Kingston Armory (website coming in two weeks) had a couple of intriguing rifles at SHOT Show this year. How does a .22 LR Garand or M14/M1A style rifle suite you? Well Kingston Armory is in the process of making them. These look like excellent fun guns with a heaping dose of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.
These were pretty slick. The actions are based of the Ruger 10/22 and use Ruger magazines. The receivers are made from steel. They also really look like the rifles they were inspired by, at least until you look at the action. No top loading here.
They were a bit lighter than the real thing, but we were told they were going to add a bit of weight to get them closer to the originals. The metal was parkerized and the stocks were oiled. The examples they had at SHOT were prototypes. We were told there were a few small changes that would be made to the production guns, but they should be rolling out soon.
Kingston expect the first production of the Garand to be ready in late spring and has promised us a review sample. The M1A will follow at a later date. These are going to be great guns for Garand fans. Assuming the rimfire shortage continues to get better, you could shoot one of these all day long for next to nothing–and you won’t be adding wear to your original.
The MSRP will be around $700.
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Since I own 2 actual Garands I thought it would be cool to get one from the Kingston armory in .22….I placed a paid in full order at my local shop in April of 2016 and it is now October and they still don’t know when they will ship the rife. Apparently they are waiting for a few parts that they can’t get..(I was told by their rep)..I asked that as a armory, don’t they have machinists that can make the “part”. Response was, unfortunately no and our estimate is yet another 6 months as a guess before it ships…I truly don’t believe I will see this gun . I am so on the fence to put my money towards something else..
I would have no problem paying $700 for one of these and actually like the fact that they attempt to replicate the weight as well. I’m hoping these become available soon.
Thank you for the comments. I am a retired citizen and NRA Life member for several years. I did receive my Marksmanship Merit Badge as a Boy Scout. Just recently I have been actively building an armory and munitions with a focus on the historical relevance of the bullets to be fired. My .357 is a Charter Arms Bulldog Tracker. My .30-06 is a beautiful CMP Service Grade M1 Garand which I outfitted with an M7 leather sling. As of yet I have not fired either which I suspect reflects greatly upon me. Before pursuing pistols this M1 replica in 22LR does pique my interest. Although, a 22LR bolt action with which I qualified for my Marksmanship Merit Badge may be a more suitable option for my armory. Any thoughts regarding the one 22LR rifle that you would have in your armory would be appreciated, including me moving to another blog.
What’s wrong with the Garand training rifle: the mod 65 H & R Reising in 22 lr? The perfect setup without any alterations. Somebody should reintroduce this beauty.
Well, I see that jackthedog recently sold a mod 65 H&R Reisling in 22LR for $999 on gunauction.com. I’m thinking maybe a Kingston M14 in 22LR might be a good addition to my arsenal.
I love these ingenious answers to questions I’ve never heard anyone ask. Now if they made it scaled down for a youngster (3/4 or 7/8 scale), gave up on this idea of making it as heavy as the M1, and brought the price point down to around 5 Benjamins or less, I know a bunch of folks who’d line up to pre-order for grand-kids, etc. As it is, I know some sentimental types who’ll leap for the currently-planned version, so it’s great that they’re leading off with it. I just believe that they’d enjoy a much broader market for a smaller, less expensive version that a 10 year old kid can fire offhand.
Personally, I’m now inspired to get out into the shop with a blued Mini-14 and see if I can make a 7/8 scale “one-off” .223 imitation Garand for my wife, who shares my reverence for “the finest battle implement ever devised” but cares not for what she perceives as the unwieldy weight, cumbersome size, and discomforting recoil my CMP rack grade M1 presents her.
Either way, good on ya, Kingston!
About 15 years ago, Roland Beaver offered a similar rifle for sale based on the M1 design using the Ruger 10-22 barreled action. He had the proto-type displayed at a Garand Collectors Convention and was taking orders. I believe 5 total were produced. 4 of the 5 were purchased by friends of mine. They were very well made and extremely accurate. The asking price back then was around $900. It will be interesting to see how well these rifles are received and the quality.
Another answer to a question never asked.
