  The Glock 21 Gen 4 is not an entirely new animal compared to its predecessor the G21-TF, or “Thin Frame.” It is the same width, but the grips are more secure yet less abusive on the hand, and it has the Gen 4 dual spring system for a different recoil feel that is very manageable. The Gen 4 guns also come with two extra mags.  The biggest outward change you’ll notice on the Gen 4 guns is the RTF, or Rough Textured Finish. This new version has a much less abrasive feel to it while being more secure feeling.  This is the dual captured spring system that you find on all the Gen 4 guns. From a physics standpoint, you can’t technically change the recoil of a gun without adding to the weight, but the way recoil is directed, and over how much time during the shot has been changed by this added spring, and the gun is extremely manageable.  If this is your first double stack .45 in a Glock, I suggest you go try one out at a range, or at least go hold one for a while in a gunshop. It is substantially thicker than a 9mm Glock, though it doesnt’ feel as thick as many 1911 doublestacks I have tried over the years.  Even though the .45 is thicker, and even though I generally prefer the 9mm version, my not overly large hands line up perfectly with the controls on the G21 Gen 4. The gun fits me well.  This is the Double Tap MK1 holster they made me for my G21 Gen 4. It was too tight at first but they fixed it quickly and now it works great. This is an outside the wasteband pistol holster. I am law enforcement so ultra-concealability isn’t an issue. The curve of the Kydex holster and the way it is inset is good enough for me. The ten degree cant is standard.  I found the backstrap that comes with the gun to be just perfect for my hand, but if you have a very long hand and prefer a thick double stack feel, the G21 does come with two extra backstraps. You push a pin at the top out and the grips hook into the bottom.  As someone new to carrying a doublestack .45, especially in a Glock, the G21 Gen 4 feels like second nature already to me. I prefer to carry a Glock after all these years, and the added firepower of 13+1 rounds of .45 ACP, plus an extra two mags on my belt, never hurts. This was the BlackHawk holster I started with, but I prefer the Double Tap I am using now. Ultimately the choice is yours and you’ll have to look around to see what you are comfortable with. It is nice to know that there are good options, and so far in my experience the G21 Gen 4 is a great option for both duty belt and concealed carry, and I now carry mine every day. |
Glock Perfection
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By Brian Jensen
At SHOT Show 2012 a little while back we got a brief look at the Gen 4 version of the Glock 21. Fortunately for me, I had just purchased a new Gen 4 G21 just a few days prior to the show, and we can now get a chance to look at it from a more “hands on” point of view.
First Impressions
Once I pulled the G21 from the Glock box, I noticed some differences right away from my earlier Gen 3 guns. First off, the grip has the characteristic nibs that Glock calls “polymids” set in the familiar RTF, or “Rough Textured Finish” pattern. Actually feeling the Gen 4 version of RTF, and carrying it for a bit, I prefer it over the Gen 3 RTF2 style. The RTF2 surface was a bit more aggressive than I cared for, and was rough on clothing. As a big fan of the Glock overall, this was a welcome change, because to me it feels “just right” and I think I grip it more securely than the Gen 3.
The other thing I noticed was the newer finish Glock is putting on their guns. It is the duller gray finish, which is less slippery for gripping, and also less shiny than the earlier finish. Some say the older coating is more durable, but this remains to be seen – I like the more “no-nonsense,” dull finish. Personally, I don’t mind if my working guns get a little finish wear after carry and use as it gives them character. Finish wear may hurt long term value, but I feel that my carry guns pay for themselves over the time I carry them.
This G21 came with the Glock night sights, which I think are now being supplied by Meprolight. These are superior to the older sights in my humble opinion, as the white plastic outline around the tritium capsules is bigger, and easier to pick up quickly in low light than the previous versions. This is one of the Gen 4 additions and changes that seem to be driven by the consumer. Glock is listening, and they are improving their guns generation to generation.
Overall, the fit and finish was business as usual, standard Glock. No frills, flat black/gray, but tight and clean with nothing unfinished or half-way on the gun. I have always found that when you buy a Glock you are buying a complete product that has been well tested and manufactured to the toughest tolerances.
The Gen 4…in Real Life
The Gen 4 comes with the multiple back strap system (MBS), which allows for the gun to be adapted to the shooter’s hand. I found that the gun without any of the inserts was somewhat more comfortable than the SF model of the Gen 3, and likely is very similar in size. The medium backstrap is the equivalent of the Gen 3 standard size, and the large would be ideal for those with big paws.
Without the backstrap, my hand felt comfortable on the grip, and my trigger finger rested comfortably at the slide take down notch when not engaging the trigger. Reaching the trigger was no problem. The web of my hand did get a little bit of a dig from the rear, left side corner of the backstrap at the tang. The reason is that this is a double stack .45 ACP, and the grip will still need to be decent sized to accommodate the magazine.
At The Range
Torture testing a gun when you don’t torture test for a living isn’t something that most of us can do, but I did take my new G21 to the range for an afternoon to put it through its paces. After 200+ rounds, there were no jams, flubs, or hiccups. The weapon was somewhat boring in being reliable, and never gave me any surprises.
Accuracy was on par with most other combat pistols in my experiences. On five shot groups at 7 yards the G21 shot into a 2” hole as long as I did my part. Even rested, that distance is pretty long for thick combat sights on a short pistol radius, but generally that is what I shoot high quality pistols in this price range into.
The G21’s recoil was somewhat muted, or maybe just different, compared to the previous G21 Gen 2 I shot. I’m used to a 9mm, which I prefer, so the recoil of the venerable .45 ACP was noticeably beefier and much more snappy, but It was definitely manageable, with easy follow up shots. Rapid fire I could keep all the rounds from a full magazine into a pie-plate sized group at 7 yards.
I remember the Gen 2 as much more of a handful, but I didn’t shoot them side by side. I don’t know how to describe “different” in all of these Gen 4 guns. The new dual spring recoil system makes it just a hair less snappy in the .40 S&W, and the .45 was a similar kind of thing. It’s one of those things where the recoil is just different in how you feel it. You could say it feels less, but I think it’s more accurate to say it’s just a little different. I have not found a quantification system otherwise for pistol recoil. You’ll have to try it for yourself. The one thing Glock does say is that these new recoil systems will last longer. (5,000 rounds versus 2500 rounds on .40 guns, and I would wager it’s more for the .45 due to its lower pressures.)
For quick reloads, the new wider magazine release button worked easily, and I never felt the need for an “extended” version magazine. In .45 ACP the standard 13 round magazine plus one in the pipe is enough, and adds over 12 ounces to the overall weight of the gun in ammo alone. This new Gen 4 mag system has the added benefit of being ambidextrous (able to switch to either side for both right or left handed shooters). This is an obvious nod to the Glock fans out there who are southpaws. With all the ambi guns on the market today, there is no reason a lefty Glock lover shouldn’t have a lefty option. Note also that the Gen 4 guns come with a total of 3 mags, one in the gun and two in the case.
