Congressman Donald M. Payne, Jr. (D-N). A sharp dressed man.
I know I don’t have to tell you this, but gun buyback programs are worthless. For starters, it’s not technically a “buyback” because the government never owned the firearm to begin with. A manufacturer made it, shipped it to a dealer, who then sold it to the purchaser. Nowhere in that chain of custody did the government take possession of the firearm. So, “buyback” is a B.S. term. It never belonged to the government!
Beyond that, the purpose of a buyback is to, as we so often hear, “take guns off the streets.” The logic behind the buyback is that if we offer criminals money for their firearms they’ll voluntarily disarm and turn their hardware over to law enforcement.
It’s such a transparently stupid idea that one wonders how it ever got taken seriously. Proponents of buybacks actually believe that hardened drug dealers and thugs will give up the tools that not only protect their criminal enterprises from rival competitors (gangs, cartels, etc.), but also ensure the safety of themselves, their family and their property — all for a $100 gift certificate or money card. In a way, it’s like asking the lion to give up his claws and teeth for a cheeseburger. On what planet would the lion ever take that deal?
So, buybacks do not “take guns off the street.” No criminal shows up to trade in his piece for the Applebee’s gift card. It just doesn’t happen. What ends up happening, though, is that folks from the community turn up and swap out their worthless, junk guns (broken guns, non-operational guns, etc.) for the handout. You can’t blame them either. It’s getting something in exchange for garbage.
With that in mind, I want you to consider a recent bill introduced by Democratic congressman Donald M. Payne from New Jersey, called the “The Safer Neighborhoods Gun Buyback Act of 2015.”
The premise of the bill is to use $360 million in taxpayer money to allow the U.S. Department of Justice’s Director of Bureau of Justice Assistance (Who knew that agency even existed!) to hand out smart debit cards to state and local governments and gun dealers so that they can be used to purchase unwanted firearms.
“We owe it to the communities we have sworn to protect to pursue every opportunity to reduce gun violence in our neighborhoods,” said congressman Payne, Jr. “Although no one piece of legislation will eliminate all gun violence, this bill will get guns off the streets and keep them out of the hands of people who wish to cause harm. If we can get one gun off the street, if we can save one life, then we have to take action.”
In short, The Safer Neighborhoods Gun Buyback Act of 2015 is a great idea if one wants to piss away $360 million of taxpayer money. What’s funny, though, is that I know a lot of people who would take advantage of that deal. Some of my friends are sitting on some real junk guns and would love to to trade them in for a debit card.
Based on language in the bill, the “debit cards will provide gun owners with funds 25 percent above the market value of the guns traded in, based on an assessment conducted by the Director of Bureau of Justice Assistance, and will be valid for two years. Sales on individual firearms are expected to range in price anywhere between $40 and $400 depending on alterations, condition, age, and model of the firearm.”
The one downside for those who would exploit the program would be that one couldn’t use the debit card to buy another firearm or ammunition, nor could one attempt to redeem it for cash.
Yes, this is an epically stupid idea. Will this bill gain any traction in Congress? Probably not. What it is is another example of just how idiotic our elected leaders are when it comes to addressing violence. Instead of putting that money toward, say, a targeted law enforcement effort to crackdown on drug dealers and gangs in high-crime neighborhoods, Congressman Payne, Jr. would rather appropriate it for an initiative that doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of “taking guns off the street.” I mean, where is his head at? What the heck is he thinking?
I’ve been through a couple of those Buyback programs and people bring in junk, parts, old stressed and worn Frames, leftovers from swap outs, and repairs, and turn them in for money. Few actual functioning guns except someone whose spouse passed and they have no use for the gun, or the family doesn’t want them gets turned in, but no gang banger, thief, or dishonest person is going to turn in a several hundred, or several thousand dollar firearm for $100. But bring it on, I’ve got a bunch of leftovers from repairs that I can make realistic enough for Grocery Money. It’s hard to believe that they let these people serve the public, and handle the public’s Tax Money. It’s even sadder to realize that we’re not shocked by it anymore.
Another undereducated Liberal with another ignorant proposal that has already proven itself to be a waste of time and resources. Damn Liberals just don’t get it. No matter how ridiculous their thoughts are they still go forward with them. It’s time to get rid of these domestic enemies once and for all……
So, there is a :buy” program?
Good. Iv’e been wondering what to do with the junk RG revolver that ended up in my trade stuff
from that estate sale.
I just laugh my butt off when the I get to watch ignorant or stupid people who run this country(the people who work for us) publicly advertise how their brains function
They just keep coming back for more! Now I re-ask the perpetually unanswered question: Is our ruling class that STUPID, or do they just think we peasants are?
My favorite gun \”buyback\” story: http://dcxposed.com/2013/01/27/seattle-gun-buyback-gets-jacked-turns-into-a-damn-gun-show-lol/
You can buy back my Browning Hi-Power with embellishments for it’s collection value of $1500. I’ll take it from Congress. Call me.
If he really wants to make the country safer ban the democrats!
Amen brother! They are more lethal than any gun made! Clueless and Brainless
The Honorable Mr. Payne did not take an oath to protect the people, He took an oath to defend the Constitution. That would include the 2nd Amendment.
“Congressman Donald M. Payne, Jr. (D-N). A sharp dressed man.” He may dress well but he seems to me to be dumber than a box of rocks.
