We’re not trying to pick on the .40 S&W. I swear.
It’s just coincidence that last week we came across a story about a woman’s breast implant deflecting a .40-caliber projectile and now, this week, we found another article detailing a head-turning situation involving the popular self-defense round.
Published in lawofficer.com is a story called “Officer Down: The Peter Soulis Incident,” which ran back in February.
SEE ALSO: Why the .40 is Dead, Long Live .40
It details a harrowing gunfight where a wounded officer needed as many as 22 rounds of .40 to bring down an armed assailant — 17 of which struck center mass.
You should read the whole thing if you have a moment. But here is the gist from author Brian McKenna:
Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.
Apocryphal, you say? Maybe. There is a disclaimer that reads, “some facts have been altered slightly, but the essential elements of the story remain unchanged.”
I highly doubt that’s referring to the number of rounds fired, as that’s an integral part of the story. Still, it’d be nice to have some way to verify the encounter, even if it was just a link to a redacted autopsy of the perp to confirm the 17 hits to the chest cavity.
Assuming that it’s all true, though, I think the story definitely reaffirms my position on concealed carry capacity.
Which is very simple. There are no guarantees about capacity, save one: more is better. And that goes for whatever’s in your sidearm, be it .45 ACP, 9mm or .40 S&W.
The fact that this cop put 17 out 22 of his rounds “on target” is the amazing point of this story to me. I read somewhere that the average cop who fires his weapon in the line of duty only hits his intended target 25% of the time. Think about that. What the Hell difference does the caliber of weapon you’re carrying make when you can’t put more than 1 in 4 of your rounds “on the money?” Seems to me a larger portion of law enforcement budgets should go toward improving those numbers!
It says 22 hits (17 center mass)
That’s 22 hits total.
We have no idea how many he fired.
I shot a 300 Lbs. Javalina running at me on the chest (1) round using a Glock 27 and Remington S&W .40 Hollow Point Bonded Golden Saber (180 GR) …. and he didn’t run, kick, or roll ….
He dropped straight on the ground ….. The Lungs and parts of the liver were hanging out the side. So shooting a guy 22 rounds all body I cannot Visualize !
Caliber is much less important than placement with a handgun round. We’re taught over and over to go center mass, center mass, center mass. But the most reliable stop is a headshot, and the most reliable knock-down is the pelvic girdle. I think it may be a mistake to focus so much on center mass, because it’s teaching downward in technique rather than upward? Does that make sense?
I was off that night and I know this officer and all of us with JSO were carrying a Glock 22 40 cal pistol. When our department first took on the Glock, model 19, it was 9mm. We had shootings where the suspect was hit numerous times with 9mm and did not go down. I do believe the suspect in the Solis shooting was using a drug that night.
If Palmer was on drugs, then they didn’t show up in the autopsy.
It helps to read the article.
“His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream.”
The most important lesson here is being lost in the extraneous comments about the model of the officer’s firearm, what the bad guy was wearing, the bad guy’s physique, etcetera.
That lesson is simply keep shooting until the threat is eliminated which is what the officer did.
BTW, nothing short of something like an RPG round is a guaranteed one shot stop. There is no “magic bullet” or caliber.
Very hard to beleave !
Two important facts missing.
What was the distance between the 2?
What was the perp wearing?
Until you have all the facts you probably should have just filed this article away as fake news.
The distances were as little as half a car width to car length.
You can never trust what the bullet out of any handgun will do plus or minus
Many of the comments mistakenly ignore the position of the comma which places emphasis on there being 17 rounds taken to the body, not the model of the gun. Also, earlier in the article it specifically states.
“Suddenly, the driver lunged to his right and down. Without conscious thought, Soulis drew his gun a .40 caliber Glock 22 as he moved to his left and shined the light into the car.
This specifically states the officers gun is a .40 caliber Glock 22.
Jeez, guys,
If you’re going to comment and criticize an article, at least take time to read the friggin’ story.
There are so many bullshit objections in this comment list, it’s amazing some of these people can shave in the morning…
READ IT FIRST, then bitch if you have to. If you want to be considered a gun expert, you gotta be able to read.
