A radical Islamic terrorist, allegedly struggling with his own sexual identity, slaughters 49 people and wounds another 53 at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. Some members within the LGBT community respond not by rallying to stop terrorism or confront a faction within a religion that has a long history of being hostile toward gays, but by directing their ire at firearms — arguably, the only thing that actually stops rampage killers from singling out and murdering people because of their lifestyle choices, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.
Does that make sense to you?
What if we put this in a different context. To borrow an analogy from Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, if your sheep farm has a wolf problem, would you muzzle your sheepdogs to effectively defang them, thus removing their ability to fight back against the wolves? Hell no! If anything, you put more sheepdogs on patrol to protect the roving flock and, if need be, confront the wolves.
What is not evident to many advocates of gun control is that the universal language of predators is violence. The way to stop predators is to prosecute violence against them, i.e. using force, including deadly force, if necessary. When they advocate for tougher gun laws or bans on commonly owned and widely popular firearms, they are attempting to put a muzzle on the sheepdogs, the good guys with guns.
It’ doesn’t make sense. Gun control only makes it easier for predators to kill at will.
What GAG stands for.
With this in mind, meet the latest gun control group, GAG, or Gays Against Guns. Recently, the group held a march down Fifth Avenue in New York City as part of a larger Gay Pride event.
To protest Congress’s inaction with respect to passing more gun control, the GAG members performed a “die-in,” a way to remember the victims of the Orlando shooting. Forty-nine members marched in white garments and veils, each carrying a sign with a name and age of a particular victim. During the march, none of the participants spoke. It was their way to honor those killed by the terrorist.
“Our stance is a gut one. We’re outraged and we think something has to change. We’re in agreement with the consensus of most of the gun control lobby that there’s no place for civilians to have assault weapons,” GAG spokesman Tim Murphy told NBC OUT.
“Orlando was such a combination of homophobia enabled by this national crisis of such easy access to assault weapons,” he said.
New York City Council Member Corey Johnson, an openly gay man, applauded the GAG march.
“[GAG] is taking this fight to the [National Rifle Association’s] front door. Our community has been fighting for gun control as part of other organizations for many years, now we’re starting our own,” he said in a statement.
Again, banning AR-15s would not stop terrorists, nor would banning all guns. Terrorists, those hellbent on taking innocent lives, will always find a way. So, GAG is just another misguided operation acting on emotion rather than reason.
Fortunately, there are those within the LGBT community who see the world for what it is. They recognize that there will always be predators. For, example, The Pink Pistols have been around more than a decade. They firmly believe in encouraging more LGBT members to carry firearms for self-defense.
Recently, Rolling Stone talked to some of the members for an article titled, “Pink Pistols: LGBT Gun Owners Unite in Arming Gay Community.” Hear what 71-year-old Pink Pistol member Tom Nelson had to say about the matter.
“One of my greatest sorrows in dealing with the gay community is that they’re willing to hold a candlelight vigil for people who are beaten up, stabbed, or shot, but they’re not willing to protect those people,” said Nelson, a mechanical engineer, and former gun designer. A vigil may help the community come together, but “it doesn’t do a damn bit of good for the guy who was shot, stabbed, or beaten.”
“There seems to be an unwillingness to admit that we need to teach people to defend themselves,” he continued. “I’m sorry, but begging for mercy from someone who is attacking you is not going to solve the problem.”
Amen. Mr. Nelson gets it. So do the other members of the Pink Pistols. In the wake of Orlando, as more LGBT members consider their options, let’s hope they choose to be sheepdogs. We already have too many sheep.
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i was under the thought that twains pencil wrote all those tales, you mean to say, a man had to pick up a pencil for it to work?that pencil won’t do a damn thing until a human touches it?that kind of thinking is dangerous
what was it that stopped the guy from shooting more , what took him down and kept the dead and injured numbers from being a higher count?anyone?beuler,beuler,anyone?
Too funny! #gagonit Yep fits the group for sure! #mademyday
The day that some gay person(s) comes onto my property in an attempt to seize any of my weapons, he/she/they/it can forget about wearing full body armor whether it be colored pink, yellow, or rainbow because I assume that everyone wears body armor these days which means that the body would never be where I’d aim…should they make the mistake of choosing to invade my property.
It is almost laughable how many Americans are like ostriches, sticking their heads in the sand to avoid trouble. They seem to have forgotten that Islamic Fundamentalists declared war on us, at least as far back as 1993, the time of the 1st World Trade Center bombing. And, again on September 11, 2001. WAKE UP, fellow Americans!!! We are at war. Just because it doesn’t look like the trench warfare of WWI, doesn’t mean it is not a war. Remember your Darwinism: Adapt, or be killed. How are you going to defend yourself, and your loved-ones, in this war? This is a war upon American Citizens, here at home. Do you disarm your warriors during times of war? You are the warrior, or you will be the slave.