My opinion only: Mr. Payne should stick to dressing himself because spending 360,000,000 on buy back is ludicrous. These politicians under this president ( I use the term president loosely) have destroyed the country with in a few short years. Their thinking is nothing short of moronic their all on the glass pipe. Obamanation has effectively changed the U.S. and when someone like C. Payne comes up with a concocked idea it just validates the bafoons are running the country. The government has been very sly on pitting the people against each other. That’s what they want so we can kill each other off and hate some more. The law abiding citizens need to band together not against one another . we have to do so to prevent tyranny and to keep from being treated like cattle. Use the money for the people not to violate the laws of the Constitution. Leave our second amendment alone, Payne,Obama, Clinton, Bloomberg, Soros, Biden, Fienstein, Kerry, and any other liberals hell bent on destroying the U.S. and our GOD given rights under the Constitution. The forefathers new these issues would come up…..wake up all Americans…… God bless this country. Last thought this government has allowed the murders of over 55 million babes and what makes people think they care about your rights when they don’t protect defenceless babies in a mother’s womb….Mr. Payne quit congress and start and ugly wardrobe business.
I love a good forum with great ideas. 🙂 One Unlike Congress! 🙁
I went to a gun buyback in Hempstead, Long Island. The gun i traded in was a rusty Chinese sks. I’m white and so was the rest of the people there. No gang bangers showed up. What a surprise !!! LOL. And anybody that knows that area knows that it’s a mostly
minority town with non-white gangs.
How much did they pay you for the rusty SKS? Can you name your price from these buy-back sorts or just market value?
Sooo, the criminals will just sell every gun they can steal to the government, , keep the best for themselves. and keep stealing. just pocket change to them. But, maybe a few guns will get out of the hands of common place idiots that sure dont know how to use them. Hmm How much a gun? At $200, would be be only 1.8 million guns. Gee wouldnt you love to sell that idiot Payne a car, too? Well, maybe require the seller to register, provide on the spot photo, fingerprint & DNA sample. LMAO. Be a bonanza for homeless & wino’s & non-gangsta friends Gangsta pay them 10% commission & they get $20 out of the cash from the $200 gift card. Easier than taking candy from a baby. The further down the road the anti’s become, the more preposterous their ideas. But they understand PT Barnum all too well. The sucker, us & Uncle Sam, has just gotten so much bigger. BTW think I know why VP joe do-the bid’en for antis hates guns so much. Goose hunters woke him up at 7 AM from his wonderful dream about a gun-free world.
Another example of wreckless government spending. So the our tax dollars are being spent to give a 25% markup value for so called Americans who brings their guns to the big bully of the world, that disarms the nation while money is being spent to arm Syrian rebel extremists and smuggle terrorist from ISIS capital of the world to the U.S while telling people a through screening process is place, even though Syrian refugees have no social security numbers or background. A HALF WAY INTELLIGENT PERSON MUST UNDERSTAND, WHO THE REAL TERRORIST SUPPORTERS ARE!! INCLUDING THOSE THAT SUPPORT SUCH A ADMINISTRATION!!
Ok, let me get this straight. These people that turn in these guns get taxpayer’s money for it. So, the money they get, is from most of the seller’s pocket anyway. Also, how do we know all of that money will go towards this program??? Just another way to grab more money from us. Dems love to bleed our money away from us. I agree, wholeheartedly, that this is such a useless program.
Gun Buy Back Program in other developed nations… The one all the Demcorats keep preaching how common sense it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia
Basically amounts to giving up your gun rights for a specified period of time, registering your gun upon purchase of new gun, submitting to government restrictions on what gun you can own, giving up your right to self defense entirely, even with gun in your possession, and proving a need for a gun other than self defense.
Took less than 60% of guns off street, most of what was bought back was semi auto 22 rifles and gun parts, cost the taxpayers in excess of $60 million, most gun owners who sold their guns have since purchased new guns, made no known or detectable reduction in guns on the black market, did not reduce the number of suicides, did not reduce the number of murders, did not reduce the number of violent crimes, it is speculated those in fact increased.
Interesting read… Arm yourself with the facts!
Gun Buy Back Program in other developed nations… The one all the Demcorats keep preaching how common sense it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia
Basically amounts to giving up your gun rights for a specified period of time, registering your gun upon purchase of new gun, submitting to government restrictions on what gun you can own, giving up your right to self defense entirely, even with gun in your possession, and proving a need for a gun other than self defense.
Took less than 60% of guns off street, most of what was bought back was semi auto 22 rifles and gun parts, cost the taxpayers in excess of $60 million, most gun owners who sold their guns have since purchased new guns, made no known or detectable reduction in guns on the black market, did not reduce the number of suicides, did not reduce the number of murders, did not reduce the number of violent crimes, it is speculated those in fact increased.
Interesting read… Arm yourself with the facts!
Participating in a gun buy back is like castrating yourself because your neighbor had too many children. This doofus needs to be sent home to sit and think of other stupid ideas.
So, who’s to say you’re not allowed to gather a few investors with cash, and preemptively purchase those firearms from those waiting in line? Keeping them out of the hands of the true criminals…?
Since when did Liberal Democrats ever care if the laws they propose are worthless or even harmful? Look at Obamacare for example. What they do care is pressing their agenda hating lawful gun owners. The like criminals since inner city thug family multi-generational welfare recipients and wealthy Liberals who live is swank homes in the safest neighborhoods are their voting base.
