An Oklahoma man is claiming that his Second Amendment rights were violated after federal agents confiscated his firearms earlier this year.
Derek Lamont Alexander Jr., 29, of Tulsa told The Oklahoman in a recent interview that a post on social media, critical of President Trump, precipitated the visit from the feds on June 18.
“It’s completely not fair,” said Alexander. “They violated my rights. … I shouldn’t have even opened the door since they didn’t have a warrant.”
Alexander posted a cartoon image of Trump in a casket (see above) with the caption, “One million tickets sold and the Simpson’s have never been wrong” to Facebook.
The young man believes this image is what caught the attention of the Secret Service and the FBI.
“That’s what they told me. That’s exactly what they told me,” he said. “They were like, ‘Well, you could see how we could perceive it as a threat.’ I’m like, ‘It’s a cartoon that I didn’t draw.'”
The image is an internet fabrication that never appeared on the popular animated sitcom. As for Alexander’s caption, he says it was in reference to a Trump rally in the city that some argued would lead to the spread of COVID-19.
Alexander brushed it all off as a joke, saying that he likes to “make fun of everything.”
“I like to troll people on the internet,” he added. “I don’t have nothing against the guy personally.”
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Clearly, the government didn’t see it that way.
Complicating matters for Alexander is that he had outstanding warrants in Bell County, Texas for tampering with a government record, giving false ID information, and resisting arrest.
The warrants, from 2012, were a result of him trying to purchase alcohol while under the legal age of 21, according to Alexander.
“All it was was because I wanted alcohol. That was it. I’m not a bad person,” he said.
The government tells a slightly different story in that Alexander was initially a target because he was carrying firearms at a Black Lives Matter protest.
“Alexander was seen with a group of people walking down Peoria Ave in Tulsa, Oklahoma carrying firearms,” the special agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wrote in a court affidavit.
The footage from the protest Alexander live-streamed to Facebook.
When members from the Secret Service, the ATF and a Tulsa police officer showed up at his door on June 18th, they seized two pistols, three magazines and 57 rounds of ammunition along with some marijuana.
Alexander was told “that he needed to get his warrants taken care of … and that under federal law marijuana is still a prohibited substance,” per the affidavit obtained by The Oklahoman.
GunsAmerica reached out to the ATF in an effort to get more information on the incident as well as a copy of the affidavit. We will update the article when we know more about the circumstances surrounding the seizure of Alexander’s firearms.
He needs a few fed felony charges to go with his properly confiscated weapons.
Fugitive in possesion, check the 4473s for false statements and there might be a thing they can charge based on the dope possession and guns.
People wanna scream about …PROPERTY….over people….f@#k you and your property..And until people are more IMPORTANT than property…property is gonna burn….freedom and equality ,peace and justice is more important than ANY FU@#IN property that could EVER be built or burned..so stop the stupid excuses of “ riots and burning” Of superficial Objects .. As a reason for speaking out against…people is what matters…and it can’t be all people…until black and people of color are actually included in the conversation…hell remember when white people decided to riot…1861…..read history..learn …adapt…evolve
Maybe you should read the US constitution. There’s a part in mthere about PROPERTY. You do realize property requires work to have property. Which equates to ones life. We used to hang horse thieves & cattle rustlers. Try messing with my property. I worked hard for what I have. I bet you’re a welfare case.
You guys wanna focus on bs BLM ..and so called …”riots”…words like antifa ..try to imagine for one moment …being oppressed….your whole life in so many ways…with history’s eyes closing on you…because your not writing it…it doesn’t matter if it’s here or any other part of the world..any and all suppression and oppression and unequality is evil whether you believe it oR not…what would you do ?..any people can only take so much…there is a reason ..150+ years after civil war this battle is still being fought…it’s never been finished..it’s imbedded and we are blind..we over look it.. because it’s not ..”US”…even in this kids instance…his rights are being violated because of ideology or color…or both…but I digress..GRAB M BY THE PU$$Y !