Amen! Ron! You just don’t expect someone to keep coming at you after that many Rounds!
As anyone that has hunted game (larger) knows, different animals react differently to trauma. I can attest to shooting a large hog and totally blowing out the heart with a 44 Magnum. That hog ran at least 100 yards before falling. Another hog about the same size, with the same revolver, at near the exact same distance; I hit with a 44 in the lungs. That hog went down like a sack of potatoes. This does not by any means say the 44 mag is not big enough for hog, it just determines that not all situations are the same. It does, however, explain some of the need for capacity. I’ve been a huge 1911/45 fan for many years and own quite a few. I have, however, recently switched to a P365 (please don’t tell my friends that I carry a 9mm!). I made the decision that even though I am a pretty good shot and have LOTS of training, I’m LIKELY going to miss in a defensive encounter. If I miss with my 1911, I have 6-7 rounds left. If I miss with my P365, I have 12 rounds left depending on the magazine capacity. 9mm has come a LONG way in bullet design and load design. My P365 (insert your pistol of choice here) is easy to shoot, holds a bunch of ammo, and is easy to carry. I feel absolutely comfortable and confident with my 9mm – and trust me – this is HARD for an old 45 guy like me to admit!!!! And no, I’m not going to go hunt big game with it….
your ‘re absolutely right the more ammo the better 9mm has come a long way and i love 45 acp to.
So much for the theory, “My defense cartridge starts with a “4”. A lot of bravado swizzled down the tubes with that one . . . that is if it’s even correct. As has been pointed out so many times already, A Glock 17 in .40???
Cop had a M22 only 2 rounds less than a 17. I only carried 15 rounds in my duty G17. That’s a lot of ammo.
Article says glock 17…which is a 9mm.
Disregard… I went back and saw the comma…
I would be interested in what ammunition he had chambered!
Who, the bad guy?
It’s right there in the article
“Remarkably, Palmer had taken [twenty two] hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, [seventeen] of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. “
Did the officer reload? I ask because standard magazine capacity of a Glock 22 is 15 rounds. Supposing the officer loads one into chamber and reloads the magazine to full capacity that provides 16 rounds. So for 17 rounds hitting perp. An extended magazine or a reload are necessary.
He was hit 22 times
The cop reloaded. It mentions the perp moving up on the cop after the cops empty magazine hit the ground.
What kind of clothing was the guy wearing? Heavy clothing coats play hell with hollow point ammo.
the .40 is dying and the 10mm is growing fast. either a 357 or 10mm with 180 grain hollowpoints at 1200 fps is hard to beat. I think it was cooper who said “I have a handgun to get me to my rifle.” or something like that.
Incorrect.. he states “Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. ”
17 is the number of times he was hit center mass.
Hate to be the devils advocate, but in this story he state a 40. Glock 17 was used. The Glock 17 is a 9mm.
He said a 40 caliber Glock, with 17 rounds to the chest. Read the article again to see where you miss read. Very easy to do.
You’re just wasting time. Seriously half of the US can’t read, and the other half just skims the article. Welcome to the internet. 🤷♂️ Some people can’t even attempt grade school grammar.
Just sit back and laugh. Its more fun.
Let’s read that again.
“ 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass.”
the article stated only Glock, then a comma. that says he was separating the model from the number of rounds to hit center mass.
This story is total B/S… The Glock 17 is chambered to shoot a 9mm round, not a .40S&W.
read the line again.
“Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass.”
Let’s read that again.
“ 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass.”
Please notice the comma after the word Glock.
Then why don’t you carry a Ma deuce. Then we will really be impressed.
First thing: Glock 17 is 9mm not .40 cal. Glock 22 is ,40 cal.
Second thing: In my department’s training it is 2 the body, 1 in the head.
Third thing: Shoot until the threat is stopped.
Ultimate goal: Go home at the end of your shift.
2 to the chest, the face gets the rest…
Glock 17 in .40 caliber? The Block 17 is a 9mm.
Kidding
“…hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit…”
Well this is a little scary. I am having a difficult time understanding why our society trusts LEOs with lethal force when some are unable to comprehend the meaning of a comma in a sentence.