I didn’t measure the trigger pull on my new G21 Gen 4, but it seemed normal for Glocks, in the 5 1/2 pound range. Overall the gun is 7.6″ inches long, 5.5″ high, and 1.3″ wide. The sight radius is 6.8″ and it has a 4.6″ barrel. It is 26.28 ounces empty.
Carrying the G21 Gen 4
I have been carrying the G21 for a few weeks now, and have found it to be far more comfortable to carry than I expected. Since a duty holster is outside your belt and comfort isn’t such an issue, I’ll focus on carrying the G21 Gen 4 concealed because that is primarily how I do it, as absurd as it may sound to carry a full-sized .45 concealed.
At first I used a Blackhawk Serpa paddle holster. The draw was smooth and quick even though the gun is locked in, but I found the holster was not ideal for CCW – at least for me. They are outstanding range holsters, and I have used their duty version for uniformed carry. However, the paddle holster itself sticks out pretty far on my side, and doesn’t keep as discreetly concealed as I’d like.
Later I stumbled upon Double Tap Holsters out of Michigan. They offer an excellent Kydex holster, at a price we can all afford, and with a very quick turnaround time. The holster also comes with a lifetime warranty. After poking around their website, I ordered a Mk I Outside the Waistband holster for my G21. The initial holster was very tight, and I sent it back for a little tweaking. It was quickly sent back, and now after a break in of a dozen draws or so, is pulls naturally and with ease, but keeps it tight in the ride when you want it to stay put.
The Mk I is similar in design to other kydex holsters that have become so popular these days. The holster holds the gun tight to the body, and as a result, it carries easily and doesn’t flop around – which is very unusual for this size gun. I had it on for days at a time, even fell asleep on the couch after a long day at work, and never felt it.
And just as an aside, KUDOS to Double Tap Holsters. It is easy to get positive feedback for a great product that comes off the line perfect, but not every one of every product does come off the line perfect. I got into contact with Double Tap Holsters when I found the holster was a little too tight (the gun was almost stuck in the holster). Their reply was simple, “send it back and we’ll make it right.” When it came back (and turnaround was less than a week I believe), it was just that – “made right.” It has now become my favorite holster. I plan on purchasing more, as well as a mag holder from them based upon their customer service alone.
In Conclusion
The G21 Gen 4 is an updated version of a very successful design. Many people have shied away from this gun, due to the girth of the grip, but the updates found on the Gen 4 series grip can do some work towards making this gun more accepted for those with medium hands. The new “grippier” surface of the Gen 4’s is a nice change as well. It isn’t too aggressive so you feel like you’re holding a cheese grater and it definitely won’t eat away at your clothes. The double spring has been well received, and I certainly prefer it to the old Glock feel. I hope to get some review guns in from Glock in other Gen 4 models this year, so hopefully we’ll talk more about these improvements to the award winning and bulletproof reliable Glock design.
The Gen 4 G21 is still a thick gun, but once you adapt to the size and learn to shoot it well, I expect it will last a lifetime. The G21 is built on a frame for the 10mm which has substantially higher pressures, so the low pressure .45 ACP that was made for the metalurgy of the early 1900s is no challenge, and doesn’t batter the modern metal and plastic-urgy of the Glock whatsoever. Don’t worry, the size isn’t on the scale of “It’s a monster!” that I first believed it to be, but it’s not the svelte width of a 1911 either, as it holds 13 rounds.
You may laugh that I judge holsters on their concealability. This is a double-stack .45 ACP, and you wouldn’t normally see this as a choice for CCW. But it is a rough world out there, and the more firepower the better. It was nice to see the G21 Gen 4 carry as well as it did and, if you’re going somewhere that you’ll need 13+1 rounds of .45 in your gun, you can grab your G21 and be aptly protected. I like this gun a lot as you can tell, and especially if you are a Glock fan, I think you will too.
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OK Sig p229 love it carried for 20 years Colt 1991A1 My baby CZ pcr compact 9 excellent carry gun OK so much for my other toys just purchased Glock21 gen 4 changed guide rod to SS put a cool back plate on it waiting for My Warrior Kydex holster then we are going to go and run some rounds thru it.Ex military
What ever you feel comfortable with always carry the biggest gun you feel good with
Training is the best experience.So train.train.One day it will come in handy.
Just got my G21 Gen 4 yesterday. Ran to my brother’s house to put out some rounds. My brother’s first
impression was that it had a different recoil than his G19, easier to control, and not so snappy. I traded-in
Kimber 1911 Stainless(1100.00). The Kimber was pretty, but no matter what ammo I used it would jam,
stovepipe after 60-70 rounds….always. If I have a gun, its got to go bang, always, or it leaves. The G21 feels
great. Hate the “field goal” sights, but I will change them. My brother and I put 150 rounds through it without
a FTE/FTF. I don’t miss the Kimber One Bit. 7 rounds compared to 13. I’m not going to clean my gun till 500 rounds, to see if it will fail. All the people with these “high-dollar” guns, throw them in the dirt, get some ball ammo, real cheap, and see how long you can go before FTF/FTE problems. Just my 2 cents.
I purchased a G21 Gen 4. I have small hands. Out of the box it feels fine and is a pleasure to shoot. I am short. Out of the box it is easy to conceal in jeans and a t-shirt, or a pair of shorts and a t-shirt with no print. I loaded both Underwood and Buffalo Bore 230 GR 45 Super and shot it without fail, many times, without any modifications, and zero damage that I can see. It will eat anything I put through it out of the box. All these statements are true. And yes, because “It’s a Glock”. It concealed easy because it had no hammer and is relatively snag free designed. It shot 45 Super without damage because it is well manufactured and designed with durability in mind, so is manufactured to torturous tolerances that will accommodate occasional abuse. It fit my small hand because it was modeled perfectly in between sizes making it perfect for none without modification but serviceable for all. What makes a Glock a Glock is not perfection. It’s not marketing. It’s not cost. It’s a small group of really sharp engineers, drawing plans for well trained assembly men, using high quality parts, finally tested by experienced shooters, for a very reasonable price. “THAT” Makes a Glock “A Glock” .
I just purchased a Glock 21 Gen 4, Sig P220 .45, Springfield .40 and a Charter Arms .44 Bulldog. I like having a choice. As far as a concealed carry, my .44 Bulldog with it’s 2.5 inch barrel is an awsome “get off me” weapon but it only holds 5 rounds and is a wheel gun. Well, only need one shot most of the time and a revolver never jams.
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I own several Glocks,20,10mm,21,45acp,23,40cal,30,45acp,31,357sig. All of these glocks has never jamed while at the range. I have use thousands of rounds and never had a problem. My wife has a model31, 357sig and can shoot it like a house of fire. I carry a Sig Sauer model 238,380 cal loaded with glassers for conceal carry, and never had a problem with it also. Hard to beat the Glock and recomend it to everyone. Thanks for giving me the time to express my opion on Glocks.
