(Editor’s note: This article was a submission from freelance writer Mike Doran)
Democrats in Washington D.C. are asking President Obama to use executive action to close the so-called “gun-show loophole.”
Ninety-six representatives and 24 senators signed separate letters with the same message addressed to the president urging him to “investigate and pursue all available options under your executive authority to reduce gun violence,” reads the senate letter.
The purported loophole allows the private sale of firearms without a background check by those not “engaged in the business” with only licensed gun dealers required by law to perform the checks.
Specifically, the Democrats want the administration to provide clearer and broader language about who must administer background checks when selling a firearm.
“Updating the definition of ‘engaged in the business’ to provide more explicit guidance as to which gun sellers are required to obtain a federal firearms license would not impact a father giving a gun to his son, or an individual selling his gun on the internet,” the Senate letter reads. “But it will help ensure that individuals are not able to continue to exploit ambiguity in the current regulation and sell guns at a high volume without any oversight by ATF and without conducting background checks.”
The effort, led by Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Rep. Mike Thompson of California, echoes Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton’s pledge to use executive authority to close the loophole.
The language of the letters may be especially worrisome to gun rights advocates, with the House document urging the administration to act regardless of the elected officials who oppose tighter restrictions on the sale of firearms.
“In the face of Congressional inaction, your administration could take an immediate step that would have an important impact on limiting gun violence,” states the letter.
The senate letter goes even further, boldly stating the true intent of the action:
“This change would be a positive step forward in achieving universal background checks, a policy change that roughly 90 percent of Americans support.”
The Huffington Post notes that Obama has used his executive authority before, having signed 23 executive actions on gun control after the massacre at Sandy Hook. However, the administration argues, there is only so much Obama can do on his own.
White House press secretary Josh Earnest said earlier this month that he’s not sure if Clinton’s proposal is actually feasible.
“I’m not sure that the administration has conducted a legal analysis of their specific proposals,” Earnest said during a Nov. 3 briefing. “But what the administration is doing, at the direction of the president, is actually carefully considering what authorities are available to the president and looking to see if there are some additional steps that can be taken to prevent criminals … from getting their hands on a gun so easily.”
What do you think? Will Obama attempt to redefine the language of “engaged in the business” via executive order? Will the president take the next step on the path toward universal background checks?
Isn’t it interesting that the ruling class never has to explain just how their schemes will achieve ANY effective results? It must be great to be in a career where problem creation is the measure of success– not problem solving.
Time to stop thinking of gun control as a dumbacratic issue only. Retardicans are also guilty of infringing upon our constitutional rights. Even the NRA has failed by characterizing open carry as not normal when in fact the SCOTUS has already ruled that the 2nd/A protects open carry.
The SCOTUS has also already ruled that the “regulation” of firearms sales by states is not a violation of the 2nd/A. As another commented government ratchets down on freedom and rarely releases. In other words it is easy to pass a bad law and near impossible to remove a bad law. As citizens we are obligated to follow the law of the land. This is not to suggest we should not question and challenge. My hope is that SCOTUS begins to challenge the state laws as unconstitutional. This idea is not gaining any mmomentum since SCOTUS to date has not ruled and has chosen not to hear those arguments until such time that the laws are overly enforced / abused. This is based on a recent decision by SCOTUS not to hear arguments regarding the city of San Francisco’s law requiring people to lockup firearms in their own house.
The part that kills us law abiding citizens is access to the courts and making sure we get equally capable legal representation. Unfortunately the law is as much politics as it is supposed to be doing what is right for the citizens. Our suposidly best advocate the NRA is so imbedded in the retardican party that I personally do not trust them. We all known that the majority of representatives do not represent anything but themselves. The idea that ACLU might start to really pay attention to 2nd/A infringement is encouraging.
While I like many others here think that at least one mass shooting is pure propaganda and that all others are used as propaganda for infringement upon the 2nd/A, that type of politicizing will go over the average citizens head. Not a good outcome and self awareness has to be learned. Very few of us, if any, possess the skill to teach others how to be more aware.
Best thing any citizen can do now to protect our rights is to actually own a gun. Be smart and talk to one person a day as an intelligent advocate.
If some politician would come up with a way to stop criminals from gaining access to firearms, I would be willing to have a conversation but every argument they have is only meant to restrict access to law abidding citizens. Stop making stupid suggestions to impress ignorant voters. Left wingers want gun control-end of story.
How about the government focus on MENTAL HEALTH CARE for crazed individuals instead of attempting to take guns from law abiding citizens? Obviously, mass killers are mentally deranged, yet the government has NO PLAN NOR PLACE for these people to be institutionalized?
The government is Not going to do anything about mental health, if they did they would all be out of a job!
Making new laws will not diminish the amount of guns in criminal hands . Criminals do not care about any laws ! The only people they are harassing are the people who actually try to abide by the law , not any criminals ! If these so called intelligent
people haven’t figured this out by now . they should all be voted out and sent home to learn about real life . Let them try to get a real job for a change !
While there is no doubt that many in the govt, especially some of the Dems, plan to eventually get the guns but they know they can’t do it all at once, so they will take one step at a time, while they continue to use the media to persuade the masses that they will be safer when only the govt has guns. Anyone with half a brain knows this and also knows what eventually happens once only the govt has guns. History repeats itself and that is very unfortunate. Now for the part that will generate hate mail. While I can hardly believe that the govt is actually proposing something (although their motives are not good “already stated above”), that kind of makes sense, as I have watched individuals buy and sell large volumes of firearms who don’t have an FFL. And they are using the “private collection” language to work around it. And while I don’t have a dog in that part of the fight, however, why should individuals go through the process to get an FFL and do all the paperwork, etc. and there are folks buying and selling without doing it? I like being able to buy and sell some of my private collection, but these folks absolutely aren’t selling their private collect. They are buying and selling as a side business and that is not what suppose to be happening. And as it always happens, those who abuse the system, screw it up for us all. And while this step will help cut that down some doing this, and maybe reduce the chances of someone buying who shouldn’t, we all know that they will just get one some other way. Black market, steal it, etc. The fact is, criminals don’t follow laws “duh”!