If this rifle uses modified Boyd stocks with replica hardware as reported elsewhere, then that adds about $180 to the final cost.
Looks like fun. Have a lot of fun with grand children with .22 replicas. Gives them a chance to relive history without the ammo expense and in areas where full calibers aren’t practical. Agree a little pricey, anyone talking about $700 garands hasn’t been to a gun show lately! Also .22 caliber ammo will be back, especially when you guys quite hoarding it.I think they look like fun. Hope they can get price down some.
700.00 is ridiculous, It’s too much for a .22 magnum as well. The only way I will have one of these desirable rifles is if some ridiculously wealthy relative sends me one as a gift, which is a possibility since everyone in the family knows of my love for the .22 cal. really though. this is just too much for this. There is no curiosity factor here, a 10/22 is a 10/22. We know them, we love them, they are not 700.00
Why isn’t somebody making M-1 Garnads? Not .22 lr, real rifles! I mean this is a cute toy, but $700!? You got to be kidding me. They could make it in .308 or hell even 7.62X39 or 5.56 but a real caliber for god’s sake!
While making these 2 great rifles in .22LR, I think trying to make the weight realistic is a bit of a stretch. I’m not sure I’m gonna want a 9lb rifle chambered in .22LR.
Also, maybe later down the road, they could make these in .22WMR or maybe .17HMR. Course, where do we stop? I do believe the magazine should hold a bit more than 10 rnds. I’ve got a 10/22 and my next purchase is gonna be a couple of 25 round mags.
I also like this idea but $700.00 will keep me from getting a couple for my grandsons. I had always hoped that some one would bring out a 3/4 scale MI rifle and the idea of an M14 sits well with me. Either 7.62×39 or .223 is a nice idea but then you would have Ruger’s Mini 14.
I can’t believe the comments from some of you keyboard commandos. The rifle is meant to be a loose replica, not a counterfit. In .22lr it comes in handy to practice at short range or a pistol range where 30-06 isnt allowed. Yes you might get a 10/22 for around $200. But not with authentic M1 steel sights, GI WALNUT stock and a STEEL RECEIVER. Go find a AMT 25/22 rifle (10/22 rifle with a steel receiver) and see what they go for used. For the blind and lazy, Midway is selling CCI standard velocity for about $35 for 500. See what it cost to reload 500rnds of 06. As for the other whiners, nobody is complaining about the many companies that are doing brisk business in .22lr AR-15s, conversion kits and .22lr uppers and 1911 .22 conversion kits either. I do have a M1 type 1 NM. I’d like to have this .22. I’ll sell anyone that wants it, my almost new 10/22 for what I paid $240 to buy this .22 M1
Keyboard commando here. You can sell me your National Match M-1 for the $700 they want for these .22s. Still sound like a good idea to you?
It’s a cool idea sorta like the Reising 65 and MC 58 trainers. But the real M1 is a serious hunk of ordnance – great for a 19 year old soldier or marine to drag around and do PT with, but not so great for grandpa and other friends who would like to shoot it. It’s not anything like a set of golf clubs or horseshoes. If you handle it enough, it feels good in your hands, but it takes some practice and strength in the hands to load and manipulate. A serious heavy-weight copy is a bad idea.
The Ruger-type action is not just a 10-22, but probably an off-patent derivative that benefits from that timeless design. Good choice. My thoughts wouldn’t sell rifles, but I would envision it slightly reduced in size and a couple of pounds lighter than the Garand, but with a solid heavy feel. The walnut stock(s) is a good idea, and definitely a quality feature.
I agree with the others with hope of these shooting as well as the old 06s. Those old rifles and the iron sights shoot great. Got to love the rear site on the very back of the receiver. No body does this anymore.
Now on them adding to the weight of these heck I don’t want one of these in a rim fire that is 9 to 10 pounds…
I understand the mock up of the center fire but dang I want one of these time fired that would be much lighter but look like the center fire…
From what I can both look very interesting. Good luck Kingston.
Did James007 ever take an English class>
Will these have the last round bolt hold open?
I hope they come with Tech-Sights or some steel type sights, vs. cheap plastic sights.