How does .gov “Buy Back” that which it never “owned” to begin with??
Morons! These Dems are all morons. If you want to do the country a real solid, stop voting for anyone with a “D” behind their name.
So making guns illegal will get them off the streets , maybe they should make Crack, Meth and Heroin illegal to because those drugs are everywhere , Oh thats right they did make them illegal wow want went wrong ?
A good way to funnel 360 million tax dollars into the Applebee company. I think congressman Donald M. Payne took a big bribe from the friendly Applebee lobbyist. Let’s go to his house and check his freezer for large amounts of cash. We need to let congressman Donald M. Payne know that he has been found out and investigate him.
What I lament is the loss of scarce and expensive gun parts needed to repair antique collector pieces. True, many of the old guns are worthless and were cheap in the first place, but if one in a hundred was an old broken Colt or Parker, it is a tragic loss of great craftsmanship and high quality American manufacturing to history.
Furthermore, the entire premise of “taking guns off the streets” angers me. These arrogant politicians make the presupposition that the unwashed masses, who elected them in the first place, are not good or trustworthy enough to own firearms in a nation which has carried and cherished the right to own firearms for 400 over years (1607 – 2015).
P.S. You know the good guns end up in the collections of government officials and police. Heck, the rifle used to assassinate Medgar Evers disappeared into the presiding judge’s private gun collection. V/r, T.J.
Shouldn’t the caption (on the photo) be D-NJ, not D-N? And, far as anyone can tell, no politician in either party is worth the time it would take to read this proposal but D-N? certainly does not help identify what part of the US he represents.
He is a rep for Numb-skull-ville, isn’t he?
concerned citizens might want to think about a counter offer of more “goodies/cash” for those who are tempted to turn in guns. that way the guns might not go to the crusher or mexico or some other terrorist group this administration supports.
Sure the gangs on street corners, drug dealers, drug users, mass killers and the crime bosses with guns.
1.This is what could be going on by liberal Dem-O-Rats unarm the honest gun owners.
2. Let thousands of criminals out of lock up before they serve their time.
3. Let 11,000,000 Mexicans stay in the US.
4. Let all the rioters go free all they did was hurt their own people, burn business and steal what ever they wanted.
5. Bring in the US 10,000 middle eastern people and we have know idea what their backgrounds are.
Obama should have been kick out of office the first year in office, he is useless. I am not sure what he is he always in the middle east and african countries giving them American tax money. Know doubt in my mind he is a racist. You never know with his actions could he trying to help his kind of people take over the unarmed US.
Obama
Great idea for a buy back.Have a few junkers that I can’t sell to any one. Would like to sell these to the Dumbocrats . Wow what a great idea . Only a Dumbocrat could come up with an idea like this.Get rid of a few that don’t work for one that does.
Does this well dressed clown actually think that his cousins, the Bloods and The Crips, are going to trade in their gats for a few measly dollars?!!?! The gangs in cities like L.A., Chicago, et. al. make more money in 10 minutes selling drugs and pimping off their sistas! You wanna gut illegal guns off the streets? Roll the National Guard into some of these cesspools and clean house!!! Screw them all, let God sort them out! Merry Christmas
This is so stupid that I can’t believe that some jerk actually submitted it. Since the average pistol starts at $500.00 and goes into the thousands what the hell are they thinking. You need 10 grand for the average gun collection. not $400.00. that will cover the average ammo per gun.
And no one is giving their only method of protection back to the state or Feds. Are you supposed to throw money at the bad guy when he comes to kill you?
Another reason we need Trump, “who has had a license to carry in NYC as long as I did when I lived there. I stopped 2 car jacking’s and a home invasion, and would be dead now if not for my pistols.
The commentary and the comments are dead on. It is odd that the public can see the “transparency”; I like this new cliché, and our politicians that are voted into office can not. Its unreal how these morons are elected but you have to take in consideration that the voting base by majority of where they are elected are probably of the same like mind. Very unfortunate. Gun buy backs are a joke. Just leading the lambs to slaughter. Great for people wanting to get rid of a POS gun. You think they would do something positive; BUT OF COURSE WE ARE ASKING COMMON SENSE TO BE USED HERE, with 360 million bucks as to lets say intact a special pilot law enforcement program in one of the high crime cities and put foot on the throat of crime in some of the major cities that the police force is overwhelmed with gun and drug related violence and put our hard earned tax dollars to work and put a lot of thugs in prison. In rural cities, towns, and areas we are by majority pro gun and have been raised with firearms; I myself since I was old enough to carry a 22 rifle and BB gun, we know how to handle firearms and there is very few households that does own a firearm and by percentage of population we have a very crime rate. You think maybe thugs think twice about targeting an area if they know that grandma might be shoving a 12 gauge in their face. My mom could and would with out a doubt and she is a great grandma. We had a local Missourian that has since passed away and had a radio show that still exists about the lunacy of the government and one of his sayings was ” ignorance gone to seed”. A prime example.