Well Said Officer! Go home at the end of your shift. There is no difference between killing a perp with one shot or 17 shots, or even 50 shots if there are multiple officers. Bottom line is perp is dead! Is perp being killed to death?
Shoot until threat is down, so with many officers there may be 50 shots. Public response is insane when they hear such stories. Perp still dead, be it 1 or 50 shots and Good Guys go home! God Bless our men & women behind the badge!
135 Gr. CORBON will cure all of that. He He
Well one thing the article teaches us. Buy a S&W M&P and no worries…;)~
I am a 9mm guy and “more is always better” advocate. 17 center mass–how big was this guy? A vest maybe? Hard to believe..but…why I always train double tap head chest. Will look for full article.
Hm. If you need to shoot, the actual value of carrying a piece is cut in half. Carrying and presenting is usually intended to act as a deterrent: Present your weapon by aiming it at someone and that someone usually decides to either leave or calm down.
If that doesn’t work, then the “someone” you’ve aimed at is going to try to get to you whether you are armed or not. Heart-shots, even if they destroy the heart, leave the attacker with ten to fifteen seconds possible violence. Usually, the only sure way to STOP someone is to blow their brains out (12ga @ <10 inches).
Humans are surprisingly resilient in the short run and can do a lot of damage with lethal injuries to themselves.
Until the oxygen runs out you can still react.
30 years ago undercover cops in Baltimore shot a drug dealer 17 times at close range, about 10′, with Hydrashocks (considered the best at the time) most being torso shots but also several arm and leg hits. He lived and so did the police officer the guy had tried to murder by shooting him in the back of the head from about 18 in.
Very surprised! I’ve watched a few videos where police criminals multiple times and the bad guy did not go down. I have a tough time imagining someone withstanding 6 shots of .357 Magnum from a revolver.
There was a training video back in the 80’s where the perp took 34 rounds, more than half center mass. The autopsy photo had a flag in every bullet hole. He kinda looked like a cake from hell.😁
I do not remember the caliber.
9mm
I believe I saw that picture of the perp on the slab.
I was a Leo back in the 80’s and the book we saw it in was
“ Street Survival, Tactics for Armed Encounters” , the Book by Charles Remsberg, Ronald J. Adams, and Thomas M. McTernan.
Good educational material back then.
I vividly recall a video interview with a cop that was shot, after hitting the perp with his 9mm (issued weapon). The cop was at a shooting range during the interview. When the cop recovered, he switched back to an M1911 .45 ACP. I beleived he carried a .357 MAG revolver as a back up. This was over 20 years ago, before advancements in 9mm rounds.
Good thing it wasn’t a 9mm– 28 center-of-mass hits would have been rather unlikely.
Better change your name to “Fudd Lee”
17 is a 9mm…?????
Where does it say it was a Glock 17? I see Glock, 17 though that is in reference to the seventeen shots, not the model number.
There’s a comma after the 17…
17 were the shots that hit the perv, not a reference to the gun. Notice the comma between Glock and 17.
It didn’t say it was a Glock 17.. said that 17 rounds hit center mass…
…when the first dozen to center mass do nothing it’s obviously a zombie and requires a head shot or 5
These articles and especially these comments make my head want to explode!
This occurrence is anecdotal and so much important info missing.
I can’t believe I read the whole thing.
(Returns to normal / post-covid life.)
I don’t believe this is accurate.
HK USP .40 Expert
w/Jet Funnel & 3 16-round magazines
I taken several defensive hand gun lessons from a retired state patrol officer and I practice with a Beretta model 96 as often as I can. If I were to be in a defensive situation that involved firing my pistol, I hope my performance would be on par with this officer’s. I’m glad he prevailed.
This shooting was news when it happened in 1997.
Bullet technology has come a long way in 23 years. I’m surprised that Jacksonville SO was so forward thinking to have .40s back then, probably premature, judging by this incident.
https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20150410/NEWS/801242919?template=ampart
Wow I am from Warner Robins and don’t remember this. Going to have to do some research.
