Los Angeles City Attorney Mike Feuer (Photo: Los Angeles)
If gun control is good at one thing it’s turning law-abiding citizens into unsuspecting law breakers. Case in point, an ordinance passed in Los Angeles over the summer that criminalizes the possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
Today, those magazines are lawful property. By Thursday, Nov. 19, those magazines will be contraband, and anyone caught with one will be slapped with a misdemeanor.
Sadly, a request for an injunction on the ordinance, which would have prevented it from rolling out until the case against the ban was decided in court, was denied by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge James Chalfant this week.
“This is a victory for common sense gun violence prevention laws,” said City Attorney Mike Feuer, in reference to the judge’s decision. “The use of these magazines has so often led to tragedy. This law will help prevent those horrible events in the future.”
City leaders are instructing gun owners to turn over their magazines to law enforcement.
“The City Council banned the possession of large-capacity magazines to give law enforcement another tool to keep people safe and get these dangerous devices off the streets,” said City Councilmember Paul Krekorian, author of the law.
“Starting next week, Los Angeles will start enforcing and upholding the ban. I urge anyone currently in possession of these illegal magazines to turn them in at an LAPD station before enforcement begins,” added Kerkorian.
However, gun rights activists say the battle is not over. While they are encouraging gun owners to follow the new law, they are going to continue to pursue their lawsuit challenging the city’s mag ban.
The case is tentatively scheduled to be heard in the summer of 2016.
Serious question, what would you do with your magazines if you were a Los Angeles resident?
Temporarily send the mags to a relative of friend out-of state. Wait for the SC to over turn the ban as it is in violation of the Constitution as infringement.
Oh, and then vote these idiots out of gov’t; all of them.
Mr Feurer are you really as stupid as that statement makes you seem. as long as your sanctuary cities are turning mr. obama’s favorite convicts loose there will be plenty of illegal things happening in your socialist republic of californication. this ban will have no effect on any murder in your state only your good law abiding citizens. where did you go to school to become so stupid?
Anyone; Feinstein, Brown, Bocera, Feuer, or anyone else; who claims that such policies will stop future acts is a liar unless they can prove that they can see into the future and that passage actually prevented such acts. Even then, they will also have to prove that all criminals declined to use anything larger than a 10 round magazine, and they would have to prove that a law abiding citizen intentionally went out and got a so-called “high capacity” magazine and used it in a criminal act.
Doesn’t take much scrutiny of the video to see that this was a publicity stunt pulled together by LA Councilman Paul Krekorian. Using the typical time-tested emotional appeals which, as they enter the left ear, nudge the critical thinking skills of the ignorant and weak-minded recipient out the right ear.
“People don’t need 100-rd magazines and AUTOMATIC WEAPONS to defend their homes.” he rants. Looking past the fact that this guy gives no sourcing for the countless hours of research he and his staff must have logged to reach the conclusion which empirically shows what type of device(s) the average person should keep on hand to be safe from harm. Notice how he seamlessly moved the goalpost? This ordinance has nothing to do with “automatic weapons,” already so tightly regulated that, unless he does a tour in the military, your average law-abiding enthusiast will almost certainly never shoot (let alone OWN) one.
Which brings us back to our poster child, son of theFoster Family, who was killed in an attack that the passage of this law would have done absolute zero to prevent. It’s hard to call people like the Fosters out. Life, along with one or more pieces of human flotsam, has shit on them. However, if the gun used against them was fully “automatic” as they claim, and their car was hit with more than ten rounds (again, their words) then their participation in this legislation is nothing more than sound-byte material. This is NOT their fight. Worse, it makes the Fosters look like “professional mourners.”
To be dispossed of personal property by a local ordinance is a violation of the 4th Amendment, unlawful search and seizure. LAs intent seems to be voluntary compliance. Everyone should write letters & send messages to state & local law makers as well as the tourism industry stating that you refuse to visit a state that allows a violation of your constitutional rights. The loss of tourism income speaks volumes.
I don’t know where this concept of punishing the innocent for the actions of the guilty came into being. Foreign concept to me. Certainly is not authorized by the Constitution. First time I encountered it was in the service. Our commander punished the whole squadron because somebody broke into the vending machine in the barracks. In those days ANYONE could come on base. Since the barracks were never locked and because the squadron was away working for most of the day, there was plenty of opportunity for strangers to break into the machine. But we were all punished.
what a pathetic bunch of Whores in the LA government including the whore judges. what about the criminals will they be turning there magazines in also, I have never witnessed such a bunch of ignorant a-holes in all m y born days.
I occasionally travel into or through Los Angeles. I will stuff an empty hi-cap mag under my seat just so I can sit smugly as I break their (LA City’s) stupid fucking law. What a bunch of libtard dumbshits. And, in response to those who rail about LA enacting laws that supersede State or Federal laws, they can. they can make laws that are more stringent, never less stringent. Look at local building codes. Many adopt the National Building Code, but many cities also modify the NBC to be more stringent. This is how we wind up living in places that have what seem like unreasonable restrictions on our life and liberty. You can only defeat the assholes that enact these sorts of insults at the ballot box. the dumbshit city attorney is an elected position, as are the city council positions. If enough LA residents voice their opinion at the next round of elections for local politicians (including judges, such as the asshole that refused to grant the injunction) then the newly elected politicians might think twice about trampling constitutional rights in the guise of political correctness and/or buckling under the pressure of libtard fools in the form of political action groups or celebrity individuals. Asshole california liberals.
Have someone outside of LA hold them for me. If the law is found to be not valid, I could get them back. If the law is found to be valid, I would still have them available, if needed.
Any one who lives in the “Peoples Republic of Kalifornia” brought this on themselves with their left wing, tree hugging attitudes. As you sow, so shall you reap!
Are there two standards in Los Angeles, one for law enforcement officers and another for civilians? Does this new ordinance apply to LAPD officers on-duty or off. How about L.A. County deputy sheriffs and CHP troopers? How about federal law enforcement officers? Are the citizens a bunch of sheep who’ll put up with having their rights abridged by an out of control city council, dominated by radical libs?
What is the benefit of this ordinance anyway? People will just carry two or three extra magazines. So instead of having a pistol with 15 or 16 rounds, they’ll 20 or 30 extra rounds in their spare magazines. Don’t these city council morons know it takes less than two seconds to load another magazine? I guess they will next enact an ordinance outlawing the ownership and possession of more than one magazine. It never fails to amuse me when people try to regulate something about which they are totally ignorant. It’s kind of like giving PETA the power to issue hunting licenses.
Colorado passed the 10 round limit on magazines several years ago. However, most of the Colorado sheriffs refused to enforce it, saying it violated the 2nd amendment. The sheriff is the highest elected officer in the state (all states) on legal enforcement matters, because the the US Supreme Court held a county sheriff is the ultimate elected authority on enforcement of the law in his county. Even the FBI, Homeland, and other Federal Agencies must now get prior permission from the sheriff to enter and operate in the sheriff’s county – the sheriff’s authority trumps all federal agency’s legal enforcement (and investigations) federal businesses. (The FBI was pissed at the Supreme Court finding almost 10 years ago – but it holds.)
So, in all states the Governor and lesser politicians have no authority over the sheriffs. The sheriffs work directly for the voters. In Colorado, nearly all the Sheriffs told the Governor that the law he signed violated the constitution and they would not enforce iit. And, the city police are under the sheriff’s authority, and the police don’t enforce it either. This US Supreme Court finding has been was followed by total silence by the Governor and his cronies, we never hear anything about the “10 rd limit law”. So, make friends with your sheriff – they are actually more powerful than the Governor and usually friendly to law-abiding shooters. Dr. J. Burnett
Went to a gun show in Denver early this year. Lots of Hi-Cap magazines for sale.
Are there two standards in Los Angeles, one for law enforcement officers and another for civilians? Does this new ordinance apply to LAPD officers on-duty or off. How about L.A. County deputy sheriffs and CHP troopers? How about federal law enforcement officers? Are the citizens a bunch of sheep who’ll put up with having their rights abridged by an out of control city council, dominated by radical libs?