On January 4, 2013, Greg Ridgeway, PhD, Acting Director, National Institute of Justice, on page 1 of his paper, admitted that these “gun buybacks” (sic) were INEFFECTIVE as implemented, and that gun crime had begun declining in Australia PRIOR to the country’s Draconian Forced Gun Confiscation euphemistically called “buyback”. Dr. Ridgeway also debunked one of the mantras/arguments that his fellow gun-grabbers have been bleating for decades- that guns used in inner-city drug-dealing gang shootings were brought in from areas with less restrictive laws regarding gun ownership. These idiot political hacks either don’t read the research done by their fellow gun-grabbers or they totally ignore it and proceed as if the equally moronic laws they are proposing will have some effect on the demographic responsible for 80% of the gun homicides in the USA- inner-city drug-dealing gangs (according to the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention). See the report at:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/127248392/USDOJ-Memo-Jan-4-2013-Summary-of-Select-Firearm-Violence-Prevention-Strategies-Greg-Ridgeway-Ph-D I also offer the USDoJ, Bureau of Justice Statistics Report: “Crime and Justice in the United States and in England and Wales”, Publication No. NCJ-169284, which clearly states that Violent Crime Rates exploded in the UK after their Draconian Gun Control Laws were enacted, and that the UK has a GREATER Violent Crime Rate than the USA. It’s no wonder we are hearing all those English accents in news programs all over the USA- things just aren’t all that rosy in the UK, lol.
its just more foolish “logic” coming from people that should have more thought behind this type of request for OUR MONEY !! just because I turn in an old P.O.S. single shot .22, that is somehow supposed to equate to saving “one” life ??? so how about we take away ice cream or Cheetos ?? that will stop people from overeating and becoming obese ?? lets take the money that we spend on that, what the heck does it do ?? Department, and work with real groups to help younger kids that are at risk to position them to get the hell away from the crap lives waiting for them, and get rid of purely simplistic, stupid train of thought coming out of the mouths of people like the well dressed man..
Democrats are the anti-American party, they always want to change America into something it’s not. Like their socialist Healthcare program, public school systems, and our large metro areas. Everything they lay hands on they ruin. Our debt has soared under this administration to 20 trillion dollars. Now they are after our guns, That could be because they know something we don’t. They want to nip it in the bud, before our nation goes under and the troops are sent out…
When will America learn that Democrats want America disarmed? Democrats are the biggest threat to the Constitution, America and our way of life. They are in favor of open borders, social programs, releasing criminals back in to society as evidenced by Pres. Obama’s current release program. The Democrats perpetuate racism, divisiveness, and Americans being supported by the government. They are also obstructionist as evidenced by the Party NOT doing the will of the people. The list can go one but I think this is enough to make the point.
So what do you say, we all STOP voting for these fools? That’s a very simple solution to lots of our national problems.
If the elected official Payne is this stupid, imagine the IQ level of the civilians in the area that voted him in! Not the sort of area you should drive through any time of the day or night…
Really getting sick of these Communist Party Democrats. Seen an article on the No-Fly list is being used denying Americans
of they’re Rights. Here’s a little info, it becomes very clear…Does this Anti-Gun B*** sound familiar? >>>>Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)<<< said in May 2010:(TSC) "The no-fly list itself is one of our best lines of defense." However, the list has been criticized on civil liberties and due process grounds, due in part to the potential for ethnic, religious, economic, political, or racial profiling and discrimination. It has also raised concerns about privacy and government secrecy. Finally, it has been criticized as costly, prone to false positives, and easily defeated.
If someone is reason for concern enough that they are not allowed to fly on commercial aircraft, never mind them being put on some list to bar them from buying guns, THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED. Fourteen (14) to twenty (20) year old drug-dealing gang bangers have no trouble obtaining guns- why do these morons in Washington D.C. suppose that people on the No-Fly List would have any trouble in getting guns illegally as well?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, CCCCAAAANNNNTTTT SSSSTTTTOOOOPPP LAUGHING. IDIOT.
While I may not agree with that poster’s comment, the TRUTH is that 80% of the US Gun Homicides ARE committed by Inner-City Drug-Dealing Gangs of 14-20 year olds according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. When you factor out the homicides those folks are committing, and use 325,000,000 population for the USA (which includes 11,000,000 undocumented aliens and US citizens who just refused to answer the U.S. Census), the USA’s gun homicide rate is 0.08 per 100,000 higher than Japan’s, Iceland’s and Norway’s. The USA is No. 1 in the world in rate of gun ownership and No. 83 in the world in terms of gun homicide rate. Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela, which ALL forbid guns in the hands of their citizens, ALL have greater gun homicide rates than the USA. Cuba 5.0 per 100,000; North Korea 15.1 per 100,000; Venezuela 45.0 per 100,000. Before you jump in with any data about suicides: Japan has only 1/3 of our population. They not only have a GREATER RATE of suicide, but have GREATER NUMBERS of people committing suicide. The USA’s suicide rates compares very favorably with that of MOST European countries.
Chad: contingent on the accuracy of your numbers, I applaud your comment. Let’s all look at history and the bigger picture. God Guns Guts
Let’s ‘buy back’ black males between the ages of 16 and 60. While making up only about 6% of the populace they commit around 60% of the homicides in the U.S. Guns are an inanimate hunk of steel. They are neither good nor bad. The human that picks it up determines that. Let’s start blaming the people not the hunk of steel. MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!
