Genderqueers now have the option to check “non-binary” on Form 4473s.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) put out a notice to the public to revise the Firearms Transaction Record (4473) in December of 2019.
Included in the proposed revision was language to amend Section 14, which asks about the transferee’s sex.
Traditionally, there were only two options: “Male” and “Female.”
However, “Non-Binary,” a third option, was added to the “Sex” box (Section 14) as part of that latest update.
Historically, government agencies have resisted adding a non-binary option in order to avoid confusion when trying to identify an individual.
But in 2017, Oregon became the first state to offer a non-binary option on state IDs, and at least nine other states have followed suit. The federal government has joined that trend.
The change was finalized after the customary 60-day comment period from the public, which ran into the early months of 2020.
Section 14 on current 4473s now reads as follows:
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GunsAmerica is addressing this matter because an older article from 2018, entitled, “Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s” is still getting legacy traffic due to web searches.
That headline is no longer correct.
This new “non-binary” option means that gun dealers can now transfer or sell firearms to individuals who do not identify as either “male” or “female” on the 4473.
Confused about what non-binary is? Check out the video below from BBC Three for more information:
The buyer has to select whatever their identification says. This means it is unlawful to select non-binary if the ID says Male or Female.
When ATF is looking for a suspect in an unlawful firearms purchase investigation, good luck with the “non binary” description. “Be on the look-out for a hispanic non binary”. This is the definition of insanty. This country is headed for the evolutionary landfill.
It’s beyond bizarre if a person does not know whether they stand up or sit down to pee, the have no business with a firearm.
I discovered today that my pronoun gender is superstraight!
And you better use and respect it or ill get triggered and hit you with my hanky
See you at the pride march
Seriously, who cares? Gender is not a 2A issue and if offering “non-binary” gets more folks on the 2A side I’m all for it. You folks who’re getting spun up on a box are missing the bigger picture.
Kind of what I said a few scrolls below.
Seems like a blatant contradiction of the form to me. First it asks if you are male – female – or suffer from Gender Dysphoria, a recognized mental defect. Then it asks if you suffer from mental defect, which if you identify as so doing, you are disqualified from purchasing a gun.
Oh… But, then they want comprehensive background checks, to include psychiatric evaluation, where any number of reasons determined by the left and some liberal psychiatrist, may disqualify you from owning a firearm in psychiatric evaluation! Apparently this recognized mental defect isn’t one of those.
Hmmmm….
Doesn’t this bring us back to the argument of drug use, and medical marijuana, which the federal government says it doesn’t recognize, and suggests it disqualifies you from buying a gun? While at the same time they allow those on prescription opioids to buy a gun?
Looks to me like the lunatics truly are running the asylum!
When the Communists ruled the Soviet Union and their satellite states, they would routinely tell blatant lies to their people. The purpose of these lies wasn’t to convince you that lies were truth, but to humiliate you.
The populace had three choices, stay silent and/or ignore the lie. Openly challenge the lie and risk retaliation, up to and including imprisonment and death. Or, embrace the lie, repeat it and convince others that the lie was actually truth and perhaps be rewarded.
This is exactly what is happening with government, media and the oligarchs that rule over this country. They need to mentally beat you down and if they can’t they will make sure you are punished for your hate speech, prejudice and intolerance,
Forcing people to deny the obvious existence of only two sexes, is a classic example of taking something that everyone on the planet knows to be true and agrees with and essentially criminalizing it. Today, you will only be “un-personed” from social media, lose your job, your business and be subject to ridicule and public scorn.
Once the left gets their “Hate Crime” agenda included in the penal code, expect jail to be added to that list of punishments. Until then, fight back and yell at the top of your lungs for all to hear that the Lie is a Lie.
“In a time of Universal Deceit, speaking the Truth is a Revolutionary Act.” – George Orwell
GROW UP! WTF does it matter to you what gender someone defines as? IT DOESN’T! You are a hypocrite going on and on about freedom, but would deny someone their freedoms at the drop of a hat if it doesn’t conform to your lazy, bigoted thinking. SEX ISN’T GENDER!!!
This issue goes deeper than being identify whatever binary means, but is really about freedom of speech. The government is recognizing that binary is a sex. These mentally confused people don’t recognize that if you were born with a penis or a vagina that identifies your sex and at the same time I’m/we are supposed to acknowledge their version of their identification. If you disagree you’re a homophobic, racist, transphobic basically suppressing your given right to medically and correctly for thousands of years calling a male or female for what it is. I simply don’t care what they to themselves but if you have a penis you better be using the boys/men’s bathroom.