Well, when you elect a bunch of radical a-holes, you get a bunch of sh*tty laws. It goes with the territory, Los Angeles. Get used to it, because it’s going to get much worse. They will be coming for your ARs next and they will eventually make possession of all high capacity magazines a felony.
ATTENTION….ALL CRIMINALS…
The State of California says turn in your extended magazines…
Let me know how that goes….
When does California insist on passing gun laws in response to shootings in other states?
It’s one thing if they’re reacting to something that happened within the state, but California already has the strictist gun laws in the nation. Some states have really loose gun laws and if a shooting happens in a state with loose gun laws it’s those loose gun laws that are the problem not lack of regulation in California.
Using shootings in other states as a reason to pass this law is stupid because it won’t prevent a single shooting from happening again in another state.
So how will this affect people driving through LA. I live in a county that doesn’t ban high cap mags and am driving to another County that doesn’t ban high cap mags. If I get pulled over in LA do I get arrested?
“Serious question, what would you do with your magazines if you were a Los Angeles resident?”
Serious answer: I would take a picture of them, set the magazines off to the side and not get caught with them until after the case is resolved in my favor, assuming that it would be, and still keep them regardless. But, I would also send copies of the picture to the mayor and all of the council members, anonymously to protect myself, with a note that would read, “You are welcome to come kick my door in to try and take them, but rest assured that if you do, that you will be met by them along with other items that your family, friends, and neighbors will wish that you hadn’t while reflecting back to happier times in their lives, seriously”.
The NYS Safe Act banned the AR-15; and then “grandfathered” (via mandatory registration) those currently owned – estimated to be roughly a million. Would you like guess how many New Yorkers (upstaters) registered their rifles?…33,000. My advice to anyone living in a blue state or city is keep a gun and don’t register shyt!!…It only means they will take it away from you later. If you ever have to use it, your story is you shot the dirtbag with his own gun after a scuffle. I know at least one cop who did that for a bodega owner who killed an armed robber in his store and he says most cops would do the same. In fact, they all say when a victim turns the tables on a robber and blows him away they’re glad. IGNORE THE LAW – HIDE YOUR GUNS. Rent a gun for practice at the range. Then try to move to a place that respects your right to be armed.
Come & take it . Doom on you , gun grabbers.
California is the land of thugs! The gang bangers, drug dealers, rappest,etc get a slap on the wrist compared to the rest of the world and therefore spread their disgusting scum to the next generation to be ponds for capitalization by the government! We have the worst judicial system in the entire world! Then we have the communist party lobbing liberals to disarm the firepower of the citizens while they try to smuggle and make ISIS terrorist citizens of this country by getting the idiots of this country to believe that the Department of Homeland of Security can screen them out from the refugees without stating their plans on how to do it. That is because there is no real plan to screen people from a 4th world country with no social security numbers or background history. We are going to end up like the Gaza strip, especially California.
If this is a misdemeanor, how does the city know who has these mags? I would not give them anything. Your property cannot be searched without a warrant. If the mag is not visible, no problem.
Hey Sanctuary LA who houses, feeds and cloth’s criminals, COME get my hi caps, dare you!!!
I am sure that all the gang members and other criminals will be among the first to turn in their “high capacity” magazines, NOT!
Maybe someone should open a storage store outside the city limits where you could store your hi-cap mags till this is resolved-rent lock boxes so folks can access them on the way to the range -also just carry 10 -10rd on you just in case -PMB
I live in northern Arizona, and I’d be glad to hold any Californian’s hi-cap mags for $1.00 a year until such time as the law is overturned or they move out of California.
Well citizens here we have another superfluous law to add to the other hundreds of unconstitutional laws already being put into the books. I have never seen in my whole life the inept people we have as so called leaders in our country, states, or cities making idiotic laws. These new laws are nothing more than the government’s attempt to disarm the citizens. The person in the white house pretending to be a president has set his agenda and he’s doing it right infront of our very eyes. The liberals in CA or progressives dominate the state..this includes the judicial system. The liberal judges deciding that laws can be passed with out a vote by the citizens is nothing short of dictatorship. I read all these comments from concerned citizens about the 2nd amendment and our other rights and realize they are being infringed upon daily by the government. But, we can complain about these issues all day long. However, all the bitching in the world won’t accomplish a dam thing. I can tell you all , vote these incompetent fools out of their cozy seats in the government and lets get common sense people into the areas of the government that make sound decisions. There’s way too many laws on the books now and realistically everyone is in some way breaking some. A person would have to be a computer to remember them. Obama and his constituents and followers who buy off on his rhetoric that spewes from his lying mouth should be the ones in prison for rights violations. He is on top of freeing prisoners who committed felonious crimes which no doubt caused the demize or deaths of many Americans. But dumbama thinks that’s okay…. Realistically my fellow law abiding citizens it’s time to fight back.
Nothing new for Mexifornia. Certainly glad I don’t live there. But. the fortcoming megaquake should keep this idiocy from spreading…
Make note of the city attorney and judge
next time elections come up.
California! It’s the land of fruits,nuts and flakes!
Only the newly-emboldened criminal movement will have weapons soon if this keeps up.
As pointed out above our constitution includes our Bill of rights and is the supreme law of the United States. It is my personal conviction based upon the precious document that we are under no obligation to obey laws known to be unconstitutional. I live in California and I will never give up my magazines or my guns. I think it is time for a revolt against these tin horn tyrants we have carelessly put into office. What can they do? If we all refuse we win. Think about it. The country was won by blood and it has cost blood to keep it. We must fight to stay free so lets stop whining and crying and do the honorable thing…..FIGHT!
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
Thomas Jefferson
I believe Jefferson was referring to a time such as ours…Glad i don’t live in a gun-grabbing, liberal state.
All said…get rid of the liberals in the justice system, court rooms, supreme court, attorneys, and replace them with people of common sense who can make rational decisions for the citizens of our country. Appoint attorneys, judges, and citizens who will come up with realistic solutions and not knee jerk reactions to things they have no concepts about. Prosecute the real criminals that don’t care about laws or going to prison. The gun laws in this country are sufficient and some no doubt have to be abolished. First we have to vote out the anti gun politicians and educate all of them and United States citizens how to use and not abuse the second amendment…it’s time …if we wait any longer we’re done. Start flooding your state politicians, senators, congress , and white house to let them know “We The People” run the country not them. They work for us and oslobma needs to realize he’s a temporary resident in the white house. He’s the reason for the state of affairs taking place in our nation….GOD YOU ALL …Americans.
Living in LA (sucks) but that is a symptom of a state that has gladly handed out driving licenses to illegals,
while curtailing the gun rights of citizens. Go figure… Easy to go crying its the liberals, but this state is actually
very conservative and Republican. A fact lost on most. Just people are lazy as all get out here and our voting turn out is horrible.
25% primary 42% general. That is a green light for this type of HAHA.
VOTE people.VOTE councilman Kevorkian out.
I own homes in two states that still allow (as I write this) citizens to own large capacity magazines. I urge that any Californians affected by the law send their magazines, now illegal by judicial fiat, to friends or family in a state where citizens still retain reasonable right to self defense, or better yet, bury them in their back yard. When will the honest and non-criminal citizens protest these socialist actions? If we do not organize and challenge these violations of our civil rights, ala “Black Rights Matter”, Mexican and other illegal immigrants, the Ferguson and Baltimore rioters, and the latest campus protestors, then we can only blame ourselves. Our forefathers fought for our freedoms, but apparently the silent majority in America is not willing to protest or fight to keep the American way of life. If so, we can only blame ourselves!
In the words of the Spartan, King Leonidas, Molon Labe, Come and take it if you think you can! If you let the LEO’s take your magazines today then tomorrow you will let them take your guns and down the road you will be slaves to a very corrupt tyranny. The constitution clearly states that we, you and I, not only have the right, but also the duty to resist this kind of tyranny with any amount of force necessary. If you are an American, then you are not doing anyone any favors by your compliance with this very unlawful law.
“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson
WAKE UP folks. If you need a History lesson look to either the 1930s in Germany or the decline of gun rights in the UK. Do you really want to go there? you are getting so very close to a point of no return. When the Gun grabbers are done you will have nothing with which to defend your other rights…
So a mass shooter or thug can just carry three guns. When one is out of ammo put it away and pull out another in about one or two seconds. The lawful citizen ends up stuck with a crippled capacity magazine. Better go with 10 millimeter or a .45 Auto handgun if you live in Los Angeles (if they even allow you to have that).