Boo hoo, loser.
Does Oklahoma have a Red Flag law? This is exactly the type of incident one can expect under these unconstitutional laws.
Most likely if he takes care of his outstanding warrants and works w/the police/prosecutor re: prior and current charges he should be able to get his firearms back, provided he’s felony free. No big. It will just take some time and a bit of out of pocket money for any fines, etc.
This isn’t a big deal. He threw himself onto the national stage, drew attention to himself. The police did their research on him in response to what they thought might be a threat, realized he had felonies and owned firearms so they did their job. Pro-active law enforcement.
Moral of story? Don’t draw attention to yourself if you have warrants on you. Take care of the warrants then exercise your right to free speech, etc. Or, don’t take care of your outstanding warrants. get arrested and exercise your rights to free speech froma jail cell.
Simple stuff there
Hahahahahaha…. What an Idiot!!
Every BLM, ANTIFA POS should have their house raided and be disarmed because they are Terrorist and they Hate America.
On that same note, Every Democrat should have their house raided and be disarmed because they Hate America.
The statute of limitations have run out on the charges they mention as they are between 3 and 5 years . The cartoon and likely his comments on line are what got him the attention , more attention than he was hoping for .. Guy admits he likes to troll so now he’ll be trolling unarmed .. They have a lot of leeway when it comes to threats to the president etc add in the drugs and it might be never before he sees his guns again ….
Pretty sure statute of limitations is seven years. Not sure off that helps him, but sure it’s seven years for I think any crime committed except murder and maybe rape. Never heard three or five years before, but you could be right!
Statutes of Limitations are irrelevant once the warrant is issued. As long as the State has filed a case and the judge has found probable cause to issue the warrant, all statutes of limitations are tolled. If the case was filed in time, it doesn’t matter how long the guy hides. The long arm of the law can still grab him when he pops his head up to breathe. Now, some states will pull the warrants after a period of time, but I am unaware of any jurisdiction that puts a legislative restriction on how long the warrant can toll a statute of limitation.
Semi-literate ‘people of color’ parasites such as Alexander are the looters and 50% of BLM.
Am I missing something? What does “One million tickets sold and the Simpsons have never been wrong” even mean? One million tickets sold to what? The Simpsons have never been wrong…..about what? The post doesn’t even make sense. What a moron for even posting this nonsensical drivel in the first place and drawing attention to himself when he has outstanding warrants? And if you have weed in your house, you just lost your ability to have firearms under Federal law……period! If he has warrants, he should be in jail until they are dealt with….period! This guy’s an idiot.
The reference is to selling tickets to President Trumps funeral. AKA – A veiled threat against the President of the United States.
It is pretty stupid. You can get in the same trouble if you jokingly say that a sitting member of Congress, the Senate or the President should be shot. All it takes is for somebody to not like you or disagree with your politics and you could land yourself in jail and your guns removed.
Sounds to me like because he was witnessed at a BLM protest…the spying crooked feds..aka general Fred flint stone….attorney crook investigated him ( remember which is what they said they would do to the protesters !) And found some garbage in his past ! Lol..and just think..he didn’t even have to get caught talking and meeting with Russian spies to get looked at ! JUST A MOTHER F@$in cartoon !what do you expect from the fascist and racist Good ole boy club 😂🤣😂🤣
Bones , this guy is as stupid as one can get. That said you try and defend a clown like this says even more about yourself. You and the left say things that have no credibility all the time. What type of people wake up every day knowing the have a warrant for their arrest. What type of person is he to not show up for court to have the warrant issued to begin with. And what crimes did he commit to have charges . Then this clown runs his mouth , talking about things he fails to validate anyway, then gets caught with weed and guns. This guy is a typical inner city thug, probably no job, committing crimes , that’s obvious. So now we’re supposed to act like this guys 2a was violated. The 2A is so very important so that citizens who don’t have warrants, can protect themselves from punks like this. You have it backwards smart guy.
