he might have taken a BASIC gun safety course (why wasn’t this required?) before handling real guns? No responsible gun owner would have ever done what Baldwin did.
Ingnorance is one thing but, you can’t fix stupid. I’m sorry that this happened to him and to those involved because I’ve been on the tail end of shooting “accidents”. Thanks be to God almighty there was no personal injury, just property damage. And is it not ironic that those who talk loudest about gun control or “safe and responsible use of firearms” are the people that understand them the least.
As the end user, Baldwin had the ultimate responsibility to ensure his gun was safe. He broke the first and most important rule of gun safety – “Always treat all guns as always loaded, unless yopu, personally, check to confirm that gun is not loaded”. He broke several other gun safety rules as well – “Don’t point a gun at anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy”, and – “Be sure of your target and what is beyond”. This was unintentional, to be sure, but it most certainly was not an accident. It was negligence on the part of the armorer, whose job was to ensure no live ammo on the set, and that the gun was, in fact, not loaded beforeallowing it on the set. It was the responsibility of the assistant director to double-check the unloaded condition of the gun, and finally, it was Baldwin’s responsibility as the guy who would actually be using that gun to triple check the unloaded condition prior to practising with it. There is plenty of blame to be assigned in this case, but Baldwin is the most guilty.
Let’s not forget that as a producer for the film, he’s also ultimately responsible for all the safety issues on set as well. So not only is he liable for failing to follow any of the basic firearms safety rules at a personal level, as the guy on the trigger, he also has liability as a producer for the film.
Well if he have a CCW license he should be charged. Everyone with CCW have safety training. When it comes to firearms you Never trust anyone. you have to check it yourself once or twice. You are responsible when you squeeze that trigger.
If he has a CCW he most likely got it from the L.A. County Sheriff. They are known for denying average citizens CCWs but perfectly ok with granting them to VIPs like actors who are anti~2A. Baldwin is the perfect example of why the LACS is corrupt and it’s been that way for over a century! The only other categories that are entitled to CCWs are retired LE and fire, and judges. I have a perfect record, took the required CCW course, and was still denied. Now LAPD has been warning residents to comply with criminals if they rob or try to assault you. In other words, you’re on your own yet we’re denied the right to bear arms. Only an idiot would risk death and injury by not abiding by his right to bear arms, as per the Constitution. But it’s ok for irresponsible @$$h0(&$ like Baldwin to carry concealed.
This is definitely a tragedy for the two victims and their families. Obviously, in this case, very carless actions for more than one individual. However, the person aiming and pulling the trigger ultimately, must be held responsible. As we know, if someone hands you a gun and tells you it’s full of blanks and you point it and shoot at someone and you kill them, in our world, you are responsible. Unfortunately, in hollyweird, everyone will walk away blameless. The provda/media, who would have been in full attack mode had it been you or me, in this case, circled their proverbial wagons very quickly, to protect baldwin.
Baldwin was told the gun was “COLD” meaning it didn’t even have blanks. Actors are discouraged from playing with the gun they are handed. I can see the armorer Reed and AD Hall being charged. I don’t see Baldwin taking a hit.
Don
The gun was in Baldwin’s hand.
Baldwin also made a threat about shooting his victims before actually shooting them.
This equals a deliberate act of premeditated murder.
Now the squirming little worm is denying his actions or any other participation in the event by insisting that an inanimate object cocked and fired itself by pulling its own trigger.
Pathetic.
Remember on the film set of Midnight Rider? Camera assistant Sarah Jones was killed by a train. The director of the film, Randall Miller, did not have permission to be on the track, consequently, he was charged with involuntary manslaughter and criminal trespass. I suspect that criminal charges will be forthcoming in this case.
Most anti-gun people are people who know the least about guns. We all know that when someone hands you a gun, that person makes sure you know the gun is cleared and shows you. If not, the first thing you do is check it yourself to make sure it’s cleared. Most anti-gun people would not know how to check a gun. Being handed a gun and being told it a cold gun without showing it, that person receiving should check it out themselves. Baldwin is at fault for not physically checking the gun himself. Never take anybody’s word when they tell you the gun is not loaded. CHECK IT YOURSELF. If you don’t know how to check NEVER PICK IT UP.
I disagree with the majority wanting Baldwin charged. Actors are not supposed to play with the gun they are handed. The assistant director handed Baldwin the gun, telling him it was “cold”, meaning it didn’t even have blanks. The armorer and assistant director were at fault for the negligent discharge. Baldwin shouldn’t face charges just because he is a jerk.
The most important–and basic–rules of gun safety:
1. Treat all guns as if they were loaded–“All guns are always loaded” if you prefer.
2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy–always point the muzzle in a safe direction, if you prefer.
3. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot [insert here: you are aware of your target, what is behind it, and any ramifications of making a shot, etc.]
4. Ensure you have an adequate backstop, that nothing in the background meets the criteria of rule #2.
The prop director is criminally liable. Why was there even live ammunition anywhere on the set?
The gun could have been an inanimate prop. They used a real gun. With that decision, there are a host of very clear safety criteria.
Whoever was to have cleared the firearm and did not do so, is also criminally liable.