Any idea if they will be at NRA in Nashville in April?
Although I do appreciate the salute to the Garand & M1A, I think this little gun will pass away quietly. It is only another overpriced and overdressed 10/22 and I have enough of those. Collecting historic firearms for me means experiencing what those firearms were like to carry and fire. A 10/22 is not even close to the real thing. I’ll keep my real M1 and salute my grandfather with each bruise. For me, no poser .22 can compare to the fun of firing a true historic battle rifle.
Did you that M1 garand is from?……..it is a real 30 caliber rifle and it is a very expensive to fired that rifle in the military services for any reasons……..this rifle the ones you were talking about putting a new .22 caliber on that M1 garand rifle?……Nope…….you cannot do that way because it does not work well enough to fired that rifle the problem is that is was supposed to be .30 caliber NOT .22……..because the 8 rounds clips .22 CAL does not fit on that rifle that’s a problem………and especially M14 rifle is the same problem too……….:)
James 007 — What brand of cheap whisky were you drinking when you wrote your comment??? Try again when you land!!!
Make the M1A1 with a 25rd mag in side the box mag.
A .22lr the same size and weight of a Garand or an M14? Are you kidding?
My first impression was that these were in a scaled down size…maybe something similar in size to a 10-22. That would be something fun and worth considering. Overall it’s a neat idea with a very poor execution.
Looks like fun, but again, why bring out new guns in .22LR when there is no ammo? When ammo become available and affordable again, I will buy another .22LR firearm, not until. I can’t feed the ones I have now, why buy more to become safe queens? If I were Ruger or one of the other manufacturers that has been making $ hand over fist for the last decade I would be investing in ammo production to feed my sales.
Instead of messing with all these .22’s, can somebody please re-make the .30 cal M1 Carbine with existing blueprints!? And not some auto-ordnance nightmare either. 700.00 of a .22!? No way. Make an new M1 for 700.00, and they won’t be able to keep them in stock.
Okay, so they look cool, but I already have a 10/22 with a wood stock and it has Garand action so why would I want to spend a bunch of money on a modified rifle when I can just stick with the proven article?
I would be interested in a Garand.
For $700 you can by a REAL M-1. 30-06 ammo is priced fairly and in good supply!!! A youngster shooting off a bench rest can handle a M-1. Why not buy the Real Deal. For $700. I can buy 3 Ruger 10 /22’s and still have $100. left to buy some OVER PRICED 22 ammo IF I CAN FIND IT. I would say these rifles are OVERPRICED.
1st the finned shotgun, and now the Garand .22. @ $700.00.
NEXT!….before my head blows up
Cute . . . would rather put what ever it cost towards an actual CMP Garand Field/Service and have something that will only go up in value, “Shoot all day” and “adding wear to original” wrote by some one that has never touched a Garand. TRY and wear one out. Unless you shoot Perry and practice every week – it aint gonna happen . . .
Go to CMP.come and buy a REAL Garand for less than $700 bucks.
I agree. Why? I don’t need an overly heavy 22. My Ruger and Browning takedown are perfect. I lugged an M1 around enough since 7th grade in military school in the 60s.
Looks good from a distance, but the toy bolt ain’t the same as the most defining feature of the real thing. Next will be a .50 cal ma deuce in .22 short.
LOL. It would be big and quiet.
Funny you mentioned this, I saw just that at the gun show at Oaks, PA today. A .22 version of a 50 cal MA, 900 rps. Not sure how it was fed and at $12,000 I’m thinking it’s a slow seller to say the least. Novel looking but not really a must have on any level for any type of collector in my opinion.
Whats the point here? I have some M14 stocks, and a 10/22, I could build my own. But why?
If it is built with the ruger 1022 action, (which is a great action) why does it cost so much more? I dont appreciate being taken !! I think I would like to own one, but I will spend less money and buy TWO ruger 1022’s.
I can buy THREE 10-22s for that price: they’re $234.00 at Walmart.
In all reality, it cost me right at $500 to build my M1 Carbine Tribute 10-22, so $700 is a bit high.
