The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act passed 231-198. (Photo: House of Representatives)
National concealed-carry reciprocity moves forward today as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 cleared the House floor. If the act becomes law, people with concealed-carry permits will be able to carry concealed firearms in every state where permitted.
“You’re not going to see mobs of people carrying concealed [weapons] into Times Square,” said North Carolina Republican Richard Hudson, who sponsored the law. “But law-abiding citizens who may be passing through one state to get to grandma’s house in the next state aren’t automatically going to become a criminal.”
“There are more than 16 million concealed carry permit holders in America,” explained Gahanna, Ohio Police Chief Dennis Murphy. “That number has surged in the last decade, and at the same time, violent crime has declined nearly in half. Law-abiding gun owners are not to be feared or mistrusted. We should focus our attentions on those who commit offenses against others, not those who simply wish to protect themselves.”
The act passed largely on party lines although there were outliers on both sides of the aisle. The version was passed as-is without a motion to recommit with instructions.
“For the millions of law-abiding citizens who lawfully carry concealed to protect themselves, for conservatives who want to strengthen our Second Amendment rights, and for the overwhelming majority of Americans who support concealed carry reciprocity, Christmas came early,” said Hudson.
The NRA calls it “the most expansive piece of self-defense legislation in the history of Congress.”
“This vote marks a watershed moment for Second Amendment rights,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA. “The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is the culmination of a 30-year movement recognizing the right of all law-abiding Americans to defend themselves, and their loved ones, including when they cross state lines.”
“This bill ensures that all law-abiding citizens in our great country can protect themselves in the manner they see fit without accidentally running afoul of the law,” said Cox. “We now call on the Senate to take up and pass this critical legislation.”
Permit holders would still have to follow all local and state laws in the states they carry in. For gun rights supporters this is positive news, while anti-gunners are already calling the move “disastrous.”
The argument against concealed-carry reciprocity is that some states have high standards for concealed-carry, and these states would have to recognize carry permits from states with very open standards.
This would also let gun owners get out-of-state carry permits to carry at home, even if they could not normally get a concealed-carry permit in their own jurisdiction. This will undo the work many states have made to make it hard for people to get carry permits.
“House Republicans just ignored opposition from law enforcement and the public in order to eviscerate state gun laws and make it easy for people with dangerous histories and no training to carry hidden, loaded guns across the country,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety.
See Also: Everytown Thinks Reciprocity Forces States to Let Domestic Abusers Carry Guns
Whether it will be signed into law is another matter. For supporters and opponents of national concealed-carry reciprocity, there is much more to do. A big part of that is the controversial Fix NICS Act of 2017.
Fix NICS is a law intended to strengthen the current background check system. It has strong bipartisan support. But some people question how far Fix NICS will dig into people’s backgrounds, potentially blocking thousands of people from buying guns with no sense of due process.
Legislators and lobbyists on both sides of the issue want to link Fix NICS with the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. Some believe that combining the acts will produce enough momentum to carry both into law. Others believe that the reciprocity bill will poison Fix NICS — or vice-versa — in order to block both laws from going into effect.
Time will tell if this is symbolic victory for gun rights or the first step in establishing national concealed-carry standards. And if one or both of these laws are passed, there is always the possibility that the next fight after that will be in the courts.
Just a thought here… unless your vehicle is being searched, which you probably already fucked up to have your vehicle searched, why all the worry? If its concealed, then who knows about it besides you? Kinda the point…right? I dont know about all of you, but my personal safety is more important to me, than some dick politicians law, while they are protected by men armed with machine guns. I carry everywhere. If its somewhere I know I cant carry a gun, because of a metal detector (courthouse) I carry both a shaved credit card and a composite tac pen.
I actually flew from seattle to boston for my grandfathers funeral with a p95 4 years ago by mistake, and TSA totally missed it. 3 mags with me too. I would rather be alive and have to explain myself, than be bleeding out thinking, I should’ve been carrying. Frankly, as a Marine vet, I think all vets who were discharged with good conduct should be able to carry anywhere they want. I have my cpl, but my USMC TATTOO should suffice. Frankly, I dont even think people should be allowed to serve as politicians unless they first served in the military, because they vote to send people, possibly to their deaths in combat, and most poluticians have no grasp of what that means. Also if you had to serve, there would only be like 3 democrats, because 99.9% of the military is conservative, because we all know when real effort is required dems dont show up, they always want someone else to do their work.