Alec Baldwin picked up a gun, pointed it at a human being–why?–Why would anyone do such a thing? Not everyone trains like, say, Keanu Reeves for his shoot-’em-up fantasy “John Wick” films, but most people should be at least as conversant in basic safe gun handling to understand that real guns are not toys, and that you simply don’t point them at people without cause to do so… In film making, actors have been killed by unsafe gun handling/ prop handling… i.e. Brandon Lee in “The Crow.” Some actors pointed a gun loaded with blanks at their heads, pulled the trigger, thinking–or not so much?–that the blank would not harm them, and wound up dead. These incidents seem to have a certain “staying power” within Hollywood, that I’d expect some memory of them to persist?
Alec Baldwin triggered a shot while he had a loaded firearm pointed at people. So he shot them. It was negligence and stupidity, not “accidental.” He is criminally liable.
Liberals love to deride one-liners like “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” And yet, it is true: In this instance, as in every other tragedy, someone treated the gun in an entirely unsafe way, or used it deliberately to commit mayhem, and in this instance, murder. Alec Baldwin exhibits a serious bad temper at times, and even pretty much just plays himself in some roles. The film was a colossal mess from the get go, and crew were walking off the set. The film producers hired some naive, inexperienced person to handle the props. So there are string of issues here, but the final buck stops with Alec Baldwin and his recklessness and yes, stupidity. Now a young woman is dead. I’m very, very sure he feels terrible about it. Nonetheless, she’d still be alive were it not for his carelessness and his deliberate–however thoughtless and wanton–actions.
He cocked gun pointed on camerawomen and pulled trigger and you blamed someone alse ?
Did he aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger, or was he coonfingering the gun, and accidentally fire it?
Don, the ultimate responsibility for the handling of the weapon, is the one that pulls the trigger. Movie set or not, you do not point a weapon at anything you do not intend to kill. If Mr. Baldwin had NRA training, he would have cleared the weapon himself before the shoot began. He has disdained NRA and has shown total disregard to weapons safely in his movie in the past as part of the scripts. You don’t take for granted or someone else’s word for the condition of a weapon that can kill or injure someone.
In literally any firearms class, you are taught the firearms safety lessons mentioned by Dave C. Even if you have seen someone else check the gun, you’re still required to check the chamber yourself and assure yourself of the status of the gun, because the person on the trigger is ultimately always personally responsible. This is a VERY basic tenet of gun handling. Why is it not the first and foremost thing here? Because he’s rich and powerful (and anti-gun). If this were an ND from a normal gun owner, the narrative would be very different.
Let’s also not forget that as a producer for the movie, he ALSO has responsibility for the safety issues on set more broadly, let alone being the guy who pulled the trigger without adhering to ANY of the gun safety rules, any one of which being obeyed would likely have been enough to save the life lost here.
The fact that other people were ALSO negligent in no way diminishes his responsibility for the results when pulling a trigger. At the end of the day, their negligence doesn’t necessarily end up with the trigger being pulled while the gun was pointed in an unsafe direction. Any decent expert witness will say that you NEVER get to assume that a gun you haven’t personally checked is safe, no matter what anyone else tells you.
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It was a wrongful death and involuntary manslaughter.
Alec Baldwin should face charges of negligent homicide at the very least and be held civilly liable. Having said that, I would like to say that I have had a gun since I was 13. It was a .22 rifle and I always treated it with respect. I also had a Red Ryder BB gun and I didn’t shoot anyone’s eyes out. When I was a kid, we played cowboys and Indians and war games with our cap pistols all the time, but no one got hurt and no one turned into a serial killer. To say that kids should not play with toy guns is giving in to the anti-gun hysteria. A kid who is taught how to handle a real gun and to respect human life will know the difference between playing and reality.
I wonder where the victims were shot?
Upper chest and shoulder. The bullet was recovered from the directors shoulder.
Alec Baldwin was practicing cross-drawing a long-barreled Colt .45 revolver on a church set made for the indie-western film when the gun went off. Authorities confirmed that a live round struck cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the stomach and was eventually recovered inside director Joel Souza’s right shoulder.
First point to make here is revolvers just don’t fire on their own, Baldwin had to pull the trigger. He also obviously did not verify that the gun wasn’t loaded prior to “practicing” cross-drawing the weapon.
Here is alec’s response after he killed Halyna Hutchins:
“There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours,” the actor said in a statement after the incident.
“I’m fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna,” he added.
Note that he is in denial about his role in the homicide not accepting any responsibility for the tragedy. In his mind it is just an accident that happened all on it’s own and he just happened to be present when this accident happened. Welcome to reality alec, your cross-drawing cost this woman her life and injured a Joel Souza.
Hopefully baldwin is convicted in this case and serves time. Then he can take some time to think about how ignorant he is for killing this woman.
Probably not Baldwin. He was last in a clear chain of civil negligence. The armored should be charged with the lowest level of negligent homicide. The assistant maybe. Whomever brought live ammo to the set is the most c
Rule #1 of firearms safety: Treat all weapons as if they are loaded until YOU have personally checked and cleared the firearm!
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Alec is the person ultimately respnsible. He failed to check/clear the weapon. Baldwin has handled plenty of weapons in his movie career. Let him face the consequences and be tried as a regular citizen.
Baldwin broke at least 2 rules of firearm safety, checking to see if it was loaded and pointing a gun at something you did not want to shoot.
Yes, he should be charged.
I saw somewhere that Baldwin claimed, “they told me it was on ‘safe'”. While even a minor amount of gun knowledge would have illuminated the fact that an old Colt revolver doesn’t have a safety. It’s safe when the hammer is down with no round under the spur. He cocked the damn thing, pointed at someone and pulled the trigger. It’s like handing an untrained 5 year old a loaded gun and letting him run lose with it. Something bad is going to happen.