Buying guns from the public will do nothing to change the violence. Human violent behavior is the problem, not the possession of guns. In China no one is allowed to have a gun legally, none are sold to the general public, yet violence against innocent people is still rampant. The weapon of choice, knives. Australia the same. United Kingdom the same. Take away all weapons known and do nothing to change human behavior and they will beat each other to death with their bare hands.
Nothing but “feel good” politics. These people actually run our country. Frightening.
Electing this Ass Hole as a Congressman is the real crime!
But then,,, Look at the Socialist (Communist) State that he represents.
When are you going to ask gun owners to switch to republican. Most are pro gun and most Dems are anti gun. Do you thing this will put pressure on the Dems???? SPREAD THE WORD…..
These people are just morons plain and simple.
Most Demcrats are anti gun lovers, I’am making the proposal for everyone to change their political affiliation to Republican. I have been a Democrat for over 40 years and I’am embarrassed by their stupidty . Most Repubicans are pro gun and we need to get more of them in office. This is easy to do and will shock the Democrat party.
Spread this to as many forums as you can
What moon did Rick just fall off? Republicans gerrymandered & demonized & kicked out hundreds and thousands of decent rural & suburban Democrats at all elective levels–Congress, States, Counties & Cities. So the urban/black/socialist/California dreaming arm of the Democratic party takes over.
Gun buy back programs do nothing but support the firearms industry. It is simply supply and demand. When you take used guns out of the supply side, manufactures will make more new guns to fill the demand. I hope congressman Payne is getting a big check from the gun manufactures, because he deserves it.
The more guns manufactures make, the more money they have to develop new and better models of guns. Oh, Thank You congressman Payne.
You really don’t understand how/why firearms are bought and sold on an individual level.
A semi-auto rifle, like an AR15 costs between $600 and the sky’s the limit in the retail market. So, if I haul my AR to a firearm buy back and sell it to the feds, I don’t get enough to go out and even replace it, much less buy something better. Most of the people who take firearms to gun buybacks were never criminals in the first place and left their firearms to collect in their sock drawer at the back of the closet. They don’t go out and buy another firearm. Check, there aren’t ‘spikes’ in the sales of new firearms in places where the government has totally just ripped a bunch of buyers.
If it worked like you think it did, firearms manufacturers would be pushing firearms buyback programs like hot dogs at a Yankee’s game.
The only ‘good’ thing that can come from buybacks is, if while waiting in line, you spot a person who’s going to sell back a firearm that is worth hundreds or thousands of dollars more than the cops are going to pay for it; you approach the seller and negotiate with the seller to affect a private treaty sale. This makes the seller better off and you get a good deal on a good firearm. And the firearm comes out of the alleged ‘criminal’ hands into the hands of a responsible firearms owner who won’t use it to commit a crime.
Most Demcrats are anti gun lovers, I’am making the proposal for everyone to change their political affiliation to Republican. I have been a Democrat for over 40 years and I’am embarrassed by their stupidty . Most Repubicans are pro gun and we need to get more of them in office. This is easy to do and will shock the Democrat party.
Spread this to as many forums as you can
I think it’s astounding that someone would propose such nonsense an make such an asinine statement as “If we can get one gun off the street, if we can save one life, then we have to take action.” This is actually a tribute to the ignorance and gullibility on the left.. Democrats know they can depend on the Useful Idiots to support such proposals. Obama has based his existence on stupid people.
Bow tie ay, Nation of islam ? This is what Billery wants.
This bill need only be re-titled: “How I plan on re-election.” Grandstanding but for one purpose only. Hey pal. Show us you are really aware of the actual problems in this society. Spend about a year or so in prison, and get to know those who actually have the intent to harm others. It also might help to loose some weight in there. Then when you come out, you will have a better focus on who you should be attacking. Just compare the real, ordinary citizens out of prison with those you met in jail. Now you can see the difference and begin designing real laws to attack those people, not us.
If the card is not registered to anyone in particular, then trade the card to someone for cash and buy another gun. Technically the card was not used to buy a gun, The gun was purchased with cash. The one who sets the price for the trade in probably has no concept of it’s worth. The value given to the gun should be the highest price obtainable from either the Blue Book value or Black Market value.
I don’t know where the Congressman’s head is at, but I have a pretty good idea. Participating in any gun ‘buyback’ program because you think criminals have too many guns is like castrating yourself because you think your neighbor has too many kids. How does the Congressman propose to enforce the plan he is pulling out of his butt? I have seen many people, back to the birth of food stamps buying food with the stamps, and selling it to mom and pop diners to get money to drink on. The diner profits from lower food costs, and the seller profits because they get their Mad Dog. I have not heard that the government has come up with a way to stop that traffic, but you think that criminals will turn in their guns, That takes a very special kind of stupid. The only people this will affect is the law-abiding gun owner who does everything right, but will become a criminal if they don’t go like a sheep to the shearing. There are enough gun laws on the books in the US (approx. 20,000) that if law enforcement takes a week and rounds up every gangbanger with a gun, every drug dealer with a gun, every convicted felon with a gun, they could fill every jail cell and patrol car and LEGALLY take these criminals off the streets for a minimum of five years, plus remove their arsenals from the streets. Too, destroying the captured guns really does no good, the guns should be sold by the police agencies to fund these raids. As a civil deputy in Arizona, I almost cried when we had to take a torch to a gorgeous 1928 Thompson sub in a wood presentation case. It was not fully automatic, and could have brought an easy two to three grand to aid in fighting crime. These anti-gun nuts with their ‘common sense’ and ‘reasonable’ gun grabs don’t appear able to grasp the concept that these stupid ideas don’t work, can’t work, for one simple reason: criminals do NOT obey laws, so they will never obey the new laws designed to disarm the citizen any more than they have obeyed laws alreqady on the books against murder, assault, robbery, rape, arson and even more. Quit trying to take our firearms away and make resiprocity legal in all fifty states, districts, and territories.