SEMPER FI MARINE
Hold up a minute there cow pokes.
People seem to be forgetting that ALL these people that will either vote IN this bill, or toss it off the hill ARE Politicians!!
What makes ANYONE believe for one minute that the whole damn thing isn’t already rigged to fail?
Once again, they are ALL Politicians! That translates into LIAR, just in case you were not aware of it.
Remember when Clinton was in office? WE had a republican House, And a republican Senate! WE impeached that lieing SOB! We found him guilty in the house, so it was ALL down hill from there. We just needed a Simple 50% in the Senate to Toss that butthole out! We had PLENTY of republicans in the Senate to do it! So no problem!
I was sitting in my car at work listening to their vote. And what did WE Believers Get for our trouble to vote for these liars? A solid 50-50 vote!! Simple, only one vote to break the tie kiddies..remember WHO that was? That’s right, The VP of the United States. Of course we got a innocent vote from that jerk!
Sure, the next voting year the Republicans that voted innocent for Clinton didn’t bother to run again. But they were old, and had to back up the old boy club and take the hits! So they did. (Full pay and medical, for the Rest of their Lives!)
That day the skies opened up for ME! I knew right then there was not ONE honest SOB with the lable Politician on it’s name! There wasn’t then, there won’t be now.
The Right to Bare Arms is just that! A RIGHT! Try to break it, and see what happens. The NRA will.be there for you! Well..unless you live in NY, CA, Or any other commie state in the country. All WE get from the NRA is a bill for our dues, and pleas for even MORE donations! Yep..they are solid alright! Owned by the Politicians too.
And by the way. “A Thousand Dollars Minimum” for a military .45??? Are they ALL nuts? I can buy a brand new Kimber off the shelf for a less than that! Remember..these are USED guns made to military standards. Which is crap by the way! Go price a new Springer, or a Rock Island .45 and see what you can get used OR New for a grand!
It’s all just BS! And I am tired of listening to it!!
I wouldn’t be doing cartwheels over this CCW reciprocity bill passing the house. You have to pause and wonder why it got Democrats on board. Move forward to the Senate now. Guess what Schumer and Feinstein piggybacked onto the bill? Piggybacked on to the Senate version is a whole lot of restrictions, namely veterans who have PTSF will be denied their 2nd Amendment rights, NICS checks will be vastly expanded and questionable firearm accessories will be brought under the spotlight. I knew it was too good to be true. Here’s a link that explains it better: https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/1843059172384905
As a disabled senior citizen with a CCW permit in my home state for well over a decade I’d love to see a reciprocity law in effect should I go outside my state lines. But, Every time I think of what ex president OhBlaba did to our COLA raises I want to puke. And any attachment to this bill by a Deamonrat politician will most likely affect people in my sector of life in a similar negative fashion. We senior forgotten citizens may walk softly but If your Deamonrat Politicians walk on us like OhBlaba did we will NOT go quietly into the sunset.
why all the hype about a law that is already built into our constitutional right I.E. the second amendment for those dummies who are so caught up with the stupidity of extra laws that are already in place.
I wouldn’t hold my breath about this passing the Senate.
It’s too bad we have to rely on the same Republicans who voted themselves massive tax cuts, to protect our second amendment rights because their true objective in passing those massive cuts was to defund the government, which will result in massive cuts to social programs including Social Security!
Nonsense. Social insecurity is funded by the payroll tax not by income or corporate tax.
Yes, and that would have continued working well for everyone who qualified if those same Republicans had not assisted in facilitating the demise of labor unions over the past four decades, and the resulting effect it has had on America’s working class.
Most of our young people, who are not capable of receiving advanced degrees of some type, are being forced to work for corporations that keep their hours under a certain level to avoid having to pay benefits, and these poverty level wages do not provide revenue sufficient to fund the ballooning of demand we baby boomers are causing. The Republicans throw us a bone by claiming to protect our Second Amendment rights, but in truth, if public sentiment turns against us to a large enough degree, they will abandon us and slither away just like their Democratic counterparts!