The criminals will not follow this law California. There are at least 100 million magazines that 11 or more rounds in the United States. This is about controlling the common citizen, not criminal control. It is tyranny.
fuck Los Angeles, this law is unconstitutional, if I lived in L.A. I would not obey this bullshit law I would not turn my personal property over to the City.
Because its alway that 12th bullet that’s the killer. I bet all of LA’s thugs are lining up to abide by this new law. It really shocks me how these ignorant folks are elected to ANY form of office.
I believe France has very strict gun control, but apparently the laws have very little teeth. The terrorists didn’t feel compelled to turn their’s in….
I went to visit California in July of 2015. Prior to travel, I tried my best to find a way to bring my CCW to keep at the HOME in which I was to be staying at near San Jose. Thought may be I could “Fed-Ex” it. After exploring several toons to SHIP IT there, which it would have had to be shipped from one FFL to another thre, I would till have had to be a California resident to pick it up, from my take on it? Thought about flying to Nevada, then driving. Ended up just driving all the way there from Tennessee. Every state between here and there recognized my RIGHT to carry, and upon reaching Cali, I had to place it in my case separate from my ammo. I still brought it there. Funny thing ( not really “funny”) was is that the same DAY that girl was killed by the illegal immigrant felon, I was in San Fransicko too, down near the water front. I DIDN’T SHOOT HER! And, by trying to remain “Lawful” I could not have topped it or saved anyone else if the incident unfolded like in Paris. But now, I carry ESPECIAL in “no gun zones” here in Tennessee except for court houses and police stations. EVERYWHERE else is fair game. Even now carry my AR loaded except not one chambered as is allowed here with a HCP. Shotguns, Rofles may be carried with a loaded mag as long as one is NOT chambered if you have a HCP and have a reason to believe your life could be in jeopardy. ISIS anyone?
Thank you!
You can fly it to California in a locked hard sided case. I have done it several times, with pistols and AR pattern rifles, into and out of LAX and John Wayne. You are also allowed to open carry in California, but it may be that you need to be a resident, I’m not sure about that part. I know what you’re thinking, “BS”, but look it up. However, you cannot have a magazine in the gun, but you can have the magazines with you, which should also be fully exposed. Expect to be hassled or even arrested if you do open carry there, since no one actually does it, basically it has become a lost Right to some degree.
Because its alway that 12th bullet that’s the killer. I bet all of LA’s is lining up to abide by this new law. It really shocks me how these ignorant folks are elected to ANY form of office.
What a delusional bunch of cretins in LA, from council to judiciary. How Gruber stupid is for them to assume the gangbangers with their 30 rd AK mags are going to worry about a “misdemeanor as they shoot up the neighborhood and kill each other. Just another example of how phuqed up the libertird left has become. They FAIL to keep their PROMISES because their promises are DELUSIONS and SCAMS to get VOTES. But as the ObaMao’s spiritual advisor, the lesser Rev Wrong said “Da chickens dey is comin hom ta roost”
Come to Washington where the only thing outlawed are Class 3. I can have a 100 rnd drum if I want (I don’t cause they are jamming POS’s). BTW stay away from Seattle. It is infected with rats and Democraps and considered the cesspool of politics by the rest of the state.
Lock & Load – Be Prepared
IMPEACH THEN INDICT OBAMAO & HIS CRONIES
Based on responses of law-abiding citizens (until Nov 20) I can just envision the response of known & would-be criminals who have felony records, possess weapons, & 10+ mags. Are they afraid of being charged with a misdemeanor for their 10+ round magazines? Of course not! Do the politicians seriously believe these ridiculous restrictions will have any impact on felony assault, armed robbery and murder rates? Answer is probably not, but remember their real goal is to abolish the 2nd amendment, or reduce it to uselessness by preventing citizens from possessing guns. A more likely outcome is for such laws to create an instant black market for smuggled 10+ RM, that way only the gangs and law enforcement will be able to effectively defend themselves. Sounds like heaven on earth. Of course, a related problem is that some District attorneys and local judges set known armed felons free to commit multiple crimes. Recently, a gangbanger who had been convicted of 2nd degree murder in 2013 was reportedly released on bail, after attacking and shooting another person in the leg after an altercation. I’d suggest that such weak-ass judicial actions have far more to do with crime than the possession of 10+ round magazines by ordinary citizens!
I wouldn’t turn any magazines in period. And when they try to order a house to house confiscation (which I doubt). The first few who come to do so will be injured or dead ( I have plenty of training). Then or course my demise. But it will be noted in my will that I died for the cause. I was protecting my rights as a United States citizen. But the best way is to bring a militia into play and when they attempt to. Be ready. I know, it sounds overboard for a misdemeanor, but there needs to be a sound echoed all across the nation. It’s still being battled in the courts out east. And that idiot who made the speech about automatic weapons is either unlearned or doesn’t know about the 1934 law. But the sheeple behind him drooling with their liberal signs. Lions, tigers and bears oh my…
iem a crimnil all my lyf. I gess ill hav tu find sumthing ells tu du now tho that I cant own big mags eny more. its gunna bee tuff but I ken du it. ken anywun tell me how to tern my mags in lyk wher to go and stuf. I don’t want to get in trubbel.
The stupidity of these people is overwhelming. “Automatic ” weapons ??
I guess what I should have said , I have many mags that are over 10 ,if they pay what I paid for them. well then they can BUY all mags over 10, at market price, they would be broke. think about passing that law , the end of LA.
This is terribly unprofessional writing.
Are ten round mags legal and eleven round mags illegal?
Or are nine round mags legal and ten round mags illegal?
The writer of this article should be ashamed of his incompetence.
Looks like the the law reads any magazine that holds 10 rounds or more. My take is 9 rounds or less are OK. Just a liberal attempt to render handguns that were originally made for high cap mags useless for law abiding citizens.
Less than 10 rounds huh. I carry a 1911 in 45ACP with 7 rounds in the mag plus 1 in the pipe and carry 2 extra mags. The 1911 worked great in WWll as well as Vietnam and many State Police carry them as duty pistols (NH & CT) all with less than 10 round capacity. A 230 grain FMJ will knock anyone off their feet (even someone high on PCP) and a modern 45ACP hollow point will end the threat for good, usually with a double tap to the bread-box. The sad part is many high cap pistols will be rendered useless because manufacturers only made magazines blocked for 10 rounds, not 9. Thank God I don’t live in LA but folks there are still better off than residents of NYC or NJ, both of which will not issue permits to carry a concealed handgun. Of course all of this doesn’t discount the fact that LA officials have their heads up their kulu and their ultimate goal is registration and finally confiscation. Sorry for the Redneck slogan but if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
boycott LA, they still run commercials, don’t go. unless you need weed.
I hope this website advises us readers when the first person is charged with this ordinance. This site can be the collection point for donations to defend the charged individual. It would behoove us to tie up LA with a protracted legal fight. This will do a lot more good than complaining to each other.
Does this apply to the Movie industry? You know, machine guns and 100 round magazines.
Liberal filth at all levels. There is no where to go but ‘up’ in the selection of your political and governmental representatives. I pity you. I would rather burn in hell than step foot in one of these library cesspool.
Attention all criminals. Please turn in your magazines that hold over 10 rounds.
So if I own them I am automatically a criminal? Bullshit
Turn them in? Bullshit
I just don’t bring them out in public. But when the shit hits the fan you can bet i’ll have my double strapped magazines out holding 37 rounds. Go ahead and count to ten when I am firing and be surprised when it doesn’t stop.
Glad I don’t live there cause then OMG I would be a criminal. But I would also be alive. I hope that this doesn’t include law enforcement.
I’d simply move out of CA!
Attention all criminals. Please turn in your magazines that hold over 10 rounds.
People, get together and form groups for safety, and just disobey any law passed that infringes your rights! Let the authorities know! It’s time to grow some!
Stand at attention and give the salute… people of LA., Hitler..ism (Nazism) is knocking at your front door….Too late now to read German history of the 1930s.