Lol..he’s still a citizen with rights,no?…anyway…let’s test your analysis…did he kill anyone like rittenhouse you defend ? nope…he posted a f@#kin cartoon !….that wasn’t his ! His crimes are incomparable in scope to your fake president crimes… who’s balls you lick !…history will show who the REAL mother f@#kin criminal is ! You fools enable a character a lot more dangerous than this MF could ever be…you yet you continue cuz it fits your narrative,your fears !
So, let’s see…he has warrants in Texas that include resisting arrest, he attended a Black Lives Matter “protest” and brought a firearm, he posted a threatening image against the president of the United States…if this isn’t enough to suspend his 2A rights, what would be?
While I agree that he is an idiot. He still has 2A rights. The removal of said rights goes against the constitution until such time as he is convicted of the crime and sentenced.
2A is either for all of us or for none of us.
What he does with his rights determines whether he goes to prison or not.
I don’t want idiots running around with guns as much as the next guy.
I also don’t want somebody doing drugs or drinking and running around with guns. It’s just a bad mix.
But, rights are rights. And they apply to all.
Some of you confuse the crap out of me.
Are you got or against 2A?
You can NOT be both FOR 2A and saying this guy deserves to lose his rights and guns.
Some of you have no idea how NOT to be hypocritical, and it shows.
Jeremy, why do you intentionally mix things up. They are saying that someone who has warrants, and had a criminal history is not supposed to have 2A rights. Anytime someone fills out the forms for a Gun, it specifically asks are you currently a fugitive, do you have any pending charges. So you smoke marijuana. This BLM supporting loser , checks all those boxes.
I read all these posts, up until this point.
There are people defending him.
As much as I’d like to say, put him away, I know that’s not right.
The Constitution is for all of us, and we should not forget that. That is our rule of law.
Now this is where we are so much better than they are.
We know that like it or not, he has the right to say whatever he wants, and has the right to possess his firearms to defend his other rights.
I don’t like BLM Or ANTIFA because at its core is Marxist and Racist, but here is what they forget, they feel like they have the right to protest and be heard, but Alt Right groups can’t because it’s hate speech. But the truth is, under the Constitution, they both have the right to say what they want to say. Like it or not.
“Alexander was seen with a group of people walking down Peoria Ave in Tulsa, Oklahoma carrying firearms,” the special agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wrote in a court affidavit.
Your in a riot seen with guns. Last time I checked a riot is against the law. They identified and was following his movements. Seen he posted the funeral with Trump then did some more checking and found out he had warrants. I see the visit happening but not the 2A infringement. Last time I checked you are presumed innocent. That is not the way it is anymore thanks to people being to involved with social media. Before 1968 you could order a firearm out of a catalogue and have it shipped to your house even if you were a criminal. Now you are presumed a criminal and have to prove that you are a law abiding citizen by doing a background check that does nothing to stop criminals. It’s about control and tracking who owns what so like this guy they knew what he legally had before they showed up at his door. Convenient. See a problem? I wonder what the forefathers would say if you told them they had to register their firearms. The NFA is unconstitutional period.
Sounds like his guns were confiscated because he is currently a “fugitive of Justice”. Under federal law it is illegal for him to have guns. Once he takes care of his warrants he can pick them up again i bet. He drew attention to himself by matching with terrorists. One less terrorist with a gun as far as I’m concerned. And he still hasn’t taken care of his warrants so he has nothing to complain about.
Invalid argument if they’re misdemeanor warrants. As of now, DV Assault is the only misdemeanor you can lose a constitutional right over. (Thank you 1994 Crime Bill).
A warrant does NOT preclude any citizen from possessing firearms, you are way off.
only a conviction of certain crimes does.
It’s called ‘Presumed innocent until proven guilty’, remember?