I haven’t seen a description of the bad guy. 400 lbs. wearing, a bunch of clothes and a heavy leather jacket, etc.? Or a 120 lb. crackhead in a t-shirt? What was the distance? A lot of variables here. I don’t know enough about this to believe any normal human could stand 17 rounds from a .40 cal. Not adding up…
About 15 years ago an extremely obese drug dealer in texas was brought to the hospital after having been shot 9 times with a 9mm by an unhappy customer. When they took xrays before taking him to surgery they found that none of the bullets had penetrated through his heavy layer of fat.
I have read about other accounts where people have been shot one or more times in the chest and stomach and the bullets bypassed everything.
Headshot?
Well said. Too much information omitted.
Before I would make any comments on the effectiveness of a handgun round I would like to know all the facts. The exact model of Glock, as 22 rounds were fired there had to have been a reload. I want to know the barrel length as that has to do with velocity of a given round. What were the gn weight of the rounds used, a 40 S&W has three main weights, 135-160 and 180. What was the bullet type? Most probably it was a hollow point, was it the bonded type did they expand, did some or most fully penetrate the chest? Was there a drug tox screen? Facts we need all the facts!
i havent heard anybody using a 135gr 40s/w. most use 165gr 155gr or 180gr. most ive talked to or read about choose 165gr 40s/w rounds.
Distance was half a car width to a car length. Ammo was Winchester JHP, good stuff. The Cop has a Glock 22, he did reload based on him dropping the magazine to the ground and the suspect moving up on him.
We don’t know the distance between perp and police officer, do we(?)
The FBI sent a few agents to their deaths in the Miami shootout armed with pistols when the bank robbers/spree killers had at least one Mini-14 – The FBI now has dedicated FBI SWAT teams in the big US cities’ “56 field offices”
So, unless you are a white collar criminal accused of moving numbers into the wrong column, if the FBI is involved (not saying that here) you will probably be arrested by FBI agents who look like they are storming Bin Laden’s house. These guys might have .40’s strapped to their thighs, but they’re pointing Colt M4’s at your face. The 9mm’s are for the guys/gals in suits who maintain higher aggregate marksmanship scores with the smaller caliber, than they do with .40’s and or .45’s.
This incident happened in 1997. You can find lots of details if you go digging. They were shooting at each other from opposite sides of a car so 6-15 feet apart as they checked around the car.
I’ve read that in a gunfight, most shooters manage one hit for every three or four rounds fired. If it takes three good hits to stop an assailant (and assuming all hits are “good,” that is to vital areas), that could mean as many nine to twelve shots. This means that your 15-round magazine is only good for stopping one-point-something bad guys – in other words, fewer than two.
When your life is on the line, there’s no such thing as a “high-capacity magazine.” You either have the firepower on board (in the gun and in spare mags) to get the job done or you don’t. Politicians shouldn’t be allowed to reduce your chances of surviving an attack by dictating how you carry your ammo.
Fake news unless the perp was wearing a Level III vest. Next bit of distractive propaganda will be that .223Rem or 7.62x39mm is not effective either.
As long as (1) the brain remains functional and (2) nerve pathways are intact, a lethally wounded person can do a helluva lot of damage.
The only way to prevent this is to cause either (1) or (2) to be non-functioning. Contrary to general belief, a person with no brain cannot intentionally cause harm, and if the cervical nerve bundle is severed, the person stops moving and expires.
Head shots or neck shots, please, if you need someone dead, fast.
Well said!
I agree. I will practice at 100 yards with my 40 and I would not want to be the one standing there. I bet if it is true, he was already a dead man walking and the follow up rounds were just backup.
I guessing here that the first one or two hits were of the “light grazing” type that got his blood and adrenaline pumping.
I carry a S&W 500 (appendix) and a hand grenade in each pocket .l. at least that what she said:)
If three rounds center mass don’t stop the assailant, consider a head shot.
I agree. My firearm training class taught that if two rounds to the center mass do not stop an assailant shoot for ocular cavity in the head. Any bullet hits in that portion of the head mean lights out for about anyone.