What’s next, gender identification boxes on medical forms for abortion?
Their is no “IT” indentiy when you are born. People are male or female. Only sick lost individuals who are mentally disturbed trying to fit into society with a false sense of reality.
This is amazing! I immediately picked the NB and started laughing ha ha ha. These forms just get dumber and dumber. On a lighter note I d love to see the looks on their faces when 6’4 x marine wearing a dress walks into congress and tells them to stuff their gun laws up their………… LOL.
Jesus Christ made all of life as simple as possible but you insane crazy people ruin it for everyone else! It’s called gender dysphoria and you really need Jesus Christ in your life to correct your mind Amen!
Now there is no MR Potato head because of this shit!! A small group of weirdos is driving social acceptance. We need to stand up to this
crap
If they can identify as another “gender” then why can’t anyone under the age of 21 identify as being 21 and buy all the beer they want?
Who the f*** cares? All these sick comments by the trans phobics are disgusting. FYI Thousands, yes I said thousands, of those trans men and women are ex GI’s who can likely handle a gun better than you and can kick your ass. MANY of them, you wouldn’t know it to look at them and you might not believe them if they told you so.
Get over it, the world is much more complicated than you ever imagined.
Just be happy they are gun owners and opposed to confiscation just like you.
Yep. I literally give no cares what a person does with or to themselves, or how/what they identify as, so long as they support my rights as diligently as I support theirs.
Sick.
I take this as a very minor positive. If the “gender” alphabet-soupers have won this accommodation, it might increase overall gun ownership. On the downside, 4473 is–and always has been–effective gun registration, no matter how you slice it.
If that picture doesn’t get you guys “out of the mood” – and turn your stomachs – I don’t know what will.
The bathrooms that they should be using are those that are in an insane asylum.
I identify as a male lesbian…and I need my mask on at all times.
I would like to know why they still ask on the form if we are Hispanic or non Hispanic. Why is that even an issue?
Operation Fast and Furious.
These people are mentally ill. Instead of embracing their illness and accommodating them, every effort should be made to send them for help.
I will never get those 6 minutes and 52 seconds back from watching that video. Bunch of fuckin’ weirdos. Yea, that’s right asshole, if you were born with a dick your a male and if you were born with a vagina your a female. No ifs ands or buts.
Like it or not there is still only one gender.
Have your laugh. Then try to be an adult.
I had a Veterinarian that was taking care of our parrots. He was like the ‘bird whisperer’ with animals and a fantastic person – wife and I loved the guy. Then one day we tried to make an appointment and he was gone. Hoping he has set up a new practice we searched on this name – and discovered he was leading the trans movement in our state. Wife and I surprised – we had no idea he was a trans. I read his web site. Their big issue – doing common things like renewing a drivers license looking like a man when the license clearly state female was a problem with every police stop – and – the DMV made them jump extra hoops identical to getting a passport just to renew a state driver’s license. I also learned on his web site the reason he left the clinic – hazing from the other doctors once the found out. So – have your laugh – then get over it because not every trans is a pink haired face pierced freak. Knowing this man – and what he has gone through has certainly changed my opinion of the whole issue.
Yes they are weirdos and freaks. Men have penises and girls have vaginas. If you don’t get it you are part of the problem. Simply said they are mentally ill. It’s really that simple.
This is disturbed and I’m not down with the sickness…. Not a need or place in society for those type of people!!!!!
I agree with what you say and with the concept of ‘live and let live’.
The blame for this problem has shifted from normal assholes like bad cops to the overreaction of these mentally I’ll people and the Communist Democrats and Bureaucrats that are using them to further their criminal power.
You don’t submit to a deranged person’s demands.
What’s amazing to me is that the colleges and universities can’t seem to figure out what sex you are but I could go ask a 2 year old and they could tell me right away. Oh wait, the demon rats are now saying that 3 month old babies are racist. Next they will say they are homophobic too. The left is really effed up. Worse than I ever thought.
So here in Liberal CA, we cannot sell a firearm to a non-male or non-female person. Unfortunately CA DOJ has not updated their DROS system to accommodate these confused individuals. Where is the outrage?!?!
We’ll I’m real happy for them.
Aren’t there supposed to be something like 26 different classifications besides male and female in the LGBTQ community now? Going to have to add an extra page for that.
Where the fuck did all these mentally ill idiots come from on this forum??!!!! If you think this non binary bull shit is okay torn in YOUR gun, your not mentally able to responsible own a gun.