Glocks are like 1990’s Toyota Tacomas, They aren’t the prettiest or most feature packed trucks available today, but they are reliable as all heck and the Glock deserves great respect for bringing hi-cap, striker fired pistols into the mainstream. While I have gone to “better” striker fired pistols over the last decade, my 1st Year Glock-19 Gen1, lovingly modified by Bowie Tactical, is still my goto as a truck pistol. I picked up a Gen1 Glock 20 10mm when they first came out, but it was a bit big for my hands; This new Gen4 might just get me back into a Big Glock!
Thanks for the good review!
Does anyone know if there is a grip plug available for this model? I have looked and have not been able to find one. Also, what modifications, if any would anyone suggest?
they have them on glockstore.com for ten bucks
I’m a big Sig 220 fan,its a tack driver But the Glock 21 Gen 4 carries 13+1,its gonna be my car gun when I’m on the road. I live near the Mexican border.
Very nice review! I tried one out at my local range, and even though I was limited to only 50 rounds of ball ammo it was a very smooth operating weapon, and like you surmised it doesn’t have the recoil of the old Gen 2! It’s subdued and a hell of a lot of fun too!
As to the aforementioned HK P30, I have one too, it is a very fine weapon, but I prefer my USP to it.
And I’ve had 1911s too, most of which wouldn’t make it through a box of ammo! Nice design, but woefully overrated!
And wobbles, you need to actually own said gun and shoot said gun, before you post your observations. And remember playing Call of Duty doesn’t count! Dale
Great review of the Glock 21. Just got a Glock 21 Gen 4 today for graduating college and just fired 130 rounds or so through it. Very accurate and awesome to shoot. I am not sure why people are arguing about many other guns they like in a Glock 21 review posting…. but that is just our American stubborn pride I suppose. We like what we like.
Thanks for a great review, Brian. I’ve had my 21G4 for about 6 months. I can only afford a trip to the range maybe every other week. I have the green/yellow Tru-Glo sights, but otherwise my pistol is stock. It is simply a joy to shoot this weapon. At 25 feet I can easily hold a 3″ group with it. I’ve never experienced a malfunction of any kind, after about 1000 rounds. For the money, I don’t think you can beat the Glock 21 Gen 4. If money were no object, The Glock 21 Gen 4 would still be a very tough customer.
Wobbles,
I would bet a year’s salary you are not in LE.
i want it
I own the Glock 21 Gen 4 and i just love this Gun ! I also own a Springfield XDM 45 A.C.P. which is a very nice Gun to ! I am a big time 45 A.C.P. Fan.
Hey im on the fence between the xdm 45. And g21. Which of these two guns should i pick?
I dont see the cost vs quality thing at all in it being a law enforcement gun. Its all about there sheer reliability when an officers life depends on it ots going to go bang. And my local department issues sigs and they do have two unmarked mercury Marquis. And a camaro. Excellent review. Thankyou for your time
First off, these comments are getting way off course. I feel like we are in a classroom full of law enforcement, military, and civilian weapons experts. Which I am sure that is most likely the case. I do enjoy reading some of the comments as they are very informative at times. I just wish all these smart comments and know it all remarks were less in number. Buy what you like, shoot what you can handle, and carry whatever gives you a false sense of security in our unsecure world. As some as the first shot is fired all that other BS goes right out of the window. I am not sure what everyone likes to carry and really don’t care, just as long as it works and goes boom when I pull the trigger.
First off I am not a Glock fan . I own several 1911’s and S&W revolvers . However I also have a Gen 3 G30 and constantly have people try to horse trade their Gen 4s for my Gen 3 as the old adage goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it . I will agree the sights are a welcome change . I think I will stick with my Gen 3 . Understand I am not bashing Glock by any means , but there are just other firearms I prefer . The Gen 3 Glock 30 I have has never given me any problems so I see no need to ever acquire another glock I believe I have the best model they have ever manufactured according to Mr. Ayoob and that’s really saying something .
I’m with you, Dave. My Gen 3 Glock 30’s never given me a speck of trouble either. In addition, with the 9 round mag, it’s very easy to conceal.
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I carried a gen 3 21 for 13 years on duty.Now I’ve been issued the gen 4 21 and it’s an inaccurate piece of junk that shoots WAY high and can’t be counted on to hit what it’s aimed at. Not quite aiming for the nutsack to get a headshot, but not all that far from it. I have zero confidence in being able to hit something as small as a pit bull coming at me anymore. I am genuinely fearful to take it with me on duty. Glock says nothing is wrong. I’ll never buy another Glock, and as soon as I can give this paperweight back to my department the better becasue I need to be able to sleep at night knowing I can trust my pistol.
I am new to shooting, and in attempts to find the right gun(s) for me, have gone to indoor ranges that let you try different models out. In a very short time, I learned that different guns are going to shoot good for some, and not good for others, depending not only on the make and model, but definitely on the way it fits your hand. Wobbles, you have been shooting for many years, and you say the gen 4 21 is an inaccurate peice of junk. Perhaps it just doesn’t fit you well??? I shot one this past weekend, and did great with it! Just sayin’.
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One question for Wobbles: If you can’t hit anything with your Gen. 4 Glock 21 service pistol, then how did/do you qualify with it? My agency (as pretty much all others) has you actually qualify with the weapon before you are certified to carry it on duty. You are required to qualify with your sidearm repeatedly (a lot of agencies fire quarterly) throughout the year, and if you are having such a hard time firing it with accuracy— I have to wonder how you qualify at all??? Hrrrmmmm?
I know I’ll get flayed by many for this, but I’ll take my Springfield 1911 .45 over any pistol out there. I’ve fired it in every condition you can think of (heavy rain, after dropping it in the mud, sandy beach conditions, and high wind conditions) and I’m very happy! Wouldn’t carry any other .45. 🙂
In comparison of the G22 and the G21 I do quite like the 21 but I still much prefer the 22.
Hello Everyone,
I recently purchased a new Glock G21 Gen 4 for myself and have found it to be the handgun of choice in my ever growing collection. The recoil is rival to that of a 9mm but In .45ACP and means having ultimate stopping power without shedding accuracy. There are a few things I would like to see changed on the Gen 5 if they are designing one anytime soon, That would be a larger lip on the sidelock for ease at breakdown, Which they do make as an attachment sold seperatly. Also there is an opening behind the clip for the extra grips to attach to that if you’re using the new stock polymid grip and not needing the grip enhancments leaves an opening that can collect dust and dirt. Again they sell a rubber halfmoon cap for this that cost around $10 – $15 dollars, but I feel it should come with the gun. Never the less I am so glad that when I was stuck between the Springfield XDm .45, Smith&Wesson M&P .45ACP and the Glock G21 Gen4 .45ACP that my friends at Village Pawn and Gun in Wadesboro N.C. Steered me in the right direction. “Overall I give the Glock G21 Gen4 .45ACP two thumbs up and would say to anyone having trouble deciding on your next purchuse to take a second look at the Glock G21 Gen4.