So many jokes come to mind when I see that poster and think of that name, “GAG”….
But as usual, the left-wing liberals would rather take rights away from the law abiding than fight a real problem like crime in the streets for terrorism, especially Islamic terrorism.
Pull your head from the sand, liberals, and see what ir really going on in this country and the world.
“A gun is a tool; no better or worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.” Quoted from the movie ‘Shane’ circa 1953.
My favorite:
Cheyenne Bodie: “A gun has no moral standard of its own accord, Frank. It’s kinda up to the man that’s using it.”.
If they had any common sense, it would be GAT, Gays Against Terrorism, and they would be arming themselves. Better yet GAIT, Gays Against Islamic Terrorism (Oh, wait, we can’t say, “Islamic Terrorism.” That wouldn’t be politically correct). What if the Orlando shooter had hit his primary target: Disney World? Would we then have VAG: Vacationers Against Guns? Start making sense, idiots.
If it happens in Paris, Turkey, or Bangladesh, it is a “terrorist attack.” If it happens in the USA, it is “the worst mass shooting in American history.” And, so the brain-washing continues…
P.S. – This should be a wake-up call to all Americans. We get a glimpse inside the mind of an Islamic terrorist. Disney World appeared too secure and well defended for this coward to attack, so he went after a soft target, where he knew he would not be opposed by firearms. I don’t think it had much to do with Gays, except that it was a night club he had visited before. END GUN FREE ZONES.
P.S.S. : I believe, ‘Antietam,’ was the worst, “mass shooting,” in American History. But, I guess that doesn’t fit their anti-gun agenda. So, the media just changes the facts to fit their liberal, New World Order agenda.
Hey William J. I am a gun totin’ GAY man. Was just wondering if you could post a picture of yourself so if I see you being outgunned, I won’t waste ammo trying to help. You probably said (or would have, if you were old enough) the same thing about blacks demanding rights, you communist.
WTF! I could care less of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation,cat, dog what ever the fuck…have dear friends in all of these categories. These are not the pinnacle of the obvious, brutal, raw fact. The fact being, lets say in a fist fight, you and another individual are toe to toe. The fists are thrown regardless. You have the very simplistic choice of getting your ass utterly kicked, or return blows and DEFEND yourself and possibly survive not knowing how far that other individual will go. (I.e.Stopping completely, or Serious bodily harm and/or death). Letigation and the laws, or the internal desire for peace among men will not stop this scenario. It is going to happen and continue to happen like it has since the very existence of our species. So why are you anti gun, COEXIST sticker types, liberal, or just plain inexperienced at life individuals tieing the hands of those who are willing to fight back and have a 0 tolerance policy of taking shit? You dont have the testicular fortitude and everyone else pays? Makes alot of sense…next time dont call the sheepdog when your getting your ass handed to you, he wont come a runnin.
You can’t make people safer by making them more vulnerable.
If GAG gets their way, I can almost guarantee there will be another massacre like the one at Pulse in Orlando. Of all the people Islamic jihadists hate, gays have got to be at the top of the list. All the love in the world will not stop the jihadists from killing everyone with whom they disagree or whose lifestyle they find offensive.
You know whats so Hypocritical about this muslims hating gays thing is? And I know this from spending a good bit of time in the sand box region….and talking to people who work in their hospitals. Many of them are gay…..or practice gay sex at least….and unprotected apparently. Their mindset is, women are for procreation and men are for fun. It’s an unspoken thing that happens in some of the muslim countries. But they hate gays…I mean HATE gays…..go figure!? You never hear about the entire wings of hospitals full of AIDS patients….not from drug use….from their secret way of life that no one speaks of. OH! Your sins will find you out!!!
One gay or les carrying concealed could have stopped the shooter. Use your head people.
You guys from ‘GAG’ have got to pick your group names better than this. I thought it was some gay guy choking on a ‘D*I*C*K’. What are we supposed to think with that name and the group you are from. I was going to call police but I couldn’t stop laughing long enough to dial the phone. Really guys. A better name would have been ‘BOHICA’, You know ‘BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN’! I have to stop now because my laughing is causing me to be short of breath, you know CAN’T TAKE IN ENOUGH air!
BOHICA — my god that was funny, my iced tea just shot out my nose!!! Gonna have to use that!!!!!
