German Sport Guns, GSG, was at SHOT Show 2015 showing off what maybe their coolest product yet–an MP40 in the original 9mm caliber. GSG makes a MP40 now but it is in .22LR. That is mainly what they make, reproduction military arms in .22.
All of their guns are imported to the US by American Tactical Imports.
The new MP40 in 9mm has initial approval from the ATF at the time of the show. The representative at the booth said that they will be sending the ATF a working gun in April for final approval. Once that is obtained, they will begin production and importation. The guns will be sold without a shoulder stock (as pistols). If you file a Form 1 and get a stamp for an SBR, they will sell you the folding stock like the originals had.
These are not 100% true to the originals. The internals are different on the action. There was a bit of a language barrier with the rep at the booth, but I understood him to say that it had to be changed due to ease of full auto conversion. The original MP40 fired off an open bolt. The new Thompson’s had to be changed for similar reasons. Another change will be the addition of a safety.
If all goes well with the ATF, they hope to start shipment to the US later this year. MSRP is projected to be in the $550 range.
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Version with a fake silencer to make the barrel length over 16″. This one is on a .22–they might make on like it in 9mm.
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In pistol configuration. The stock goes on the round spot.
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Folding stock.
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Bolt. But doesn’t fire off an open bolt.
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MP-40 9mm.
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Sights.
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We have ways of making you talk!
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The added safety.
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A look in with the bolt open.
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Looks worth getting a stamp for to me!
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Looks like a great replica. I have the .22 caliber stg44 and the mp40. Mine shoot great and are fun. Can’t wait to get the 9mm version! Will spend the $200 for the tax stamp. The price is fantastic! Thanks AT !
I had a toy gun copy of this in the year 1955. It was made by Mattel toy company. Now I can get one that shoots real bullets.
“Made by Mattel it’s swell.lol
Are these out for purchase now? If so, were can look to get ahold of one?
So my question is this: Why must we pay the $200 tax to SBR a weapon that does not fire a rifle round? That’s the whole point of a “short barreled rifle” in that it fires a rifle caliber. So why should we have to go through the money and considerable hassle if it’s only 9mm? Just thinking out loud.
I don’t want one. I NEED one. Maybe one for my daughter as well.
OK, “SBR” short barreled rifle.
Tax stamp sounds prohibitive.
I want a MP-40, 9mm, with the folding stock. Will anyone explain the procedures and implications of filing a “Form 1” and getting a “stamp for an SBR?” What is a “stamp” and a “SBR”?
A Form 1 is to “manufacture” an NFA (Rifle under 16/26″, Shotgun under 18/28″, Handgun with a Foregrip, etc…) gun. It is considered manufacturing to convert a firearm to NFA configuration. You would use a Form 4 to buy one that was already an NFA Gun.
Basically, it is $200, a sign off from the Chief of Police/Sheriff, Fingerprints, Passport Photos, and a long wait (I’ve seen numbers from 30 Days to 9 months). You can bypass the signature, fingerprints, and photo by incorporating/establishing a trust and buying the gun as the company/trust. This also from what I’ve heard reduces the approval time and for Form 1 allows you to file electronically.
In the coming months (July I believe), changes to ATF regulations will also include:
1. Elimination of the sign off from the Chief Of Police for individuals.
2. Inclusion of the fingerprints and photograph for all “responsible” members of the trust (my understanding is trustees who can access and possess the items owned by the trust) for trusts filing. These are filed once every 2 years assuming the trust doesn’t change besides updating the list of property owned by the trust.
3. I am not sure if the changes to the trust requirements will prevent trusts from e-filing. Currently because there are no photos or fingerprint cards a trust can file electronically through the ATF E-file system. Only Form 1s can be e-filed at this time, Form 4 (to transfer a NFA item) is currently paper only.
Hope this helps, NFA items (Short barreled rifles and shotguns, suppressors, etc.) are all kinds of fun. Expensive fun sometimes, but easy to get into the rabbit hole.
How does one set up said trust?
I would love to have one in 9mm!!!! The ww2 buffs and reenactment guys will go crazy over this!! Please make it easy to fire blanks!
Looks like an air soft gun. I do not like it at all ! Another “improvement” …. Nothing replaces original design ! And btw, this gun is not Schmeisser !
Good god you beautiful German bastards if you make this come to light ill sure as hell pick up one, possibly 2 and as many mags as I can afford post selling off a sh** ton of things. hope GSG realizes the American gun market is starving for stuff like this!!!!