M1 Tribute parts list: 10-22 Carbine $234, FunGun M1 fake mag extension $20, Tech Sights $70, JWH Oversized Extended Charging Handle $25, M1/10-22 Tribute stock $119, M1 Magazine pouch, oiler and sling $20.
Make them as a kit, let people supply their own 10-22 and buy the other parts and stock as their budget allows; they’ll probably sell a whole lot more of them that way.
I agree that it is cheaper and actually more enjoyable when you DIY. I built my own M1 Carbine version and took real “Garand” parts and a 24″ Ruger barrel and built a full size “Garand” for less than 500.
Interesting rifle.To bad its comming out when 22 ammo is at an all time high and hard to find. $700.00, I’ll have to pass om this one.
Nice idea! I agree with some of the other comments concerning price- looks to be a $200 10/22 cover. They could have easily designed their own Garand type clip that’s inserted from the top. And the M1A – a 10 round 10/22 magazine attached to the top of a big hollow box, why not a 30 round magazine made to look like the M1A box mag? IMHO they look way too expensive for not much more than a 10/22 cover.
Should have made it in .223 🙂
Cute, but I don’t see the point. Why make anything in .22 LR? I haven’t been able to buy .22 ammunition for 4 years now. Letters to manufacturers have gone unanswered as to why. At least I can still buy and reload 30.06 for my real Garand…for now anyway.
can’t find .22LR? you aren’t looking in the right place. http://www.wikiarms.com is the place to look. I was like you until I found it. Now I have LOTS of .22lr at relatively cheap prices.
My local Wal Mart has .22 LR. Not a problem getting it.
where do you live? The Walmark’s in Maryland will not sell them by the brick and they are getting anywhere from $8.00 FOR 50 RDS TO $13.00 FOR 100 RDS You have to get there at 7am and they are sold outby 7:30 am.
where do you live? The Walmark\’s in Maryland will not sell them by the brick and they are getting anywhere from $8.00 FOR 50 RDS TO $13.00 FOR 100 RDS You have to get there at 7am and they are sold outby 7:30 am.
I used to work for Remington Arms Sporting Amunitions Plant .we could buy ammo from our employee stores a lot cheaper but due to the circumstansces , as a retired employee we can no longer buy like that. We can still buy the ammo but we have to buy the case instead of by the box. I feel like $ 20.00 for a brick of 500 rounds is to much . but s….t happens and we all have to pay the price.
WHAT IS A REASONABLE PRICE FOR 22LR? I WILL NOT PAY MORE THAN .08 PER ROUND INCLUDING SHIPPING. AT THAT PRICE 22LR IS HARD TO FIND. THERE IS PLENTY OUT THERE AND EVERY SELLER JUST WANTS TO RAPE YOU. PUT A NOTIFY MSG IN AT MIDWAY AND KEEP ON TOP OF UR EMAIL. THERE IS SOME SELLERS THAT ARE HONEST JUST NOT TOO MANY. i HAVE A M-1 22LR FROM CHIAPPA ARMS AND I LOVE IT.
Dennis, I own one M14/M1A, two M1 Garands and a 10/22 rifle among other firearms. You brought up a good point by wondering why a 10/22 that looks like a M1 or an M1A would appeal to a buyer. One could buy any one of the multitude of .22 caliber semi-automatic rifles on the market and shoot a lot cheaper than with rifles using reloaded 30-06 or .308 ammunition, even with the current prices of the .22 caliber ammo. Then what is the point of these look alike clones?
What the manufacturer is trying to do is appeal to the nostalgia feelings of the potential customers. These customers want to shoot cheap ammunition, (when the ammo manufacturers finally catch up with .22 cal. demand), in a rifle that looks like one of the two military icons from the WWII and Vietnam eras. It’s really nothing more than an expensive visual thing. At $700.00, I think that the nostalgia appeal will wear thin pretty quick.