I always joke that Glocks are a great gun for girls and piano players, which is fine for Brian Jenson who has “not overly large hands”. Anyone with a glove size of XL will pick up a Glock and wonder why those irritating finger grips are spaced so close together. That was my reason for passing on the brand. As a novice pistol shooter, I have to ask if 2″ at 7 yards supposed to be a good group? I took my new pistol to the range last week for the first time (Sig P220 Carry, so only a 3.9″ barrel) and easily shot 2″ standing at 7 yards and 1.5″ sitting. Anyway, I’m glad that Glock has a new gun that looks to be a winner, and in .45 ACP. My other joke is that with a .45, if you miss, the BANG will at least make them poop their pants.
I wanted a pistol for home protection, and to conceal carry, whenever our state of Illinois, deceides to follow our country’s constitution’s 2nd amendment. What a state! A very close relative, a policeman who was issued a Glock, reccomended buying a Glock 23, which would have the 40cal. power for home protection, and easy to conceal carry, whenever.
Before I moved from the farm to the city, I hunted all the game I could, and we ate everything we shot. The point is, I was used to firearms. When I moved to town, I wanted a handgun, for home pretection. Liveing in Illinois, of course I could’nt have a concealed gun. What a state, does’nt beleive in our country’s constitution’s 2nd amendment, the only state in our United States that wo’nt follow our own constitution. Talking to a very close relative, who is on a police force, suggested buying a Glock 23, which would be great for home protection, and for concealed carry, if and when Illinois will legaly allow concealed carry. My relative’s police force had the officers carry Glocks, a very good reason to my mind to purchase the Glock 23, with the 40 cal. power, and less recoil, for quicker re-aiming, if needed.
Good review.. ” fell alseep on the sofa” has got to be a first. But a great point.!
Glocks, yeah well they broke the Plasti barrier. They shoot- they blocky and ugly. but they shoot. I’ve had many in the past but swtiched to the XD simple because the grip angle works better in my hands . Another new fave is the SW MP. the compact 9mm I have is one hell of a shooter and conceals well. And as a point none of these pistols would be around unless the Glock was sucha success.
I have numerous handguns, and own 2 Glock pistols. The G21 Gen4 and also a 1st generation Glock 17. Great pistols, which i’ve never experienced a single problem with. For the money, I honestly don’t personally believe there is a better, more reliable weapon available. Pretty it’s definitely not, but then neither am I. For all you gentlemen who have to have a “pretty” handgun, go out and purchase a Kimber! Very pretty, stylish, and nice to look at no doubt… but without a doubt, the biggest P.O.S. made! When protecting myself, and most importantly, my family… I will choose the “ugly” Glock, I paid $500 dollars for, over a pistol costing $3000 dollars, that will jam up like the expressway during rush hour, any day! But then, like always… some folks have more money than brains! Semper Fi
I’ve got two Kimbers and two Glocks (among others). No jams in the Kimbers and Glock had to send me a new ejector for the 26 and I still haven’t figured out the 36. The Kimbers are pretty, like me. The Glocks? Not so much.
As an active police officer with 35 years on the job, I’ve seen too many instances of bosses who have no regard for the individual. In my department, we must carry the Glock 21 we were issued 13+ years ago, regardless of hand size. As much as I like the damage a .45 can inflict, I personally shoot better with a 9 mm. So, it’s that ago-old question, “Is it better to shoot the handgun that makes a nastier wound, or the one with which you can dot an i?” I’m going to go to my local gun shop and try the Gen 4 Glock 21. If I shoot it better than the currently-issued Glock 21, maybe I could get our administration to give it a try. (Let’s see…a police administration willing to entertain the thought of a change they didn’t think of first…probably tilting at windmills….)
Galock 21 is one of my favorite pistal i like it very much
I had the opportunity, about a year ago, to try out a Gen 3 Glock 21 with the Guncrafter Industries .50 GI conversion kit. That was great fun! I would have bought the whole package, except I already had the 1911-based GI 50. I did have a Gen 1 Glock 17 back in the late 1980s…terrific gun, accurate, reliable, fun to shoot. It had everything you could want in a handgun except looks.
I have a gen3 G23 .40 s/w. and I am taking delivery of a gen4 G21 .45 tomorrow I can’t wait to get it on the range and break it in. I love my G23 but i have large hands and the 23 is a bit small (short) on the grip. I use the G22 mags 15 rounds, with the magazine sleve to round out the bottom of the gun grip now it fits perfectly. I’m looking forward to the G21 grip and sending lead down range. Thanks for the info on the holsters as well in looking now for something more comfortable and the double tap mat do it.
Very good article.
One thing I’d have to add, regarding the Gen 3 that is…. IF IT AINT BROKE DON’T FIX IT. Meaning I personally found nothing wrong with the Gen 3’s.
Which is why having the GLOCK Model 35 Gen 3, and wanting another GLOCK, I stuck with and got the Gen 3 GLOCK model 21. If it matters, the extra mag you get, as the Gen 3’s come with 2 total and the Gen 4’s come with 3 total, and only for a limited time, the price difference for me to have gotten the Gen 4, was and would have been the price for that 3rd mag..
In the end, for me, the full size Gen 3’s fit my hand just fine. And as with the G35, the only upgrades I’ll make, out of want, not need, will be to get a stainless steel guide rod & spring, grip plug, sights and lastly, eventually a Storm Lake barrel.
To all the GLOCK haters…If GLOCKS were so bad we wouldn;t be seeing S&W (with the M&P) and Springfield (with the XD’s and XD/M’s) doing their best to copy it. FWIW, I also have the service model XD. I especially like the 1911 style grip safety. Though again, as far as the trigger goes, it’s very similar to GLOCKS. The only thing I don’t like about the XD’s are, and I first heard this at the XD forums, which I then confirmed on my own XD by measuring and that was/is short chambered. Meaning is was very close to SAAMI minimum for OAL for the .45acp.. I believe that minimum is 1.19. And if it matters, mine measured 1.20. Which causes the bullets on some factory rounds to get pushed in when chambered. The other thing I dislike about the XD is the magazine/mag. springs. I found they can’t handle being loaded for any length of time. Thus for a carry gun can and usually does become an issue. Mine gave me FTF issues anyhow. And when I called Springfield and spoke to an “LEO” armorer, she asked if I kept the mags loaded for a length of time and upon saying yes, most people do keep the mags of their carry/self defense guns for a length of time, she replied they recommend LEO’s that they empty and reload their mags once a week. Kind of like exercising the mag springs. Um, hello, it’s use that weakens mag springs not constant pressure. At least that’s what I’ve read and heard. And I’m sorry, I can’t picture LEO’s exercising their mags..
And if it matters, measuring my new GLOCK the same way, it measured 1.26. Which based on SAAMI specs. for the .45acp, 1.19 – 1.30, it;s about the middle.
I’ve not served either LE or military but have possesed inumerable hand guns. .45 ACP is hands down, from my personal rxperience, the proper defensive cartridge. For me, the Glock 21 Gen 3 has had the most to offer so far because,
1. Glocks do not require me to release any safety mechanism prior to firing.
2. When I subject my Glocks to days of grueling, filthy rural carry they faithfully perform flawlessly.
3. I am convinced that Glock designed there product with a focus on the first and formost purpose a handgun is for and it’s appearence undoubtably reflects this.