FUCK California
Is this so the terrorists, carrying fully-automatic AKs with 30-round clips, will have a sporting chance? I don’t get it…
This is the height of stupidity. Glad I don’t live in Calif. law abiding folks just keep your high capacity hidding and locked up go and buy dozens of low cap mags .that’s all. Your now legal if it were me I would not turn a damn thing in.
I agree with everyone. What state is next. My suggestion is, People if Los Angles and CA take your tax money and guns and leave that state. This is our right.
If you choose to stay stop complaining. You elected these people and continue to keep them in power. CA is not a gun friendly state. Simply Leave it. The loss of Your tax dollars will he felt and noticed.
Well of course, those high capacity clips, conspicuously protruding grips, barrel shrouds, flash hiders, and shoulder thingies that go up are the roof of all evil :/
There is safety in numbers. If we stick together to defend our 2nd Amendment rights we will prevail. Compare to Prohibition; it simply couldn’t be done. It’s too dangerous to come after staunch 2-A supporters, the hope is that the sheep will comply, and of course some will.
One more point; the police are often lumped into the “anti” group. Many individual officers stand FIRMLY with you. I am one of them. I was an American long before I became the police. Draw your line in the sand and defend it.
I have read all the comments here, pretty interesting! I live in PA. and we have a problem here with people bitching about this that and the other things, BUT at election time only about 25% of the registered voters go to the poles, election after election. I ask you seriously, of all the people you know in your circle of friends and neighbors actually vote?
If you truly want to do something about the ELECTED officials who infringe on you rights, get registered and get of your butts and vote them out of office……. I lived in California for 8 months while in the military, but that was in 1978, I don’t think I would recognize it now. Good luck, let your votes be counted.
Gambeir says
“The people are the lawful government and the government only exists upon the will of the people. The contract between the people and their government stands upon the Bill of Rights. This ruling completely abridges that compact between the people and the right to rule by officialdom.”
I’m afraid this view is incorrect. The “compact between the people and the right to rule by officialdom” is defined by the Constitution: the citizens elect representatives and this mandates consent to abide by the laws they pass. Except in the case of the Referendum (available in some states), the citizens do not directly approve laws. If they think legislators are out of control they can show their displeasure at the polls or appeal to the Courts. Assuming this law does not result in its authors being thrown out of office, it means that a majority of the voters approve. That’s democracy.
Arming ourselves to the teeth with the idea of fending off the U.S. government is not provided for in the Constitution. In fact we defeated an insurrection that did just that.
Wait….so how can you even use the gun without a freaking 10 round magazine? Is someone making a 9 round magazine now? If I put a blocker in to make a 10 round only hold 9 rounds is that OK?
Is there a sanctuary city for gun owners?
I suppose I would be illegal. Calif. should be used to that they have about 4 million illegals there don’t they?
Now!! That was good
To whom do I submit my request for an armed police escort the next time I visit LA?
how about now, 9 round mags
If the people of California, or any other State, don’t like the Constitution and The Bill of Rights they should try secession and leave the rest of us to our Country
I’m sure there is already a line of gangbangers around the corner waiting to turn in their magazines.
Let’s not forget that California has a state pre-emption statute; remember that ‘Frisco’s attempts to ban handguns were shot down in court. This will be too. In the mean time, I’d tell L.A. to go pound sand…
I would keep my mags and move.
Ok let me get this right. In a state that harbors and protects illegal immigrants and violates federal law by doing so is not going to criminalize their citizens for exercising a Constitutional Right? It’s time to leave. If that’s not pure liberalism at it’s core then you my friend are living in Fantasy Land. Move. Get out. Leave. Gus, Gun Control is NOT just about gun control but more importantly Citizen Control. How can you defend yourself against criminals and the government when you are unarmed?
John W, I agree with you but for this one line ” How can you defend yourself against criminals and the government when you are unarmed?” In this case the Government is the criminal, As Americans we need to face the fact that our country is being led by criminals who enact laws that are criminal, somehow “We the People” need to come together and stand up to the Government, the SCOTUS is stacked against the people, liberal presidents appoint only judges that agree with their ideas, the country is/has gone to hell and we whine but do nothing.
Liberals will scream their guts out about their first amendment rights to call for abolishing “MY” second amendment rights, liberals use the same phrase “A common sense law” but nothing in their agenda is actual common sense.
I left CA in 1970 and never looked back, never went back, will never go back, the whole anti gun shit started in the mid 60’s and has never changed and will never change.
The only hope for the gun owners in CA is to move out, I will not do business with any gun company that is in CA, I don’t buy anything from there if at all possible, I have a large list of so called Stars who’s movies I won’t watch, every time one of them pops up as anti gun I boycott them, do I hurt them? no, but I know in my heart that my few dollars aren’t buying them a cup of coffee.
To the “Free” people of CA, get out! there are jobs elsewhere, if you are a conservative you are doing nothing by remaining there except paying for the bullet they shoot you with, if you want to be free move, you can not fight them and win, the Libtards outnumber you 20 to 1, live to fight another day. leave. If all conservatives left CA it would sink because you are the ones working, you are the ones paying for all the liberal welfare programs, if you have a business move it to a free state, anything can be rebuilt, as Magpul, it can be done.
I think if all conservatives moved to red states it would be possible to to stop the march of liberalism, yes it’s hard to give up and pull up your roots but it’s worth it to breath free air.
Ever notice that whenever the local police, FBI, DEA, etc. get into a “gun battle” with some bad guys they will fire hundreds of shots and actually get one or two hits. You, however, the average Joe Citizen would be expected to take down an intruder with one or two shots, not easy to do obviously. Also, confiscation without compensation for legally purchased property,,just say NO!
From my cold, dead hands!
So, tell me, Governor Moonbeam–how many people hav e been killed with a gun with a 10 round magazine that would not have been killed if the gun had only a 9 round magazine?
I’d follow my mags to Arizona… oh wait, I already did! The only thing I miss about the late, great state of Kalifornia is the beautiful coastline. Then again, if they have a big enough earth quake, I won’t have as far to drive to get to the coast!
Every act of terror we are told we should not judge all Muslims on the actions of a few. Isn’t it time the 80 million gun owners in America get the same treatment?
AMEN
The ban presumes high-cap mags have a criminal purpose. I use mine for the same reason that police do, self-defense and lawful
purposes. Therefore, I will not comply. The law
should read “if you are a criminal or mental
incompetent… turn them in”.
AMEN
Worked LA area all my life and watched as it went right in the toilet back in the 70’s and 80’s. I retired and moved to a conservative county and got my CCW…. Even if I lived in LA I wouldn’t hand them over my mags …or anything else for that matter.
I was born and raised in CA. As I got older I just kept moving further and further away from those populated areas, now I live in one of four counties, that do not have any incorporated cities.This even makes open carry legal. I prefer CCW however and do so. I see the pictures that people are holding up with their loved ones who were shot apparently with the tenth round of a ten round magazine bullet. Those people who choose to live in those population centers with the gangs, and the politicians who support them will continue be shot the same way as before, maybe with the 22nd round or the first round. Thugs that commit those crimes as always are law breakers anyway so what do the gun laws have to do with them?
10 round clip– bad guys beware new fine– pay in advance 2% discount.
Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to delay rape, robberies, burglary and murder with a 1/2 hour waiting period? They would be required to commit crimes half as fast. This would give police ample response time to arrive and protect us so that we won’t need weapons at all. I’m certain that felons would all immediately comply with the new “Half-Fast Legislation.”
As usual, California continues to demonstrate it is the country’s leading producer of nuts, vegetables and fruits.
I’m so sick of this,o,just cowtown to gun laws. For once follow the panthers lead. We got a constitution,respect it or give bullets!! 5 million NRA members with guns. LIberals are intitled to their beliefs,but went their bullshit cost American rights,SEE RULE ONE WE GOT GUNS!!!!
There’s a pattern developing that doesn’t get much mention. That being, the states with the most gun restrictive laws also seem to have the most liberal drug laws. Move to our state under the guise of getting your weed easily but wait, leave your guns at the border.
Keep the public stoned and drunk, they’ll be happy, safe and keep voting for us.