These ones that sent the letter did so because they know that they cannot get it passed the legal way ie. through Congress itself. That pretty much shows that it is not needed nor wanted. Also they have lied so long about the number of Americans ” wanting ” more gun control I believe that they now actually believe their own lies. I read an article where they had gone to different prisons and ask the criminals that were in for different felonies where they had gotten their illegal guns and each and everyone said either by breaking and entering and stealing the firearm or buying it on the street from another criminal that had stolen it. Two simple steps would stop the majority of crimes committed with firearms. One is to enforce the laws that we already have and the second is to STOP any and all PLEA BARGAINING period. Just by doing these two simple things would cause a big drop in crimes committed with guns. Make the sentences long enough that would make any criminal simply choose NOT to buy nor use a gun in their commission of their crimes. When a criminal knows his lawyer can PLEA BARGAIN his charge as well as his sentence down to basically nothing ie. a fine and or community service he will continue to pursue his life of crime. The two items I mentioned are extremely simple but therein lies the problem as anything simple will be made very complex by the politicians as well as a lot of people losing large amounts of money because crime pays by employing more LEO’s, lawyers, judges, prisons, and anything else that money can be made from the crimes and criminals. Sad but true
There is no such thing as “The Gun Show Loophole”. Read the Oct American Rifleman, “Standing Guard, Existing Laws” and you will understand that under Federal Statutes already on the books any Seller who knowingly sells to a prohibited possessor or a firearm Buyer who is a prohibited possessor has committed numerous Felonies. If in doubt, check US Code Title 18, Firearms Sec. 922 A
The Federal government has failed to prosecute and deferred to local jurisdictions except in the highest profile cases. One can only assume that it is not so much as a States Rights issue as much as it is “not on my budget” issue. So, don’t let anyone tell you that there is a gun show loophole.
It is time for the democrat party to admit who they are and change the party’s name to the Marxist party.
Karl would be proud.
I find it fascinating that members of Congress are urging the President to go around them as the legislative body in this country and enact laws not passed by that entity. Somehow, that smacks of complete and actual stupidity. They may think it’s neato/keeno to urge that for their pet project, but what’s to happen when the shoe is on the other foot and we have a Republican President and he does what Obama is doing, i.e. violating his oath of office to protect and defend the constitution. That’s the problem with liberals. They go for the expedient over the calmly rationed approach. If it fits their agenda, then it has to be enacted RIGHT NOW!. That’s not the basis of our representative republic’s founding. But they don’t care as long as they can whine loud enought to get their way.
Another day another way the Democrats find a way to screw the small businessman/woman. Gun dealers and owners attend these gun shows to sell there wares. They for the most part are honest, hardworking, every day Americans just trying to make a buck. While the Democrats portray them as the Evil gun show purveyors of death and destruction. I’ll bet these idiot Democrats have never gone to a gun show or for that matter even seen a real gun. But all they want to do is mess with peoples lively hood. Making it ever more expensive and difficult for these people to stay in business. While setting up another level of unnecessary bureaucratic restrictions…
Man do I despise these idiot Democrats!! I have a couple ideas have Obama sign a executive mandates to remove the Illegals from our nation, and Get Americans working again….
yet in florida this past week it was two republicans that voted against us. they sided with dems in keeping our freedoms in jeopardy. gun free zones remain and open carry was taken away by republicans from miami….. we need a new system period. dems and republicans no more. AMERICANS IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION is what we now need….
What gun show “loop hole”? All ATF licensed dealers are required to do background checks whether they sell from their shop, a gun show or out of the car trunk. What rankles the liberals are the private parties and collector “not engaged in the business of selling firearms” selling their personal guns at a gun show. This is just a fancy way of getting the camels nose under the tent in regulating all transfer of firearms between private parties and private parties + licensed ATF dealers, which is in direct contravention to “shall make no law…” directive in the 2nd amendment regarding the right to keep and bear arms. The “spontaneous and unsolicited” letter by a paltry handful of liberal senators and congressmen to an unsuspecting president is designed to create a hoax of the existence of a”loop hole” that doesn’t exist and the problem they see is to prevent the creation of new gun owners who come into being by buying a gun from a private citizen without their permission.
It’s the first amendment that says Congress shall pass no law etc. The second amendment is much more absolute in that nobody is allowed to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms. It means exactly what it says.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Requiring a permit is an infringement. Forbidding certain types of weapons is an infringement. Barring weapons from certain areas is an infringement. The Second Amendment IS my concealed carry permit.
Has anyone noticed that ISIS only picks on citizens of countries where there are either no weapons (guns for all of you non-veterans) available but where most folks have a rifle, shotgun or pistol available they aren’t there. Well, if this liberal so called President would have his way, America too would soon become an ISIS paradise.
If these morons really want to put an end to 75% of gun crimes ban black people. Or go to every city where blacks make up the majority, like Chicago, and put out free guns and free ammo, all they can use. Black on black killings will spike up 1000 fold. The black population will drop dramatically AND SO WILL CRIME.
I believe that most anybody can go to a gun show and buy a fire arm from an individual and take it with them, if they buy from a dealer at the show the dealer will have to do a background check, I believe that is the loop hole they are talking about.