Baldwin wasn’t told the gun was “safe”, he was told it was “COLD” meaning it didn’t even have blanks.
She did not die in vain, we never have to listen to another Alec Baldwin anti-gun blabber-ski again
Au contraire.
Try this scenario on for size….
1. Baldwin writes a big check to Hutchins’ widower & son.
2. Production company’s insurance carrier writes a bigger check to Hutchins’ widower & son.
3. Baldwin makes a very large contribution to Santa Fe DA Mary Carmack-Altwies’ re-election campaign.
4. Baldwin pleads guilty to a misdemeanor firearms charge with no jail time.
5. Baldwin flies all over the US in his private jet lecturing all of us as to why the NRA & guns are bad.
Sadly, you are probably right, da_n it!
I personally think Baldwin is at least guilty of negligent homicide for not having checked the weapon first. This is NOT his first time around a gun. That said, it galls me that the liberal gun control left never have a problem trying to profit from using firearms in entertainment.
First, do we know if it was a Colt Single Action Army revolver chambered in .45 Colt or was it a Colt Frontier Six Shooter chambered in Winchester 44-40?? Being the movie is about an outlaw I would think it was the Frontier model because if I were an outlaw in the 1880’s being able to use one type of ammunition in both pistol and rifle would solve a logistical problem most people today wouldn’t think about.
That said as a Libertarian my thoughts are that all three of the people who handled the firearm are equally responsible for not ensuring that the firearm was indeed unloaded (during practice/rehearsal/setting up the scene) and because of the resulting loss of life they were negligent resulting in death and injury to others.
There were already known issues with the firearm in question and at this point it also appears there were enough complaints about working conditions that a number of workers walked off set and were replaced the day of the accident. That’s not going to look good in a court of law. IE “So instead of halting production long enough to deal with complaints about safety onset Mr Baldwin you felt that simply replacing the crew with another was an adequate means of addressing safety issues??”
That said there’s still a lot of things we don’t know. Like, could that firearm have been DELIBERATELY loaded with live ammunition by a disgruntled employee in the hopes that an accidental discharge of a live round onset would bring about changes for some reason??
Obviously, lots of people here feel free to comment about something they know nearly nothing about. Gather all the facts first! The initial media reports are often incomplete or incorrect, as we all know. Let the investigation proceed. By the way, loved Baldwins shredding of the Orange Man who has no sense of humor!
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Never miss a chance to hang a democrat.
Not only did he pull the trigger. He cocked the hammer first. He obviously never checked as is protocol when handling any weapon.
I am 63 yrs old the same as Baldwin. I was taught probably around the age of four to five the devastation a gun could do to a watermelon, a 1 gal jug of water. The watermelon was a reference to a human head and the water was a reference to the human body in general. At that time I was told never point even a water gun or any type of play gun including my fingers in the shape of a gun at anyone for any reason, and it was strictly enforced till I moved out of my parents house. I of course was a kid and had to push my dads boundaries a few times with play guns but I also got several butt whoopinhaler to reinforce the fact he was not kidding around. Buy the time I was 7 I never got in trouble for that again. To cut this story short I realize Baldwin most likely never had a daddy to teach him respect for a gun like mine did, but stupidly is no excuse for braking the golden rule of gun safety. Never Never Ever point a loaded or empty gun at anyone unless you are in harms way and intend to stop that threat by all possible means. In other words unless you plan on killing them. Otherwise by the law is at least intent to do bodily harm. No excuse for ignorance of the law specialty at 63 yrs old. That’s what a Game warden will tell you real quick if you shoot anything you shouldn’t be shooting. So yes he should be charged at the very least involuntary manslaughter. Heck a 17 year old kid gets on a four wheeler and a friend jumps on behind him for a ride and the goes down the road or highway instead of in the ditch, they have a wreck the kid who jumped on back gets killed the driver gets charged with involuntary manslaughter. Not any difference here in these two incidents that I can see.
Amen!
Accident notwithstanding, I’m betting the subscribers to this newsletter would not receive the same leniency Alec Baldwin seems to have received. Just a hunch, but I suspect most of us would be facing a negligent homicide charge.
reguardless of how many people handled that gun, mr baldwin was the last one to see it he should have checked it to make sure it was ok but he didnt do that so he OWNS IT.
No excuse here Baldwin should have checked for himself as any responsible gun owner will do when handed a gun. The fact that Baldwin is anti gun, makes money from using then in movies as well as being a hypocrite is another topic.
It was no accident. he did not accidentally point the gun and he did not accidentally pull the trigger. It was negligence. Baldwin’s negligence, the prop master’s negligence, the firearms wrangler’s negligence, the director’s negligence. All should be held accountable. No live ammo should ever be on a set and any real firearms should have blank adapters welded inside the barrels.
Baldwin should be treated the same way they would treat any conservative actor in the same situation…..
Baldwin is no saint. He should face the same charges, that any other person would face, having done something stupid that resulted in the death of one and injury of another. His very own personality is one that NEVER gives a break to anyone else. He should face the consequences of his action.
If he was just some schmoe, he’d absolutely be charged with negligent homicide because, as the last one to handle the weapon, it was incumbent upon him to verify the condition of the firearm before he pulled the trigger. Period. None of the “it was supposed to… He said… They said it was empty” matters. The others who handled the weapon immediately before him should get criminal negligence for failure to verify the condition of the weapon and failure to have the appropriate safety briefings and protocols in place.