I GOT GUNS I GOT CARRY PERMITS.. I WANNA PROTECT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.. WHATS THE F****** PROBLEM?!!?!?!! SO SICK OF THIS BS OF IDIOTS SHOOTING UP CHURCHES,CONCERTS ,SCHOOLS ETC.. THATS NOT A TRUE AMERICAN AND MOST LIKELY CRIMINAL OR TERRORIST.. FOR USE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.. LEAVE US ALONE AND LET US FREEDOM TO BARE ARMS AND CARRY WHEREVER AND WHENEVER WE SEE FIT ALONG AS WE ARE ONLY BLASTING AND KILLING/SHOOTING THE THUGS AND CRIMINALS AND TRASH OF OUR SOCIETY, I SEE EVERYDAY THE MOVIE “THE PURGE” BECOMING MORE REALISTIC DAY BY DAY YEAR BY YEAR.. WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE SCUM OF THIS EARTH.. PUT GUNS IN HANDS OF ONLY THOSE WHO QUA;IFY TO CARRY LEGALLY.. OPEN ALL PRISON CELLS DOORS NATION WIDE AND LETS GO ON A 1 WEEK HUNT,TAKE OUT THE TRASH.. . TAKE OUT THE SCUM WHO WASTE OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY AND LIVE FOR FREE IN JAIL FOR RAPING KILLING OUR FAMILIES AND KIDS AND LOVED ONES.. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A GOOD CLEANSE.. WE NEED TO BEGIN TODAY..!!!
I GOT GUNS I GOT CARRY PERMITS.. I WANNA PROTECT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.. WHATS THE F****** PROBLEM?!!?!?!! SO SICK OF THIS BS OF IDIOTS SHOOTING UP CHURCHES,CONCERTS ,SCHOOLS ETC.. THATS NOT A TRUE AMERICAN AND MOST LIKELY CRIMINAL OR TERRORIST.. FOR USE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.. LEAVE US ALONE AND LET US FREEDOM TO BARE ARMS AND CARRY WHEREVER AND WHENEVER WE SEE FIT ALONG AS WE ARE ONLY BLASTING AND KILLING/SHOOTING THE THUGS AND CRIMINALS AND TRASH OF OUR SOCIETY, I SEE EVERYDAY THE MOVIE \”THE PURGE\” BECOMING MORE REALISTIC DAY BY DAY YEAR BY YEAR.. WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE SCUM OF THIS EARTH.. PUT GUNS IN HANDS OF ONLY THOSE WHO QUA;IFY TO CARRY LEGALLY.. OPEN ALL PRISON CELLS DOORS NATION WIDE AND LETS GO ON A 1 WEEK HUNT,TAKE OUT THE TRASH.. . TAKE OUT THE SCUM WHO WASTE OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY AND LIVE FOR FREE IN JAIL FOR RAPING KILLING OUR FAMILIES AND KIDS AND LOVED ONES.. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A GOOD CLEANSE.. WE NEED TO BEGIN TODAY..!!!lets go america!!!!
New Hampshire will make a lot of money from this. I still wouldn’t trust NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, IL, NYC or DC to honor this law. They will find a way to intimidate anyone who dares to carry in their jurisdictions. Remember, the law is whatever the cop on the scene thinks it should be. How does the House bill affect those who live in AK, KS, MO, MS, ME, WV, AZ, NH, VT, and those states such as WY, ND, ID where residents are not required to have permits?
Then the person that gets accosted by the offending agency and government has a duty to demand jury trial and then sues the living hell out of the offensive state city or county government, agency and officers / agents.
does anyone have a full list of the no voters?
I am really beginning to notice the side effects of Geoengineering with how many people are becoming mentally defective. Really!! Max Slowik, the author of this article, seems to be supporting this bill passing by down playing the effect of HR4470 the Feinstein-Cornyn(aka RINO) Brady Bill revised, connection, being attached with HR 38, the National Reciprocity Bill. I mean even people like Paul Ryan and other Republican leadership are selling-out the Second Amendment and our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves. I am so sorry you gutless Republicans can’t handle a little negative attention, “Lamestream Media” attention (Fake News). Obama could not even get a bill like this (National Registry) to pass while he was in office, why now? Turn-coat Republicans and the other Republicans, with no spine, who refuse to fight against such “Control,” selling us all out. And to “tjmcwi” you speak like a True Gun Grabber, willing to sacrifice Freedom for a Little Security, why are you even on this site?? This bill will be heading to the Senate as S.2135 and if we have as many spineless Republicans there as we do in the House we will be heading toward the ultimate Gun Control such as has been seen in Germany, China, Russia, and many other Socialist Countries that used the same technique to disarm their “subjects” and then slaughter millions in the name of “Socialism” by offering a little security for your freedom. We need to tell our Majority Republican Senate to vote this Whole Bill down, no compromise, no reaching across the isle except to slap some idiot upside the head who thinks control is a good idea.