I appreciate the article and will buy a pair of Gen 4 Glocks because if they are an improvement on something I have consistantly been grateful to depend on there should be little room for disappoinment.
Carried a 21 for quite a few years. It was issue and I had no choice. It was a good weapon and I felt comfortable with it. Spend a day shooting the hell out of it, like I did in a few training classes. Your trigger finger will be so sore from the trigger safety you will cuss it, guaranteed. Imagine it at the end of a 40 hr course. I mean that is extremely uncomfortable. Now, just to go and qualify, no big deal. For what its worth, Im retired. My choice, now, is a Colt govt, out of the box. Had it for awhile and I smile at the accuracy, tight fit, custom jobophiles. Combat accuracy is a relative, subjective thing. As long as it can group minute of scumbag chest and goes boom, you are good. The govt 1911 is all I need.
Ask 10 different people for their opinion and they will give you 10 different answers. And all will swear they are right and everybody else is wrong. At the end of the day you need only worry about what YOU like and go with that.
I shot 1911’s since 1979 with Ray Chapman, Ed Brown, Bill Wilson, etc. bianchi cup, masters, etc. and probably would never had looked at a Glock till Brian Dover told me they had a great competition program and you can only
use Glocks…I have shot 7 matches, won 2 guns, 2K in money and have had as much or more fun competing with these fantastic pistols and have never had a jam…Can’t say that with my high dollar custom 1911’s through the years..I am a super senior and can’t run and I give Glock a big thumbs up for their pistols and their competition program….No other pistol company has anything close to that….JHMO…and my new G21 Gen 4 is as impressive as anything I have ever shot….semper fi..
My dear friend is a Retired NYC Finest UC for years.. He needed to go for some kind of qualifying Test for retired Police re: concealed carry..He asked me to take him to the Gun shop where I buy my weapons..I showed him three nice 45 semi/auto.. He liked them ,but guess what he purchased?? A Lightweight Colt 38 revolver.. Saying in all the shootouts , he nver ran out and reliable weapons are all you should expect them to be .. The rest is up to the Shooter..He previously never spent more than $400 on a gun but this time he splurged..Liked the weight factor and brand name the most..I would not like to match wits with him . What a shooter at the range..
First – I have never, nor will I ever, purchase a firearm for its appearance.
Second – I’ve never, nor will I ever purchase a firearm I have not previously tried for myself.
Third – I’m not rich, and even if I was I would still be looking for the most value for my money.
Fourth – The article never stated that 200 rounds was a true torture test, so lighten up.
Fifth and most important – I carry to defend the life of my family, my own life, and to protect my property.
The simple truth is I will purchase a firearm that provides me the ability to quickly, effectively, and reliably stop an assailant from violating my family, myself, or my property. If I can obtain that firearm for a reasonable cost then all the better. Due I believe that Glock makes a fine product? Yes I do. Due I believe that Glock makes the BEST product? Maybe, Maybe not. However, In my experience, ALL of my Glock’s have always been ready and able to meet ALL my demands when I have been required to utilize them.
ALL manufacturers are business’s, and as business’s they are trying to make money. ALL manufacturers have had failures, malfunctions, and ridicule. There is always someone, somewhere, that is willing to tell you his story about “that crappy product isn’t worth the package it’s shipped in” and then sure enough you will find someone not but 2 days later that will gladly tell you his story about “that same product that is the greatest ever released”. There is NO “perfect” gun for ALL shooters. Assemble your own set of criteria and purchase what works best for you.
If I have any complaint about the article it is only this : This review was supposed to be about the Gen4 Glock 21, and NOT about Double Tap Holsters. I have no problem with Double Tap Holsters, but I feel it should not have been included within a review of another product. I would have preferred the space been utilized to provide more information on the intended topic.
Amen.
Well put. I love my XDm 9, but I also want a G21 gen 4 as well. Who says just because you drive a Mustang you can’t have a Camaro too?
Prefer my S&W m&p .45c any day over a glock. Just as reliable, prettier, and my favorite MADE IN AMERICA!!!
When did one’s opinion become a reason to unleash such unpleasant comments. I own many hand guns for a variaty of purposes ( Glock x 3, Beretta x 6, S&W, Auto Ordanance and My latest a Kimber ultra) and I’m proficiant with all . They all have their pluses and a few their minuses, but there isn’t one that I don’t enjoy shooting.
As far as quality control I think it’s alot to do with company’s trying to make the biggest profit possible. I see it in my business and that of my wife’s. It’s really too bad it may have reached the firearms industry too.
Maybe my Gen4 G27 is defective …I don’t have any problems with it that people are talking about. Seriously, no gritty trigger pull, nice short reset, zero ftf, somewhere around 1000 rounds through it, love it with no additional back straps installed, every bit as nice to hold and shoot as my G30sf, a little more “snap,” but certainly easily manageable, shoots where I point it …what am I missing??? Also, I don’t mind the aesthetics of the Glock design at all. I mean, it’s really everything a pistol should be and nothing it shouldn’t; there’s incredible beauty in that. Besides, I didn’t buy it to look at and admire; it’s no safe-queen, I bought it to go “bang” when I need it to. It does that just fine. I will admit that the review seemed a bit overly-flattering but, then again, that’s pretty much standard practice for a magazine when it reviews an advertiser’s product (see it in guitar mags all the time as well). Also, 200 rounds is a leisurely afternoon at the range; certainly not a torture test.
Guns, vacuum cleaners or whatever… “Internet-Rage” doesn’t help make your point, it just makes you sound like a stark raving mad lunatic… which is perfectly ok since I get a real kick out of reading it, but don’t think for a minute that it does anything to actually further your cause with anyone other than other like-minded stark raving mad lunatics.
Case in point, a Glock remains on my short-list of “guns to own”.
I’ve tried the G21 Gen 4 but I think that I’ll stick with my FNP-45 Tactical. It holds 15 + 1 and with the factory suppresor night sights is great to shoot. I just gave mine a torture test of 1000 rounds in 4 days and it still shot flawlessly. The only people making a holster for it is Blade Tech, but they make both a belt and an IWB holster for it. With the IWB holster I find it easy to concealed carry the gun and it is simple to add an RMR to it by removing 2 screws on top and removing a plate and just screwing the RMR on. I realize that the G21 is half the price of the FN, but you get what you pay for.
My M&P .40 holds 15 + 1
I appreciate everyones’ comments on this gun. However, I must say that those respondants who write their comments without regard to errors in spelling and/or punctuation make some of us uncomfortable and give the impression of being morons.
I don’t think it is just an impression lol.
Thank you! I was beginning to think that most gun owners were illiterate! If people would just read what they’ve written before submitting it, they might just come across as having some intelligence!
You made the same kind of mistake:
it’s “respondents,” not “respondants.” Glass houses and all that.