Letting Baldwin off “because he’s Baldwin” or “just an actor” doesn’t fly towards bringing justice to the victims nor setting standards and warnings to prevent this from happening again. It was fully avoidable this time, which is the point. They can try to cloud it with misdirection and “circumstances” but, it’s pretty cut and dry. Thry just have to go through the investigative proceeddures.
It is a no brainer!! With his years of experience of handling prop guns Baldwin knew the protocol for handling a weapon. I have no doubt Baldwin was executing a practical joke that backfired. This is a clear cut case of negligent homicide that never should have happened. As we know money talks and libertards walk. minimum 12 years and restitution for the family’s. The rest of that crew that had access to the weapon should face charges also.
Yes. Sad thing is the corrupt Clinton’s will help him get off. He has connections in corrupt places…
For one thing was there gun safety professionals working with the group during filming? If not the producer in charge I believe is Baldwin, than he is solely responsible for what happened regardless of his name. To my knowledge Clint Eastwood never had an accident of this nature during any of his movie productions.
Dick Cheney anyone?
I have a screenshot of the first report iff my News Break app and the pic shows a Colt 1848 3rd model dragoon percussion revolver and it’s embellished with gold inlays and it full scroll engraved. I looked this gun up on the web and that gun is in the Metropolitan Museum. It’s one of Gustave Youngs masterpieces and it dates at 1853 do it’s impossible that a 6 figure gun would be used on a movie set let alone be fired. Next they state that a vintage Colt SAA revolver was used but show a modern Pietta SAA revolver. This is all theater and a coverup with the cops and the rich and all of them. This was staged to attack guns. I want to see the film, I’m sure it was all filmed.
Live rounds do not look like blanks. This was neither accident or negligent.
Movie sets often have dummy rounds. This set had dummies that look like live ammo. Baldwin could have checked and thought dummies, as the assumption is there is no live ammo on the set.
As a popular Texas comedian strongly suggests, “Ya Just Can’t Fix Stupid”….
I’m just surprised to hear that the movie set’s prop guns were allowed to be removed from the custody of the armorer’s secure lock-up, used to plink and shoot live ammo off set, and then return the firearm(s) to the armorer’s secure lock-up without being unloaded and then afterwards cleaned. I would have never imagined that live ammo would be allowed on a movie set as I thought that everything was done using blank cartridges, fx skills or computer generated images.
Did Brandon Lee die in vain? I thought that serious changes happened back in 1993 after Brandon Lee was killed on a movie set after negligent and reckless firearms safety practices led to a squib sound being left inside the barrel of a prop gun.
Since the Democrats pass all the gun control legislation and Alec Baldwin is a prominent Democrat this should be interesting to watch. The only sad thing here is, a woman actually lost her life and another man was injured as a result of people being complacent and not doing their jobs.
Everyone employed on the movie set who was involved in the firearm(s) chain of custody should be criminally prosecuted along with those individuals who used the prop guns for live fire without unloading them afterwards.
Civil litigation will likely begin where the criminal prosecution falls short but everyone should pay heavily for the loss of life and for injury.
Some people are just irresponsible hacks and this film set appears to have been full of them.
I never heard of this sort of thing happening on the movie sets of all the movie greats who are now mostly gone. I wonder how Clint Eastwood would weigh-in on this unfortunate situation.
Brandon Lee was a live round also
From what I’ve read Brandon Lee was not killed by a live round. Somebody left a “squib” in the barrel and then a blank was chambered behind it. When fired the blank propelled the “squib” as a projectile into Brandon Lee killing him.
There shouldn’t even be a question of should the ignorant a-hole be charged? The question is “When is he going to be charged?” As several said, since he is an ignorant, but ultra-rich libtard, nothing is going to happen to him and the equally ignorant libtard media will not take the proper stance (conviction in public forum) and hold him accountable either. Sad what our country has come to. Lets get all of them together (actors, media and especially congress) give them all fully stoked glocks and tell them we are filming a scene for an Armageddon movie and they are to shoot everyone they see till they are out of ammo!
Everything everyone has stated about this case is fact. He is a liberal and his legal team will distort the facts. If it’s a liberal county he will walk. He’s a liberal because he is stupid and like the sign says: You Can’t Fix Stupid. Isn’t this why this happened in the first place. So sad for his victims.
I want him charged the exact same way I would if I had done such a brainless thing THE EXACT SAME WAY
From a Master Firearms Trainer and Court recognized Expert Witness:
The person in control of the gun when and if it fires is responsible for any harm resulting from said firing.
Manslaughter, (Negligent Homicide) charges, against Baldwin would be appropriate in this case in my opinion.
To quote Actor Simon Pegg in ‘Hot Fuzz’, “Accident implies there’s nobody to blame”.
It WAS a ‘Negligent Discharge” of the highest order, since someone died.
So many very BASIC rules of safety were totally disregarded throughout this tragedy as to leave one in absolute shock.
Negligence, plain and simple, by several parties involved.
What if one of your loved ones died because of an negligent discharge. I would bet that you would be out for blood of everyone on the set.
The original post was regarding incorrect termiinology and explaining further why the terms used over and over again were wrong.
I also noticed that another term “misfire” was being used incorrectly over and over again but why bother explaining that to someone who intentionally distorts a legitimate point like yourself.