GAG is indeed a poor name choice for a gay group, unless of course if you think about what happens if they see the opposite sex naked, then they gag. Go figure. If they really want to help themselves, they should quit making themselves easy targets for the homophobes and religious zealots. “Turn the other cheek while reaching for your gun” is my motto, and maybe they should adopt that.
Haha! Yeah me too – laughed so hard I think I popped some stitches! Definitely #mademyday !!!
Um . . . let’s see here . . . ALL GUN OWNERS ARE TERRORISTS -WRONG !
ALL GUN OWNERS ARE MURDERS – WRONG !
ALL GAYS HAVE AIDS – WRONG !
ALL GAYS ARE PERVERTED PEDOPHILES – WRONG !
ALL AMERICANS OWN GUNS – WRONG !
ALL AMERICANS BELIEVE AND TRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT – ( ? )
ALL AMERICANS FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY – WRONG !
ALL AMERICANS WANT PEACE AND SAFETY IN AMERICA – WHAT DO YOU THINK ?
. . . so . . . WHO do YOU trust ? . . . and WHO do YOU believe ?
Can we organize a group of gun owners against queers, there is no such thing as a gay man, there is a queer man an a normal man, Fed up with queers and their demands and wants
Seriously? Shall we lock up the queers with the niggers, spics, Jews, and whatever other group that isn’t to your liking? Or, should we just eliminate people like you? I have some news for you pal…It’s 2016, not 1816. Time to enter the 21st century.
John & Others, Why are they (gays) against guns? It was Muslim’s that killed all the people in Florida not Christians, Jews, Hindus but Muslin’s. The same people who killed in Belgian, Turkey, France. California and every where else. They should be against Muslims, not guns.Are they as blind or stupid as our Federal Government, and the clowns who represent us? We are at war! Blaming guns for these crimes would be like blaming guns for Pearl Harbor. (If your old enough to know about Pearl Harbor.) By the way stop calling straight people “Ignorant” because they disagree with your life style We are not IGNORANT because we don’t approve
Not all gays blame guns (including myself). Just like not all conservative gun owners are anti-gay bigots. However, I am not going to go as far as blaming Muslims either. Yes, many extreme Muslims are a problem. There are extremes everywhere. I agree that Muslim’s do seem to be worse right now as far as reputation. But I know many Muslim’s at work who have never done me wrong. I am not going to deport them all because of this one jerk in Florida. You can’t support the 2nd Amendment and support the constitution without also supporting Freedom of Religion. Personally, I have absolutely no need for religion. But to each his own.
“Some” Gays (especially those living in urban liberal areas) are now going after guns. They (like many people posting in this thread) are just ignorant – ignorance has many faces. They don’t have any idea what the 2nd Amendment means. They don’t understand existing gun laws. They think all of “you” gun lovers are the same ignorant bully who pushed them around in the locker room. They don’t want or care to own a gun. They feel they have no need. They have no idea that a gun is just any other tool. They are looking for an easy fix when the real problem is the hate that many of us instill in this world. That jerk in Florida did what he did cause he was raised with hate. Extreme bigoted hate. Not too far off from some of the posts in this thread. Not too far off of what the Nazi’s did. Not too far off what the Japanese did… I could go back thousands of years with examples if you like.
If we could all just live and let die, we would be a better people. I am very sorry to anyone who feels my people have wronged you by just existing. I am so sorry that we have made your life so very difficult. If you would like, I can call all the gay people’s mommies and tell them to stop picking on you. Here is a tissue…
John, I care less what two consenting adults do: As long a you keep your personal lives private, the rest of us have no interest in it. That much having been said; this was a gay on gay massacre by a confused religionist who, (if a gay man’s word can be taken) was involved in a triad affair; only to find one of his partners was HIV+. So he went on a rampage. What better way to exact revenge and at the same time atone for his sin in the eyes of Islam? I believe this rendition is correct because numerous gay men turned him down on “Grindr” – a gay hook-up app. But you see, even if you’re tolerated by society that’s not good enough. You want mainstream acceptance. That requires government as FORCE in our schools; not only teaching our children tolerance for something most of us and them find repugnant, but encouraging them to experiment with their sexuality against thousands of years of conventional wisdom: This is dangerously misguided for our youth – and you had better believe we will not have it. You’ve targeted the traditional Christianity family as your main resistance. It’s the last obstacle. It has to go. Even if that means Islamic jihad is the answer. So in cohort with the radical left, you’ve targeted Christian bakers who won’t bake you a cake in celebration of a sinful union. This is YOUR political ‘Frankenstein’. This was YOUR politics in action – underwritten by the LGBT community. And now the Left has thrown you under the bus. Eleven Islamic countries worldwide execute homosexuals; and like useful idiots you’ve imported that same ideology delivered to you doorstep – and now taught in every mosque. Don’t tell us you weren’t warned; because YOU WERE. Are these newcomers a bargain compared to the stodgy old Christians you despise? I’ll let you decide that. But you mark my words: Your comeuppance is going to be medieval. You’ve made your bed; now you sleep in it.