You give up your guns instead. You cow tow to the mentally ill who can’t figure out what sex they are. You are part of the problem perpetuating their mental illness you buffoon.
I love it when two idiots on the same side communicate so poorly that they start yelling at each other…
This is absolutely a awesome article. I have been laughing my but off at the responses. First off does what ever they want to call them selves effect you? No then who cares. It’s just another dumb stunt by some idiot in DC. Our tax dollars hard at work LMFAO 😆
If the ATF wants to open the 4473 up to chaos, I say let them have it! EVERYBOBY who fills out a 4473 should check nonbinary. What a great monkey wrench! The ATF is a bunch of idiots!
That is a good idea. Give the Ruling Establishment NDSP more of what they want which is a Clown World.
My ARs and AKs identify as flintlock muskets. It amuses me to use government logic against the government. I was born in Hawaii, but was told I was not a Pacific Islander, since I was not “native”. I pointed out the definition of “native” refers to where a person was born, and mine clearly shows I was born in Honolulu. I have also been told that if you’re from Spain you’re Hispanic, but if you’re Portuguese you aren’t, unless you were born in Brazil. I found that interesting considering Spain surrounds Portugal on three sides, and the other side is ocean. You can’t make this stuff up. Also, regardless of any future federal gun laws, I fully intend to point out that since I live in a sanctuary county and state, local law enforcement cannot enforce federal law. That’s what our local “leaders” have been telling us about immigration law, right? My greatest coup so far has been my DNA test. Although I was raised as Portuguese, I was adopted. I found out I am actually part Mexican and part American Indian, so I now get to check those boxes. I made my employer’s head spin when I was able to tell them my ethnicity changed at age 60. They didn’t like it, but couldn’t refute it based on their own rules. I can play this game all day. I had male coworker use the ladies’ room and was asked if he identified as female. He said, “no, I identify as lazy, and I’m not going to walk to the other end of the hall”. He even managed to get promoted…
I’m middle aged, and I don’t understand much about trans folks, or gender identity or stuff like that. I do get amused by how much the idea upsets folks. Anytime you’re calling someone else crazy for something that’s important to them, it’s a good opportunity to engage in self reflection. Or get freaked out and yell at people, judging from some of these comments.
If the non-binary box is a means of helping younger people feel more welcome and included in the shooting sports, then I’m on board. The idea it would prevent law enforcement from identifying people is hogwash, and/or pearl clutching.
I will say it again. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Enough said. I don’t know about anyone else but if the two weirdos in this story showed up at the range, I would go elsewhere. There inability to be able to say they are male or female is proof of mental
Illness.
Agree. Mentally unstable cross-dressers and genital mutilators demonstrate that they are engaging in a personal and political war against normality.
“Boys have penises, girls have vaginas.”…And, naturally born hermaphrodites have both. There, fixed that for you. The world isn’t as black and white as you think it is.
Here I will fix it for you. Natural born hermaphrodites account for less 1/10th of 1% of the population you imbecilic buffoon.
“Natural born hermaphrodites account for less 1/10th of 1% of the population” …So what? Do you think that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to them – that they shouldn’t have a right to bear arms? The government is trying to make the form viable for 100% of the population – every single living, breathing human being. That’s why they are giving the 3rd option.
“you imbecilic buffoon” …Name calling is practiced by people that are losing arguments.
Yes it is.
Cool, more room at the range.
I would point out to you that gender and sex are two different things.
But then I also know that trying have any type of reasonable discussion with people like you is an absolute and total waste of time. You are completely incapable of any level of introspection or self-analysis, and therefore completely incapable of learning anything new. It must be a terrible way to move through the fleetingly small time we have in our personal existence.
Who cares? If you want to be a bigot, go be a bigot. Me, I could care less what box someone selects for gender…the fact that folks exercising their 2A rights have to fill out a 4473 is the bigger/real problem, not this social conservative crap.
Anyone who is mentally ill should not be able to buy or own a gun. Thus, if you check that box, you should be automatically disqualified because if you think you are a different sex than what SCIENCE says, you are mentlly ill!
No joke, you you can not comprehend what sex you are, how are you supposed to comprehend what is a good or bad way to use a weapon. Insanity.