As for your off topic question, just imagine how you would feel if one of your loved ones died because an illegal alien was driving under the influence of whatever and had been let into the US by this corrupt weak fake POTUS? What blood would you be out for?
Several years back, a young male actor sitting with an actress he was trying to impress, put his .45 automatic with blank round to his head and pulled the trigger. The wadding killed him. Actors do not aim and fire a blank gun at a person facing them in the course of filming, there is an aim point that is off to the side. Blank or live round, besides breaking every gun safety rule, Baldwin aimed at the person, not the safe point. How many rules do you have to break if you are a left wing liberal actor before you are charged with a crime in this situation? I loathe Baldwin because he is such a left wing, liberal, US hating slime, and he will appear in a movie wearing the uniform of a military service, usually playing higher ranked people. Joel McCray, an actor from the 40’s refused to wear a military uniform because he said he was unable to serve and he did not deserve to wear it. In the only movie I saw him play a military man, he was a Sargeant, and he carried the uniform on a hanger as he played a soldier on leave. That man had character and integrity, Baldwin does not.
Was that actor who accidentally killed himself Jon-Erik Hexum?
So if i am correct, one of the main liberal viewed moral and justice voices in Hollywood, who points publicly criticizes anyone for their conservative values, has a known history of cocaine and alcohol addiction, wife beating and now for killing another person? Great cause supporter they have there. But than again we know a liberal cannot be held accountable for their actions because they are always a victim and in the right.
Hey if I was Alex Baldwin, I’d have a drug addiction just to cope with myself. It’s not easy being SLEAZY…
Should Baldwin Face Criminal Charges for Fatal Shooting?
This is the question.
YES
Well here we go…more opportunity to show our political colors. It will be interesting to see what does happen as I do see a case for criminal negligence on several people, including Baldwin. But the despicable crap coming from people like Don Jr. is disgusting. It demonstrates why cruelty is the ultimate point of certain people in politics. Yes, Baldwin’s fame and money will help his cause (as with any rich guy), but then again, maybe not. This incident will surely cost a ton of money to settle in the civil cases to come. This is one more chance for people to push the buttons of our political divide for simple gratification.
Baldwin is a murderer. Plain and simple! The only question is 1st or 2nd degree .murder. Thefirst shot could have been negligent but the second? He had to manually cock the hammer, aim and squeeze the trigger. There is no question he knew the gun was loaded for the second shot.
Bob Edelstein, there was only ONE shot, it went through Halyna Hutchins and into the shoulder of Joel Souza. He was given the firearm after two people had “checked it” and given it the all-clear as a “cold gun”.
If it was an unknown actor/actress would there still be the amount of animosity towards getting charges filed against the actor for manslaughter or worse? Or would the blame instead be put on the individual(s) who were specifically hired to make sure the firearms were safe for the actors to handle and specifically told the actors the firearms were safe before the accident happened?
Not everyone knows how to use every firearm out there to check if it is loaded and on movie sets that is why there are armorers and others that are relied on to make sure firearms are safe before being handed to an actor/actress.
Alec Baldwin was practicing a scene when the accidental discharge happened where he was drawing the firearm from the holster and pointing it at the camera as the scene had dictated. He broke the key firearm safety rule to never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire but as he was told the firearm was safe and believed it to be as was protocol on the set for two people to have checked and make sure the firearm was a “cold gun” meaning there should be no need to check it himself as “experts” had already done so for him.
However, as a producer, he does have the responsibility in the fact that the firearms used were able to accept live rounds and not exclusively blanks. There was live ammo present on the set and the firearms were taken from set to be used for target practice instead of staying locked up in the safe. The armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, had only worked on one other project as the head armorer and she didn’t have an assistant working with her on the “Rust” set meaning she was in charge of taking care of all firearms as well as loading blank cartridges with the correct amount of powder.
Chris –
That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read up to this point. More information is required to reach an accurate decision and conclusion.
Treat every gun as it is loaded! What is so hard to understand? To even point any gun at someone and then pull the trigger weather as a joke or not is a criminal threat. Nothing will happen to him as he is a rich, vocal,Democratic supporter and will be able to buy his way out.
10 years community service teaching gun safety with the NRA on tour.
“We can’t say it was negligence by whom, how many people were involved,” Carmack-Altwies said. “It is a very complex case… If the facts and the evidence and law support charges, then I will initiate prosecution at that time. I am a prosecutor that was elected in part because I do not make rash decisions and I do not rush to judgment.”
This statement is a classic example of a politician trying to build an excuse for not doing what is obvious and should be done. If “Joe Citizen”, instead of one of the liberal elite, committed the exact same act, there is no doubt he would already have been charged.
Exactly my reaction to her statement. I expect Baldwin to face only civil action.
Look, this is an opportunity to bring opposing sides together. As RESPONSIBLE gun owners, we know not to take anyone’s word about whether a firearm is loaded or not. This was a tragedy. It could have been prevented. I am sure Mr Baldwin is truly upset. Accident or not, taking a life usually leaves a scar. But we need to use this to educate others. Pointing fingers is not going to help our cause.
I’ll paraphrase Jeff Cooper “There are no accidental discharges, only negligent discharges” I have watched my fellow gun enthusiasts in stores inadvertently point weapons at other shoppers to try the trigger. They don’t check the gun the store employee does. They sweep everyone in the store with the muzzle.