Maybe “gag” doesn’t stem from homosexuals stirred by anti-2nd Amendment groups so much as a well endowed spokeshomo?
Homosexualists are disgusting perverts, and should not be allowed access to guns under any circumstances. Why on earth would anyone allow admitted sex offenders to have weapons? No responsible FFL and no private citizen would ever sell a gun to a fag. Although it would be nice if every pervert in the country would suck-start a shotgun. I could get behind that.
Wow. Yeah. Uhh. I think this is either A. Backwoods, hill’s have eyes inbred. Or B. A government schill trying to make GUNSAMERICA members look exactly as the libs portray the American gun owner.
Now if I may. Any law abididing citizen. Whether black white blue green anycolor for that matter. Gay straight trans lesb. Christian Muslim Buddhist any religion. In other words. If you are a law abiding American citizen YOU HAVE THE 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. The same ones we fight for everyday. To anyone offended , grow up and realise United we stand divided we fall.
While I’m not a proponent of the gay life style, there is a difference between my judging the actions of someone are wrong and repeating what the Bible says versus me personally condemning someone to Hell. I don’t have the ability to make the damnation determination. No human currently on earth does(obviously I’m not catholic). I can determine that the Bible says its wrong and that it’s not a way of life I choose. But we do live in a free country(so far), and Thank God for that. I think your comments are way out of line and uncalled for. But again, free country. I’m sure a lot of folks on here would like to “GAG” you ….but I figure you probably enjoy that sort of thing. It’s sad that your hate is the same as the Orlando shooters. It’s sad that you are not very secure in yourself that you need to hate others just to feel better about yourself.
Troll…
I wonder if they really thought that name out before they formed that group?
I have a few Gay friends and as long as they don’t hit on me , stay the HELL OUT OF PEOPLES BEDROOMS!
Good people always have a place in SOCIETY!
Now, saying that, GAG? Isn’t that the REACTION when it’s in TOO FAR!
While I am definitely not a fan of the lifestyle and definitely find the rabid members of the gay community nauseating I do find nomenclature (GAG) both humorous and descriptive.
It also points to even a bigger problem that we are having in the United States. We have all these different groups fighting with one another and each one for getting the rights and freedoms of all Americans.
LABELS, is what is killing this country. It’s time for all Americans to realize that for the nation to become strong once again we must eliminate all hyphenated Americans. If for any reason you cannot put America first then you should pack up and leave.
Gay-Americans, African-Americans, Jewish-Americans, White-Americans, or Anything- Americans. When Americans set themselves apart by a label is definitely not unifying and the enemies of this nation are using that to the fullest extent that they possibly can. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights set down that all men are created equal by their Creator. It does not however say that some men are created more equal than others or that some factions need to have more protection and more rights.
America became the greatest nation in the world because people from all over the world came to America to become Americans and to enjoy the freedoms that comes with being an American. All these cultures assimilated together and created the greatest nation on earth. The distinction between these immigrants and the illegal maggots that are flooding into our country with absolutely no plan to assimilate into our culture and to become Americans. They came here to suck up the freedoms, and digest them and then crap out what’s left after they have taken out what they want.
This whole argument has never been about guns. It’s about perverts of every style, color, sexual orientation, or racial motivation. Guns are only an excuse for the very worst of these cultures to bubble up to the surface, in the same way big Turds float to the top of a cesspool. And thanks to the media that’s all we ever see is the worst examples of these cultures. And as long as that happens no one wins.
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE ONLY GUARANTEE THAT THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE PROTECTED BECAUSE WITH OUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT THESE DOCUMENTS BECOME NOTHING BETTER THAN TOILET PAPER, THEN ALL AMERICANS LOSE!
Me myself, could give a rats ass what your sexual preference is, however if some of you “gays against guns” had been carrying some kind of self defense weapon there may not have been so many victims. Also from news reports I have seen, maybe if the fire exits were accessible people might have been able to escape the building. Gun control only effects honest law abiding citizens not convicted felon’s or just criminals in general.