By the way, I can buy 500 round bricks of .22 caliber ammo at any store that sells sporting goods in the Syracuse, New York area for under $20.00 a brick. That includes the Gander Mountain and Walmart stores. The catch is that the new S.A.F.E. gun law in New York State requires us to undergo a N.I.C.S. phone call every time we wish to buy ammo. I live close enough to the Pennsylvania border so I just skip down there and buy the ammo and drive back. What can I say? I’m paranoid about the government, any government knowing about the ammunition that I purchase.
Sportsmanguide.com has .22s all the time, some are expensive, some are reasonably priced. I get them all the time. Just ordered a bunch of 50 round boxes at $3.00 per box, recently bought a brick of 500 for $25.00. Not pre-Hording prices but not bad. You just have to visit the site frequently to find the best deals and there’s ALWAYS a free shipping code, just Google “sportsmansguide free shipping”.
AWESOME! Now make one in .223 and 762×39.
How about one in .22 Mag if it’s going to be a rimfire. I’d go for one in 7.62×39.
This is good but idea but is lousy price for a rifle that ammo is hard to get. 22 ammo has an inflated price and hard to find in my area. With all this its the last rifle I would consider due to the $700 price tag. I can get a superb 10/22 for half the cost.
Most excellent idea. Our historic firearms need preservation. This concept will get a lot of people to have fun and get others to see these as positive items. Keep up the good work!
Excellent, you get everything but the jolt to the shoulder and the old “M1 thumb”, two times,fire one and preserve the other….$700.00 bucks,unbelievable ….reserve two for me……
They look great!
But the price seems a bit steep.
A new Ruger10/22 costs $200.00.
They should be priced at about $300.00- $350.00
For $700.00 I could buy a real Garand!
700 for a garand would be a wall hanger! I have had a lot of garands. I built most of them. Parts kits are at least $900. I would buy one for $700. Just hope they are as accurate as the garand!
You can buy a service grade M1 Garand for $730 shipped to your door. Mine was in excellent shape with little wear. $700 for a rim fire copy is too much when they are so many real Garands out there at the same price point.
When did you buy your Garand. Where did you get it? I would get one for that price.
Outside of CMP, and even they are running out of Garands, where are you finding one for $730?
Please don’t use cheap plastic sights like the Chiappa M1 Carbine. I like the rifle but the cheap plastic sights are a real negative to me.
Another item the cheapens the overall look is the use of the (small) stock 10-22 bolt charging handle; I bought an oversized extended charging handle for my M1 Carbine Tribute 10-22 from JWH.com and it looks as close to the real thing as you can get. C’mon Kingston, for $700 you can put an authentic looking bolt handle on it…. Check them out: JWH Custom Parkerized Extended Charging Handle. Less than $25 0n Ebay.
I like what I have seen here I will be wanting on the list to purchase. I am a rimfire junkie so try and get the ones that have history such as the garand and the m1a.
Not too much, I suppose, could be done to improvise on the M-14 magazine. However, I don’t see why a 8-round .22 clip couldn’t be cost-effectively made that loaded and ejected from the top, in keeping with the original. This would be much more appealing.
I like the idea of using the Ruger 10/22 clip.
I agree what is the point of bying this just to have a more expensive 10/22. If it loaded like a m1 then mabe I might want to by one. I have a M1 and to me this is a disappointment. Besides for 700 you can probably fined a real one for the same price. You can find 3006 @ stores you can’t find 22.
I agree completely.
Can’t safely do a stripper clip, or an en-bloc clip like the original M1, with rimfire ammo. In addition to the safety issues with potentially damaged rims containing priming compound, there would be the jamming problems when trying to feed a rimmed top cartridge whose rim is behind the rim of the cartridge next in line. That is why rimfire mag feed channels always have a slant – to keep the rims from locking up on each other.
Kingston has done a good thing with these two designs for those of us that collect and shoot military rifles. I do hope that series production will bring the price down some; but even so, I can see myself getting one of each, at least. Will they have bayonets and slings to go with?
I can’t wait,one for my son & one for me.
It would be nice to have a mag incert for a 25 round mag…
Since the actual magazine that locks into the rifle IS a 10-22 magazine, any of the Ruger and after-market larger cpacity mags should lock in and feed. They won’t look authentic, but they will work.