“Let them eat cake.” Sound familiar?
Bread & circuses! That’s what the Romans called it. Modern version? Welfare & distraction!
What would I do? DNC – do not comply for starters. Maybe load them up and bury them? Maybe sell them for cash in some barrio beer joint. In a case like that, the city has chosen to be the enemy of the citizens, and as they say – the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let the city fight the gang-bangers and drug cartels who will be armed with my old mags.
And as usual, the criminals will be the ones with the high capacity magazines!
I think everyone here protesting this absurd, illegal mag ban is venting legitimately, but it will make no difference. The only solution is to GET OUT OF SHITBAG CA !! One of the most anti-gun, taxed to death states in the country. I got out of miserable RI & moved to Florida. Best thing I ever did !!
I guess the Liberal clowns out in Caliphony sure wouldn’t like my 100 round AR15 magazine?
Come to Texas…Machine Guns are on Sale on WEDNESDAYS!
Another loophole to conduct illegal searches & seizures. L.A. gun owners get ready!
No complaints on the mis-leading articles title? thats what got my attention- 10rd mags going illegal vs the actuall 10+….
I guess turn in all my broken or useless low cap mags for some money or decent amount gift card or otherwise give them tothe criminals because they want or its ok if theyhave them but us law abiding citizens cant have or own guns to protect each other or stop thebad guy if we are ever in the right place right time.
All you pussy ass cowards keep electing these morons to office. The next law you will probably vote for is to demolish every Christian Church and every Jewish Temple in the state. That way you can make room for all the mosques to be built for your islamic terrorist friends. Then you and your buddy obama will be happy.
You really think freedom loving gun owners in CA are voting for Pelosi, Feinstein and the like? Don’t be a fool.
Wow……just wow…..I really hope you are a left wing troll trying to make people posting here look ignorant and insane. Nice job of it, if you are.
I will never turn in my guns or magazines, This country is turning into Russia.
Moronic comment from David: “All you pussy ass cowards keep electing these morons to office. The next law you will probably vote for is to demolish every Christian Church and every Jewish Temple in the state. That way you can make room for all the mosques to be built for your islamic terrorist friends. Then you and your buddy obama will be happy.”
Hey, dolt, I’ve been living in CA my whole life and am tired of getting blamed by out of state fools like you because the majority of the 38 million people voting are idiots. I’ll stay and support the NRA and CRPA and the GOC just as I have been for the past 40 years, while you sit safe in your free state and second guess us. The gun owners in CA aren’t “pussies” and didn’t elect any of these a$$holes pushing these laws. Must be nice to sit back and criticize while we’re on the front lines with millions of government teat leeches voting for their favorite liberal legislators. Instead of shooting off your mouth from the safety of your free state, you might try helping us; as CA goes so goes the rest of the country eventually.
Norm,
Well stated, and one of the more sustantive posts here. I lived in CA for 2.5 years while in the Corps. Being MT born and raised, I was not impressed. However, I met many right-minded, hard working, reasonable people there. Many who can’t simply pick up and leave, as so easily offered by some here as an answer. We need people there who will not give in and more of them. A problem is the large number of lazy, unemployed, social leeches in CA who rely on left wing handouts and so-called ‘social programs’. The left has long seen that segment of society as a tool, and one they really don’t care about. It’s all about votes and power. Then there is the high rate of crime and numbers of criminals. Add to that the liberal democrat tendency to view criminals as a protected class who are difficult for them to control, so instead of controlling them they use them, or their acts, to further their goal of complete emasculation of the more ‘controllable’ masses. John Q Public is an easier target for their social engeneering efforts.
And make no mistake, they are counting on civil unrest, as has been suggested here, which they will then use to justify yet stricter controls. It’s their way. They put their opponent, conservatives, on the defensive and keep them there so they are too busy to see what the left is really up to. The true ‘Neverending Story’.
Russia, I was thinking more like Nazi Germany mixed with 1984 from Orwell. As Big Brother is watching and listening
As a LONG time Democrat, or MAYBE I should say,EX-DEMOCRAT, thanks to Donald TRUMPS, HUTZBAH, next year I will follow the trail of MANY Democrats, and BEGIN a NEW voting cycle as a REPUBLICAN !!!!!!!! Am SURE that all ILLEGALS, GANG BANGERS, and TERRORISTS will FOLLOW the law,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT !!!!!!!!
Vietnam Veteran 1968-69-70
One word, Commiefornia! Problem is we are seeing more and more of these types of actions because of so many individuals that vote have not an inkling of sense much less common sense. The very idea of being a Criminal is the fact that you are labeled a criminal because you don’t obey our laws! If I lived in Commiefornia I would be picketing and in the streets over this, words on the net or paper do nothing but this type of government over reach has got to get reactions from people or it will just continue!
I’m can see, MS13, Bloods, Crips and all the other gang-bangers, lining up right now to be among the first to turn their hi-cap mags in! Just when you think politicians in Kalifornia can’t get any stupider, they prove you wrong!!!
Now what are we suppose to use against all the Muslims that are immigrating here? Well the way I look at it is, if you want my mags they will come with some lead first. . Don’t forget to thank a liberal for this…
BS I hope they mass produce 9 round mags, so I can see them stammering around to change that law. Smdh are the police allowed to have more than 9 rounds so when they loose there shit and go ape shit crazy shooting up a car of unarmed people bcuz they “thought” they saw a weapon??? I mean seriously with this law like they can’t kill people with a 6 round mag. This country going to shit I’m in Ohio I would release my 16 round xdm mag ever!!! “From my cold dead hand!” Bastards
Well folks has anyone given thought to this? If the city see’s the people obey this law then the next step will be to ban certain firearms. So the next step will be turning in your guns to the city police. You bought the magazines when they were legal. You paid for them and now the city outlaws your property and forces you to turn it over with NO compensation. For me the answer would be leave. I will not live anywhere where my rights as an American citizen is violated. This is nothing but government control over citizen’s.
California is a lost cause. The next step is they build a wall around it and shoot people trying to get out. Ich bin Berliner!
Cities/states/countries are a ‘lost cause’ when people sit on their butts in front of a computer and blow steam instead of doing something useful to correct the situation. So, unless you’ve been bombarding your elected assholes with complaint letters on a weekly basis and never missing a vote, you’ve go no right to annoy others.
As far as shooting those escaping Kalifornia, I have one word of advice–you’ll get one sucker-punch shot at me… and you’d better not miss.
Yeah, there’s still plenty of us hardcore gunners around here in California, so I wouldn’t threaten us as a whole. I tried to move out of this state but the boss put an end to that with the 5 grandkids being born here. I did get out of LA county into a gun friendly county and actually got my CC this year. I wouldn’t give up my mags…do you know what good mags cost? Just have a few words for those that want to take anything I have. I shoot thieves!! And to the guy that would try and shoot me as I was leaving California…like Abner said. You’d better be good with that first shot….retired MGySgt 73-83
GIVE ME LIBERTY….OR GIVE ME DEATH !!!
California was lost a long time ago. paradise lost.
I would send them to relative in another city, county or state. Better yet, I would move out of Kalifornia all together.
Well first I believe it would be considered unconstitutional andthus wouldn’t stand up to a supreme court ruling , however I could be wrong. Thus what I would do if I lived in a state that broke from the constitution, is move if I could. However, that is expensive and easier said than done. So,.. next best thing would be to use magazines of legal size while either just keeping the regular sized magazines at a friends house outside of LA or, just keep them someplace that they wouldn’t be found or have a reason for being found… but, I WOULD NOT SURRENDER THEM PERIOD ! I would keep them just in case there is a breakdown in the rule of law and would then need to retrieve them,…that’s just me though, I wont tell anyone else what to do or not do,..that’s up to them.
I grew up in California, in a suburb of L.A.
By the 1980s, I got the hell out of there because I could see it becoming an Extremist Democratic state. There’s nothing wrong with being a Democrat. Just like there’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim. But if you add the word “Extremist” to either of them, the outcome is dangerous.
Vote! Get rid of the power hungry Pelosis, Fienstiens, and guv Browns (who was elected a 2nd time!) and remove them from office. If that doesn’t work, move like I did!