You might wanna put a cork in it go back and check your FACTS! It was the Republicans in the House that PASSED this bill.
You may want to read the “Fix NICS” bill Democrats attached to it. Simple logic should tell you that if Diane Feinstein is involved, it can’t be good.
Dudley Brown of NAGR is urging gun owners to contact their U.S. Senators to VOTE AGAINST S.2135 — the “Feinstein-Cornyn” version of the Brady-NICS Gun Control Expansion Scheme. It seems that in the last minutes, prior to the bill coming to the floor of the House for a vote, Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, allowed the attachment of a leftist gun control legislation of Senators Feinstein and Cornyn to be attached to the Reciprocity Act of 2017 in order to get more votes for the bill in the U.S. Senate… I-D-10-T mistake!! He listened to Senator Mitch McConnel’s advice. Both Rep. Ryan and Sen. McConnel are true Republicrats 4 sho’.
It is sad we need federal legislation to give us back a right we already have.
We never gave up any RIGHTS and I’ve got over 22 million Veterans the will back me on that statement!
“ The argument against concealed-carry reciprocity is that some states have high standards for concealed-carry, and these states would have to recognize carry permits from states with very open standards.“.
Sorry there argument falls on deaf ears here. When Ca. hands out drivers licenses to illegal aliens ( that can’t read road signs or speak English ) , I’m forced to put up with those drivers in my state even though my state doesn’t do the same.
You are absolutely right. Nj is trying to pass a law to allow these undocumented criminals to drive and get a \”driver I\’d card\” without showing 6 points of identification. There\’s different standards in these police states where the citizen is treated like the criminal
Oh you mean like my commie run state… Wa.
Not only do they give licenses to illegals in Wa state, they are also allowed to vote. And no surprise… the state has become a rat infested hellhole with cholo gangs, wacko radical foreigners getting elected as politicians, and out of control taxes trying to pay for all the useless shitbags sucking off the system. We have at last best estimate 800k illegals in Wa state, and we unfortunately are one of the few states that is seeing surging numbers of illegals, because the illegal loving demoncraps that run the state give them sanctuary. So heres my question for all of you…
As a vet, I carried a rifle in defense of my nation, (not that you have to earn your citizenship, but Ive always felt that us vets have EARNED OUR CITIZENSHIP) anyways here in Wa State, I genuinly feel Im behind enemy lines, Im very literally surrounded by people who gleefully put my rights behind those who arent even citizens… So with that being said… IF THE STATE FEELS ITS OK, TO OPENLY AND WILLFULLY IGNORE LAWS TO PROTECT ILLEGALS (I.E. DEMOCRAT ILLEGAL VOTERS) THEN WHY SHOULD MYSELF, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER, FOLLOW A SINGLE LAW IN WA STATE? THE STATE IS SLAPPING US IN THE FACES, BY SHOWING US THAT LAWS ARE IN FACT ARBITRARILY APPLIED TO SOME GROUPS, BUT NOT OTHERS, THAT JUSTICE ISNT FAIR, AND THAT THE STATE IS PERFECTLY OK WITH MY CONSERVATIVE VOTE BEING COMPLETELY DILLUTED BY OVER 3/4 OF A MILLION ILLEGALS WHO ALL VOTE FOR DEMS. oh and speaking of recipeocity… once Wa gives illegals a license, it gives illegals easy access to the rest of the country because they now have a legal state issued id… and as they spread out throughout the country, which many just came to Wa to get license…guess what… many states only require drivers license to vote… I would bet my very life, that illegals are now voting in other states BECAUSE OF WA STATE. So, the question is…
In places declared “SANCTUARY” always by democrats by the way… give 1 reason why citizens should follow laws? As far as Im concerned as soon as they put illegals ahead of citizens, they broke our social contract.
california doesn’t ‘hand out’ driver’s licenses to anyone. everyone still has to pass the same tests. the point is to encourage drivers to learn the rules of the road, regardless of citizenship status, which makes the roads safer for all. that’s the point of driver’s licenses in the first place.
So, David, how’s that workin out for Kalifornia? Illegals learn the traffic laws, lower accident rates, illegals buying insurance? Yeah, sure they are
The point of drivers licenses is not about safety anymore. It was originally when nobody had ever driven a car before and to not scare the horses. Now it is just another source of revenue. And that is really all it is.