I am a FFL Dealer and Duty Disabled/Retired Policeman. I have sold at Gun Shows and TOTALLY AGREE that there should be some kind of background check for ANYONE buying a firearm for the protection of the Seller as well as the public. I HAVE REFUSED TO SELL TO MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT BEHAVED THE SAME WAY AS THE OVER 2000 SHOOTHEADS I LOCKED UP IN MY CAREER! The first CLUE is when a person is told they have to fill out the form to transfer they claim “they dont want the government knowing their business!”….which is TOTAL BS, especially if their born in the U.S. and already have a Social Security card or Drivers license!!! THE REAL REASON IS THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN ARRESTED AND/OR ALREADY KNOW “THEY WOULD NOT PASS ANY BACKGROUND CHECK!”
Hey Mark, What does being ‘born in the U.S. and already having a SS # and Driver’s license’ have to do with NOT Wanting the Government to know your business, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE PURCHASES? Just because we have those, do we automatically give up our 2nd and 4th amendment guarantees?
You must have been on the job too long? Which was long enough to make you develope ‘police state’ tendencies putting you in the with ‘Them’ in the ‘Them against Us’ battle. I’m a LEO and haven’t bought a gun on a 4473 in Ten years. I prefer private transactions. Because I refuse to be a contributor to the slippery slope of eroding our Constitutional right to private property purchases. Because It’s stupid because people who want to use guns criminally will get them from the infinite store of guns already in private hands, one way or another. I don’t like to be ‘stupid’. And It’s not just guns. There’s a parallel effort to ‘register’ if you like, ALL property eventually with records of ALL purchases big or small. Do you know about that? Like the slow creep total gun registration agenda for eventual confiscation and public disarmament, They’re on a parallel underground railroad track coming soon to everyone’s personal ‘station house’. Think about it. It’s right under your nose. You’re likely already contributing to it. When you get the epiphany you’ll have the profound revelation of why it is so desperately important to stop all gun control first.
What many are missing here is that the idea of background check registration and purchase records were originally ONLY supposed to be for commercial business firearm transactions NEVER private party transactions. But before that your local Sears &Robuck stores sold over the counter guns with absolutely no paperwork and no background checks other than your cash and carry store receipt in case you wanted to return it.
So FFL licensing was ALSO part of the great American Gun Confiscation agenda when it was first implemented, and Now, in true slippery slope application, they want it ‘Universally’ in application fpr ALL private exchanges as well! Are we all really that stupid?
The other concept that seems impossible to be ‘grasped’ by so many is that there’s a reality check with being the most Libertarian Free Country in the world. The simple factual truth that in such a country you simply CANNOT control evverybody–especially non-law abiding criminals–as well as countries who do not have such ‘liberties’, to a point where all behavior, thus all crime, can be eliminated.
So you have to take some ‘bad’, with the Good.
Too many people believe that it’s okay to give up some of your precious freedoms for a little more ‘potential’ security. To me, this is the height of weakness and absurdity. America was never built on weakness. We recognized that life was neither safe nor easy. We evaluated our own self respect and value by how well we could handle, survive, and prosper through social and personal adversity because we had the Freedom to make life changing decisions for ourselves. It makes for a higher evolution of the species. We made our own decisions and didn’t rely so much as we do today on a ‘nanny police state’ government.
This type of government has never really been proven to work well in other countries. Especially in a government predisposed to capitalizing on restricting the people for its own avaricious agenda. They all eventually become despotic entities with not many civil ‘rights’ left for the people.
You are right on! I can remember my Grandfather and even my Father ordering firearms through a catalog and those very same firearms being delivered by US mail! So those of you that think our rights haven’t been eroded over the years just haven’t been around long enough to know the truth! Some of those firearms were even made before serial numbers on each one existed, that actually cost extra and many didn’t want to pay for a traceable number on their firearm, even way back then!
As always, Obama targets the law abiding middle class. All the so called “loop hole” closure would accomplish is to drive out the private collectors and exhibitors from gun shows and drive up the cost of collecting and gun ownership for the ordinary American. It won’t save one life.
BTW, not even a quarter of Congress signed letters. That tells us one thing. Three quarters of Americans do not want gun control and the only way Obama & Clinton can get it is DICTATE it!
Take guns from American citizens and allow 10,000 potential terrorists to waltz on in without a background check. Left wing cracked pots led by morons and idiots from CA, NY and Illinois. Go figure. Vote for Hillary, a liar, thief, and inept old fool. Put Bill back in the White House so he can molest more women and squirt all over another blue dress.
So under this action, Grandpa will be required to do a background check (submit many forms, money, wait for government OK, etc) before he may gift his classic .22, he had as a young boy, to his grandson for Christmas morning. And that will reduce crime how again? This Marxist Democrat Party has turned into just that. The leaders are pure evil and the followers are lemmings.
Maybe they would do well to begin to go-after criminals instead of honest and legal citizens; well, if the Marxist Party (Democrats) have their way, there will be no more honest and legal citizens. But what better way to destroy a once great country like the USA? King Obama has achieved a pretty good start; and the Democrat lemmings are sure to follow him off the cliff.
Take it easy Junglebook Larry! If you knew anything about the actual background checks and who gets them, you would be embarrassed. Checks are required for handguns and assault weapons. Your Grandpa’s purchase of a .22 will be free of a check, just like it has always been. Get a grip! It’s obvious you hate this Prez, but you are wrong in context and have never read anything about Marxism. Best to just stay quiet.
You are blind to what they are doing if you think that they will stop with this action. They will keep infringing on our rights more and more and more as quickly as they can get away with it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously mistaken. It’s what they’ve been doing since the first time they used federal money for a local flood about 1857 or so. There’s nothing in the constitution that allows them to do that. There’s nothing in the constitution that allows them to take our money and give it to others either. Their sole job is to prevent invaders and make sure that all the states treat each other equitably.
