The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) gave us a brief update this week on the status of those highly-coveted surplus 1911s. Looks like there won’t be as many available for purchase this year as we may have hoped.
“While the National Defense Authorization Act granted transfer of a maximum of 10,000 1911s per year to the CMP, the Secretary of the Army allowed only 8,000 1911s to be transferred to the CMP for sale and distribution this fiscal year,” said Chief Operating Officer Mark Johnson in a press release.
SEE ALSO: The CMP Plan to Sell Army 1911s Reeks of A Power Trip
“Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned,” he continued. “The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.”
CMP at this time does not know how many will be available next year.
If you want to score one of this historic pistols, you need to get your ducks in a row. The process to purchase one is more involved than a simple NICS check. It’s much more involved! See details below or visit: https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
THE PROCEDURES FOR PURCHASING 1911 TYPE PISTOLS FROM CMP 1911
Every applicant will be treated as a new customer to CMP.
Previous purchases or relationships with CMP create no advantage or disadvantage to the customer.
CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records.
CMP 1911 CUSTOMER PURCHASE DETAILS:
- CMP 1911 order form packet will be posted on the CMP website thecmp.org on 4 June 2018 for download – click on CMP 1911 icon.
- CMP 1911 customer service number is 256-835-8455 extension 461.
- CMP 1911 customer service email address [email protected].
- Only ONE CMP 1911 order form packet per customer may be submitted.
- CMP 1911 order form packet must be mailed to the following address. This includes USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc. Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO 4 September 2018 and NOT AFTER 4 October 2018. Any orders received postmarked prior to September 4 will not be accepted. Hand delivered, emailed and faxed orders will not be accepted. Only orders sent to the following CMP 1911 address will be accepted:
CMP 1911
1800 Roberts Drive
Anniston, AL 36207
- Customer names from complete CMP 1911 order form packets will be fed into a computerized Random Number Generator on 5 October 2018. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequential order through the random picking process. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator. The CMP 1911 customers will select their grade of pistol (Service, Field or Rack) from available inventory at the time of order notification. Customers with higher numbers may have fewer grades from which to choose. When this year’s allotment of 1911s is exhausted, the remaining orders will be held in the existing sequence for all future allotments of 1911s. The CMP does not know what future allotments might be.
CMP 1911 FFL CONTACT INFORMATION DETAILS:
All 1911’s will be shipped to a 01, 02 or 07 Federal Firearms License. Customers MUST provide a signed copy of the 01, 02 or 07 FFL.
- CMP 1911 dedicated fax number 256-831-2354 for FFL dealers to fax their FFLs with the customer’s name attached.
- CMP 1911 dedicated email address [email protected] to send their FFLs with customer’s name attached.
- CMP 1911 is currently accepting FFL contacts pursuant to FFL requirements.
CMP 1911 PRICING:
CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP’s enabling legislation.
Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction. Note: If you have already purchased a 1911 from CMP you will not be allowed to purchase an auction 1911. If you purchase an auction 1911, your name will be pulled from the sequenced list. No repeat purchasers are allowed until all orders received have been filled.
The shipping cost is included in the price.
ADDITIONAL CMP 1911 DETAILS:
- Potential purchasers will have to provide CMP with a set of CMP 1911 documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a completed 1911 order form, including a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. All qualifying documents must be included in your order packet. No qualifying documents, other than the FFL, will be accepted without an order packet. Note: The signed copy of the FFL may be faxed or emailed to CMP 1911 with the customer name attached. CMP Eligibility Requirements for ordering may be viewed on the CMP website at https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/.
- A NICS background check on each customer will be performed by the FBI to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a “proceed” from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
- The CMP customer will be required to complete a Form 4473 in person at the FFL dealer’s place of business and successfully pass a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer. Note: The FFL licensed dealer in which the pistol is retrieved from will have to follow all federal, state, and local laws.
- All orders by customers will have to be filled prior to any customer getting the opportunity to purchase a second CMP 1911.
- No 1911s will be available in the CMP stores, or on-line. Only mail order sales will be accepted. All 1911 orders must be delivered via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc. to the CMP 1911 address listed above. No in store or at the door drop off orders will be accepted.
- CMP will stop accepting orders at the end of business on 4 October 2018. Customer’s names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator. The sequenced order for customers will be established and each time CMP receives 1911s, customer orders will be filled in the originally established sequence. No one will be allowed to repeat purchase until all orders are filled.
- The customer’s sequence number will be sent to the individual via email once such sequence number is established.
- Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
- Pistol grade and payment arrangement will be established when the customer is contacted by CMP sales staff at time of purchase. DO NOT send payment with your 1911 order. Customers will have 5 days to submit payment once notified.