This Congressman left his Brains at the gate: all this will do is increase the theft of stolen guns by the people in the first place who would never register anything- If this is the best we get from either party,, this mental misfit should be sent packing, because his proposal would INCREASE DEADLY CRIME “DIRECTOR OF BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE another “phony” franchise operation? The entire ball of wax is based on a Bankrupt Government and It’s likewise illegal and bankrupt Franchises – we need to :”tear down this wall of oppression” Jail these criminals and start all over by retrieving the US Organic Constitution.
Well said— another feel good piece of useless legislation by a dimwitted voteseeker!
BIGGEST bunch of BULLONEY these phony politicians can think of… TRY LOCKING UP OR “EXECUTING” THESE VIOLENT POS instead, ie SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY INSTEAD OF CAGING, WATCHING, FEEDING, MEDICAL, TV WATCHING, WEIGHT LIFTING, “PHD PRISONS INSTITUTIONS!”
Wake up America=Criminals are “Job Security” for politicians, lawyers and construction industry!!!!
But if you listen to what they (the liberal left) says, it costs more to execute someone than it does to house them for life. Which personally think is bs…
More failed logic trying to be put into practice. If the politicians want a safer America they need to look to the real problems that are causing the deaths and not focus blindly on guns. My proposal for a safer America is to recall all the politicians in America and have new elections. The folks in Washington, DC contribute more to our ills than any other contributing factor.
Following the good congressman’s thought process: “If we can get one gun off the street, if we can save one life, then we have to take action.”, then the good congressman will surely resign his seat due to the simple FACT that legal people turning in junk weapons or self protection devices doesn’t reduce gun violence.
Pretty simple congressman. So listen to your own advice and resign before it becomes too late and you end up killing more people. It is also sad that he doesn’t sponsor a car buyback program as cars kill more people than guns i the U.S. every year.
Again, nobody ever said politicians were all that smart. (except themselves, of course)
Mr. Payne states “He took an oath to protect us”. I thought politicians took an oath to reinterate what their constituants wanted.
Their oath is to protect and defend the constitution, not to protect the citizens from each other. They are supposed to be protecting us from invaders and traitors. Instead they are the traitors we need protection from. Most of them break that oath the very first time they vote on a bill. Most of the laws the feds pass are unconstitutional. How hard is it to understand that “shall not be infringed” means they can’t legally tell us what kind of guns we can have, how many we can have nor where we can carry them. How is requiring a permit or a waiting period or a background check not an infringement on that right? Since when do you have to ask permission to exercise your rights?
If you’re going to waste my tax money, at least give me a decent bit of cash for the worthless gun I’m trying to dump. Sheesh!
More loonytoons from the left…along with the usual emotional BS argument…”If we can take even one gun off the street…” These people are completely CLUELESS.
If the Senator really wants to remove 85% of crime committed on the street’s. Go by FBI statistics as to who is committing the majority of the crime. Go after that society!
Look at Australia … this is a ridiculous idea.
Try $500-$1000 for a pistol. More for semi-automatic rifle. Get serious not on a grandstand. That will get illegal guns off the streets, a bit. Kids will be prime customers turning in weapons that should be turned in. Also, no prosecution or they will never cooperate. Then you can say you really tried something beside blowing smoke up our butts.Problem is, Dems really aren’t interested in the safety of the American citizen. All they care about is getting elected and further ruining our country.
I’ll second the comment above, this is nothing but BS. Come and take them Mr Payne, bring lots of help you POS!
If the government wants to blow money buying old guns then fine and IF they are serious…
$500 per handgun
$200 per singleshot shot gun
$500 per repeater long gun (bolt, lever, pump)
$1000 per semo automatic.
So, a Marlin .22 semi would get a cool thousand. That’s fine by me. A old .30-30 gets $500. A ratty old mosin nagant gets $500.
If they want “guns off the street” then pay at least a fair price.
That’s my money you are talking about spending. Dude! I can’t even afford one of those military look a like rifle/carbines. Wish I could. I’d buy a good bolt action 25-06 and scope for my tired old eyes. That way I might be able to hit those pretty blue helmets the UN “police” wear when they invade a country for “peacekeeping”. I’ll give them some peace.
So if the Senator REALLY wanted to protect the community, how about this law then?
It is a federal felony, with a mandatory execution, to shoot at or cause harm to any police officer in the performance of his duty.
Simple and to the point, huh? And he would have to spend $360 million of our money to enact it either!
So the cop that kicks your door in by accident serving a no-knock warrant at 6 am, and has the wrong address, should be able to kill you, since you would be armed, and it being illegal to defend yourself? This has happened, and the cop was justifiably shot.
The Liberals want an unarmed society so when they do make mistake(which is way to often) they won’t be held accountable or shot.
What does this have to do with the article? Can’t you read?
I guess they can’t read, and I would NOT take a cup of water from a “Doosh” dressed like that either.