Mike,
Now I know for sure you’re a left wing troll. “assault weapons” really? Background checks are required for .22’s, shotguns, and everything else that’s considered a modern firearm. Only muzzleloaders are exempt.
Go back to the Daily Kos and Salon where you belong, Lefty.
We only have the illusion of our Constitutional Rights. Since 911 both Bush and Obama have taken away our freedoms. Under the 2012 NDAA’s Sec. 1021, Pres. Obama agreed to give the military the power to arrest and hold Americans without the writ of habeas corpus, although he promised with that year’s signing statement that his administration would not abuse that privilege. Since when do believe a President when he quote “Promises” to do anything. For the most part, they are all a bunch of LIARS. They have a plan to disarm every law abiding American. It is being done ever so slowly. Piece by piece they are chipping away at our ability to own firearms period. Don’t forget Homeland Security bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo back in 2013. At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.
JAY! Finally an Intelligent Critical thinker AND a True PATRIOT
YES, that 1021 was the bad one. It’s a tacit admission that the actually intend to round up American Citizens who openly resist tyranny and put them in internment camps for as long as ‘They’ feel like it. It was planned to fit in with the latest one -escapes me momentarily- that authorizes the Secretary of State Office to ‘administratively’ sanction anyone they subjectively ascertain to be ‘aiding and abetting’ terrorism. Starting with putting them on a no fly list, freezing assets, etc. No Due process at all. Just a State Department Decree!
And yup, don’t forget that the DHS also is in the process of procuring 7000 new very light and compact PDW AR platform 5.56 automatic weapons. LCWR, I believe, has one they’re interested in. Perfect for ‘Urban’ warfare.
So 120 +1 TOTUS & individuals RULE! Infringe ( :to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )
: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person’s rights)… You.
It doesn’t matter what he tries to do – who is going to comply? State by state, gun owners are just refusing to go with the program. They are declining to register, declining to surrender, and continue to openly sell guns on a person to person basis without any paperwork. CT, NY, MD, WA, and last week – the City of Los Angeles. That one was a magazine surrender program mandated by the city government. Last I read there were exactly ZERO magazines surrendered prior to the deadline. Zero!
And 96 Dems who requested that the POTUS circumvent the Constitution and do by fiat what they (Congress) are supposed to do (legislate) but afraid to lose their jobs over? That’s a pretty long ‘target list’, but not unrealistic. Vote them out! Vote in their primaries for any other Dem challenger, because in Congress power comes with seniority – committee chairman seats, e.g., and the new guys will be ‘weaker’ if elected. Then vote Republican in the regular election. You may have to change your registration along the way depending on your state’s voter registration laws, but who cares? It’s a tactical change… not your life.
Most Demcrats are anti gun lovers, I’am making the proposal for everyone to change their political affiliation to Republican. I have been a Democrat for over 40 years and I’am embarrassed by their stupidty . Most Repubicans are pro gun and we need to get more of them in office. This is easy to do and will shock the Democrat party.
SPREAD THE WORD……..
Attaboy, Rick! You’d think it wouldn’t have taken you 40 years , but better late than never. Welcome to the GOP.
I’m sure you’ve heard the addage that “when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them”. That tells us that those bent on committing a crime using a gun, couldn’t care less about the laws against such action. We don’t need more laws for people who obey them; we need better enforcement and stiffer penalties for those who don’t. And we certainly don’t need laws that assure the aggressor that his potential victim isn’t carrying a loaded gun. KEEP ‘EM GUESSING! That, in itself, should help some to reduce the number of daily/nightly assults being committed on this little planet we live on.
Criminals wont buy guns, they wait for you to buy them and then they break in your house and out they go with the guns….The government is using this to disarm us…is just an excuse…
LETS MAKE A DEAL…..If you want to close the so-called “gun-show loophole, then I want my permit to cover every
state, county with no exceptions…..
NO DEALS, Rick, when it comes to the 2nd/A we can’t allow compromise. Compromise is allowing the ‘foot in the door’ of eventually taking your private firearms. The G’s deals are like in Vegas. House has all the odds in their favor. Besides, you can’t deal with Snakes. You’ll always get a poisonous bite no matter what.
TIME to get rid of 96 Congressmen and 24 Senators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUMP 2016
Each of the House members and Senators who are urging the President to take executive action on gun laws should be cited for failure to uphold the Constitution as they have sworn or affirmed they would do. Article I, Section 1. clearly places all legislative power in the hands of Congress. This also means that the President has no power to issue executive orders outside of his own little world.
In a word it is called, “CONTROL” dumBo and his entourage want more governmental control of the masses, so they can exert ever more control over all of us. We are losing more “RIGHTS” all of the time through this government. The Constitution is quite clear. Doesn’t “shall not be infringed” mean anything to these people? The liar-in-thief thinks he has absolute power, and that is essentially what he would be getting if he has his way. He and those of his ilk are power hungry, self-serving sob’s!
“But what the administration is doing, at the direction of the President, is actually carefully considering what authorities are available to the President and looking to see if there are some additional steps that can be taken to prevent criminals (law -abiding citizens) …… from getting their hands on a gun so easily.
It makes a lot more sense to ask him to use his “Executive” power to encourage more cracking down on persons who commit violent criminal acts than to once again go after non-violent citizens engaging in peaceful business or personal transactions. We should pray daily that President Obama is touched by the hand of God and repents his sins and hateful ways and asks God’s forgiveness for them, and act as a proper, God fearing Christian would.