Many states (like Montana) are still controlled by Dems, but they believe in our God given constitutional right to keep and bear arms. And, as long as you don’t have a criminal record, Must issue you a concealed weapon permit when you apply. Jobs don’t pay as much, but housing is crazy cheaper and cost of living is exponentially cheaper.
It’s been quite a while since I lived in the Republik of Kalifornia, but I sure don’t miss it!
Speaking as a non Californian I will never set foot in California. The loss of tourist income is another adverse consoquence to draconian anti firearm legislation.
Citizens of California, wake up throw your oppressors from office.
Looks like it is time for Californians to exercise that 2nd amendment. There is more of you then there are politicians, police and other agency personnel in California, and besides it’s not like they could get and keep you all locked up anyway. But then again, California is a state full of sheep, which is why they let these things happen all the time, over and over again.
*Caution*
Enforcing illegal and unconstitutional laws under color of law may have unintended side effects. Side effects include headaches, contusions, blurry vision, loss of balance, broken bones, bleeding, internal hemorrhaging, cranial exposure to sunlight, and in rare cases, death. Do not attempt enforcement without the backing of legitimate law.
when you say more of them, are you including the ‘Illegal aliens’?
When will people realise that we have no say? The politicians that are supposed to represent us are doing very little. Nothing against the NRA but, millions of dollars and lawyers and lobbyists are gaining little ground. If there are sooo many pro 2nd amendment Americans, let us gather. As one yet ALL together. Quit paying out for others to do the work. We should set a date and gather at the local federal buildings. Then again, and again. Let them know just how serious law abiding citizens are. I promise, PROMISE, that by the end of Obama’s term we will have suppressors without the b.s. We Will have sbr’s. For law abiding citizens. Let them SEE the force that we can be. All the politicians see is lawyers, lobbyists, and a lot of $. If we all stood up and told them to cut the bullshit, they would listen. Oh but I don’t have the time, skip shooting that weekend. Oh but I don’t have the money, skip buying that latest attachment. Oh but I pay regularly to be represented. Yeah that’s getting us real far. Oh but I’m a lazy blob unable to grow a pair and realize just how strong I could be. Well yeah that’s the problem.
I think you’re on the right track, but I think this could be an excuse to attack you all which is just what they want.
I’d instead urge civil disobedience, organize and then not go to where they expect you. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.
How about instead you gather like on Inerstate 5 and block that for a couple weeks. No guns, no bullets, just park your trucks and cars and refuse to move. let them break the windows, tow the cars, yes pay the fines and then do it again and again.
I was always taught that waiting for the first hit can kill you. Instead when felt threatened or someone is in your personal space that is when a person should react. Well, the government has been in our personal space for a while. Taking our freedoms is an assault to our liberty. I agree that it’s going to take more than just squeaky hinges. And also not to act aggressively or have anything in possession that could be considered a weapon. Otherwise it gives them the means to label those as extremists. But, and here is the undeniable truth. There is not enough American citizens that have the backbone to stand up to this corrupt gov’t. We have become a nation of fat, lazy, dependant, cowards. Our government should fear us. Should respect us. And above all should work for us. What a sad broken people that cower and grovel at its governments feet. Anyone that wants to deny how weak we are, explain why they continually rob our social security. Our money. Because they know the majority will do nothing and the few that do will be quietly dealt with to make room for more sheep. BAAA… BAAAAA… Pathetic.
As long as they can pass and enforce any damned law they want, why should the government fear anyone?
But when we show up for these gatherings, let’s not dress up as Duck Commandos, open carrying, draped in camo, etc. A more “normal”, businesslike appearance would look more serious, and more intelligent.
If one bullet was enough for Deputy Barney Fife, one bullet is good enough for Los Angeles.
Yes, I agree, the whole of LAPD should get to share just one bullet. They can pass it around as needs be and any use of that bullet should require proper documentation, in triplicate, duly sworn and notarized, as to why the expenditure of that bullet was necessary, before a replacement bullet is issued.
I saw the LAPD drive off and ABANDON the Civilians/ Reginald Denny. That was MY wake up call to buy my 1st AR15, and stockpile some ammo. KALIFORIA…BLACK RIFLES MATTER! In Texas Machine guns are on sale on Wednesdays.
But the state already has a ban on on more than 10rd magazines. That is the trouble with California state government, they have allowed municipal governments to supersede state law, thus creating a quagmire of laws.
Umm, go back to Civics 101. You are totally off base. We have, at all levels of government, a representative form of government, meaning we elect people to represent us as to such matters, and other than the vote on candidates, we do not have an individual vote as to measures before a legislative body, except to the extent that we can vote out those who defy the will of the majority. Los Angeles is a democratic stronghold, and every single member of the LA City Council is a democrat. The City Council enacted this ordinance (which by the way only applies within city limits and not elsewhere) unanimously. The People have spoken.
The only remedy is in the courts. A denial of a preliminary injunction is fairly usual where the constitutionality of a law is challenged, as here, even though the lead plaintiffs are a number of County Sheriffs who point out that they and their deputies, while authorized to carry “large capacity” magazines while on duty, if they go off duty while in city limits, they become criminals.
No, the supreme law of the land is the Bill of Rights and it cannot be abridged without suspending the compact between the people and the government. The 14th Amendment made clear that these laws apply to all states and all lands in all states. They cannot be abridged without committing treason and rebellion. No local authority can suspend your civil rights and that’s what firearms ownership is. They cannot define what kind of firearm nor any other thing. Accepting this accepting the breaking of the social compact that binds the Union together. This is an unlawful act by any reasonable account. They cannot make retroactive laws and by these means steal property and or thereby force people to flee their property without just compensation. This is what the Nazi’s did to the Jews. What’s different about this? This is bullshit.
Yes, I agree, Gambeir. But not only have the Leftist Corporatists in America with their MSM propaganda tool exploited the gullible over the years by bribing and brainwashing methodology that would make Hitler’s Occult Squad Smiling and ‘Seig Heiling’ in their graves, they’ve finally got the majority of ‘patronage’ votes to succeed in their agenda.
That’s why the current intensive subversive law efforts by East and West Coast enclaves of local power are getting more ‘in our faces’. And Reps from these States have already set the Liberty Guillotine ‘a cranking upwards with new Federal Bills-far worst than mag capacity laws- riding on the coattails of the ones like California and New York are working on presently. Which will be immediately passed if a third replication of this current regime establishes power with Hillary.
Getting ‘away with it’ now in States like California sets the public apathy level for the final ‘swish and chop’ of the blade. It’s the nature of the human social beast. Most people are Sheeple. The rest are divided into basically only two groups. Wolves, and Sheep Dogs.
Well, yes and no. The ten round limit went into effect January 1, 2001, but magazines owned prior to that date were grandfathered in and are still legal to possess, but cannot be sold in state. This applies to rifle and pistol magazines. And of course the police are exempted from the law, since their duty weapons are full capacity Glocks (for the most part).
However, the LA ordinance (and the SF ordinance on which it was modeled) have no exception for LEOs. In the pending lawsuit, the Sheriffs (of counties other than LA) point of that an officer or deputy can legally possess a 10+ round magazine for a duty issued weapon, but cannot possess 10+ mags for nonduty weapons, and cannot possess such mags while off duty. So if a Sheriff comes in from out of town on duty, he is legal, but if he stays the night and is off duty, he becomes a criminal. Cute, huh? Moreover, state law allows LEOS to buy “off roster” handguns, including pistols with 10+ round magazines. Now any officer living in LA or SF who has such guns will either have to find 10 round mags, break the law, sell the gun outside the county to another LEO, or sell it out of state.
This is actually the culmination of a program by the LA County DA to declare 10+ mags (typically AR or AK mags) “nuisances” and confiscating them–all perfectly legal of course.
“{SuperG “But the state already has a ban on more than 10rd magazines.” but mags prior to the BAN are grandfather the LA law will affect those grandfather mags.
That the reason I don’t live in a Communist state, Gun control.
My thoughts on gun control, gun control is shooting a 1/2 MOA at 600 meters.