I’ve been a Glock fan since 1988 when I bought a Glock 17 at the time I was in law school in the bad part of Tacoma. When I became the prosecutor for a Federally-funded drug task force, I started carrying a Glock 26. I later upgraded to a Glock 27 for ballistic reasons. That gun continues to be my daily carry gun wherever I go. I now have a third generation G-21 SF that protects my home. I don’t think the Glock is overrated. I have never had a Glock jam, break or fail to go boom when I pull the trigger. They are reasonably accurate and fairly economical. The only pistol I would give higher marks is the Sig Sauer P-226 and that is because of its near-perfect trigger pull. But the Glock has an excellent trigger pull although it is subjectively soft and the short trigger reset allows a competent shooter to put a lot of rounds down range in a short interval of time.
My collections includes one Glock23 Gen 2.5 (3 pin, no rail or finger grooves) among other bands. I purchased the G23 brand new when it first came out. It has not failed me once. As a former deputy, this has always and still is my go to war pistol. As a matter of fact, about a year ago, I independently upgraded this old-timer. The cost was inexpensive, I added all the bells and whistles that one could imagine. And yes.. it is still my go to war pistol. It shoot even better. I went so far as to add three lone-wolf ported barrels (4.9″) in 9mm, 357 Sig and or course 40sw. I kept the original barrel also. Wow! three great pistols in one and affordable. This work of art has served me well on the range, on duty as CCW and as a home protector.
Ill keep my 40.cal sigsauer any day
Good for you! Your incredibly profound and insightful comment will help anyone who happens across it!
“if you’re going somewhere that you’ll need 13+1 rounds of .45 in your gun” you might should consider going somewhere else. First rule of winning a gun fight, don’t be in one. Second rule: if you have to go to a gun fight don’t be the idiot that shows up with a handgun-take a rifle or shotgun. I say all that tongue and cheek sort of, I can see the authors intent but that is what he said. My other rule is carry the largest gun in the largest caliber that you can shoot well and carry on your person on a consistent basis. If a G21 is that for you than you will be well off if you need to defend yourself or someone else. However you will be better off with a .22 in your pocket than a G21 in your car if someone assaults you in a gas station, parking lot, place of work, etc. Great article though about the G21 Gen 4.
Maybe I should put away my 380 Bersa and start taking my 10 shot Walter P22 (so Light and quick) whenever I go out for the day.. I Kinda thought with hollowpoints it would be sufficient..Your comments about this makes sense.. Thanks
I’ve been carrying my duty gen3 21 ccw for the last 10 years. I hope the review on concealability is true as my new gen4 will be issued next month. Ill give the DT holster a whirl as well.
“The thing is, if you have never owned a firearm, or even handled one and you go and purchase one from your local retailer this is what happens most of the time. Your sells man will want to sell you what he shoots and likes, and not whats best for the NEW USER!! And how is that NEW user know if he or she just bought a POS????”
That is so the truth, and to be honest, how do you know you will like it until you shoot it? To each their own.
I’m a retired, still active police officer with over 34 years of service. I was a firearms instructor for over 25 years. Plain and simple, GLOCK is the best dependable, reliable pistol made. 78% of the Police in this country carry Glock pistols, that’s reported! So I’m sure the number is even higher. They are a combat ready machine and believe me I have tested them all. For the money, number of high cap rounds, and dependability Glock is number 1. Any body that talks down a glock don’t know much about pistols period. You can’t abuse one.
I’m retired from one of the biggest Departments in the US. I was blessed to have worked as a supervisor at “the range”. I like Glocks. I still carry one daily both off duty and on duty. (yep, still working at a 5 man department)
They are not “perfection” in anyone’s description. In fact, Glock parked a trailer with a machine shop in it for almost 2 years at our facility. Thousands of service and off-duty pistols were modified to make a malfunction unique to the Glock clearable. The malfunction was labled a phase 3 and would not be cleared by a phase 1 or 2 malfunction clearing drill. The machining that was done did not stop the phase 3, it only made it easier to clear. Before the modification, you had to lock the slide to the rear and physically pluck a spent shell casing out from behind the extractor. Cuts were made on the slide that gave the spent shell enough wobble, that it would fall free during a clearing drill.
Dave
I don’t hate Glocks ,I just won’t buy one .Correctomundo..You are expert so I believe you..Thanks
Dave,
Couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve been a POST LE instructor for over 35 years and have seen thousands of Glock pistols come through academy classes. This new 4th Gen really needs some tweeking. 2″ groups @ 7 yards is certainly nothing to bragg about. I have personally witnessed two catostrophic failures over the years so I’m not as nearly enamored with Glock as I used to be. All factory ammo by the way, as required by the academy. Have never seen another failure of the same type from another brand of pistol in 35 years. By the way Dave, all Glocks shoot to the left, if the sights are centered. I’ve had to adjust many a Glock sight over the years to get them targeted correctly. Some so far to the right, part of the rear blade hangs over the edge of the slide. There are certainly plenty of issues with other manufacturer’s as well. When you spend you life on an LE range, you see alot.
Glock 30sf + Galco Tuck & Go equals a very nice conceal and carry option. Enough said.
One could also say a Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe conceals just as well. One could also maybe say, better even?
But then is still always comes down personal preference and opinion. And for some it also comes down to cost? And, as for opinions, we all know what they say about them?
I agree with the Crossbreed cenario! Comfort also counts. I am stuck in love with my M&P 40, but I think the new Gen 4 G21 will be my next weapon after these reviews.
i just ordered my gen 4 g21. and cant wait til its gets here. even if it was the most expensive i wud still get it, its reliability, accuracy, kivk, grip. amd all around effectivness ( not to mention 13 round mag) definitely make it my gun of choice. the fact that i payed 497.00$just makes it even better
Have you ever heard that speed kills. I’m sure you have, that’s why I carry a FNH 5.7×28; 20 rounds in a clip with two other clips 60 rounds. It is right on target where I want it to be, as for recoil it is great. Firer power, stopping power. Sorry gentlemen that’s but that’s were it is.
You forgot to mention How Expensive is that FNH ??
Good luck finding ammo.
If speed is what you want, you may as well carry the .17HMR. lol
Not only fast, but cheaper then the 5.7X28. And hey, it’s just as impractical.
How expensive is your life?
Have you ever heard…. ” speed thrills and accuracy kills ” ?
UUU tellum Neil. ive got 57yrs shooting so far
It is called a magazine, not a clip…a small correction no doubt but an important one. Why do you consider this the end all be all CCW caliber? The fact that this is the newest fastest “high speed” toy lends nothing to the round’s actual effectiveness. The 45 acp has been around a lot longer and is a “been there done that” round. I don’t wish to engage the classic “big and slow versus light and fast” caliber argument. However, you offer a highly polarized and poorly worded opinion.
1) Of course the recoil is great…you are firing a 40 grain projectile.
2)Fire power…I give you that, 20 rounds without reloading is great…why not carry a kel-tec pmr-30 with 30 rounds of .22 mag?