We have sinned in that we have NOT prayed for our leaders as we should. And Christians have for the most part not voted (or run for office) that’s what got us in this mess. I’ve even had Christians tell me we should not be involved in politics! I think it’s a sin NOT to be involved. Paul demanded his rights under Roman law BTW. If Obama wanted to do an executive action that would help he would put restraints on ANY group or system that is in opposition to the Constitution and the Rule of Law! What he’s proposing is that you will not be allowed to sell your personal firearm or even give it to a family member. Has any of these shooting been done with a gun not bought legally? Pretty sure not! VOTE and RUN AND/OR RUN OFFICE!!!
You’re a smart Lady Aunt Jane.
Mr president, you mus not take action on gun shows. Can you be that naive to think that, that will keep the criminals feom hurting people. It is not guns that people. Sadly people sometimes kill people, sometimes they use guns. I will not vote for anyone that trys to strip e on my guns. How could this ridiculous idea stop gun voilence, will you protect me when the wolf is at my door. Hell no, stop you moron and all the liberals that think that guns kill people.
Gun rights cannot be messed with. Ever read the Constitution of our country
Leave us alone. It is not your business. Shame on you.
The Supreme Court must rule on this sometime. We shall not be infringed.
States like California thinks they can overrule the Constitution. They are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Mike, I could not possibly agree more. However, as I previously stated, do we individually enforce the First Amendment by a physical application of the Second? Man, that is a helluva thing. Armed insurrection in the day of large capacity magazines, tactical equipment and hollow points is something to be weighed. Don’t miss understand me, there are a lot of persons which I would love to bless with a black talon in the forehead from my series ’70, but I believe that all avenues must be exhausted before we put the sorry bastards out of our misery. Truth is, there is no point in trying to reason with them. I know, I was engaged to a furious democrat. Still love her, just can’t talk to her at all. But Lord, I still miss her. No. Sorry, I hate her. Aww Hell, I don’t know, I just want to shoot a liberal in the hopes I’ll feel better.
Cheers to all!!
The was no massacre at Sandy Hook. Do a little research before you write lies into your article. What got massacred at Sandy hook was more of free law abiding American Citizens liberties. Not one shot was fired not one drop of blood spilled that day. That has been proven a dozen times over.
This makes you and pro-gun people (me included) look really foolish, Michael. It is just not possible for that many people to partake in a conspiracy this grand without someone telling the truth. NOT POSSIBLE!
Tom have you considered that Michael may be an ultra-liberal trying to make us look stupid. I don’t think a real conservative would fall for that conspiracy stuff.
I don’t know what happened out there but I do know that it was a setup in some way.
Coroner says victims where shot with 556 but the shooter only took in pistols and left his AR in the trunk of his car. Also What about the other guy in the camo pants that was arrested and put in the front seat of the police car?
Don’t be such a sheep and so nieve…. you fall right into their propaganda when you call them conspiracies.
Read the FREE book, “Nobody Died at Sandy Hook” by James Fetzer. The 426 page book is a free download. There’s no doubt Sandy Hook was a staged hoax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEl_1HWFRfo&feature=youtu.be
Tom, I would think as a ‘pro-gun’ person, you would have done a little research as to what happened at Sandy Hoax… If’n you not doing anything today take the time to peruse this link.. http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/01/10/top-ten-reasons-sandy-hook-was-an-elaborate-hoax/ It should at least trigger some of your neuron’s and synapse’s into action regarding this debacle…
Regardless of whether it’s a real event or a hoax, the laws they are trying to put in place are unconstitutional.
It was indeed a hoax and those that haven’t researched it and seen it picked apart are only in denial! How else do so many of those so called deceased kids so up in later school pictures and events! To many facts point that it was a hoax than real, even the reporter shooting in Virginia was a hoax! When you see facts pick these so called shootings apart it will make you question just how many are indeed real or fake!
Its time for these SOB’s to go down. We must removes the morons who simpl y refuse to acknowledge the existence of the constitution. I served for 24 years and im almost to the point of embarrassment and find mys err mgt asking if I wasted those years on a government who blindly ignores this countries most cherished document. The day of reckoning is getting closer day by day.
I feel so bad for all the servicemen who fought, died, or were injured in fighting to preserve, protect, and defend our Nation and our Constitution. They must all be looking at the current state of the nation as represented by the current Occupant of the Oval Office and Capitol Hill, and wonder why they sacrificed everything for this. It’s not what they were fighting for. Our leaders’ current policies, words, and actions are antithetical to the ideas, ideals, and promise that the USA spent over 2 centuries cultivating. We are in desperate need of Patriots to come forward and uphold the oath that our leaders have abandoned.
What does your comment have to do with anything related to this topic of Gun Show freedoms? OK, we can see you hate Barry O , but in reality he’s right. Why should it be different buying a gun from a show vs. any legal gun shop? If federal laws abide regarding background checks on purchases everywhere else (even online), then why is there a fight enforcing the laws on gun shop shopping? WHY? If you are a patriot, then you MUST be law biding! There is and shouldn’t be ANY double-standard when it comes to gun sales. Not one! I have guns, but follow local, state, and federal laws regarding purchasing. The laws have always been there and gun shows have been breaking those laws in my book. Time to close the loophole, and this has NOTHING to do with what our military and those who have sacrificed for our freedom. BTW, I think you should think about what you just wrote about this POTUS. What did he have to do with the War in Iraq and Banastan? The previous Prezidento GWB sent our troops there where thousands died or were wounded, and many die each year now from ptsd’s through suicide. I’d say he’s your devil and the one you should attack if your true intent is to praise their memories.
Mike !!!!no the laws have not always been there. YOU SUCK
The Second Amendment of the Constitution ENUMERATES our God given right to defense of self, family, friends, neighbors & others. My question to you is why do we need ANY other restrictions from the federal government, state government, county government or city government on our God given right?