You gays need to go back to the closet I’m tired of hearing,seeing all your gay bullshit your confused ignorant freaks get out of the media and off my tv its discrimination for such a small percentage of retards to have such a huge presence in media
For all of you who are so fond out pointing out what the Bible says, I’ll remind you remind you it says a lot of things that I’m thinking you do not follow or know the answer to, today:
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
So, thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
Your hero and earthly savior Barack Hussein Obama quoted something similar from Leviticus concerning slavery. Well, newsflash alert, that is OLD testament, old Jewish law that was relevant at the time. Too bad your mooslim loving president does not cite Sharia law which IS STILL relevant. So your typical liberal playbook crap of taking Christian doctrine out of context does not hold water (not even holy water hahaha). If you would try to understand the new testament and the message of Jesus Christ you have a chance to experience real meaning in your confused life. Try it, heck, even Pascal wagered it!!
I enjoyed your post; it is well written and quite funny. Regarding the topic at hand, however, Christianity has undergone reformations over time. The most notable is the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, with Luther, Calvin, and the like.
Conversely, Islam has undergone no such reformation to my knowledge. The reason we are even here on this blog is the horrific atrocity of a Muslim evil-doer who claimed allegiance to an organization that espouses 5th and 6th century beliefs. I know of no Christian equal. Respectfully,
You went through a lot of trouble to show you have no clue the difference between the old and new testaments. Lol…
The Old Testament, which you quote, is a record of the Jewish people’s search for the true nature of God. It also documents the covenant the Jews have with God. The true nature of God was fully revealed by His Son, Jesus Christ, whom the Jews do not accept. They are still bound by the requirements found in the Old Testament (Torah). The New Testament governs the behavior of Christians. So no more excusing the behavior of extremist Muslims based on the Old Testament.
SERIOUSLY DUDE!?!?! You don’t even know the meaning of the word “testament”. Educate yourself before you start cherry picking verses and taking them out of context. Really showing your ignorance here. But I guess as long as you carry a gun, there is still some hope for you…lol!
Draino. Many times I’ve seen your comments, and just have to say that it’s good to see level headed people are still among us. Most of the time I couldn’t have written the comment better. And quite often I get a good chuckle. Look forward to your comments man.
Hey retard, the Old Testament practices do not carry over to this age. The Muslims have not come forward in time they are still living in the 1400 year past.
Not to take away from your point. But as of the death of Jesus Christ. And resurrection. The Old Testament is just that. Old. No longer applies to the current world. I am of the thought. You mind your business. I mind my business. And when shit overlaps is when shit hits back.
I must say, I see a deep thinker here, a person of compassion and wit! if you do not believe what I wrote, just look at the other BullShirt! Kudos, my fine human!
Awesome!! I just can’t decide which abomination to choose. If you wear gloves and touch a man are you cleared of the sin in the same way that the football analogy suggests? Whatever the case 49 dead gays all wish that they could have returned fire right now and I wish that they could have too. Keep God and the government away from my gun safe. Straight man speaking by the way.
People that are against guns…gay straight or otherwise…hopefully do NOT call guys with guns when they need help!!!
What? No GAIT?
Wait.. That would be gays against Islamic terrorists… We can’t offend or address the real problem can we? What a conundrum when the left has to actually deal with something that by definition makes them politically incorrect.
Ironic that there would be less “issue” and more focus on the problem if he would have strapped a bomb to himself and killed 300.
No GAIT….but there are LGBT Muslim groups…LOL!! Go figure! I have no issue with people who are muslim, as long as they renounce the violent side of it…..they should call it something else….but I digress. I have a problem with muslim extremists or jihadists. When you take up a mantra that calls for the destruction of people, you have become an enemy to mankind. No other religion calls for the destruction of mankind except islam. Mankind is tolerant of islam…..but extremist islam is NOT tolerant of mankind. This is a cold fact. There is no negotiation or dialogue that will change that fact. Until our country (our govt) recognizes this fact and acts accordingly…..these terrible acts will continue. ALL OF US IN AMERICA NEED TO BE ARMED AGAINST THESE EXTREMISTS!! Be a hard target! or at least not an easy one! It is up to us as Americans to protect ourselves. Not some dim-witted govt twerps.
Great idea, when will people realize guns are not the true problem…it’s pressure cookers, suicide bomber vests, machetes, pipe bombs, 757’s flying into buildings, chemical gases…Oh wait, I’m beginning to see a pattern here….
John & others ; Why am I ignorant because I believe a Man and a Woman are needed to produce Children? That a Man,Woman relationship is the normal way of life? You go and do what you want your way, but don’t call me ignorant because I’m normal. I do believe EVERYONE should be allowed to legally own a firearm of their choice.
There is no difference between to males of the human species being gay and the monkey species being gay. They both act the same except monkeys don’t get in your face with that problem.