If the muzzle of the gun isn’t pointing at something you’re willing to destroy keep your finger off the trigger.
Once your finger is on the trigger you become responsible for any damage the bullet may cause.
Never trust anyone that a gun is safe. Always check it again and again. I’ve never been criticized for clearing a weapon after someone else just did it. Never abdicate your responsibility.
That’s what happened to Alex Baldwin. He abdicated his responsibility to the assistant director.
My prayers go out to all involved in this avoidable tragedy.
Baldwin should be exonerated because he is a movie star and in the public limelight
And you are an a hole….. baldwin needs to be charged with criminal manslaughter… HE’S RESPONSIBLE HERE
I hope that your comment was sarcastic.
Should Baldwin be held responsible?
Well, if one of us conservative commoners had pulled the trigger and killed someone after being handed a gun and were told it was unloaded, would we be held accountable? YES, minimum manslaughter. If it was a person of color killed, First degree murder and store across the USA would have been looted!!!
Even if the first two layers of security failed, it was anti-gunner Alec Baldwin who received a handgun and did not check to see if it was loaded and the first rule of gun safety, IT WAS ALEC BALDWIN THAT POINTED GUN AT A VICTIM AND PULLED THE TRIGGER violating the first rule of gun safety, never point a gun at anything you don’t intend to kill. THIS POINT IS CRITICAL SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO A 50 STATE CHECK AND CONFIRM THIS DIPWAD DOESN’T HAVE A CARRY PERMIT IN ANY OTHER STATE INCLUDING NEW YORK CITY. If he does it is really homicide because he needed training o get that permit and if he has a permit, it needs to be revoked and all his guns confiscated so he knows how it feels to be a loudmouth in a violent society with nothing to protect himself.
He had to manually cock the hammer and then pull the trigger… cocking the hammer back on a single action revolver shows intent to me because it simply cannot go off accidentally.
He did not perform normal safety check and then shows intent to fire the weapon he is guilty.
Last year a volunteer actor at Wichita’s Old Cowtown Museum shot another in a gunfight skit. As in every unintentional shooting, “the gun wasn’t loaded” – – in this case, with anything but blanks. It was bird shot at fairly close range, and the victim survived but suffered severe injuries, from which he has since recovered. Wichita’s police were all over everybody for a very long time, and the last I heard, the shooter has been charged with aggravated assault. I often volunteer as a magician there; and having served in the Army in a couple of wars, whenever bozo, know-it-all actors start playing with guns, I have ALWAYS found a distant, covered place to take a break. 😎
ALL THREE should be charged with negligent homicide – all three touched the gun and could have prevented this death. And the Screen Actors Guild and any other union(s) on-set – be named as co-conspirators in this death – in not having clear procedures/requirement/certifications for all deadly weapon use.
1. How did live ammo get on-set? Why was it allowed on-set?
2. If guns will be used in a film production the Screen Actors Guild should REQUIRE all actors handling weapons to be properly trained and certified in that weapons safety/use.
Did Hollyweird not learn anything from Brandon Lee, 1998 death, or does schedule drive everything?
How many such accidents happened in filming all the Western’s/WWII/Dirty Harry or other cops/robbers/mob sets?
This SAFETY failure is due to the culture of the studios allowing money to dictate policy and schedule, aka GREED.
he should be charged for being stupid if you are going to be shooting a film use blank guns they look just like real ones but you can not load it with a real bullet some people have no common sense
Actually, most “prop” guns are real guns, at least for close-ups.
Here’s the question that should be asked of the jury during Baldwin’s “negligent homicide” trial:
Assume this was a Russian Roulette scene; prop guy hands Baldwin the gun and says “cold.” Would he cock it, put it against his temple, and pull the trigger without first checking the cylinder to be doubly sure that it was unnloaded?
I don’t think he would, either – “Guilty as Charged!”
I wonder if Baldwin thought he was being funny when he pointed the gun at the women and pulled the trigger?
Baldwin picked up the gun, intentionally aimed at people and pulled the trigger without checking it KILLING a person.
Clear case of negligent homicide.
Were this to happen at the home of any other citizen, law enforcement would’ve IMMEDIATELY arrested the individual, but being it’s some leftist elitist they’re blaming others.
Cuz leftists never take responsibility for their actions.
Definitely guilty of neglectful homicide. He had full control of the gun and handled it in a reckless and careless manor.
I started hunting at 12 years old I grew up in a family that owned guns and hunted I was always instructed about gun safety I took the hunter safety course at 12 years old throughout my life I knew that I knew that I knew that I knew safety rules about firearms anytime you pick up a gun check to see if it’s loaded no matter if the person before you checks to see if it’s loaded no matter if someone tells you it’s not loaded you check to see if it’s loaded I’m 65 years old all my life I carried this rule of firearm safety I have worked in sporting goods stores no matter what when you pick up a gun or are handed a gun check to see if it’s loaded this is common sense this is gun safety this is gun education the only thing I know is Mr Baldwin did not check to see if it’s loaded my personal opinion is he is reckless and he does not follow gun safety protocols that we are taught from children up if your family hunts Target shoots collects or owns firearms yes the sheriff is right there should be charges brought against multiple people for their negligence and not checking a gun to see if it’s loaded and pointing a gun at another person which you never ever ever do and they did not check the gun personally to see if it’s loaded because they don’t know what they’re doing Mr Baldwin was clearly at fault and in the wrong you can never ever ever let down your guard with gun safety around guns I do not personally believe that he is competent enough to handle firearms given his character so my answer would be yes charges should be forthcoming remember everybody out there if you’re handed a firearm no matter if five people before you check to see if it’s loaded and you see them checking you check to see if it’s loaded never ever ever failing this and these things will not happen I have worked with off-duty police part-time at sporting goods shops this is a rule that we all follow again Mr Baldwin should not be allowed to handle firearms until he is schooled and shows competence to handle firearms please I know I have repeated this anytime you pick up a gun check to see if it’s loaded.