Mike, are all you liberals really this ignorant? When someone wants to purchase a weapon from someone (not a business vendor) all they will have to do is to exit the gun show and make a very legal Face to Face transaction, then re-enter the gun show and continue on per usual. F2F transactions are legal and have been so since before the Bill of Rights was passed.
All this executive action (by the most non-transparent administration in history whom also swore not to use executive action) would accomplish is to make the 2 individuals walk out of the show, make their transaction and then press on.
In typical liberal fashion this was not thought out with any deductive reasoning skills involved. Which is par for the course for liberals.
Face to Face gun sales without going through an FFL license holder is illegal in The United Socialist State of Kalifornia.
So, your average Joe criminal goes to gun shows to purchase their weapons? This is just another step towards registration and eventual confiscation. The criminal pieces of garbage in Washington DC calling themselves politicians need to be removed from office.
Why are people always blaming gun shows, guns, or the buy and sale of guns for the reasons why criminals use guns, knives, bats, or any weapon for their purpose. Instead of enacting more gun laws, why not punish severely those that use them in a crime. Think of it like this. you are homeless, jobless, no family, no ties to the community, need food or drugs, what is the worst that can happen you get caught committing a crime. go to jail, get three squares a day, cable TV, a warm place to sleep, education, health care, dental care, and learn more about committing crimes without getting caught. This is the deterrence for committing a crime. Now, commit a crime using a weapon, killing someone, they should die. This is deterrence. End of discussion.
Cheap way for government to take care of the wrongful buyer geeting a gun at the gun show or from individual sales, it is very simple. All states require a drivers license, or state ID. On this ID if a felon or domestic violence charge, place a letter on the ID, U or A, unable or able to purchase a firearm. Make everyone look at ID. Perfect gun control with no control.
Yeah, John, Great Idea! Your drivers license is now your official ‘National I.D’ card anybody can now find out exactly where you live. Not only the government gun confiscation police, but criminals, identity theft scammers, stalkers, and every other privacy violating insanity.
We can also put other ‘letters’ on the license like Alc for Alcoholic, FAM for fat assed Moron. ‘CS’ for chain smokers, SJ for Sugar junkie, DG for degenerate gambler. HO for homosexual. etc. etc. Wow! We’ll have to make the licenses larger to fit all the private behavior records for everyone to know!
And as long as we’re at it YOUR Driver’s licence should have the letters FI…Fucking Idiot.
Good Lord… let’s make it even simpler. Put a barcode or some other mark of the beast on people’s foreheads. Better yet, do like they do hogs, notch their ears. I would personally like to see a digit lopped off for each offence, then an appendage. That way, they couldn’t even hold a firearm if they wanted to–but we would probably have them on the public welfare roles forever. Oh well.
Those laws you think should be applied at gun shows as well as regular stores are unconstitutional. What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?
You are right. It is always easier to go after law abiding citizens than to go after criminals. I absolutely need statistics on the number of deaths each year related to private citizen sales of guns before I could possibly deny people of their constitutional rights. However, strengthening sentencing of those that use guns in crime would definitely attack the criminals where they live. Unfortunately, then the administration would be attacking their target constituency.
HenryKnox, your are clear as a bell. If 1/2 of the laws already on the books were enforced fully, there would be no need for new ones. But then, “Libturds” would be denied the rally cry of “common sense” measures and would be bereft of a cause to champion. Its not just gun control, its all about control. The hell with em’ all.
Mike, you need to get a clue. This proposed action has nothing to do with gun shows. It will be extended to require a background check on every private transfer, resulting in defacto registration. I’ve never heard one gun control kook ever say what level of gun control is enough. If you sense distrust, you got it right. Your Pres Obozo has given us every reason to not trust him.
Stop drinking the kook-aide, Mike.
there is already no difference. you cannot buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer without the background check. its a lie made by people who dont get it. another thing that already exists…. BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR GUN SALES AND PURCHASES. Another lie by people that want to take away our rights. The only thing you can do at a gun show they dont like is meet other people like yourself, not a dealer, not a ffl just average American who has a personal firearm for sale. he or she can sell that to another American just like you were selling it from your home to another citizen. there is nothing illegal nor is there anything wrong about that. do you really think criminals go to gun shows to get their guns? do you really? Do you think that criminal wants to wait for a show that happens maybe once every 3 months in his or her area to buy a gun at a place full of cameras and other measures when he or she could just buy from the black market etc anytime anywhere? All the gov is doing is looking for a loophole alright a loophole to take yet another freedom away from law abiding Americans who see something coming down the road that you are missing….. have you even ever been to a gun show?
Mike, I can understand and to a certain degree empathize with your view. I was once an FFL, only for my personal convenience. The only gun I ever sold was a Walther P-88 to my uncle who is a rabid collector. I never really understood what “Libturds” call the “gun show loophole.” One day, at a local gun show I fell in love with an old custom sporter Mauser. I paid the guy and then asked when I could pick it up. In Florida we have seven days, unless you have a CCL. To my surprise the fellow said, no, take it know. I then realized that he was just a private citizen with more guns than his wife wanted in the house. The best metaphor is a swap meet. So you see, there is no loophole. That is only a buzz word. It is simply a private sale. It would be the same if I put an ad in the paper, saying “Remington 1100, 12 ga. 30” brl, full, for sale. No legal difference whatsoever. As such, I hope that you see that closing “the gun show loophole” is only a farce and another step towards curtailing our rights under the Const. Remember, the government is a uni directional ratchet. It only tightens and never loosens regardless of the party in charge.
Mike the MORON!
Well fellow Patriots, take heed…another nitwit suck ass government sycophant who doesn’t have a clue in his cognitively deceased mind concerning who is ‘breaking the law as far as he’s concerned’?