No one said a man and woman isn’t necessary to produce a child. I am glad my parents were straight. Ignorance comes into play when you judge others when it really isn’t any of your business what I or anyone does with their life. We are NOT in your face flaunting anything as others have posted here. No more than straight people have done for centuries. Judging gays for their “lifestyle”? What have they done to you? Nothing. Not one thing. Yet, I have lived my life being judged and ridiculed. I will not be judged by you or anyone. I carry a gun to prevent just that.
If there is a god, let him judge me. There are plenty of quotes in the new testament about judgement. I am pretty sure Jesus didn’t give any of you the right to judge me. Get over yourselves. It’s ignorance like this that will lead to a mainstream backlash against guns. Guns will continue to be equated with ignorance and bigotry. Then none of us will be safe.
I’m a gay man that has fought for civil rights for over 35 years. These people are nuts and don’t represent MANY gay people who have stood against oppression and violence with a gun by their side. I’d rather have my shotgun or pistol than have to wait for 911 someone tries to pull a violent hate crime on me. Screw GAG and their foolish agenda!
LOL!! you said “Screw GAG”!!! ROFL!!! Ok….seriously……As a straight Christian American man, I would happily walk along side you in a pro-2A march. On a different note, I know every gay person alive has been told they were wrong at some time in their lives….I don’t need to say it again. I’m not going to beat anyone up about it (physically or verbally). Just don’t flaunt it in my face or expect me to agree with it. And don’t hate me if the Bible does say what “tw” (below) has said(in paraphrase). I didn’t say it….the Bible does. But aside from that, straight or gay, you have the right to protect yourself….from whoever means to do you harm for whatever reason. No one should depend on our govt for personal protection. If we are responsible for our own actions, then we should be responsible for our own protection. I applaud Pink Pistols….and I agree with you, Gus……”Screw GAG and their foolish agenda!” Flowered headbands for everyone….lol
You sir are an American. I don’t feel there is a need to classify you or anyone else. That is what the left and liberal socialists do. They are the ones that have placed all of us into various groups for the sole purpose of ensuring that we will never band together in order to defeat their totalitarian agenda. As long as we are fighting each other, we will overlook their corrupt activities and power grab.
hEY GUY, HOW ABOUT ANYBODY NOT JUST A HATE CRIME ON YOU, EVERY CRIME AGAINST ANY CIVILIZED HUMAN BEING IS A HATE CRIME!! STOP THE POLITICALLY CORRECT BULLSHIT!!! VIETNAM VET
I find the hashtag #gagonit, very appropiate. That’s what they usually do…
What the hell is the matter with you people. First of all you are delusional because you cant seem to figure out the basic concept of human nature. You think God made you to mate with the same sex. God says you are an abomination. Read the story od Sodom and Gomorrah. Second, if you had a brain in your head that was capable of seeing reality you would realize that if one of your type in Orlando would have been carrying a gun this tragedy would have never happened. All I can say is Hell is hot and forever. You should rethink your ways. And don’t tell me you were born that way because you are ill in the head.
I am not going to debate your christian beliefs but I will say that you are completely wrong about “choosing” anything. Did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? Why is it so hard to believe that genetics may have something to do with that attraction?
What I am really upset about is the belief that a gay carrying a gun in a BAR would be a good thing. There is never a good reason to carry a gun in a bar – gay or straight. Yes, you may have prevented some deaths in this case, but if you allow carrying guns in bars, you will more likely end up with more gun violence that compounded over 365 days, you will easily surpass 49 deaths. There are already enough deaths and violence in bars. Throwing a gun in the mix is a very bad idea and would just create more statistics for the anti gun folks to use against us.
I do agree in other situations (movie theaters, work, etc), I would prefer to be protected (from terrorists and ignorant people alike).
Jeez, what the hell kind of bars do YOU hang out in?!?!?
If those are the kind of bars you hang out in, you’re already in the wrong place.
I’ve been in MANY bars, and NEVER saw a fight! But I don’t go where I know or suspect that kind of person hangs out.
Sure, there are the occasional ones where people normally good get stupid, but that’s very rare of truly good people.
I carry EVERYWHERE! Period!
Drinking and guns dont mix. Too many hot tempers. Do the investigation yourself. It is illegal to bring guns in bars in my state (Texas) for a reason. I know a number of bartenders and bar owners. Even the nicest bars get idiots from time to time. Putting a gun in their hand is asking for trouble. You may not get drunk and stupid. Good for you. Unfortunately, others do.
Legal in Arizona for CCW permitee carry in bars even if bar/restuarant is posted. Legal for non CCW permittees to carry EXCEPT if bar/restaurant is posted. Hasn’t resulted in a lot of mayhem that I have heard about.