We all know the anti gun left libs are doing anything they can to cover up this killing Alex Baldwin committed. The wording is easy to see, there was NO accidental discharge, did he accidentally drop the revolver and it went off, did the revolver malfunction with his finger off the trigger and hammer cocked or uncocked NO!!! Word it for what it is Alex Baldwin drew the revolver cocked the single action revolver pointed it at people and pulled the trigger. Never checked the cylinder to see if the revolver was loaded, no matter who said what!! Out come HE shot the life out of this to me young woman wife and mother, than the bullet struck and WOUNDED Not Injured someone behind her. When you’re in the service and get shot it’s called wounded not injured!! I injured my foot this year when I stepped off my little 2 step ladder. There is a BIG difference. The deceit by the left, who will advise him has already started. The liberal left knows their own!!! Don’t be dupped by them, there was NO accidental discharge or any injury period, someone was shot dead and someone was WOUNDED, by a notorious, arragant, character Alex Baldwin, he wants empathy, mercy, compassion, kindness and understanding, but never have I personally seen or heard of him giving any. He is incompetent and grossly at fault here, he failed in every GUN safety rule.
He should face charges, and even if he does his money & lawyers will get him out of it.
For one of Hollywood’s “Elites” to run off at their ignorant mouth about Anti-gun matters, it is quite obvious that he hasn’t the “Common Sense” enough to ever even touch a weapon, much less to hold one in his hand(s). The most Basic Rule of handling weapons is, All Guns Are Considered Loaded, Until You Personally Check To Insure They Are NOT…!
Definitely guilty of neglectful homicide. He had full control of the gun and handled it in a reckless and careless manor.
Actually, I was hoping it was a trend that would catch on in Hollywood. Maybe, even spread to Congress! Good penetration though for .45 LC.
It doesn’t matter if the gun was unloaded or had blanks. You NEVER point any gun at a person unless you intend to do harm.
I think he aimed at the camera, and that the two injured were huddled around looking at the monitor.
Having been a firearms instructor/armorer for most of my adult life with the military and law enforcement, I always tried to hammer home weapon’s safety. Always check the firearm to make sure its clear (empty), never point a weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot, and always know your target. Baldwin failed on all of the above, however, he failed because of one he lacked the knowledge and support of those people that were in charge of the weapons and ammunition. I cannot imagine what kind of support staff (armorer) would allow live ammunition on a set, especially with a crew as inept as it seems Baldwin had around him. The bottom line, Baldwin should have checked the firearm, 2-4 seconds and that woman would still be alive, and the director wouldn’t have a scar. I believe it all falls square on Baldwin’s shoulders, known or should have known!!!!!!
Baldwin should be charged with negligent homicide for 2 reasons; he did not follow standard safety protocols handling a real firearm by inspecting it himself for live ammo, and because as executive producer all safety on set is his responsibility
Let’s Go Baldwin
Of all the comments I read, this was by far the best!!
First rule of firearms is a;ways treat as loaded. Second law of firearms is to ensure that the firearm is cleared when handling in cases such as cleaning, and uses not dealing with range or hunting. Amy one handling and pulling the trigger of any firearm is responsible for any round fired from that fire arm and any damage that it could do. Since all three of them on the set failed to clear the firearm before handling it yes the three of them should face charges. Even though it seems that none of them were ever taught proper handling of a fire arm is still does not let them off the hook as you should know about the tools you work with in any job before using them.
Well, I was taught never to point a gun at anyone even if the gun was supposedly unloaded. In a movie you have to point your gun at the bad guys when filming, but I don’t think the film was rolling and that the people shot were actors in the movie.
According to an article by another armorer, most of the time you don’t have to actually point the gun at an actor. That’s where clever camera angles come into play.
The inevitable result of a culture that has nothing but utter contempt and disdain for firearms, yet profits from constantly misrepresenting them. What about Hollywood would ever lead one to believe that firearms would be treated with the respect they demand?
Ultimately, the shooter is responsible for inspection, safety checks, aiming and trigger control. Yes, many failures occurred here with multiple levels of negligence, but one can never assume that the gun is “safe” just because someone else told you so. Baldwin should face some criminal charge here, but probably won’t because of his celebrity status in a highly Democrat County
Alec should absolutely be charged. He’s quick to spew ignorance about guns and he doesn’t know how to properly handle them. Throw him in jail!
If you or I had done the same thing, we’d be sitting in jail waiting for a bail hearing. This is another example of our two-tiered justice system.