Ok you stick with that and when you get a home invasion you try to get 3 or 4 attackers at once. I hope for your sake they are standing in a perfect row. Its fools like you that is the problem
I agree, Good gun control whether close in or far away is good breathing, thats the best gun control and civil disobedience , about 50 million mags made, where are they, will this be a door to escalation,,,
Resist. Defy. These rats who are members of the rodent genus known as Politico Assholous must be made irrelevant. They are vermin, as are all gun grabbing Communists. Gun laws serve the needs of the criminal element and handicap the law abiding. But no more. We must defy tyranny, and stamp out the rodents.
“Well”, this is what happens when good people don’t run for office, but instead let the Far-Left wing-nuts step up ~!
Formally law abiding citizens will be charged and face the full wrath og antigun judicial system. Criminals will get plea deals where most charges get dropped and you can bet the magazine charges will be te first swept of the table.
Of course it’s theft, but who’s making the laws up now in California? Certainly not the people, no, it’s quislings of the self appointed new royalty whom they evidently count themselves members of.
History has proven time and again that when populations are disarmed State Terror begins, which is the idea, just look at France. 140 dead because these people are defenseless. There intent isn’t public safety, it’s long term State Sponsored Terror,
California Style I guess. Wow….talk about gangs and street hoods all you want, but they only can kill a few people before falling to another armed citizen. These clowns, these are the monsters who facilitate mass murder and genocide. Surrender your
magazines if you dare. Frankly I think it’s time they were confronted by daring them to come and get them.
Quislings or not, these “royalty” are not self-appointed but elected by a local electorate that is overwhelmingly democrats and anti-gun. That is the problem for gunnies in California–we are outvoted.
What I would say to you is that this isn’t a political war on the people, it’s a class war being waged by the wealthy. After all the 2nd richest man in America owns most of the broadcasting and he’s supposedly a Republican, If you focus on Democrats as the enemy you’re going to lose. I’m a registered democrat and I sure don’t think this is legal, let alone support treason as a means to obtain rule.
What we are seeing is a subversion of the lawful pathway to changing our form of government, and this is being done with false flags, mass shootings, and other engineered events such as the public safety propaganda these puppets are selling.
What the retarded neighbor isn’t getting is that the ballot box means nothing when the laws passed are ignored, and guess what, that’s exactly what is going on here. So your neighbor will probably not figure that out until they find something important to them which is a civil right, is also ignored. Probably that will first be freedom of speech, and then it will unlawful searches and home invasions by the police, Afterwards it will be theft by corporate thugs whom are the ones behind what is happening right now.
All I can tell you is that the enemy isn’t your next door neighbor, those people are just delusional, but that really doesn’t help you right now. I think you can just forget the courts, as obviously any federal judge who thinks its ok the wipe his ass with the Bills of Rights is probably not going to be someone who gives a hoot in hell about anyone but himself. OK, so idiots are seemingly a big problem at the same time treason is seriously supported by the very people whom are supposedly there to uphold democracy by upholding the laws of the land, or that’s sure what it looks like to me. After all, it’s the job of the court to protect the minority from the majority and this issue is about who shall rule these lands. Will be a mob rule whereby an mob incited can demand a law and get it? That’s what this is and it’s a violation of foundation of the laws which make a democratic state.
What that means is that this is an overthrow of the rule of law, and of the Republic by subversion of the lawful process. It isn’t a lawful process to subvert the civil rights of other individuals with official support. A democracy is based on the superiority of the individuals rights over those of the majority. You don’t lose your rights just because the neighbor is a criminal. That’s the kind of thing that the Royals did, that dictators do.
Well hell…you folks tell me? What are you gonna do if the police are not going to back up the Bill of Rights and if the Federal Government is assisting in the overthrow of the laws of the people?
Ya know folks, you might just have to make a choice between risking staying in that State or just walking away. Burn the house and drive off I guess. Thank God I’m a renter.
It’s either that or else you’re gonna have to plan on being murdered by the police or military if you resist, and they will win I’m afraid. I’d say it’s time to leave no matter what the cost. Just leave the state, and when the house you leave becomes a crack house, and the city becomes another detroit, well then maybe the retards will figure it out.
You’ve made a good point, Gambeir, and i think people-at least gun stores- are starting to move out of Washington State or the city that is now getting ready to do taxing/licening of gun and ammo sales to death. Because a lot of the 2/A criminal law manipulations are municipally profit motivated. Making it a ‘negative return’ effort would help, but not enough fast enough to solve the problem. We must rear flank ’em and counter-attack in intersecting fields of fire.
Constitutional violation evaluations/lawsuits. And bills initiated to repeal ALL previous Gun Control Laws on the Federal level starting with the 68 /Gun Control act.
And also We must go back to basics this country was founded upon and use the devices our visionary Framers set up for us. We, The People must FIRE all treasonous legislators who failed to keep their oath to protect the Constitution from subversion. And put in pro 2/A and 4/A recplacements in regardless of our partisan politics.
The Honerable Judge Andrew Napalitano on Fox forum yesterday explained when discussing the ‘balance’ between ‘security and liberty’ …’that there IS NO Balance, Or Complromise when it comes to liberty’. No Concessions, No ‘having to give up just a little of our privacy and gun rights and on and on, to clear a path to eventual totalitarianism.
American liberty cannot be compromised in any way shape or form, if you want to preserve a future of a truly liberty based lifestyle. Period.
Figure out a different way to defend ourselvs and obtain solid security. Like killing them all, and let their ‘allah’ sort them out later.
Exactly why I avoid Kali4nia like the clap! Won’t even visit my son at Caltech. Been there. Even in Pasadena, after dark, you need a gun to be safe.
“HELPLESS” – is exactly right.
Just imagine if just 1 out of 50 French people had been armed in Paris w/concealed pistols as well as 1 in every 4 shop keepers?
Everything would be different for the 8 Islamo-criminal-cowards would’ve faced death themselves, at the hands of “The People”.
Most likely all of’em would’ve been gunned down after murdering women and children in front of armed avengers at the scene ~!
Are they going to give us the money back that we paid for them? No? Sounds like theft to me.
Are criminals going to turn in their mags? No? So I guess we just have to let criminals and thugs just do what ever makes them happy.
One word for any gun grabber-NOT!!!!!
LEAVE OUR RIGHTS ALONE!!!!!!!
Leave LA. I would. Leave it to the thugs, gangs, police and politicians. It’s headed that way. Has been for many years.
The people are the lawful government and the government only exists upon the will of the people. The contract between the people and their government stands upon the Bill of Rights. This ruling completely abridges that compact between the people and the right to rule by officialdom.
There can be no legal justification for this without public consent, and which would have to involve a reformation of the government through a public review at the national level of the proposed laws which would supposedly function as the social compact between the rulers and the ruled. Which means, the compact between the people and the laws approved by the people are the only laws which should be honored. Self proclaimed laws are edicts, which is nothing more than Royal Orders. The courts do not make laws, we the people make the laws, but now it seems officialdom has decided the people of California and indeed the rest of the United States are superfluous to the rule of law. Evidently some people have gotten an inflated view of their own importance to the lives of the average individual.
I agree totally with Gambeir, the government governs with the consent of the people, and the Constitution of the United States is the law of the land. This ban on so-called high capacity magazines is unlawful. and in contrast to what this idiotic liberal lawyer asserts, is NOT a common sense example of anything in the universe. We, the people have an unalienable right to keep and bear arms that is also not to be infringed upon. If the state is going to demand that people turn in their magazines without compensation, the the state is guilty of theft. Taking the property of people without consent or compensation is a violation of the people’s Fourth Amendment rights, and since it is being done as a claimed function of government, then it is a violation of the people’s rights under color of authority. I suggest California gun owners investigate a class action suit against the state and having an attorney specializing in Constitutional Law file what is known as a 1983 writ. Under the Constitution, the legislature had no business passing this onerous bill, the Governor had no business signing it, and a stupid, bleeding heart liberal needed to keep his nose out of it. Americans are getting sick and tired about our government working at cross purposes to the rights and wishes of we, the people. Stand up and put the government in it’s place. Remind them as forcefully as needed that they work for us, not the other way around.