And no matter whom the accused, ALL of us MUST insist on the letter of the Law, under ALL circumstances.
IF he was treated illegally, we all benefit from setting it straight.
The sticking point on this one is that once he brought the attention of the law to himself, he did become a felon if he purchased a firearm after the warrants were issued.
On the 4473, if you lie and say your do not have a warrant, then you have committed a felony and lose your 2A Rights.
If you are using marajuana and say your aren’t, you have lied and have committed a felony and lose your 2A Rights.
Even if his previous crimes were misdimeeners, than he now has a felony for lying on the 4473.
Catch 22 at it’s finest.
The reason for the visit is unclear. The article states there was a local official present which tells me one of the reasons could have been his outstanding warrants. With no search warrant he’s right, he shouldn’t have opened the door, but even though he did, they still have no right to enter without his permission. This tells me either he invited them in (which was stupid on his part) or they entered illegally which means he’ll get off on illegal search and seizure. If he gave them permission to enter, once they found the marijuana, he has lost his right to have a firearm. Legal or not in his state it is still a Federal violation, even for medical and recreational use. Question 21e on Federal form 4473 asks if you are addicted to use or possess. if he answered yes he would not have been able to purchase a firearm. If he answered no he would have been guilty of lying on the form and subject to prison time. Either way the guy is an idiot for marching with black lives matter because it seems that black lives only matter when they’re killed by a white guy or a cop, which is minimal compared to those killed by other blacks.
I have no use for the BLM (Black Lives Marxists) organization. But this guy has 1A and 2A rights, both of which are being violated. He may not be a model citizen, but if the shoe were on a right leaning foot, this whole list would be there in support of the guy. We need to stand for rights, EVERYONE’s rights whether we agree with their particular set of politics or not. Otherwise, we are truly headed even further down the road to authoritarianism. Scary times.
You are absolutely right on all counts with one small oversight. BLM stands for Burning Looting Marxists.
Sometimes karma bites the right person in the ass. He is an idiot for everything he has done then broadcasting it on social media. Any and all blm supporters who commit crimes should get the same treatment. He got what was coming to him thru his own recorded behavior. Funny how they always play themselves as the victim.
My guess is they didn’t defund the police fast enough in this case.
If he has warrants he’s an idiot for not addressing them.
I don’t like the government targeting citizens 2nd amendment.
I thought the ganja was supposed to pacify the savage beast. What’s going wrong?
Interesting conflict of circumstances in this situation. ATF overreach and public hate statement. I guess it would have been a better idea to keep your opinions to yourself and avoid the hassle to begin with. Public statements have consequences in the real world and in this politically charged climate. But, there is a 1st Amendment consideration here also. Glad I’m not on the jury. 😉
Karma….
The gift that just keeps on giving! This idiot just fuels the fire on gun control. It just makes it harder for the law abiding gun owners that mind their own business and don’t do stupid crap like this…
“What a maroon!” -Bugs Bunny.
Just another cartoon he did not draw.
Now he can post a cartoon of himself being corn-holed in the jail’s shower room, with the caption “STILL AIN’T LEARNED SHIT!”
The ATF, by its unconstitutional existence, fouls up any legitimate investigation.
The feds shouldn’t be enforcing state warrants. The secret service should invest anything perceived as a threat until they determine no harm is intended, or the person actually has plans to hurt the president.
That’s why they had a local gendarme with them. Outstanding warrants, federal investigators seeking information. Yeah the local officer(s) most likely effected the initial arrest (warrant-s). The feds chatted with him after the arrest and did their job. No doubt Miranda was involved as necessary. Knock and talks can lead to arrests as well. Any officer has a right to conduct a knock and talk. If they knock on the door and no one opens it then they usually leave a card… sometimes not… depending on the circumstances. If the fellow opens the door and agrees to talk then usual, everyday questions are asked. If the discussion starts heading to incrimination then Miranda is read. If Miranda is invoked then questioning re: to the incident ceases. If after advising Miranda and it isn’t invoked then questioning may continue. If plain view crime occurs then an arrest may be made re: that particular crime.