I cannot believe such negativity here about a box that they do not have to worry about except for a small population group that want to be gun owners. If that upsets you so much, it could be said you have a mental disorder. Since your Social Security Number and Driver License Number are on the form. no other information really needs to be added. In all reality, it is a non issue. Once you start bringing in mental disorders into the fray, you open up a big subjective area; some may say wanting to own a gun is a mental disorder; there are studies that consider PTSD a mental disorder. I am sure you have seen them. This is the real issue: the form itself is unnecessary, that “shall not be infringed” part.
Amen!
John then you shout with them. They are male or female, nothing else. If they can’t decide they are mentally ill. I choose to go elsewhere. Like I said, you can hang with them, I and a vast majority here choose not to.
I’ve owned a gun store, and there are very good reasons this should never happen, and very good reasons the questions on the form, are there in the first place. If someone steals the identity of say “Chris Smith”, then tries to use that information to buy a firearm, knowing the actual gender helps make sure the person is who they say they are. Just like the race question. If the real Chris Smith is a black female, and a white male, the background check will pick that up. This is just going to reduce the effectiveness of the background checks.
Sorry, was interrupted and missed a point.
If a white male uses the information of Chris Smith while trying to buy a firearm, the background check will catch it. It’s very important to be able to cross reference actual recorded data, with that of the person when purchasing.
If they’re going to start doing things like this, just stop background checks altogether, because they’re going to end up being useless.
All this gender ID stuff comes down to the basics. If an archeologist dug up your remains in 100 years and did a DNA test, what will it say. That is the answer.
Are you advocating for requiring DNA tests in order to purchase a firearm?? And by the way, naturally born hermaphrodites have both male AND female chromosones.
https://www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism
Then shouldn’t the box read hermaphrodite? Funny thing, I haven’t heard anyone screaming for hermaphrodite rights!
‘Non-Binary’ certainly includes hermaphrodites.
I am not familiar with a big outcry for “hermaphrodite rights” either. Perhaps it’s because a majority of hermaphrodites transition into the sex they identify with at some point into their lives and blend into traditional male/female society.
No more than 1% of births are hermaphrodites; probably much less than that; not a huge problem. It is getting to where application forms that require the sex to be noted should specifically include having a DNA sample submitted; that’s just a dab of saliva on a Q-Tip, sealed in a small air-tight packet or bottle. Or, if the individual knows his chromosome type – XX for female, XY for male, just put check-boxes for that information, instead of the M or F checkboxes.
I, for one, am totally against requiring a DNA sample to purchase a firearm. Definitely government overreach.
“No more than 1% of births are hermaphrodites … not a huge problem.” … You’re implying that it’s not a big deal to deny a small minority their Constitutional rights. The percentage of ‘non-binary’ people, not just hermaphrodites, is obviously very low. That’s not the issue. The issue is whether or not they have 2nd Amendment rights (spoiler alert: they do). The ‘non-binary’ option on the form is a good solution for the government to identify the individual while fulfilling their Constitutional rights.
If the government uses this as a factor to help it trace firearms then everyone should embrace the government’s stupidity and check “non-binary” taking away something that use to assist the government.
The could have saved space and ink with a simpler descriptor: He, She, It.
The people who want to give up the only thing that has kept America still have a right to keep and bear arms. If you can’t comprehend “THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMES SHALL NOT BE ABRIDGED ” should live in China or some other communist hell hole and leave the freedom loving Americans alone. The only thing dictators want is to disarm everyone so that they cannot protect themselves from the likes of Joe Biden, kamala Harris, Hill and Billary Clinton, Al gore and all other commies. We don’t need you here!!!
If that Non-Binary box is checked it should disqualify a person from purchasing a firearm based on mental status. There is something drastically wrong with a person who doesn’t think they are the gender they were born in. Mental health issues are the number one reason we have mass shootings.
I don’t recall a single mass shooting by a person who identifies as non-binary nor anyone who is transexual. Mass shooters are 99% straight white males. Only about 1/3 of them had mental health issues ergo, mental health issues are not the number one reason we have mass shootings. Hate or anger are not mental health issues. Using your logic, straight white males should not be allowed to purchase or own firearms because 99% of mass shootings are committed by straight white males.
Actually it is 96% according to studys. Now with this new box some may guess this percentage will drop even more!
I goofed, WM shooters are 57%, 96% are just males…. and the rest of the comment is the same. 🙂
Your numbers are vastly incorrect. There have been many high volume criminal shooters who are not white. Check some news stories from major democratically controlled cities and the inner cities there in. Any mass shooting is too many, but Your numbers are way off.