I also would NOT trust ANY taxpayer money to come close to “IT” either.
I think you could take a toy gun to these “JUNK GUN BUYS WITH TAXPAYERS CASH” not buybacks and they would give you a debit card for it, and then pat themselves on their spineless, yellow thieving backs for saving
“ONE” life !!!!
and then pat themselves on their spineless, yellow backs
I think he copied that bowtie from my exclusive collection.
-Krusty
I guess they can’t read, and I would NOT take a cup of water from a “Doosh” dressed like that either.
I also would NOT trust ANY taxpayer money to come close to “IT” either.
I think you could take a toy gun to these “JUNK GUN BUYS WITH TAXPAYERS CASH” not buybacks and they would give you a debit card for it, and then pat themselves on their spineless, yellow thieving backs for saving
“ONE” life !!!!
Why not take in a bunch of the airsoft rifles of the type that BATFE agent confiscated because they could be so ‘easily converted’ to fire select fire? HA! See if they would be just as dumb and PAY you for them, or admit their agent was an idiot…
Either way, it’s a win
First, Big Joe nailed it. Second, Super G needs to check the law. In the majority of states it is a “Capitol Felony” to kill a police officer, teacher or politician and the law is effective 24/7 no only when they are on duty. Note, I have no problem with this law . . . at least as far as it protects check the law enforcement and teachers. Most states also include all emergency or first responders but that is not universal and I am unaware of any state that does not make it a capital felony to kill a politician (no surprise there, they make laws to protect themselves firs, laws to benefit themselves second, laws to ensure re-election third, and when they find time to stop screwing the staffers, they actually take up laws to benefit the people that pay them.)
The point is, there is already a law that makes it a death penalty crime (in states that have the death penalty) or a mandatory life sentence for killing a cop. Super G’s proposal would result in unfair and illogical detriment to otherwise law abiding citizens because it WRONGLY ASSUMES cops never make mistakes. If further assumes there is no such thing as a cop who abuses his/her authority.
Do police officers, firefighters, OUR MILITARY who is painfully and very importantly missing from the protected persons list and are infinitely more valuable than politicians, and teachers deserve special protection? Absolutely. Texas goes so far as to add children under the age of 5 to the list – though military service members on duty remain missing while politicians and “public officials” are deemed deserving of extra protection.
Lest anyone think otherwise, the capital felony is assumed, it becomes the defendant’s affirmative duty to show a justified shooting. In other words, if you kill a politician, public official, police officer or first responder, or a child under the age of 5 in Texas, you will be put to death unless you can show it was “justified” under the law. That more than meets SuperG’s draconian sense of justice.
What we need is not de-arming, we need to have mandatory gun training in high school. Not just a “hunter safety” course that is optional, a real training how to use a gun properly, how to safety a weapon, and for goodness sake – how to hold a firearm so at least the bangers can stop doing that stupid sideways thing, but more importantly, so that law abiding individuals who are raised by bleeding heart liberals will have the training and education necessary to make an informed decision when they become adults and eventually, we can shoot all the bad guys and the problem is solved.
Back a bunch of years, when I lived and raised my kids in San Bernardino, California, there was a popular initiative to put an optional firearms safety class in the public schools. At that time I was privately teaching gun safety to Boy Scouts in the area, and I fully supported the effort to use the schools to educate more kids in this critical area. As soon as the proposal was made public, the anti gun nuts came “out of the walls” and saturated the local media with the most hysterical propaganda you can imagine. Net result was that the school boards ignored the gun safety proposal – it was never even officially considered.
Meanwhile, California has become one of the most anti-gun states in the country, along with New York and Chicago in its strident opposition to allowing law abiding citizens to be legally armed. The recent terrorist attack (that’s exactly what it was) in San Bernardino is an example of what happens when 2nd Amendment rights are denied. The only reason it got the coverage it did was that details hit the TV news before politicians could suppress the fact that it WAS a terrorist attack by Muslim extremists against a Christian group in a peaceful assembly. Of course, our pretend president jumped in right away and dubbed it “workplace violence” – not that it matters, anyone with half a brain could figure out what it really was as the details of the investigation were made public.
Bottom line: it’s clear that government sponsored gun “buybacks” do NOT address any issue of violence in our society, but they do misdirect mega-bucks of taxpayer money. The money would be better spent providing gun safety and skills training to the public – starting with our kids in school. We all pay taxes to support public education, so let’s include mandatory basic gun safety and optional advanced shooting skills training in those schools?? It makes more sense than using millions of tax dollars to buy (mostly) junk guns from law abiding folks.
Careful with that “cause harm” language…using any kind of deadly weapon on a LEO, absolutely – but you don’t want to give the gubment the ability to execute people for a drunken punch or, worse yet, brushing up against a cop or any of the other trivial excuses they use to charge people with “assaulting a police officer.” This government is already FAR down the road to tyranny, we don’t want to help that along any…
NOW THE CRIMINALS HAVE A GOOD REASON TO BREAK INTO HOMES AND GUN STORES AND MAKE BIG BUCKS..WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL GET HURT OR KILLED OVER THIS FROM CRIMINALS..I WILL NEVER GIVE MY GUNS UP FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY AND NEITHER WILL ANY OTHER REAL PATRIOT..WE ALL KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THEM WANTING OUR GUNS AND THEY THINK AMERICANS ARE TO STUPID TO KNOW WHAT EVIL THEY HAVE IN STORE FOR US,,AND ANOTHER THING..I DO BELIEVE EVERY THING THAT THE LEFT SAYS ABOUT THE RIGHT IS WHAT THEY REALLY LOL..THEY ARE ALL NINNY NINNY BOO BOO..WE HAVE MENTAL CASES IN OUR GOVERNMENT
The beauty about the $360 million as far as the well dressed Congressman Donald M. Payne, Jr. is concerned, is that it is funny money. It is not real because it is not coming from his pocket. As far as he is concerned, if the money is completely wasted — someone steals the cards and trade them for drugs or the warehouse holding the cards just catches fire — he still will look good to his voters because he “did something.”