Frontal Forehead shots are not optimal as the bone there is very thick. No guaranty of penetration. Sometimes the bullets actually travel under the skin to the back of the head and exit making it look like the bullet went through his head.
3+ Decades ago I knew a guy that I later found out had killed a lot of guys in the drug trade. He was teaching me defensive shooting tactics and he told me “everyone freezes for a second when they get shot so hit them 1-2 times in the chest and then once in the face if you can.” He discouraged shooting people in the head because the target is to small and is always moving.
One calf will say “I’m going to live no matter what the DVM says”.
Another will say “I’m going to die no matter what you do for me”
After years of looking, I can’t tell one from the other until the test.
I am comforted by the asshole’s death and the relief on my tax burden.
Good riddance, fuckhead.
Very well said Pat.
17 rounds to stop the BG, not counting misses. And some idiots want to limit magazine capacity to as little as 7 rounds? Ludricrus.
7 rounds is the normal cap for the 1911. It isn’t the number of rounds in either the cylinder or the magazine; it’s where they wind up that matters.
A 600-pound pig can be put down with one .22 round, if you place that round properly.
I either carry thirteen rounds or twenty-five rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson in two magazines when I carry which is most of the time. I call ten round and lower capacity “crippled capacity magazines.” Hopefully I never need to use a firearm in self defense but if I do I certainly do not want ten rounds or less.
Folks, you have to realize there is no magic death ray that will instantly incapacitate an opponent instantly, except perhaps a 12ga and they are not practical in handgun size. Locally we had a shootout where the bad guy took four 12ga rifled slug hits to his chest. The ME said any of the four would have been lethal by themselves. The one that shut down the BG centerpunched his heart. Even so, he was upright and returning fire for an estimated 15 seconds before collapsing. Such is the stuff police officer nightmares are made. I’ve had a few where I was returning fire on a BG and could actually see the bullets impacting and pieces of the BG flying off to no effect. Scary stuff.
One 12-gauge slug to the chest likely was lethal to that guy. I read that someone’s heart can be destroyed and they still have up to thirty seconds of fight left in them.
For all you guys who don’t read…..it said it was a Glock. No model number was in the story, just the caliber and the shot count to the chest.
And for all you caliber commandos, get a big gun or go home and hide. That’s why I carry 454 Casull 6″ in my IWB holster. Leather. Sure, it gets a bit sweaty and uncomfortable in the summer, and every other day in any season. But I won’t need 17 shots to anything to make an impression.
Then why don’t you carry a Ma deuce. Then we will really be impressed.
I would, but I don’t have a mount for my wheel chair! LOL!
Last I looked a glock 17 was a 9mm just say in
The comma between Glock and 17 denotes brand and round capacity!
I’ve seen men hit with squad automatic fire (7.62) and still keep coming. The human body coupled with the will to live can take an amazing amount of punishment. So this story shows the .40 failed in this incident against this assailant. Theres no magic BB.
Every SAW I ever saw was in 5.56.
M-60.
An M240 is also a “squad automatic weapon” in my opinion. I think they came up with that acronym purely because the 5.56mm was the 1st purpose built of its type.
Huh, WHERE’S the STORIES of ALL the “bad guys” being taken out BY .40 S&W? Must’ve missed those. This gets old…
Or all the articles about how it took 38 rounds of 9MM to take perp down.
Sure are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for gun stories(which is a great thing)need since everyone’s been hit by what to me is a “modern day plague” and I don’t know why people don’t call a spade a spade. Moron people still going outside and hanging out in groups coughing and sneezing all over each other while they protest not being able to go outside, he there protesting OUTSIDE! Reopen barber shops, yeah, that’s important t like a LIFE IS! This is an evolution kind of like thing(brain farting on the words I really should use here and it’s not evolution so much as it’s better defined by another word or or few that I’m blanking on right now)where the dumb are out doing dumb things that they sit need to do to get by. So their the weak ones and the rest who stay in and away from people are the strong and no doubt if you could follow the two different groups, would find the obvious which is the idiots who gather in bunches are dying more rapidly than people who don’t. I heard these a state or states that have or are trying to open bowling alleys! BOWLING ALLEYS!!! NOBODY EVER had said, “I’ll die without bowling.” Nor died due to the lack of knocking over pins with a ball! Worst part is we are led by these same stupid thinkers who now make all our decisions for us smart people who don’t want things to reopen before they get control of the spread since if they can’t control it when nobody’s on the streets, how could they possibly ever control it with everyone hacking in each other or spray it as they say it people and we all know at least one of those people. Not to mention all of us once in a while straight out spit a little and
Seek help!