I could make the same exact argument. My CCW wasn’t just handed to me. I did 20 hours of class time and over 250 rounds of target shooting to qualify for my Cert.
And many others have spent an average of 4 years in the military service where our daily jobs required us to handle firearms, many of us achieving the level of Expert in all weapons we handle and we still had to prove our innocence in the same course that you civilians took!
Outside of your obvious trolling, driving is a privilege not a right. My 2A rights are inalienable, which means that if a state starts to permit my right, then they are in effect denying my rights simply because, if don’t comply with their rules, they can withhold my ability to exercise my 2A rights. A right delayed is a right denied. A right permitted isn’t a right at all.
EXACTLY! All for the foreigners and to heck with the citizens. That is what this state has been saying since Brown took office. They’ve already had them (illegals) filling public servant positions, and want them to vote. Well, gee! Let’s let the Taliban and ISIS, along with the North Koreans, vote in our elections.
As for the state’s CCW laws, they still highly restrict who may carry, and it has nothing to do with “high standards”. Jerry’s Cartel wants to be the first state to totally ban firearms, hunting, fishing, fossil fuels, and all the rest of the eco-Nazi agenda. Moonbeam seeks to establish his own kingdom and to name socialists from the progressive Democrats as his nobility. We the Serfs (who used to be We the People) mean nothing. Brown as mush as said so when he went off about complaints about the new gas tax and essentially said anyone who has a problem with it can shove it. His desire to create a ‘sanctuary state’ is another example, as is the state creating CaliforniaCare no matter what happens to ObamaCare. He ignores the federal authority and openly states that he will live up to treaties which are bad for America no matter what.
Whatever the state does, the metro areas will fall in line. The rural zones, however, will not give up our arms. The state has instituted a new mandate whereby ammo must be obtained through an FFL holder. We will circumvent that one way or another.
You all have the RIGHT to throw-off government tyranny, so, if I were you, I’d get to it!
Why not?. If you passed the requirements and were checked out in one state . Why can’t you be legal to carry in another? . I already carry nationally under HR 218. I can’t carry in a building that’s posted no firearms , in a govt. building, or if I’m under the influence.
Same here. All 50 states, D.C., and all US Territories, and with the same kinds of restrictions.
Might want to check that building marked, “no carrying of firearms” because many states have made that illegal.
This all good. Now the Senate will bastardize the good work done by the House. It’s going be all or nothing once again. No one will recognize the original bill and I will still be trapped in the Soviet Socialist States of New England.
Why aren’t you reporting on the full bill?? This bill is not good at all. Back on Dec 4th the morons otherwise known as Democrats merged this bill with HR4477. It’s a gun grabbers wet dream. We need to vote this down now!! HR4477 for those who don’t know is a revised bill of the NICS program. 2A lawyers have looked over this bill and said it’s an absolute nightmare of gray areas and “open to interpretation”. You need to check out the Military Arms Channel on what HR4477 is really about.
I just want to know what idiot is reporting that this is good news?? He’s either really stupid or he’s a communist.
You are correct. The reciprocity bill is bad in and of itself due to the fact that it cites the commerce clause of the constitution. Concealed carry is a noncommercial activity; regulating it federally under the commerce clause is a very slippery slope and will certainly lead to further encroachment under the commerce clause (which uncle feels gives cart blanche to any and all fed intrusions into any aspect of life). We should all be urging our senators to vote against this insidious bill. I mean if Feinstein and Pelosi are for it, how can it be anything but a big shit sandwich?
The democrats in my state are more than okay with voting for our two republican senators. That’s how they got where they are. Because of that it became imperative that I send my correspondence to President Trump. Could be a good idea for a lot of people who believe this country is still worth saving.
Buck in Arizona
The 2nd is my Permit and need nothing ELSE per Supreme Court Ruling, 1803 – “A law CONTRARY to the CONSTITUTION is VOID.” This means, unconstitutional laws passed by Congress or declared by Presidential edict are NOT VALID.
That may be true but, unfortunately, you will still find yourself behind bars for a few years while they “sort things out”.
Pass this law but enforce the laws we already have, no new ones lefties. There are enough of them and many, (background checks) are not done sufficiently. Many lives would have been saved if gov. did their job. LV idiot would have been stopped dead in his tracks.