You said, ” Under the Constitution, the legislature had no business passing this onerous bill, the Governor had no business signing it.” This is a L.A. City Ordinance, not a state law. Otherwise, I agree. We the People are fed up with this BS and need to start fighting these laws when and where they arise. Unfortunately, most people these days have no education on the Constitution and have no clue about their Constitutional rights. They think, because these laws were passed by a government body, they are Constitutional.
Last time I checked, Los Angeles is in the STATE of CA.
Legally, a city can’t just make a law that “pre-empts” state law. Yet here they have just done it.
It’s incredible that this hasn’t yet been overturned.
If I were a police officer in LA I would refuse to enforce this law I would not want to be a Nazi SS scum! and Shure as hell would not give them up and if I did only after I emptied them on the Nazi scum and they pried them out of my dead hands. Laws do not have to be followed people if they infringe on your God given rights especially when they try to criminalize a lawfully purchased and owned item . Cowardly people who follow bogus laws will screw everyone else? Government has no right to tell or restrict a ten commandment law-abiding citizen from anything period unless we are SLAVES
Is this new law apply for Los Angeles City resident or Los Angeles county resident ????
Thanks.
That makes no difference if you don’t know exactly where the L.A. city limits are located. Any place you cross into the city you’re subject you to arrest if you have a high capacity magazine on your person or in you vehicle.
Remember, it’s not the fault of cops–elected officials have done this. The county tax assessor’s office can give their home addresses, as can Spokeo, USsearch.com and other outfits. Show up there and picket their homes–at City Hall, they don’t have to see or hear you, and so they don’t care. Showing up at their homes may have a more profound effect on how they view their relationship with the electorate…
It always seems that the law abiding citizen gets punished and it interesting that the highest homicides are in states where the gun ban is strictly enforced. History tells us that dictators first act is to disarm the citizen in order to force their policies to the people. If this country will have a gun ban, homicides will increase and terrorism will be more abundant.
In a few words, FUCK California.
I live in ca. And fuck ca.
Yes, Fuck California Libtards
The article says 10 round magazines” will be illegal. Did it mean that, or “more” than ten rounds?
Either way, the answer to the question, what would I do if I lived in LA: I don’t live in LA. I would never. If I did I would have moved out years ago. I have moved from much better cities.
The Gambier comment should be on every newspaper and TV commercial we can afford to buy . Those two paragraphs make it clear to even the biggest imbeciles in this country that these words make sense .
When terror strikes, our only emediate defense ,without the luck of law enforcement being in the immediate area ,is of course the llegally armed citizen. Who will be at a disadvantage without being able to arm himself with the same magazines the enemy
Possesses .
It’s the same old story , If you ban guns / magazines then only criminals will have guns / magazines . Ridiculous
And the stupidly continues! Punish the law abiding citizen with more laws that won’t do a damn thing! Don’t forget ! Spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat!
And you should be sterilized because your neighbor has too many kids…
And I’m sure they’re getting a chuckle out of it as well…The criminals don’t care and will capitalize on this law. Those lawmakers are so self righteous, thumping their chest. “Look at what I’ve done to make this city safe”. They’re idiots!
The people “consented” by electing these officials. I’m not saying the law is right, but the people are getting what they voted for. Sadly, the entire country is going this way.
You are exactly right…these idiots who vote for this kind of change are getting exactly that…Sad that even intelligent politicians won’t stand up to the liberal infection for fear of losing fed money or incurring negative press..And we know who the press is in bed with, hey?? Just as so many other things have gone against what the “silent majority” and alas, good people left in this country; one more freedom gets taken away…Except for the bad guys of course! Every day they get more breaks, less stringent sentences, and more consideration when it comes to blame…Let’s give them all the free services we can, and to hell with what the victims are left with….Liberal thinkers are the most f’d up, misguided, self-serving dipsticks I know…Won’t address the problem because it is easier to make the good folks suffer with their “i’m gonna save the world” narcissistic attitudes because they know that (we the normal folks) will whine a whole lot less…So let’s take away any advantage good law-abiding Americans have, and give it to the bad guys, even tho we know the bad guys will be lining up to turn in their magazines cuz, well, it’s the law…..It’s time to start whining people, start by getting rid of all these teat sucking politicians!
Yes it is the only the duly elected by The PEOPLE- Legislative bodies that change or write law ~!
Screw them!
I’m turning NOTHING over, EVER!
We all await the proof, Mr. Feuer. LOL. Now, how about a law requiring an IQ capacity of over 10 to dream up new laws?…
A year from now, I can almost guarantee that most semi-automatic weapons confiscated after criminal activities, hand guns or MSRs, will have ‘banned’ magazines. Why? Because the bad guys pay no attention to the laws!
Well then it’s settled. When the gang bangers and other criminals show up to relinquish their high caps, the police can just arrest them. 2 birds 1 stone. Damn these officials have got it ALL figured out. Oh wait, what’s that? Criminals don’t care about the laws? Surely you jest.
Gambeir, You’re spot on in analysis but we are we in terms of solutions…? What “WE,” the Americans that actually subscribe to The U.S. Constitution and the “Lawful Freedoms” spelled out therein must stop doing is ‘brushing off’ such complete Unconstitutional “decrees” like the latest one referred to in this article as simply the result of that crazy “Peoples Republic of California and or New York, New Jersey…” How often do we here Pro-Constitutionalists mock “move out of those States and come back to “America?” Truth be told, the demographics of this Great Land are changing at warp speeds due to illegal immigration, massively increasing indigenous birth rates of minorities coupled with a simultaneous aging of traditional Conservative Americans (combined with its declining birth rates). This would seemingly indicate that going forward we will witness tremendous swells within the Democrat voting ranks as illegals (many voting stations require NO ID) and minorities overwhelming vote D and, conversely, massive declines to the voting ranks of the Republican Party meaning that the CA, NY, NJ domino effect will claim more and more States (who would have ever thought Colorado would go Dem?)…Seems to me that we are quickly approaching critical mass in America whereby we go the way of Socialism and “Fundamentally Change America” or not which will almost surely require non-conventional means and or responses to the ongoing attacks on our blessed Constitution…It’s really in no way surprising in that our ‘clairvoyant’ Founding Fathers wrote that Liberty is never to be taken for granted:
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Folks, we’re there and it’s just a matter of which side survives; Patriots or Tyrants?
God Bless & Happy Holidays
The question was “if I was a LA Resident, what would I do” Nothing but keep my 10+ magazine in my home. Buy more 10 round magazine to keep my local guns and ammo dealer in business. Stand tall as a America Citizen and Bear My Arms; promote gun safety programs to all Law biding citizen. The criminals behind bars and those who wish to “serve their families heritage of earning their tear drops” can go on with that desire, the LAPD etc will get them there. But if they decide to come to my home and try to terrorize my family out of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of my happiness, they will get under the Law of LA, ten rounds of ” you must be a fool!
A government BY THE PEOPLE For THE PEOPLE is in my Constitution, the city attorney making this a law is illegal and if it took ten or more rounds to commit the crime, the law should be created to find them, not band the magazine. God has always Bless America and will continue, we as a Americans must Bless our America by controlling those who We put in office of the government. Fire them as we get fired from our employment! Do not turn in your Mags. Every major Holiday our government projects how many Americans will die on our roads, religiously, have they made a law that has Ban the Six pack to Twin pack? Would you in LA turn in your two extra cans?
It is a misdemeanor, I believe that the federal law restricting guns to 10 rounds was revoked. This only means that honest citizens in LA will get a misdemeanor for owning these. While crooks will get a misdemeanor just added to their felony rap. These law makers are idiots. if they make owners turn these in they need to replace the owners magazines with Mags that are less than a maximum of ten rounds. I say keep them. Use them in defense. Take the misdemeanor. It will cost the LA court system a ton to enforce this law.
This lack of critical thinking will continue to prevail only until the citizens vote out of office those who are responsible for the misguided behavior.
I wonder when the media will spectacularly give prominent exposure to those who legally conceal carry and stop or prevent crime. Probably never, given that most crime exists where lawfully carrying citizens are prohibited from doing so.
I wonder when the media will begin to promote the enforcement of law and prosecution against those who commit these crimes. Probably never, given that most are bleeding hearts and want to weep over their sorry lives.