Engage the same concept as a designated driver. Have some of the group stand off, not drinking, just watching.
Might save some lives next time.
HERE HERE!! What a concept!?!?!?! I think a lot of people would be surprised at the number of people that have and do carry in bars (yes, even where it’s “illegal”) and don’t get stupid. But that number will never be truly known, since legally it can’t be. But the designated “driver/carrier/whatever” s a great idea…..could even keep some folks from getting “roofied”. What?! You want to think that people in “your” bar would never do something so terrible? I’m sure the folks in the Pulse bar thought that too…..didn’t turn out so well, huh?
The plain fact of the matter is many of the post here show why many of the LGBT people dislike guns. It’s the people who support the right are also the same who ridicule, harass or out right harm LGBT. You treat people like shit and they won’t listen to you anymore. Instead of cracking jokes at the LGBT persons expense, why not reach out to them. Help inform them. Many are only fed BS from anti-gun groups because said groups support them. It takes time and effort to change minds. Many will balk at the idea of going to a range at first. But with time and patients your CAN help those who would benefit from carrying a weapon. Or, you know, keep making “fag” jokes and pissing on their way of life and see what happens when 10% of the voting population put into office anti-gun politicians because they think it will keep them safer than carrying a gun…….so theres that……
As a “fag”, I can honestly tell you that you are 100% correct. Many of my gay friends think I am crazy for being a “gun nut”. The real issue with the gun community is that we are seen as ignorant conservative Christians. That is the same group who has persecuted and alienated the gay community since right after Jesus walked the earth. The ignorant and hateful comments posted by the gun community makes me ashamed to be part of this community sometimes so I appreciate your comment. Thanks.
Growing up (and to this day), I was called a fag regularly. I was not out. I never dressed differently. I was just never as athletic or strong as the bullies in school. For most of us gays, we are driven away… out of the small towns and conservative strongholds to find a “community” where we feel safe. Guns are rarely ever discussed by us. It just isn’t something many know anything about. Many are just ignorant. I had a different reaction growing up. I knew that I never wanted to be a victim. I didn’t want to have to count on a “safe community” to protect me. I knew I needed to protect myself. From who? Ironically, I never thought it was going to be crazy terrorists. I figured if anything, I would need to protect myself from either a crack head trying to rob me or ONE OF THE MANY IGNORANT SOB’s who called me a fag growing up.
So, yes, please, all of you… keep calling us fags. Keep cracking jokes. Good luck improving the situation that way.
But I will agree… “GAG” is a bit funny. But keep in mind, that was probably on purpose. My people have a very good sense of humor.
I guess we get caught up in that whole freedom of speech thing. You can always change the channel if you don’t like the comments. Or you can spit what your “GAG”ing on and we can ignore you right here. But really, I’d march down the street with the “Pink Pistols” in a pro-gun rally any day. I try not to take myself too seriously….and every idiot in America has a right to their opinion(Just like you). But if you can’t take a few jokes about your own lifestyle…..you have worse issues to deal with. Admit it…the LGBT community is screaming to be made fun of! Everyone thinks it’s was funny when “In Living Color” or “SNL” does it….?!?! And you MUST be a diluted democrat to think that the Govt will protect you from everything. Take personal responsibility and protect yourself!!! It’s your God -given right….just like it is to choose your lifestyle. Did you get permission from the Govt to be born? Did you get permission from the Govt to live your life-style? Hmm? Why would you depend on the Govt to protect you? Can you say “freedom”? It’s what this country was founded on. Deal with it. And sorry, but I think your 10% figure is WAY over stated….but I guess if you believe Govt is the answer to everything, you would “spit” their distorted facts. …..so there’s that……..with 2 snaps, a twist, and a whip!!! ….or would you prefer 3 snaps in Z formation…???? ROFL!!!!!
Yep – you certainly have the right to make jokes. They can even be funny.
You just need to keep in mind that, like it or not, you’re effectively operating as PR for the pro-gun movement. Do you think it’s helpful PR or harmful PR to be ripping on other people?
What would help the pro-gun movement more: gay jokes, or being friendly and encouraging them to arm themselves?
Liberty is good for both groups.
I’m an “equal opportunity joke maker”….Like In Living Color….every one needs made fun of……even us uptight, corncob up our butts Christian gun owners. And I do joke on myself (and life-style type)as much as I do others……….except for maybe the ignorant democrats….I joke on them pretty hard. They are easier joke targets than gays. But seriously…..ARM YOUR SELVES!!! Gay or straight!! You have the inherent right to self protection….regardless of life-style preference. Crime doesn’t discriminate….it occurs among all people(obviously). And just because I choose to protect myself using deadly force doesn’t mean I don’t love the person trying to do me harm. We are to love all our neighbors after all.