3)Stopping power? the most debatable point in your argument (temporary wound cavity v. permanent wound cavity) (pass through v. 100% energy transfer and large frontal surface area)
4)How do you like concealing that large frame pistol, because it would print under a rain poncho.
5)If that works for you, great. It is none of my business to tell you what to carry and why; just the same as what works for you might not work for someone else. People should carry what they are comfortable and proficient with ( I don’t like Springfield XD’s but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a great gun or that I would steer an individual away from one).
6)Speed does not kill…shot placement does.
Since you don’t know the difference between a clip and a magazine, I realized you also don’t know that one well placed shot would render all that firepower useless. If you are going to storm an enemy bunker you might need 60 rounds, but I seriously doubt that I will find myself in many situations where more than one mag change is necessary.
Wow! I see some real “Glock haters” posting comments on the most commonly used handgun in all of law enforcement worldwide! I personally prefer my FNH-FNP for my “poly 45” but to each his own. I own 6 different 2001 Glocks and I have never had a single failure with any of them. The finishes on them look the very same as they did when I purchased them 13 years ago, accuracy, function & reliability is flawless. I guess the only thing bad I can say about these older Glocks is that they’re not so pretty! Looks certainly aren’t their strong suit! As far as the Gen 4 goes, I don’t see much “change” in the gun, aside from the dotted grips & interchangable backstraps (which my FNH already has) & also their hyped up springs (which you could’ve gotten aftermarket) so I personally won’t be rushing out to snap-up a Gen 4 Glock anytime soon. Right now all firearms manufacturers are cutting costs everywhere they can & also speeding up production to try to meet the ever growing record breaking demand for firearms. All major arms manufacturers are having some quality issues (even the smaller custom shops) because of a crunching economy felt worldwide. For the first time, Ruger is producing junk! Never thought I’d see that day! That’s what a depression (not recession) will do to a “once legendary” manufacturer! I think the worst is still yet to come!
We let them through because different people have different experiences and the different perspectives lead to a productive discussion…sometimes. If they didn’t use all caps and and just told the story of their experience they would look a lot more valid, and a lot less like ranting 7 years olds using mommy’s computer.
I don’t think of myself as a Glock-hater. I had the pleasure of accompanying a local CGA (Certified Glock Armorer) to a range where he let me shoot a .40 and a .45( he had every model they made at that time, with him that day). I was amazed by the fact that the .45 was more controllable in my hand than the .40. Good shooting guns. I will say however that the first Model 17 I ever looked at in a gun shop didn’t inspire confidence. When pulling the slide rearward, the recoil spring guide curved/bent slightly, like it was under stress; making me think that it could deteriorate over time by rubbing up against the end of the slide. Especially considering how much I like to shoot. Maybe they made a rigid RSG later? At any rate, it made me apprehensive. I never gave the Glock another real consideration.
As for the Glock being the LE world’s most prolific pistol, it is my opinion that that is based on one thing…$$$. I personally know of a local(now defunct) gun shop that gave volume discounts to LE on Glock sales. It stands to reason that this is a common practice everywhere. Departments usually make decisions based on quality vs cost. How many Mercury Grand Marquis police cruisers have you ever seen? ZERO. Only Crown Vics. Same platform but less money. I’m not a Sig fan either but would argue that a Sig is a better quality firearm than a Glock. No large department anywhere in the world is going to pay the money for a Sig over a Glock, even with wholesale discount pricing. That’s my opinion.
I would suggest that Glock’s success has to do with far more thn cost. Marketing, their product’s qualities, and good strategy has a lot to do with it in my humble opinion.
There are a lot of quality weapons out there, and some work better for others. I can say I’ve owned HK’s, Sigs, etc, and have had a chance to try a good number of others. I still pick Glocks to protect me for most situations.
I just wanted to add 2 cents worth conceled or not my Colt 1911,, 1945 year is the best out of all my pistols LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE BORE would make anyone want to turn and run
Grant I agree with you about the Colt 1911 A1 it was the first Center Fire Pistol I shot and I loved them from the get go, as for the Glocks I think I will buy one in .45 ACP, maybe it’s the round that I love more than any other Center Fire round and that’s probably because in matches I have had problems with the .32 S&W Long and the .40 S&W feeding consistently but the 45 in semi wad soft is smooth as a Dog’s Ear. Plus the 1911 A1 just fits into the hand well. That being said I will be looking into the Glock in .45 ACP for some variety plus the polymer has some good characteristics, especially outdoor matches in the rain I wouldn’t do that to my 1911, the polymer would be more forgiving. Oh and I really enjoyed the article it was well written and obviously some thought was put into the content, well done and thanks.
Personally I love my two Glock 40 cal. and they are not only rugged and shoot well but have never had a jam problem unlike some other brands I have owned before. This is a great gun for target shooting as well as personal protection and conceal carry. I know there are other guns that are great guns and appreciate them all but just have stuck with these guns due to the overall package they offer.
Glock people eating thier young! Gotta love it. Seriously though, Glock has a good rep and for good reason. They have proven themselves over time to be solid reliable pistols, but not infoulable. I just love seeing the people who built all the hype eat their young when reality hits that all guns have positives and negatives and Glock is not the end all be all.
And I will not disagree that only 200 rounds is a torture test… it is, as you said it, not even broke in. I think I have put about 1800 rounds through it since I got it. It needs to be put through a battery of tests before it’s “torture tested.”
Hi Dave.
I have noticed this trend happening with other major gun makers that were solid companies for many years. They are cutting corners more and more yet keeping the cost up. This is why we see many smaller gun manufacturers doing so well. Companies like Glock should already have the bugs worked out before they let pistols be sold.
Thanks for the input.
First of all, great review. You spoke your opinion well and from your experience it’s a upgrade to the Glock family.
Anthony, the Glock doesn’t really have a “long” trigger pull. If you compare it to Kimber Raptor II that only has .25″ and a 4lbs trigger pull, then yeah, its long. But if you compare it to some Sig Sauers and Kel Tecs that have a 1.2″ and 8.5 lbs trigger pull, the Glock is significantly shorter and lighter.
Dave, you must read again what he was saying about the backstrap. As a dealer you should know this. He was stating that depending on the size of your hands, you have the option (with the Gen IV) to have it small, medium, or large all within that one purchase. You get 2 straps in a bag and you choose which suits you better. If your hands aren’t big enough to deal with the smallest grip, I’d go a different route as for a choice of a gun. As for the Gen IVs being recalled, mine was recalled because of the spring pressure would make the ejected casing “stove pipe.” I sent it in, and now mine works flawlessly. 6+ lbs trigger pull… really? did you measure every one? I know not every pistol will be consistent, but being .5 lb over their stated pressure is a little off. Mine is @ 5.2 right now (just tested). It seems to me you are being a little biased.
Allen, great observation… HK did make the first polymer, it was just Glock who made it better. Remember it was the white man who invented basketball, but the blacks perfected it. LOL
I bought my first Glock back in the 1980s, and have owned one in every caliber they make including the big 10mm.They are the best handguns I have ever owned…not the prettiest but certainly the best quality.