I do agree on a national registry but make it for the people by the people. I as a citenzin I don’t want a mentally unstable person to be with a loaded weapon or a hot headed short tempered idiot having a bad day meeting some inacent famlliy on a road rage moment. I do think anyone responsible to carry concealed should also be responsible to pass background checks and even qualify to do so just like law inforcement. It’s a huge responsibility to one day pullout a loaded firearm ready to perhaps take a life. I do think we as a nation have the constitutional rite to bare arms but as a reasonable adult realize there must be some common secnse used we do live in some scary uncertain times I just think we do need to think this through and get it rite the first time cause for some there will be no second time.
Hell NO to a National Registry. If the Communist/Socialist/Democrats ever get full control, the first thing will do is what Hitler did and confiscate every weapon that is registered. I also think that people should be able to spell or at least us frick’n spell check so they do not look like more of an idiot than they are. ‘Hint, hint’
The only thing that police do for firearms training is a week or two at the most one in class and one on the range. Most of these individuals never touched a firearm before them. I know, because I was in Law Enforcement.
I think you mean “use” frick’n spell check.
Hell NO to national registry of ANY type. Just look at places like California and New York City where they had registration of firearms. Now they pass a new law that says you cant own certain ones and guess what, they already know who has them and where ! In the case of NYC in the 1990s, they passed a law and you had 90 days to “dispose” of them legally and show proof that you did. There was NO grandfathering at all ! Now, because of registration of everything, NYC is making people that have long arms permanently modify them to 5 rounds or less and prove that you did. If you cant, then turn them in or sell to a dealer. SO, WHY EXACTLY WOULD I WANT ANY TYPE OF NATIONAL REGISTRATION ?? In the case of “permits”, just look at some of the traffic stop issues in places like Maryland where people that had CWP. Maryland had a system that was able to troll the databases of other states to include some CWP holders. People were pulled over and had cars searched for weapons for NO VALID REASON ! Some were detained for HOURS while they searched for weapons that were at home. AGAIN, NO THANKS !
So what your saying is disarm the police. Because, its the police here in Wa state that are wackos, hot heads, drunk on duty, high on duty, cops who even when off duty, get drunk at sports events, then gang up and beat and attack civilians, then when on duty shows up… guess who goes to jail, the poor civilian the drunk cops jumped… or they show up at a domestic violence call, and shoot family dog, punch kids in face, and then shoot parents. In case of emergency, cops is last call. Im more scared of cops, than terrorists, isis, or N.Korea nuking us. Cops can and will kill you, and they are almost never held accountable, unless of course the person shot was a black criminal in the commission of a crime, then there will be outrage in the liberal media… if a white guy gets killed… crickets.
Yeah… Im all for disarming cops!
Besides, you should be responsible for your own safety… if you carry, your safe. Dialing 911 and waiting, will only get you a chalk outline.
What happens if this law passes, what does it mean were permitted? if I am traveling in a car and get pulled over in a state like NY or Mass will I still be legal? or be arrested
No, you won’t be legal if that state does not have concealed carry. You’re only going to be legal if that state has a conceal carry law. I believe Hawaii has no concealed carry law. So you wouldn’t be legal there.
Not the way I read it. If you have a concealed carry license in any state, the you can conceal carry in ALL states. Per the requirements of the state has no concealed carry law, then it has no concealed carry requirements. This is so if you drive through that state (Blue) to get to another (Red) you cannot (should not) be braking any related laws.
Every state,save Vermont has CCW laws on the books. Some like Hawaii, NJ,NY etc. just don’t issue many. But the point is they DO have CCW laws which means they would have to honor federal law should this pass. Or they could choose to eliminate CCW altogether. That might be funny as it would affect the rich,famous and connected the most.
The bills should be split.! If reciprocity comes at the price of due process then it’s a step backwards for Constitutional law in this country. Bureaucrats violating reasonable expectations of privacy safeguards to use against law abiding citizens is unacceptable. Due process ensures each individual case can be judged on its own merits and not on blanket regulations.! ALL FREE MEN have the right to protect themselves.! There will always be law breakers and senseless shootings. It is the price we pay for personal freedom..
What about a mental crazy “FREE MAN”
Ok, smart alec… Don’t be any more asinine than necessary.
There are ALREADY a number of laws in existence (“on the books” and eminently enforceable!) that make ANY citizen who has been formally adjudicated as mentally incompetent a “prohibited person,” who cannot legally possess a firearm.