I do the same with jokes, let’s see if you hard this one. 2 gay guys are walking along holding hands and talking. Across the street coming toward them is a gorgeous beautiful blond, with low cut shirt, short mini dress and high heals beautiful. Well 1 gay guy looks at her and whistles at her. His friend says to him hay what is going on what was that all about? The first gay guy says to him when I see a woman as beautiful as she is It almost makes me wish I were a LESBIAN!
Onthe wall…………ROFL!!!! So then you have to ask….was he really gay? Lol! Sometime I think I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body….LOL!!! Thank goodness for that!!!
Thank you for saying this, I completely agree. You don’t win hearts or minds by breaking people down. Gun owners hate being labeled as maniacs, they can’t turn around and berate other groups.
Well said. Holy crap people – get over yourselves. Live and let live. I stopped “hating” gays by about age 13. When are you going to grow up?
I don’t remember Jesus saying “Love thy neighbor … unless they’re gay.”
They could have also named the Group FAGS Fags against Guns , which would also have been appropriate as well./
GAG 🙂 I guess if the shoe fits 🙂 what a screwed up world we live in.
Never have I been one to Sugar Coat certain subjects, That is after all why we have the ” Right To Free Speech “
GAG….lol! Heard there was more than one shooter. Thus, a FF for gun control.
Well you were warned. Your choice is ridiculous but so be it. Seems to me you’re doing this for the wrong reasons.
But it was a good guy with a gun that stopped the bad guy, so it must be the individual that dictates how a gun is used. More knee-jerk reactions from people who don’t want to accept the reality that it is upon the individual to protect themselves in public.
“Our stance is a gut one…”
That’s all I needed to hear. Anything that follows that is complete horse shit.
“GAG”….LOL….that’s just a wrong name on so many levels…..but seriously……I saw my next bumper sticker in this article: “Gun control only makes it easier for predators to kill at will.” The Orlando shooting or ANY shooting is a sad situation for sure no matter what the sexual orientation, skin color, race or whatever innocent people are killed. Making more defenseless people (via gun control) isn’t the answer!!! Get a clue!!! Good analogy, BTW. Good article!
At least they didn’t call themselves GAG&SPIT…
ROFL!!!! I know right?!?!?
100% Of that dribble is anti gun and ZERO about the islamic terrorist that did the deed. The murderer was no different from others in the Sand Box that behead, burn alive, drown, stone or throw Homosexuals off buildings! Why the hell is that? Where is their one big united voice against the root cause of the attack? They fail to understant or delibertly choose to ignore the reality of the event. I see their protests, their signs and they never place blame where it belongs. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE where does that get you: No where! They want to be loving sheep and they want ALL AMERICANS to be disarmed sheep waiting for the wolf with them. Go search history, lay down your sword before a ruthless enemy and the slaughter will sweep far and wide. Its still a partially free Country. LGBT’s can play their anti gun game, but don’t expect protection from anyone. Even the cops who were there from the start did not stop it until hours later at the cost of many lives. You don’t want a gun: fine. But don’t you dare try to take mine and say replace it with LOVE. You need to ask your fellow LGBT suvivors if they would have prefered to have a gun or not. The dead can’t answer but since their gone and didn’t volunteer to die for the sake of LOVE: I think every one would rather have had a fighting chance with a gun. You don’t speak for them. Don’t be pacifist humanitarian cowards. If you value your life and the lives of the ones you love: get training, get a gun and be responsible for your life. You keep screaming for equality, good. Guns are the greatest equalizer between good and evil. How equal do you want to be?
Well said! Short, open, to the point! Do you or do not want to be sheep? I’d rather be a wolf!
Very well said! I agree, Thanks for writing this and why people cannot see the real problem is beyond me. Does GAG not have the courage to confront the muslims? Does GAG only want to demonstrate against law abiding gun owners who will not retaliate? Why doesn’t GAG protest against muslims who commit these atrocities and will retaliate? I tell you why. They are afraid of the muslims and will not offend them out of this fear. Misguided people!
Very well said! I agree, Thanks for writing this and why people cannot see the real problem is beyond me. Does GAG not have the courage to confront the muslims? Does GAG only want to demonstrate against law abiding gun owners who will not retaliate? Why doesn’t GAG protest against muslims who commit these atrocities and will retaliate? I tell you why. They are afraid of the muslims and will not offend them out of this fear. Misguided people!
Id rather be the Sheepdog .
I agree. This is well stated.