Did you ever read the Constitution, Midget Mentality Mike? Which, by the way, “IS” THE REAL Law of the Land. And its Bill of Rights is Guaranteed to NOT be violated by Illegal Gun Control Laws? What fucklng part of “SHALL NOT BE FUCKING INFRINGED” don’t you get… Mike the Moron?
There are no caveats or qualifiers in the 2nd Amendment. NONE! It doesn’t say ‘Shall Not Be Infringed” ‘oh well,..except oh, uh, um, if the ‘authorities’ feel like making a little feely good restrictive laws for the specious illusion of ‘public safety’ just for a little better ‘control’ over your inalienable right to privately own a firearm”
The ACLU is finally even starting to realize that Every Part of te 1968 Gun Control ACT…IS FUCKING WRONG AND ILLEGAL!
ALL Gun Control laws are patently UN Constitutional. But because of people like you, Moron Mike, Totalitarian regimes can still try to subvert the Constitution and get away with it right under your broken noses.
And there’s even a LAW that prohibits universal gun registration-which is what background checks on private sales ARE– that was put forth in 1986 by Congress so the POTUS is also ‘breaking’ that law, because everybody–except shit for brains igno-imbecilic CBs like you–KNOWS that background checks and purchases on form 4473s from dealers ARE IN FACT ILLEGAL REGISTRATION disguised as ‘administrative formality’! Because there’s Nothing to stop them from looking up who bought what, and more importantly–because of the ‘National I.D. Act’ now in full swing—THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE, so they can confiscate your stuff anytime they feel like it.
But this Fascist regime gets away with it because of dumb ass traitors like you licking their boots in lock step while sticking your noses farther up their asses hoping for a few more finger lickin’ good scraps and bones.
People who maintain critical reasonable objectiveness have the ability to see and KNOW the truth that the leftist cartels in America have been trying to disarm the American Free Citizen for decades with illegal back door laws. And their motivation and agenda is obvious if you just open your eyes. Having Obama do an executive back ground check order to literally register all future purchases amounts to nothing less than an admission that they are determined to proactively disarm the People if they want complete financial control over them.
Yet ‘We, the Peoople’ are STILL NOT ‘proactively’ giving our Feckless Wastrel Representatives the ORDER to start repealing all these illegal treasonous laws?!
So You’ll be squealing and mewling a different song, Mike the Moron, when they find out about your mental ‘disorder’, mandate that you go in for a drug test and emotional ‘content’ evaluation by leftist government employed psychologist–like they mandate OTR Commercial truck drivers to do fairly easily, and by ‘LAW’ you failed to answer the questions ‘properly’ (just answering the question ‘Yes’ to owning multiple semi-auto firearms will disqualify you in the examiner’s opinion) and you are now prohibited your ownership and possession of guns because of that, The ‘gun police’ like they already had in California, will ‘stop by’ without a due process warrant’ to pick up your guns, and search your home if you say you lost or sold them. you stupid fuck!
. Oh, sorry, a mental miscreant like you is intransigently absent the thinking capacity to realize the potential of the new Bills proposed by the likes of Boxer and Feinstein and others just biding their time in the system waiting for Hillary’s imprimatur when she get elected…a catastrophic liberty killing event also facilitated by the likes of traitors like you.
As the law currently exists, there is no restricting any individual from making a personal sale of a firearm, or firearms. There is not any proof that any gun sold at a gun show has played a part in any of the many shootings we have witnessed in the past or present. The problem is one of rabid anti 2nd amendment propagandists lies being repeated over and over and the uneducated buying into them. The criminals do not buy their weaponry at gun shows, nor do they get them from licensed dealers. The black market is how criminals obtain firearms and by burglaries and other thefts. They are criminals and do not have any problem with violating the law in order to get their weapons. It is about time someone was able to communicate this concept and that people started becoming adults in their realization of the facts. We have had enough of the lies and propaganda, and not enough of law enforcement.
What gun shows have been breaking ‘those’ laws? Please expand on this. I’ve been to hundreds of gun shows, but I never saw them breaking laws on the books.
Wrong.
YUP!!! Mike is right folks,,,,…..”why should it be different”?????
Absolutely it shouldn’t be different- there shouldn’t be any background checks period…..
NO “Mike” -the “laws have not always been there”, except for slaves(starting in 1640).
Any more than the “laws” on the First-Amendment you commie-tooled useful-idiot.
See Mike- slaves and subjects can’t own firearms, swords or any weapons at all.
Certainly it’s true that felons shouldn’t own firearms, but they get them anyhow!
Why should the rest of Americans be forced to be “INFRINGED” at all.
It is first and foremost exactly a violation of OUR Bill of RIGHTS!
Felons break the law if armed illegally- has nothing to do w/us ~!
PS- Your Commie/Liar-N-Chief MAO’bama is the cause for 100’s of thousands of murders, rape, torture and slavery;
now mass migration of millions to infest the worlds free nations because of his lack of leadership of the free world.
Gca has worked for decades. No more government intervention into our Constitutional rights that were the backbone of why this country was created. If you don’t agree I will personally pay for your passport and removal as a citizen. If carry was promoted, this bastard yesterday would have been downed. Always a politician to get all poloticky!
You are one dumb ass if you think that retard Obama is trying to do anything other than destroy the United States
Mike your comment only proves that your a fake! The same laws apply at a gun show as do the laws at any store front. This is just another underhanded way to get any law in which to restrict gun sales outside of that realm, which will do absolutely nothing except restrict the law abiding citizen! When they start talking about punishing criminals harshly and swiftly them I might listen as No Gun ever committed a crime, people do!