What the hell else do you want? A second (identical) law that tells criminals that their ownership of a firearm is “really” illegal? Or perhaps a third (identical) law that tells those criminals that their ownership of a firearm is “really, really” illegal? Or perhaps a fourth (identical) law that tells those criminals that their ownership of a firearm is “really, really, really!” illegal?
About time. Now, we just need to clear DC (“Douche City”) of the thieving Republican traitors, Clinton Cabal members, and all the pedophiles.
What I Want To Know, Is Who are these couple few Republicans that keep Voting NO. They Need Too Go! Love This Bill. It’s the way it should be!
Have any of you read this bill as passed? Feinstein and Schumer added an amendment to the bill. This amendment adds millions of dollars for expenses background checks. It also makes it possible for government entities to revoke ones right to own a fire without due process. They will simply be able to say you are unfit.
Feinstein and Schumer added nothing to this bill. They are in the Senate. This is the House bill.
It doesn’t make it easier for someone to get a ccl. You can’t use a ccl from another state unless you’re from that state. So I could use my Florida ccl in California with my Florida driver license but I can’t use a Florida ccl with a California driver license.
Not true. I’m surprised you are unaware of Florida’s CCL since it appears you reside there. Florida offers nonresident CCL. I should know…I have one. It is not tied to a driver’s license. You can legally carry in Florida with this nonresident CCL and also all states who have reciprocity with Florida regardless of what drivers license you hold.
I think the bill is going to be very difficult to muster the 60 votes needed in the Senate. The next attempt should be trying to enact or establish a federal firearms permit administered by the Federal government. Truly our second amendment rights should be insured and guaranteed by the Supreme Court by forcing all 50 states compliance.
hard to say. there will be some democrats from red states that vote for it, as there were in the house. question is whether there will be enough to put it over the top.
Constitutional Carry is the only way to go. Anything else means your right to bear arms is a privilege granted to you by government.
It is a right, per the second amendment, not simply a privilege. But I get your point. However, open carry is always subject to “Disturbing the Peace” BS.
The left just can’t ever seem to tell the truth. You won’t be able to get a permit in another state and then carry in the state you live in because you have to have a permit from our own state before you can get a permit in another state. The rest is just the same tired old lies they have been trotting out for years. The police are against this, no we are not. With over 20 years on the job I can tell you most street cops are not against this. There are some politically appointed chiefs and commissioners who have to prostitute themselves to their political masters against this but not the majority of the rank and file. The blood in the streets argument has been raised every time a state passed shall issue, open, or constitutional carry and guess what, nothing happened. The left cried there would be blood in the streets when HR218 passed (giving active & retired police the right to carry across state lines). Nothing happened. If this passes the senate, nothing will happen, except more crying and hand wringing from the left.
That is not accurate. The Senate bill specifically says that permits are not (necessarily) valid in your home state. However, the House bill which passed does let anyone get any permit and possess and carry in any state – including their own. Mind you, this doesn’t mean you can automatically buy a handgun in your home state. But while certain make you jump through hoops to do so, no state actually denies anyone for lack of “proper cause”. So basically, if you live in NYC, you get a premises permit and then get a non-resident permit from another state and you can carry in NYC. I think perhaps they went too far here. There may be a few Democrat Senators who would support the bill (albeit reluctantly) if States could still deny their own citizens the right to bear arms…
*** you have to have a permit from our own state before you can get a permit in another state ***
i have a nonresident permit from a state i don’t live in, and no permit from my home state.
This legislation is LONG overdue. Anyone who legally carries assumes heavy responsibilities under the law; civil and criminal.
If you are knowingly and willingly accepting those responsibilities, then State lines are irrelevant. I simply recommend that the government makes every effort to be sure that those folks who decide to carry, understand the ramifications and responsibilities that go along with having a deadly weapon, and what will happen if you decide to use it. There are many people who deserve that right (to carry) and unfortunately, some who probably don’t. But everyone should clearly know the legal consequences of using deadly force….for real.
Now stop the need for renewal…..once issued, the permit should be good for life or until the holder does something that justifies rescinding it!! The need to be re-tested and pay additional fees for a Constitutional right is criminal, the initial hoop jumping is more than enough!!
Renewing generates money for states like every thing else, I agree it should be life time unless you break the law then you lose it
You must live in Maryland. As a CCP holder here we have to go through the whole process every three years. As part of the extremely complicated process we have to sign an “Authorization to Release information” form whereby the applicant must turn over access to all our personal financial, medical, employment, and educational records and hold the State of Maryland Harmless so they can use our personal information in any way they deem fit. A gross invasion of privacy by the State directed solely against those law-abiding citizens that want to exercise their second amendment rights.