Look , I’m no Baldwin fan ( at least of anything he’s done since Hunt for Red October or the SNL Schweddy Balls skit ), But : from what I read, It’s 90% the armorer’s and Asst Dir.’s fault . The Armorer should have ABSOLUTLEY not allowed anyone to be TOUCHING the guns other than her ( or her asst if she had one) and the actors ! NOT crew/cast members , no Asst Director & ABSOLUTLEY noone brings live ammo on set > MUCH LESS goes “plinking” with “Prop” guns! The Asst Director (Hall) should NOT be assuming a gun on the gun cart is safe , grabbing it and handing it to an actor , PERIOD. All that being said , I’m a gun guy , I would have checked it ( were I asst Dir OR the actor receiving the gun) . But , obviously things got WAY too routine & lax . THAT is the Armorer’s & Asst Director’s fault ( And the primary director’s fault too, for that matter ) .
And why shouldn’t he? If it were anybody of lesser notoriety/status quo in popularity they’d be charged with involuntary manslaughter. No man’s above the laws of this land. My money’s on the fact that they rule accidental homicide and let him go.
“No man’s above the laws of this land.”
If that were true, half of Congress would be in jail.
Baldwin, obviously, has no firearms training what so ever! Any actor accepting or offered a part in a movie, where you will be pointing guns at people, prop or real, should have mandatory training and demonstrate firearms proficiency. A 15 year old with a hunter safety course under their belt, would have avoided this tragic death. If he is a producer of the movie, it opens him up to several levels of charges as well.
The answer to the question is YES, he should be charged with negligent homicide and also separate charges as a producer on safety violations as well.
FROM ALL MY 77 YEARS OF LIFE THE ANSWER IS CLEAR TO MY WAY OF THINKING . BOTH MR. BALDWIN AND THE ARMORER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEARING ANY TYPE OF FIREARM BEING USED ON ANY SET.THE RULE IS SIMPLE. NEVER HAND A LOADED FIREARM TO ANOTHER PERSON OR NEVER LEAVE A LOADED FIREARM LYING AROUND WHERE ANYONE MIGHT HANDLE IT. THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON THE TWO WHO HANDLED THE GUN PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT ON SET.
BALDY SHOULD BE TRIED AND CONVICTED OF MANSLAUGHTER AND RECEIVE PRISON TIME—–EVEN A 5 YEAR OLD RED NECK KID KNOWS TO CHECK A GUN FOR SAFETY BEFORE DOING ANYTHING WITH IT….A GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED UNTIL IT IS CHECKED
If you or I had pointed a loaded gun at someone, pulled the trigger and killed them, and injured another person, there would be no complexities. We would be in jail. I guess being a famous actor and anti-gun spokesman changes everything. What a double standard. What hypocrisy
The first and most basic rule of firearm safety is that when you are handed a weapon, it is your responsibility to determine whether it’s loaded or not. Any 12 year old who has been through the NRA Safe Hunter Course can tell you that.
One can only assume that Baldwin is dumber than a seventh grader and should have never touched a gun.
Yes he should face criminal charges.
I want for Baldwyn exactly what he would have wanted for a conservative, had they shot someone in similar circumstances.
The ultimate responsible person for pointing and firing a weapon is the person that is discharging that weapon. The very 1st thing that anyone handed or picking up a gun of any type should do is check it for the safety of its’ intended use period end of subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone that doesn’t do or doesn’t know how to check the safety of the gun in his possession should never be allowed to possess it.
That’s the reason the president of the United States is the one who has final say so in the chain of command to discharge a Nuclear Weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last “SAFETY MEASURE”.
Well, that’s a comforting thought isn’t it????
The question that must be asked is ” Was this incident avoidable with reasonable and long established Safety Protocols in place?” Experts will say “Yes.”
Next will be “We’re there reasonable and long established Safety Protocols in place?” Experts will say “No.”
At that point, the entire Production Team will be found guilty of Criminal Negligence.
There were Safety Protocols to prevent incidents like this, and for whatever reason, those Safety Protocols were neither in place nor followed, and as a direct result, a life was lost.
Baldwin has some liability in this death. The gun was in his hand; his finger pulled the trigger. Was it negligent homicide, manslaughter, murder or something else? That is very specifically a decision for a grand jury to make. The case for negligent homicide sounds pretty strong but I certainly don’t know all the facts, only what is in the media (and even then it sounds like a PR firm is working to spin it). I hope that justice can be found, for the victims of this shooting and for Alec Baldwin. It would be inappropriate to convict him in the court of public opinion. Our legal system has its flaws, yes, but much of what makes America great can be found in our protections within that legal system – innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof, speedy trials, et cetera. We do not find justice for this woman in the mob convicting him before her body is cold or in delighting in the fall of a prominent political opponent. Be better. Be better than them.
Can you say Ashley Babbit Blue scum?
No, but I can say Ashli Babbitt, the name of that terrorist shot during the insurrection of January 6th that invaded our capital, an incident that has cost no less than five lives of policemen.
In your original post you made a reasoned rational argument in the Baldwin matter but then in your response you had to slip back to your ubber leftist talking points. Saying five people died as a result of the protest at the capital is just not supported by the facts no matter how many times the press says it. One unarmed woman was shot by a police officer who most people believe overreacted. Two people died of cardiovascular disease. One woman died from a drug overdose. All of these people wereTrump supporters which I would think would make leftists happy. The fifth person was a police officer who was sprayed with bear spray but after the event had told people he felt fine. He later died of a heart attack. One could assume the stress of the day may have contributed to his death however he may have passed anyway. In my opinion the people that entered the capital should not have done so. Of course the people that participated in riots across the country also were in the wrong. Many people have been killed or injured in all of the protests and riots across the country. Why is it the left only focuses on the deaths they associate to January 6th.