If there’s any “excited utterances” made by the subject that could incriminate them then those excited utterances may be used against them regardless of Miranda.
And that’s just a piece of the pie. But, I’m pretty sure the locals dod their part to secure a legal arrest. The feds? Eh, quite often they defer to the locals for the arrest then they’ll “address” their charges with the fellow that was arrested on their own terms.
I’ll put money on the fact that the feds let the locals effect the warrant arrest(s) then, possibly still at the home the feds interviewed him (post miranda) and got enough info to follow up on things. Could have possibly had a search warrant for the firearms as well which, if so makes the feds a primary piece of the arrest procedure. Local being a secondary for backup and/or service of the local warrants.
But, there’s all sorts of variables that could play out here. The feds did the right thing if they used the locals to gain access to their person of interest… and it was most likely low risk service.
All of this IMHO of course. It’s also a sketch of the wole picture. The contact and reaction pretty much lead the folks to the next appropriate response… or so we hope.
I know there’ll be some blowback here from folks but hey, I’ve done that shat for 40 yrs. Retired now. I’m still here. Everyone else who did it with me is still here unless natural death intervened… I’m just telling it like it was, like we did it. But I didbleave the boring, legal shat out (affiant, affidavit, warrants, subpoenaes, plain view, knock and talk, excited utterances, search warranrs, arrest warrants and oh-so-much-more). This was back in the good ol’ pre-meth and meth lab days coupled with all of the other crimes.
Bottom line? In the public’s eyes the cops never do it right and don’t have a right to do what they’re doing, unless you’re the victim. IMHO
FWIW.
He is idiot.
This reprobate got what he deserved . The facts that he’s part of the BLM movement whose parent organization was founded by Marxists (and that’s a fact!) makes this guy a POS and a moron.
Funny how karma works and now he is crying
He thinks he’s not a bad person? Here’s a clue sport, If you wish death on another human being or think it’s funny to see your president in a casket you ARE a bad person…The kind that doesn’t deserve your 2A rights..
He fortunately didn’t run into Rittenhouse. Didn’t he swear off marijuana when he purchased the firearms? I do when I purchase a firearm.
If I’m not mistaken, you can legally possess personal quantities of marijuana in Oklahoma.
Marijuana is still illegal under federal law. Every state that has made it “legal” is actually breaking federal law. Feds can still bust you for it.
It still asks on Form 4473 if you use any illegal drugs, and if you answer yes, the dealer must refuse to sell you the firearm. If you say “no” and do use drugs, then you’ve broken federal law.
Which is still against federal law as maryjane is a prohitided substance.
Fed Form 4473 strictly prohibits any drug use penalty for lying on 4473 5 years and $250,000
Hollywood personalities have made direct threats to kill President Trump with no apparent actions by authorities. Even though I don’t agree with this man Alexander his rights may have been violated judging from what I read in this article. People need to be very careful what they post because it will be used against you.
There are so many things wrong with this story. 1st, did they know about his outstanding warrants before the arrest? 2nd, I’d so, why didn’t they have a warrant? 3rd, if no warrant existed, then all evidence gathered after they entered, is fruit of the poisonous tree and therefore inadmissible. The ATF and knocking on someone’s door because of a cartoon post and participation in a rally is BS of the highest order. Now having said all of that, this guy is an idiot. He should have taken care of his warrants regardless of how minor they were. He was also in possession of marijuana. However it is my understanding that it is legal in Oklahoma under certain conditions. There’s just too much information missing from this story.