I don’t think getting a license in a state that has less severe rules for getting a permit and carrying in your home state will be a problem. In fact, there should have been something in the law stating that you must have a permit from your primary state of residence. Apparently there isn’t. I can see states passing laws stating that you must have a permit from them to carry IF your primary residence is in that state. The reciprocity law wasn’t intended to override states that make it hard to get permits, but to let travelers carry across lines.
It would be unlawful to interfere with states rights(10th Amendment). This law alllows you to get a permit in a gun friendly state and that permit must be honored by all states including your home state. In other words, if your home state won’t issue like NY or NJ they don’t have to but another state can.
And many of us believe that the 2nd trumps the 10th, with the wording “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and BEAR arms shall NOT be infringed”.
Since NO State nor municipality can or will guarantee individual safety, and the SCOTUS had affirmed that they cannot be held liable for that, it’s YOUR own personnel responsibility to do so.
Therefore, by NOT allowing carry, the State has defacto taken away your natural right to fight for your life and safety.
Simply put, the States that don’t allow carry have rendered your natural and enumerated right as null and void in open defiance to Constitutional Law.
How you, or anyone else, cannot see this is beyond logic.
Ok, so what about drivers license reciprocity? Sanctuary states like Wa, were I live are issuing licenses to illegals, who then use their license as ID to vote DEMOCRAT. Doesnt this violate other states rights? Since the state is intentionally ignoring imigration and voting laws?
There’s no evidence of illegal immigrants using licenses to vote. That’s fake news.
Nice work.
This country is now involved in WWIII with citizens against citizens – groups against groups.
Sadly, this is the truth.
Be safe to all.
I do not think we are at war with our citizens.
I think everyone that wants to carry a concealed weapon,should go through a heavy background check,like i did,it took me 5 month till I finally got it.
None of the gangs in Chicago killings have a permit,somehow they do get guns to kill each other.
I say every clean record person should have the right to carry.
BUT MUST BE A VERY CLOSE AND REAL BACKGROUND CHECK
I’d rather they pass neither if that NICS bill is attached to it!! Its not just enforcement of laws we already have its aimed at disarming our Veterans and anyone they see fit without any due process! If ex girlfriend wants to say ex boyfriends is dangerous just to be spiteful he may lose his rights without any due process or even knowing! Or if a Dr deems someone “unfit” they may lose rights without any appeal process to correct! If you look deeper into this bill its NOT worth passing reciprocity bill if this sham bill is attached. Contact your Rep and demand they split these bills up and push for our hearing/suppressors bill that Paul Rhino jerked out of legislation!
The only part of nix that needs fixed is for them to do their dam jobs properly of dissolve the atd altogether. Its a dam shame that they cant deny an obvious threat to the public from firearms purchase yet want more broad overreaching power to deny people that havnt had due process/a day in court.
Wonderful? So to get anything passed (and questionable as it is) the idiots include a big fat XMAS present to Pelosi? yeah, no.
The “…follow state and local laws…” is the catch. IIRC, in Chicago, you cannot carry within 1,000 feet of a school, church, government building and several others. What’s the point?
you still need background check to get permit …all states should toughen up on background checks and mental
status of applicant…anti-gun groups , get use to it …it will become the law
After this Bill was passed in Congress, the FrankenFeinstein NICS FIX rider was added to the Bill. This addition is nasty and will make it illegal for any one on Social Security who has someone else do their investing or take over their finances deemed mentally unfit by the Social Security Administration, even if they are mentally stable unqualified to own a gun.. Listened to Paul Gosar of Arizona on a radio show and he was saying that someone who was a day trader had someone else investing his money and found out that he is no longer legally able to own a gun because of the Social Security administration law that was illegally put in by the Homo African Racist Mudscum/mudslime Socialist (HARMS) who occupied the oval mosque before Trump.
“Homo African Racist Mudscum/mudslime Socialist (HARMS) who occupied the oval mosque before Trump.”
Let your arguments live or die on their own merits. The over the top name calling just causes others to ignore everything before or after.
Four of the 14 republicans that voted Nay for H.R 38.
Amash, Buck, Costello (PA)
Curbelo (FL)
Donovan, Fitzpatrick, Gohmert, King (NY)
Lance, Massie, Meehan, Ros-Lehtinen, Roskam, and Smith (NJ)