I want one!!!!!! Put me on the list for the first guns off the line. Been my dream gun for 65 years. I had a friend with a real one right after W.W. II. When we were kids we shot it every 4th of July in the city dump, Cops never knew it from fireworks. Don’t know what happened to him or the gun and don’t want to for that matter. The gun I mean!
Great idea, even in semi auto, and yes ,the folder stock has to be with the deal in the end.
L.P.
MAKE ONE California legal
Ha Ha California legal. That means Plastic with the big red noze piece. Cant fire anything but caps. Thanks to the Democommies in Ca you cant own anything leagally
Stg44 7.62×39 winner idea! I’d still wait a year + for all the eager buyer’s reviews, on the Mp40 or the suggested STG44. Wouldn’t it be a semi; S P 40 tho?
YES, I WANT ONE !!!!!
THANKS , GENE
YES. I Want The First One To Get Here. Great Gun. For My Col. ??? GOOD LUCK. ??
What all types of 9 mm ammo will it shoot?
How about +P ammunition?
How about interchangeable barrels for 22 LR? Another caliber ammo?
Thank you for your reply.
Unfortunately those of us in Kalifornia will not be able to buy these.
Thanks to the approved handgun list and the new law requiring semi-automatic pistols to have micro stamping unless they were previously on the approved list. Basically all NEW Semi auto handguns are effectively now banned. The only newly approved handguns on the list are revolvers, The only semi is a Desert Eagle which was already on the list.
SBR’s and NFA weapons are already illegal in this messed up state, so there’s no way around it unless laws change..
Can I put a sig brace on it LOL
I CAN’T WAIT TO BUY ONE!!
SO COOL!! I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A MANUFACTURER TO MAKE THIS GUN!! MAY END UP
BUYING TWO OF THEM!! LOVE IT AND MY GERMAN ANCESTRY!!
SIEG HEIL!!
Wow! Leave it to gsg ! As a ww II buff been hoping for someone to do this in 9 mm ! Have several of they’re .22 calibers and my grandson and I love them. They’re stg 44 is great and they’re mp 40 .22 is really fun. As are they’re mp 5’s. Thanks GSG!
It’s interesting that you’re a grandfather, yet you don’t know the difference between they’re & their… đŸ™„
It’s no wonder gun opposers think gun advocates are uneducated… ‘It make us look not good’ đŸ˜‰
Super as I am a huge WWII Small Arms Buff. I would love to see someone do the same for the Grease Gun, Sten, Sterling etc. as I think they would be quite popular.
There are a FEW hex nuts but there are multiple big Philips. No torx
is the muzzle nut removable for a blank adapter
The screw heads don’t look like Phillips head to me. More like Torx.
No fake suppressors please!
Make two versions:
1) Origional – For the class 3 people.
2) 16″ Bbl for everyone else (NO Fake suppressor).
I want an mp40 so bad
I want a 9mm Pistol
They would have had 10 times the sales if they had done two things. Make the barrel long enough to classify it as a rifle so it could have had a folding workable stock and make the price reasonable which would have been about the price of an AK 47. But this gun like the STG 44 they will be importing is hand made and only a few will be made for the rich and it will probably be the same price as the STG 44 which is 5,000 dollars. Both guns are nothing more than stamped sheet metal guns that were originally designed to be made as fast and as cheap as possible and they still could be made that way today with new tooling which this company does not have.
MSRP is around $550 probably even lower the STG will probably be around $2000 or even $1600.
What STG44 for $2000 or $1600 are you referring to Michael? Do you mean an STG44 in 8mm Kurz being imported by GSG ? Or perhaps you are referring to the STG44s that are again being (rumored for now) imported from SSD in Germany? If GSG is bringing in STG44s in 8mm Kurz for $16000, I would be in for sure. If you are referring to the SSD guns, those will be $5000 or more anyhow.
On a separate note, I would buy opne of these 9mm MP40 versions from GSG, but only if it has the folding stock attached and pinned so if I wanted an SBR, I could simply take it to a gunsmith after approval and get it done. I’m not having any gun manufacturer scrutinize my paperwork just to sent me a folding stock.
The MP 38 is not stamped sheet metal.
it is the MP40.
You are a expert, arent you?
Didn’t say anything about anything being stamped? BTW – if you are going to be bringing in any more SSD products – make sure you bring spare parts for them.