Whatever you are smoking–DON’T SHARE!
You need to go and get a refill on whatever meds you are taking STAT !
You sir are one of the sheep! A modern day plague my ass. None of the numbers add up. Upper 90 percentile mild cold/flu symptoms? Plague?😂 The people who have serious issues already have compromised immune systems. People being labeled with Covid cause of death when their families say they were terminally ill in a fnal stage state from another illness. People better open their eyes. How many people do you know seriously ill with an actual confirmed Covid19 “VIRAL” Test not a symptom or antibody test. I already know the answer “0.” This appears to be a worldwide conditioning experiment and the brain dead like yourself are the perfect example of how our eyes are shut and brains are mush after years of mass media propaganda. People like you need to read Eli Wiesel’s book Night. People from other communities escaped the Nazis and tried to warn his town that they were coming and people said not possible. Oh, the Nazis came and imposed curfews and the people said it will be alright. People were herded on to box cars by gun point and they said we will be ok. We all know the end result well maybe not you. Always question what you here or read. Never be trusting of any dominant media source. Most definitley never trust any “World” or “United” labeled organizations as they are most definitely political.
Adrenalin is a powerful thing. Most hunters understand that.
“Fatal”hits do not always equate to “instantly incapacitating”hits. Big difference. Subject in story would have eventually died, but you can kill lots of good guys in that 4 minutes from first hit to last heartbeat. Penetration, tissue damage, blood loss, impact site all play major roles here.
Glock? Ranger SXT? LOL
Probably shoots expert…put all his rounds in one small circle…maybe damaged one lung…and no other vital organs.
Need a better spread of rounds to incapacitate quicker. Yes…it’s a thing.
Or the 2 and 1 Mozambique drill as mentioned in another post.
“from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit”… amazing how important punctuation can be (pssst- check the comma)
Says the amazing genius, Marc c Young.
Glock 17 is a 9mm
Guess he meant Glock, and 17 for how many rounds hit the guy
Nowhere does the article state the officer was using a Glock 17. It’s referring to the 17 shots of .40 S&W out of 22 fired that hit “center mass.” Here’s the sentence quoted from the original article: “Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis’ .40-caliber Glock, **17 of which had hit center mass.** ” I have added asterisks to set off the clause. Seriously, you guys read much?
Thanks Roger… Also, from the original source article: “Suddenly, the driver lunged to his right and down. Without conscious thought, Soulis drew his gun a .40 caliber Glock 22 as he moved to his left and shined the light into the car. ‘Show me your hands!’ he shouted.”
Yeap, I had to re-read that myself. That was my first thought – ‘a Glock 17 in .40 caliber’? No I missed the comma too. It doesn’t say it was a Glock model 17 in .40 caliber.
These guys keep saying Glock 17😂
Our education system has been in shambles for years. I took honors classes in high school. My 12th grade English Composition teacher said that each year the quality of her students deteriorated. It is apparent from these Glock 17 commmets that she was correct.
On a side note. Look into the different Communist groups throughout the country. Some of them have websites that have job listings many or most of which are education based. People better wake up, but I am positive that will not happen. Its much easier for most to be led than to lead!
.40 SUCKs? soooo, 17 center mass didn’t stop perp, had perp been drinking coffee?
If you need 17 shots of anything to stop someone “Your a complete loser, go practice more”
Here is the truth in the old days people killed with “6 shots of lead” or they died!
You can never count on having more than one shot to “Stop or kill”
I carry a knife, in a gun free zone sooo
Good point previous poster, 17 is not a 40s&w and where were the fing head shots?
If that’s the best a cop can shoot don’t bother with “gun control” enforcement much less covid staying in doors
As I read these comments i realize there are some REALLY smart arm chair quarterbacks out there who can’t even read a simple sentence.