Not so fast cowboy. Read question 21e on the federal form 4473. It states “Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medical or recreational purposes in the state where you reside”
The only thing missing is your lack of knowledge on the law and investigative procedures. He was investigated after being observed carrying firearms in public at a BLM event. When they identified him they would have run a CCH (Complete Criminal History) and his outstanding warrants from Texas would show. They did not need a warrant to attempt to locate him and do a knock and talk. Once he was located and they (Secret Service, the ATF and Tulsa Police) were in contact with him and verified his identity, they did not need a warrant to arrest him for the 2 outstanding misdemeanor and the felony warrant he had on him from Texas. Tampering with a governmental record is a felony under Texas Revised Statute 37.10 Subsequent to arrest they had the lawful right to enter the property to secure it and to remove any firearms from his possession. Regardless of whether the State of Oklahoma allows the possession or use of marijuana, Federal Law supersedes it and marijuana is still a Federal Schedule 1 drug. If he purchased the firearms from an FFL dealer and completed the required Form 4473, then he also committed a Federal Offense by lying on the form. Read question 21(d) “Are you a fugitive from justice”, if he had answered this question affirmatively the transaction would have been denied. They did not use a “Red Flag” law to confiscate his firearms, they did so due to his being wanted for a felony warrant. There is no 1st Amendment or 2nd Amendment rights violation here.
Well stated and very factual, unlike the emotional drivel written by some here. I am a 32 year, currently retired sheriff, and that’s how I read it too.
Bingo! We have a winner! Finally, someone posts with the simple facts! Not just “opinion” mixed in with a smattering of fact! Thanks ‘AmericanVet’, your post is a welcome sight and read too!
This reinforced my thinking logic as to what I put together from the article.
We have so much freedom.
When someone can’t be tied to the any real solid ground, this is what happens.
Life is at best a gaussian curve. That means there are a few of these dummies amongst the 300 plus million living here.
If he decided to try and make a quick getaway, than the fruit of the poisonous tree no longer stands. Once he opened the door, if he tried to escape and they had to chase him into the house, they are than able to perform the search.
Now, as for the marajuana, if he was not smoking pot during the time frame he purchased the firearms, he may be clear on that question. That is a really tough one to prove.
However, if the warrants were issued before he purchased firearms, than he committed a felony by attempting to purchase a firearm and lied on his form when he said no to being a fugitive.
Catch 22.
Any government agency with the despotic, unconstitutional power to take a Biden-supporter’s firearms for exercising political speech is a government agency which can take a Trump supporters’ firearms using that same despotic, unconstitutional power.
10-4, you coming thru loud and clear!! Keep spreading the word!!!!
This is a clear violation of his freedom of speech and RTKBA, rights recognized (and supposedly guaranteed) under Amendment I and Amendment II.
Disband the federal government alphabet agencies and their terrorist organization bureaucrats.
They are they evil which are continuing to destroy this Constitutional Republic. Just ask the handful of survivors from Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Smells of Islamist killing people over cartoons of allah . Unless there is much more to the story that isn’t being told.
Poor Baby, they are always innocent
“they”?
As much as I don’t like blm getting armed up… this is the USA. Give him his guns back!
This guy is a CRIMINAL! Warrants ? Weed which I’m not against, but it’s clearly stated you can not have it with a firearm. The second amendment means even more against punks like this, because for those who don’t walk around with warrants all day earn the right . If someone gets multiple DUIs and is waiting for another trial on another one , should they be driving in the mean time.
This is BS, give the man his guns back. Was the meme in bad taste? Yup! Should he lose his 2ndA rights over it? No. A resounding NO!
May be splitting hairs a bit – real close shave here – but I tend to think that the ATF made the right call on this one! And I don’t often agree with them! But this case has all the appearances of someone getting primed for bad-news! Working himself up to bigger trouble! If he gets-away with the small cases – nothing happens, no cost for bad actions – he seems like he is prepping for something bigger! Let him prove in court that he means no harm! The burden-of-proof is on him. IMO
Guilty until proven innocent?? Just the atmosphere we need in the next autocratic regime’nnnn