I meant Petru Sova
And yes, Spare Parts will be available
You might want to take a look at the HMG Stg 44. They are production well made, somewhat modernized Stg44 rifles in 8mm Kurz, 7.62×39, .300 Blackout, and 5.56 with a price tag of 1800. The final preproduction models are at SHOT and they look great!
I purchased a 410 on AR frame from ATI and it was a real piece of junk. Locked up on the first round at the range and would not cycle again EVER! On their behalf, ATI did make good on the gun, but it took forever. I’ll wait for the reviews.
The MP 40 is a 9 M/M no other caliber . The original is very ergonomic and you don’t need the butt stock.Great idea, need more info.
I agree, get rid of the phillips head screws and please make sure it’s not a cheaply built gun as I would pay double for a quality gun, also in .223
Awesome !!!!!!! I’d love to buy one but it would have to have the folding stock which in my opinion should come with it stock and not as an option to buy, as long as it isn’t too expensive. I’m sure it will be because anything that nice that most people would want is ,and having to buy the folding stock as an option would just make it even more expensive than I’m sure it will probably already be !!!!!!! Please make it affordable guys, PLEASE !!!!!!!
With the folding stock it becomes a Short Barreled Rifle and thus subject to a bunch of NFA restrictions. If you live in a jurisdiction where NFA weapons are banned entirely or your Chief Law Enforcement Officer won’t sign off, you wouldn’t be able to buy one at all. Even if you could buy one, you’d then have to deal with registration, a $200 tax stamp, and about nine months of waiting on paperwork to take possession. I personally don’t consider that even remotely worth it for a replica that doesn’t even function the same way as the original.
I don’t understand this. Just recently, the AFT said that the use of a forearm brace as a shoulder stock “redesigns” the brace into a stock, making the weapon an SBR (and illegal without the NFA stamp tax and registration). Here’s a pistol/handgun, that according to ATF regulations, is a weapon made to be used with one hand (which is why you can’t legally put a vertical foregrip on a handgun). If people shoot this gun with two hands, one on the grip and the other on the magazine well, are they “redesigning” it such that its use in that manner is illegal? (Certainly the folks at ATF have seen enough WWII movies to know that this weapon was designed to be both fired from the shoulder and held with two hands – even when not fired from the shoulder. It’s called a “machine pistol” because of its caliber, but it is effectively a carbine – by design – with a folding stock, not dissimilar to the US M1 carbine.)
Of course, this is ridiculous. The idea that the use of an item in a way other than that which it was intended “redesigns” it is pernicious nonsense. If I put an illegal foregrip on a handgun, but only use it as a monopod when shooting prone, have I “redesigned” it such that it is now legal? I’m sure the ATF would beg to differ. But why wouldn’t the concept of “redesign” work both ways? It doesn’t work both ways just because the ATF will say it doesn’t? Utter nonsense. If a legal product can be “redesigned” such that it is made illegal, then logically and illegal product can be “redesigned” such that it becomes legal. The concept that a device or accessory can be “redesigned” by its use is fatally flawed for this reason.
Looks nice. But too big for a pistol! I would rather have a 22 version cheaper to shoot! I like to aim with sights not point n shoot!
I hope they make a lot of them as they are going to sell like hotcakes. Especially with a low price point. I expect they will sell on the auction sites at a much higher price then the MSRP. At least to start with. Good job.
Knowing our German friends-this will be a winner and manufactured to high standards. Hopefully we’re looking at a semi auto so street level Joes can get one without a govt. enema.
Now if they would back up and come out with their STG 44 in 7.62X39 as has been suggested, they would fly off the shelf! You wouldn’t need a federal tax stamp for the STG. Are you listening ATI??
Oh yeah, and Iwould buy the MP 40 in 9mm in the pistol configuration and be willing to drop the $200 for a federal tax stamp. Not if it had the dumb-looking barrel extension like the .22 LR version though.
Now if they would back up and come out with their STG 44 in 7.62X39 as has been suggested, they would fly off the shelf! You wouldn’t need a federal tax stamp for the STG. Are you listening ATI??
I just red on another web site that is gun is coming in too. Its 5,000 dollars. It should not cost anymore than what an AK would but they did not tool up to mass produce it. A few will be made for the rich and foolish.
I forgot to say this gun is in the original WWII German 8mm short round.