The Glock 17 is not a .40 cal. And you can’t convert up from 9mm to .40 cal.
Ralph, I don’t read where they said it was a Glock 17? The 17 was referring to the 17 center mass shots! Maybe I’m wrong, but I read it three times.
I stand corrected, the comma didn’t show up as well on my cell phone when I first read this. But the gist of the story shouldn’t be about the caliber, but about how (as was stated by several people) there is no “perfect, one-shot stopper” handgun for all situations. There are stories of .22’s stopping fights with one or two shots, and .380’s bringing a bad guy down with less than 5 shots. There are other stories that have perps being hit numerous times with .45 ACP and walking away, and during one Chicago jewelry store robbery in the 80s, a perp being hit 33 times (including head shots) by 9mm before going down. Every situation is different and ever caliber works and fails. We always hear that shot placement is the most important factor, and that is definitely true, but in an up close and personal firefight, it is very hard to intentionally make the perfect CNS shot that will drop a man in his tracks. Be prepared to fire many times. Most self defense situations rarely require a reload, but some may… and for a LEO, there is a much, much higher chance that at least one reload may be necessary. So, the point of this story is to “Be Prepared”, not that any one caliber is better than another.
I saw nowhere in this recap where they called the weapon a Glock 17.
The author wasn’t saying, he fired a Glock 17…” He was saying, “He fired a Glock [pause] 17 rounds hit center of mass”.
That’s usually true. However the 17/19 can be easily converted to fire a .40…
Never assume that you’re right.
Check your facts. You can’t convert up, only down. You can take a 40 down to 9 or 357sig but try going from a 9 up to a 40 and tell me how well that works for you.
the only way a g17 or g19 can be upconverted to .40s&w is with a complete upper slide swap, due to the differences in barrel diameter; however, the g22/g23 series can be downconverted to either .357sig or 9mm with just a simple barrel swap…peace
The cop was packing a Glock M22 in .40 S&W, using Winchester JHP ammo. He shot the perp 22 times, 17 of which were center mass. You need to re-read the article and take notes.
A Glock 17 is chambered for 9mm. A Glock 22 is chambered for 40 cal. This story has holes in it.
Read much?
Your reading has holes in it.
either not a Glock 17 or not a .40 cal
Read much?
He was shooting a Glock 17 and .40 cal? No way!
Just kidding
Well kids..they don’t call the .40 S&W, the .40 Short & Weak for nothing. (Laugh!)
Remember the answer to the question “why do you carry a .45? Simple, because they don’t make a .55!!..yet anyway!! “
Something tells me .05″ extra diameter wouldn’t have helped. Every body reacts differently. As a paramedic, I’ve seen people die from a single 22 to the abdomen, and a guy survive a 45 to the head. Gabby Giffords survived one to the brain bucket. You just never know.
I carry a .45 XDS. Sure it has more knock down power but you sacrifice capacity. I’m thinking about going to a 9mm Hellcat. More concealable and great capacity.
No such thing as knockdown power.
.45 does not instantly stop attackers either…unless you hit the brain or spine…
it does not knock them down or back…nothing magical about .45…I have a few
if you shoot into the same hole again and again (think tiny shot placement) it will achieve nothing
2 and 1 drill – Mozambique – whatever you want to call it..it works
You can kill someone with a 22 genius.
I still refer to my 40 as 40 short and weak. That started when it was compared to the 10mm. Lastly, the correct phrase, is that I carry a 45 because they don’t make a 46.
I still refer to my 40 as 40 short and weak. That started when it was compared to the 10mm. Lastly, the correct phrase, is that I carry a 45 because they don’t make a 46.
They do make a .46. Its called .460 Rowland. Very nice round, and if shooting .45acp look into the .450smc. This round shoud shut down all the .45 is dead naysayers. You like 10mm? Check out .450smc as it is .45 Super’s stronger brother.
After putting 2 to the chest, the rest of my rounds are going to head shots. Try surviving 17 of those, even if they’re .22s, and half of them miss.
Exactly.