Mike,
Your commits indicate you do not understand that back ground checks do occur at gun shows. It is only an individual not in the business that can sell to another individual without background checks. Is not a gun show exception.
Obama has been a disaster for our country. He has ignored the constitution and ignored congress. He has acted like a tin pot dictator.
If all the gun grabbers want to watch a real eye-opener, watch the documentary “Winter on Fire – Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom” which is available on Netflix. The documentary illustrates, in detail, the REAL reason why the Second Amendment exists. It doesn’t exist to hunt or target shoot. The Framers provided this language for protection of citizens from a tyrannical government. Can’t happen here? Yeah, right. Tell that to the people of the early American colonists, the people of Germany, Cambodia, North Korea, the former Soviet Union, etc.
Go ahead, and watch the movie. It will make a believer out of you as you listen to the stories of the people that were in Ukraine fighting for their freedom.
Sorry, but I don’t want mentally ill people to have guns. Background checks are necessary. And why would anyone buy a gun from someone they don’t know? Instead of name calling, start having an intelligent conversation on this issue.
So, what part of the laws do you think are constitutional? Since when do you have to ask permission to exercise your rights? What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?
Doug, these alleged background checks that you think will cure everything are, as we speak, over two years behind according to the FBI, those folks who do the checks.
Doug, your argument is very tired and worn out. To quote Spock: “The needs of the many outweigh those of the few.” Bottom line is the many have the God Blessed Constitution with the Bill of Rights and of that most cherished and revered document there are the first amendment which allows you to speak your mind and the second which guarantees the right to exercise the first. Does the occasional crack pot and/or loon slip through, YES, indeed. That is part of the price we pay for being free. In comparison, every Swiss citizen is bound by law to be armed. They also have compulsory military duty and mental defectives are carefully weeded and institutionalized. Few Americans would tolerate that level of intrusion into their private lives. I don’t have any qualms with a background check, indeed, I always pass, but I do take issue with a government agency selling guns to Mexican drug runners who in turn use them to murder border agents. Your/our Government is more concerned with its own security and self perpetuation than that of its citizens. One word, Greenbrier.
Because you can’t have ‘intelligent’ conversations with igo-imbeciles…Doug??? Because if you really are a conscientious critical thinker You can’t be ‘serious’ about establishing a ‘Minority Report’ society and attempting to ‘monitor’ and ‘regulate’ and micro-manage every human behavior tendency?
…Unless you want to have a totalitarian society, Doug?
Because, Doug…”Sorry’, I don’t want chain smoking Caffeine (it’s a drug, dummy!) pumped, beer drinking (it’s already a law, unenforcible at this point, but still an (illegal) law–no target practicing–even on your own land, when drinking alcoholic beverages in some states) people to have guns, Doug?
Take yourself, for instance. You’re so stupid that you don’t even know that Mental Illness, Is NOT a CRIME! So how can you do background checks for that? Its’ an illness. It’s a medical condition that’s treatable and anytime you fill up at a gas station and are in possession of highly explosive gasoline you can look around at the pumps and the National Psychological Association says that one out of three other customers have some diagnosable psychological or emotional behavioral issues. Are you one of those, Doug the Dunce?
So you are so stupid, you fell right into the Obama mind trap of making everybody a criminal for most of their personal private lifestyle or behavior so that the anti-2nd//A agenda of the punishment of ‘criminal possession’ of a gun, can applied to enough people to effectively disarm the late, great, American Free Patriot!
Don’t you feel Stupid…or at least guilty of complcity with the Leftist totalitarians, Doug?
But, Sorry, Stupid definitely is dangerous, so ‘I don’t want Stupid people to have guns, Doug? Does that make you feel better.
Even if you do a real ‘crime’ of violence against a person, you get arrested and imprisoned for public safety and punishment with no chance to do violence with guns or anything until you paid your dues and are deemed ‘rehabiltated and fit’ to be reintegrated into society. That’s the way it used to be. When you got out of prison you had no restrictions on owning guns (or voting, how convenient for the PTB) before 1968 if you did your time and paid for the crime and became a Law Abiding Citizen once again. But if you fucked up again, then you went ‘away’ again from society and if you were really ‘bad’ you were gone for decades or for life. And that’s the way our visionary founders and far more ‘intelligent’ people than you or me set it up to be. It’s the only way you can have it in a true Egalitarian-Libertarian society. Otherwise…well you’re seeing it now. A dictatorship oriented regime will have no problem making the ‘law’ fit the ‘punishment’. Is that an ‘intelligent’ enough conversation for ‘intelligent’ people, Doug?
And once ‘you’ (collective) ‘allow’ the totalitarians to do and get away with a Jeti mnd trick like that on you, It’s called ‘programming/training the sheeple’.
Like you obviously are, Doug?
All gun sales require a background check? Sounds like a foot in the door to make private gun sales illegal. Just how
will this be enforced if I sell a buddy a shotgun or pistol?
And if I hear Bernie sanders say “straw man purchasers ” one more time……aghhh
To reduce gun violence it is simple effective immediately bring back the death penalty for all who illegally murder any US citizen whether it be man, women, child or babies no matter of skin color, race or religion.
Stop and deport all Illegals including muslims from inside the US boarders.
Shut down by force all Muslim Terrorist Training Camps inside the US – arrest and tried for conspiracy and murder of the US citizens.
Disarm and try all drug gangs for murdering of babies, stop all illegal drugs from coming into the US. Place our Military at the boards to help close it. Shot anyone whom crosses it coming in from Mexico and Canada.
Try all politicians on ground of treason for total and complete FAILURE to their Oath of office and payment from FOREIGN COUNTRIES including Murdering of Americans by Hillary Clinton and Obama and the rest.