Since I am NO EXPERT!!,I usually keep my mouth shut about great Guns..however I own some H&K pieces ,a Walther P222 a Bersa s/s 380,, Ruger compact 9MM..The smoothest and mostpowerful & accurate is the 45 & 9 MM H&K Wish I could find some Leather Conc Carry Holsters at reasonable prices..Found a Don Hume, reasoable at a show slightly used ,fits my 380 like a glove.. The other ones out there are expensive.
Years ago My first and worse was a big bore Magnum Taurus Revolver .. Couldn’t hit a target at 5YDS and made my hand Black and Blue from the Kick.. Adios to that one..
Have some some Mossbergs..Nice for personal at home protection..
Sometimes its better not to be an expert,Go with what you like..I keep thinking about that Football player who almost blew his leg off due to carelessmes regarding Glocks sensitive safety..Cant bear thought of one inside my belt.. No doubt about it H / K P30 is the Best for the money .. Not to mention How smoth and quick is this Piustol but it’s Beautiful looking as well as convincing.. Glock is a BLOCK , although understand Police probably appreciate them most..I notice GLOCK are a great quantity at any gun shop or Gun show,Kinda like Toyota..Very Ugly Gun.Runs great..
I love my Tundra and my Glock!
Yes Im aware of the H&K, but that weapon flopped, not because it sucked but because H&K didnt do there homework like Gaston Glock did with Carl Walther Germany!! Carl is the reason GLOCKs what it is today, his advertising and marketing skills mmade Glock a household name!
Dave
Try a big H&K 40 45 or even a P30 before you make comments that they Suck.. Since when does Marketing and advertisement make for a good Gun?? You are right about Walter and my P22 is proof that Walter is the Man..
Thousands of rounds .never failed!! Use better grade ammo on the 22.for flawless action
My mentor is a long time Army Ranger.. He Knows about weapons….Thanks..
he said ,,”not because it sucked”
I don’t think the VP-70Z flopped because of marketing skills. I had one. It wasn’t popular because it was chunky and operated by blowback. This was because it was a civilian copy of a military version. That version had a rigid holster which converted into a shoulder stock. When the stock was attached, it activated a 3 shot burst mechanism. If I could have that version, I would trade all of my Glocks for it. Sights were based on light/shadow principal. I thought it was well thought out, just like a MP-5 or G-3. It just doesn’t fit into the every day carry category.
I had a VP70Z as well. I think the reason it wasn’t popular was because it had a very heavy trigger pull and ‘was DAO before DAO was cool.’ I carried mine in a basketweave belt slide kangaroo(extra mag) holster made to fit a Glock. I wish I had it back. Easiest gun I ever saw to break down. What you gave up in stopping power you made up with firepower. Carried it with Glaser Safety slugs in the piece, FMJ in the ‘pouch.’ Carried a double mag holder on my weak side with 1-FMJ and 1-Hydra-Shok to balance me out. A polymer frame is nice when you’re toting around 72 rounds of ammo.
Great job Dave Just plain honesty You tell then Dave
Allen,
You are mistaken to believe that Glock was the 1st polymer pistol. HK came out with the VP70 12 years before Glock introduced the 17.
Thank you!! Glad to see someone who has the facts correct……
Glocks get all the credit as the widely circulated polymer gun. I wonder why HK usp doesn’t get much attention anymore. Still a great gun.
yeah but clocks was more affordable
An excellent write up that isn’t all peaches and cream. I concur with the author based on his comments on the generation3 versions of the Glock. I prefer the Model 36 in .45 ACP for a CCW. The number of rounds is reduced by half but it is significantly lighter and easier to carry. I’m still not a fan of the Glock safety being based on length of trigger pull but because of the other assets of the Glock line, especially reliability, I have learned to accept it.
I’ll keep my 40 caliber Sigsaur P229, but thanks any way.
I carried a Model 21(G 2) as a duty weapon as a deputy sheriff for a number of years and also carried it as an off duty weapon. A few years before I retired I purchased a Model 30 which is a shortened version of the 21. Both are great guns and the Model 30 has a ten round magazine or you can use the 13 round magazine for the model 21.
Great guns.
My friend got the 30 gen 4, but my hands are a little to big for the subcompact. im going into law enforcment soon too. either way, i went out shooting his 30 gen 4 and it was a tad bit too small. so i ordered the 21 gen 4. and am awaiting its arrival impatiently. they are great guns, and i held a 21 at a gun shop the other day and it felt great. for 497.00$$ after tax, i tink the glock 21 gen 4 .45 caliber is the best deal for me.. but i still wonder if there is a better deal out there for a simular gun.
I bet those extra rounds of 45.cal add weight to the package as you wear it concealed too. I still prefer my G23 40.cal for CCW. My homey Jericho 941 (Baby Eagle 45.cal) stays next to my wife and I at night. My wife loves to burn ammo with them both too. I just might buy her this new G21 for her birthday though. She’ll love the idea of extra rounds in the mag. More ammo please!!!!
Great review. While I consider the Glock to be a good pistol, I personally feel they are far over-rated, and had it not been for the fact that they were the first popular polymer pistol, tey would not have the following they do today. To me a turture test is more than 200 rounds. A gun writer bought two Springield XD pistols out of pocket and put them throught the exact torture test that Glock sues, and both pistols came through with flying colors. As a former deputy sheriff, I wish the XD or XD(M) pistols had been around when our department first allowed us to carry semiautos. Shortly after I left the department, they switched to Berettas, feh. I currently carry an XD-40 in a Serpa blackhawk holster or the holster that came with the pistol. It is a good thing that we don’t all like the same thing, it would be a pretty sad world.
Thank you for your unrelated post.
G21 gen 4 is the “if you can ave only one handgun, ever” handgun. Last forever, accurate. Glitch free. Of course I could post something unrelated to the review like “boy 2911’s shore r peretty, Gloks is ugly”. Guns are tools people!
If you are a roofer but find claw hammers ugly and lust after a ball pin instead, use one. You’ll find them nails are real hard to pull out now but look at or, it’s peretty.
Huh? Glock over-rated? How so? By the fact that they have a lifetime warranty? The fact that they are always improving (gen 4 now)? Maybe the fact that the pistols you mention are COPIES of Glock with added stupid such as a higher bore line which tends to increase muzzle flip this controllability. (I know I know, you do not suffer from this malady). But really when it comes to polymer pistols the inventors are still the best. But it is true that preference can be satiated with the offerings from the late comers.
Glock have a one year warranty, but they are great about taking care of customers for free, no matter how old or when you got your Glock, used or new. If your dog chews the grip up Glock CS will fix it for free 99% of the time. My G21 gen 4 is better than all of you all Glock,s…..because it is mine. IMO….lol. Glock fan boys do get carried away with themselves. Glock makes a great gun so do many other gun makers, it’s hard to find a gun made by a reputable company that is a total POS, most run 100% out the box. These are good times for semi-auto pistols.