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. –Voltaire (1764)
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. — G. Gordon Liddy
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Most Demcrats are anti gun lovers, I’am making the proposal for everyone to change their political affiliation to Republican. I have been a Democrat for over 40 years and I’am embarrassed by their stupidty . Most Repubicans are pro gun and we need to get more of them in office. This is easy to do and will shock the Democrat party.
Spread this to as many forums as you can !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this Anti-Gun B*** sound familiar?>Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)< said in May 2010:(TSC) "The no-fly list itself is one of our best lines of defense." However, the list has been criticized on civil liberties and due process grounds, due in part to the potential for ethnic, religious, economic, political, or racial profiling and discrimination. It has also raised concerns about privacy and government secrecy. Finally, it has been criticized as costly, prone to false positives, and easily defeated. Any gun owner will soon be on this list…
“Most Democrats are anti gun lovers” — ? The only people that believe this statement is the extreme right wing!
If this statement is true then the majority of people are anti-gun because the majority of people are registered Democrats.
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
“I am making the proposal for everyone to change their political affiliation to”
My proposal is for everyone that is registered Democrat to let their party know that they do not support their stand on anti-gun! If the politicians really want to get tough on illegal use of firearms then make a law if a crime (person is found guilty in a court of law) is committed by the use of a firearm then a minimum of 10 years (this number can be any you like just as long as it has the word “minimum” is in front of it) without parole must be served plus any additional time for the crime committed! Use a firearm to commit a crime = 10 years of your life locked up!
One thing for sure is there are very few Democrats in office or running for office that want the American people to keep their 2ND Amendment rights. That alone should be enough to make people vote out any Democrats from office and for that matter any Republican that does anything against our 2nd Amendment rights. We gun enthusiasts really need to stick together on this issue.
What you just wrote makes no sense and has nothing to do with the article that was published.
It’s like Donald Trump said ———– We are being led by some of the dumbest people in the world – I think this guy could quality-I’m not prejudice, you just dumb! LIKE SOMEONE SAID, Why not also make mandatory sentences for shooting someone with a gun like hanging till dead or the firing squad! Why be so “politically correct”? Pretty simple, if your serious about stopping crime than lets really detour crime !!!!!
Why do people persist in this bizarre belief that cops’ lives are more valuable than the lives of citizens who go to work and actually have to produce something? You know, contribute to society? Create wealth? Support the economy?
I am not saying cops lives are worth less than anyone’s else’s. Just because they found a job where they could be professional bullies, beat up or shoot people for a living while being completely unaccountable–while grazing at the public trough and taking money out of the economy–does not give their lives greater value and demand higher punishments.
Fake Lucia Brogia… “they found a job where they could be professional bullies, beat up or shoot people for a living while being completely unaccountable”
Are you seriously so stupid that you believe that’s why dedicated men and women become police officers? I was a cop for twenty one years. Not once was I accused of excessive force or of any other crime. Not one time EVER. I have known cops all my life. Are there some who shouldn’t be in law enforcement? Of course. And it is up to the department by whom they are employed to weed them out. The VAST majority of law enforcement professionals are decent, compassionate and honest, and have a sincere desire to make things safer for all citizens. A cop’s life is worth more than yours, Fake, because they risk theirs daily, but the officers I have known would lay down theirs to protect yours even if you are an idiot.
If I have a junk gun worth less than what they are offering, OK, I will sell it, but only to buy another better gun!
Deal with that as my good guns will stay put and in my hands!
YOU SOB’S HAVE BUY BACK MONEY
BUT NO COA FUNDS
YOU STEAL $150 BILLION FROM THE SS FUND IN OCT 2015
WE GOT ISIS USING US FOR TARGET PRACTICE AND YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR GUNS
YOU DUMB ASS CORRUPT POLITICIANS ARE GOING TO KEEP ON TILL YOU HAVE A CIVILWAR
GOING ON BETWEEN THE DARKIES AND THE MUSLIMS FOR GOD’S SAKE DO SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR THE PEOPLE. I’M 73 WAS GOING TO GIVE MY KIDS SOME MONEY WHEN I GO WHICH ISN’T TO FAR OFF
BUT I THINK ILL USE IT TO SUPPORT EVERY POLITICIAN WHO RUNS AGAINST YOU GUN THIEVES
I would like to know exactly who you are calling a “darkie” and why? You may be 73 but you sound like you haven’t learned a thing about people in all your years. Using language like that doesn’t help anything. Grow up. Treat people with respect if you want to be treated with respect.
Enjoy your last term you dumb corrupt fat ass cause we re going to vote you out of office
Buyback my ass.