Im in. Just make that stupid fedguv abortion on the end removable so that if we deside to be ripped off the $200 to keep us safe from non stupid looking weapons, we can.
NO! The safety has go to go…make it a usable safety since you are already deviating from the original.
But…I’ve always had a soft spot for an MP40, so, yeah…I’d buy one.
You actually have a second safety on the gun slide the bolt back into the slot at the rear and above the charging slot and the spring tension will hold it in place and it can’t be fired. That is the manual safety the mechanical safety is that nob on the bottom and that nob is also the takedown nob as well to remove the FCG from the body of the gun.
This could be like manna from Heaven for WWll German re-enactors. If it’s a straight blow back action, it should be capable of firing blanks with very minor work. I converted a Polish made PPSH 43 to work with blanks or live ammo, but most unit frown on using “captured weapons”.
B. Scott, I remember those days of using captured weapons as a re-enactor. Carried a Garand from time to time either alone or with the MG-34 that was issued to me, along with either a Nagant or Enfield revolver. Several guys had PPSh-41s, but those were easier times back in the 80s.
I got addicted to the MP-40 back then; using it in live and blank-adapted mode. It’s a fun gun. I would be interested in this if it’s affordable, though the previous points of the authentic look are of a concern.
Nice piece of art. I hope for two things, no plastic as in my HK MP5 SD and hopefully the 9mm will function better than the 22 cal versions of your rifles. Price point is good and I agree with the others the cost of the mags will either be a reason for me to purchase the weapon or not…….too pricey and you lost the reason for putting the MP 40 into the marketplace.
In the USA we like our mags and lots of them.
“In the USA we like our mags and lots of them.”
As a “damn, ammo’s on sale, better get some and buy more mags to hold it” kinda guy, you made my day. đŸ™‚
And even though I promised myself I have enough guns, that was before this came along, y’see. As a WWII buff, it gave me such a chubby I’ll have to put it on the list.
Cautiously optimistic as we have seen many a Shot Show hopefuls not really execute on delivery. Crossing fingers on it being done correctly and available in ’15 vs ’16.
Yeaaaaaaaaaay! Hooray, finally an mp40, in 9mm. Now they need to do the same with the stg44 maybe something affordable like m1 carbine caliber
Perhaps in a more common caliber, like 7.62X39, so ammo would hopefully be available.
?? 9mm is still one of the most common calibers in the world!
I think he’s referring to the STG 44. It would make more sense to have the STG 44 and 7.62 by 39 rather than 22lr anything else because the original cartridge was very similar to the 7.62 X 39.
I was hoping for .300 BLK, it’s, common enough and has similar dimensions to the 7.92 Kurz
I vote for 7.62×39 as well. Very close to original 7.92mm
.308 NATO, and 300 Blackout as a special; oder might get some traction.
Barrels would all be the same, rifling should be std.
Chambers would have to be slightly different unless the used sleeves, like the M1 Garand, 30.06 to .308 NATO.
Yes! Pistol version in 9mm with SBR option is a lock. I would have gone for it in 22 (and been a little disappointed). 9 adds authenticity. This is better than I expected.
Get rid of the phillips head screws. The mag housing and bakelite lower should not show any visible screw heads. Let alone phillips ones.. I would buy one, but if these come with a ridiculous barrel extension, or plasticky look or any type of powder coat finish. Nope.
Get rid of the phillips head screws. The mag hoising and bakelite lower should not show any visible screw heads. Let alone phillips ones.. I would buy one, but if these come with a ridiculous barrel extension, or plasticky look or any type of powder coat finish. Nope.
Oh boy. Stock for sure but what a cool gun
Looks good. Looking forward to the reviews as well. When and where will they be available to the public if they are not already?
I like it!
I will wait for the reviews but I like what is presented so far. PLEASE don’t screw it up with a pined or fake suppressor to make min rifle length reg. Pistol version is good to go! Hopefully mags will be reasonable. $50 a pop would be a show stopper for me. Fun factor is ripping through the sticks. Reloading one $90 mag is not.
I think STEN mags fit them, they’re dirt cheap if you know where to look.
Yes Sten Clips do work in a MP40. Not sure about this GSG version though. I used to have a real MP40, I loved it.
no sten gun mags do not work in MP40s, not even close. Sten mags and MP28 mags are the same, but do not fit in MP40s
Is the MP-40 9mm and .22lr made completely in Germany?
Yes 100% German made I have the stg 44 and love it