What does this article have to do with pro 2A or info about new firearms. Articles like this and responses like those above are why we will eventually loose the 2A as we know it today. Spewing the type of hate/prejudice above seems like a mental disorder maybe the commenters shouldn’t be allowed to own firearms due to there mental disorder. I don’t care M\F/? If a person is pro 2A they are on our side. We shouldn’t we alienating them with comments like those above or articles like this.
Oh, my stars and garters! 😂
Suggested new question for the form: “Have you ever read a book by Doctor Seuss?” 😂 😅😂😅😂
Why won’t you post my comments? Censorship isn’t a good look.
Hilarious that people complain about gender, but no one complains about the racial profiling that this form still does.
Shining example of libtard hypocrisy. They say they want to keep guns from criminals, so they undermine the purpose of a 4473 by giving criminals a legal way to lie about who they actually are. Dealers who won’t sell to “non-binary” are going to end up with discrimination lawsuits and their license revoked given the current crop of idiots who are running things in DC now.
Is “genderqueer” ok to say?
This one question should streamline and speedup the process of making background checks, because a first look at that box should eliminate all forms with nonbinary checked from any further review because they have already admitted to having a mental disorder. The two things that disqualify a person are criminal record and mental disorder. Sorry there is also age.
This one question should streamline and speedup the process of making background checks, because a first look at that box should eliminate all forms with nonbinary checked from any further review because they have already admitted to having a mental disorder. The two things that disqualify a person are criminal record and mental disorder.
I have to agree with Mr. Boyd. Most of the questions on the form are either “Who are you?” (Identification) OR “Are you likely to use this weapon illegally?” Since they are hiding at least a portion of their ID and are statistically more likely to attempt suicide, I would be hesitant to sell to one.
To paraphrase B. Shapiro, I don’t care if you call yourself a raccoon, if you have a penis *I* will call you a male. Your right to be confused, my right to be honest.
And what will you call someone born with both a penis and a vagina (hermaphroditism)?
I know gun dealers who will not sell to anyone who marks that “non-binary” box. Two reasons. One, if you don’t know if you are a boy or a girl, then you clearly are mentally ill and cannot qualify to make a gun purchase. And two, you are required to mark all answers on the form truthfully, and by marking “non-binary”, you are clearly lying, because there are only two genders in this world. So marking “non-binary” is considered lying on the government form. Just like when scientists attempt to identify human remains. They always are identified as male or female. Never “non-binary”. Probably because the people who identify as “non-binary” only have a mental illness.
Which of the “two genders” are naturally born hermaphrodites?
You keep bring the hermaphrodite issue up. That is a birth defect that effects less than 1/10 of 1% of the population and if a dna test is done on a hermaphrodite it will show male or female, whichever is the dominant gene. God made Man and Woman nothing more as far as humans are concerned.
I keep bringing hermaphroditism up for the following reasons:
1. Its existence proves that there is a such thing as non-binary, which you and others on here keep denying,
2. It is easier to understand than transsexualism,
3. It is something they are born with; it can’t be argued that they chose to be that way or have a mental health issue
“is a birth defect”…I am not sure that is correct. Hermaphroditism is normal, and even beneficial, in other species. I believe that in medical circles it is referred to as a disorder, not a defect.
“effects less than 1/10 of 1% of the population” …So what? They still have 2nd Amendment rights, don’t they?
“a dna test is done on a hermaphrodite …will show…the dominant gene” Admittedly, I have a very limited understanding of this, but what I read seemed to disprove that. https://www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism
Could you provide a citation to back up your claim?
“God made Man and Woman nothing more” If you believe that we are all Children of God, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
“Natural” hermaphrodites make up a vanishingly small percentage of the general BINARY population. For biological hermaphrodites, ok, “non-binary” if they so choose. For everyone else, male or female. There.
A vanishingly small percentage of the general BINARY population.
Shouldn’t a person who checks the ‘non-binary’ box in section 14 also check the ‘Y’ box on question 21f since they are obviously insane (though they may not have technically been ‘adjudicated’ insane)? Gender disphoria is recognized in psychiatry as a mental abnormality. They are obviously a danger to themselves (addadicktome – female to male trans reassignment surgery or dicktomy – male to female trans reassignment surgery, not to mention the crazy hormone treatments). Also it is a proven fact that those with gender disphoria who trans have a much higher rate of suicide than the gen-pop.
just because you sawed your cock off doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have a right to buy a gun
If you’re crazy enough to do that – yeah it does!
I agree. Cocklessness doesn’t preclude you from defending yourself.