- 1911s from CMP will be allowed in California because they meet the California definition of Curio and Relic. They will ship to 01, or 02, or 07 FFLs in California. At of the time of this release, only the state of Massachusetts will not allow the sale of the 1911/1911A1 pistol.
- All required information is included in this release. If you have questions, please email the address listed above. If you choose to call the number listed, please be prepared for a long wait time.
REASONS FOR THE TWO NICS CHECKS:
First Reason: The first NICS conducted by the FBI for the CMP makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be returned to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more time the pistol is in transit, the more likely it is that it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the FBI for the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures and all federal, state, and local laws.
Second Reason: CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS; the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check performed by the FBI and to get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license holders. CMP’s legislation contained in the 2018 NDAA specifies FFL licensed dealers. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by the FBI on an FFL licensed dealer’s premises.
The 911 is NOT being offered to collector ‘s 03 FFL. They are being sold to those with 01, 02, and 07. All how are suppose to sell and not collect. What’s the deal with this? A new roll came out, or just a way to make money? What’s up with this and why not sell to the True Collector’s and pistol that meets all the C&R guide lines?
I think Jamie set the prices and is set to get *hit canned when they don’t sell.
I’m going out on a limb here with no risk to myself. I’ll say for the 8000 1911 pistols available the CMP will receive over 20,000 request from true collectors that know what they are doing. Not cheap individuals that want cheap handouts.
Boy, you can smell ‘Big Brothers’ bad breath all over this one!
FYI
The CMP was setup in 1996 as a Federal 501 corporation free standing from the US Government.
The CMP sole purpose is to promote civilian marksmenship, gun safety and hold national;shooting matches.
As I understand it the CMP sole income is from the sales of Military surplus firearms.
Yes, and FYI, it was actually started in the early 1900’s and not 1996 to promote youth training with firearms if ever needed to be called upon for military service.
And if you think for one second their sole source of income is only the sale of surplus firearms I respectfully suggest looking a little deeper into the company.
And I quote; “A NICS background check on each customer will be performed by the FBI to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a “proceed” from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer”.
Isn’t this the reason the firearm has to be shipped to your local FFL to begin with? Isn’t that THEIR job, because you still have to pass the dealers background check that is required under the BATF’s rules and regs. So why is the FBI evolved in it?
You don’t smell big brother? Seriously?
to complex to order, to high price, its joust moneymaking and not to get these arms in the hands of us people that use them for tactical shooting training. it is sad, a scam.
I cant see me ever buying one of these. The last 1911 I purchased was a Springfield loaded model for about $800. I was issued 1911’s in the service. The springfield I bought is much more accurate than any 1911 I was ever issued even with my older eyes. Not to mention my commercial 1911’s don’t rattle when I walk or run.
Back in the old days, you had to shoot to qualify for a DCM rifle. The price was reasonable, my Winchester Garand was 125, but I had to shoot one and hit the target to get it. Did it get sold for a huge profit? No, it is still here and will be. Did it work when I got it? No, the recoil spring was too long and it short cycled. Considering what the price of a commercial 1911 is, these are hardly “surplus” prices and I doubt a lot of people will jump through their silly hoops. Knowing how inefficient the government is, I doubt the money they collect will even cover the paperwork, I don’t see any profit. Even if they got top dollar for all 8000, 8 million dollars is a drop in the bucket to the gov. I have participated in the past but will be passing on a beater 1911 from any government agency.
Hmmm, with all that red-tape and total BS, looks like an “INFRINGEMENT” to me? Anybody else think so. I would think when one says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, it should be much like running down to the local convenience store and purchasing a can of pop. WHO decided there needed to be an “application” process, forms to fill out, bureaucrats to bow before and beg permission? I’m confused.
The purpose of the CMP was to get military surplus weapons into the hands of civilians. I purchased a M! Carbine from CMP in 1965 for about $45.00 via railway express. The CMP has morphed into a money making organization that destroys it’s original intent. They need to be reorganized to recognize that original intent.
Yep, because those sound targets used at the traveling matches along with the CMP range was free, how dare they try and make a dime
The CMP is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3)… They aren’t supposed to “make a dime” as it literally goes against their primary purpose.
To most of you who thought you would get a nice really collectible 1911, forget it. As usual these pistols
will be cherry picked so that the really collectible ones that are all or mostly original and/or of a smaller
production manufacturer like US&S, Remington UMC, Springfield, Colt Navy or maybe even a Singer that
has been stashed away in some forgotten corner, will go up for auction for big money while the suckers
will be stuck with the rattle clap relics that were junk 40 years ago when I carried them and just can’t be
rebuilt anymore.
Sad the price of nostalgia has gone up. CMP is a bureaucracy it no longer serves the public only itself, I am willing to bet the best one go to friend of CMP. Seems government corruption know no bound. Coppers get first dibs why most didn’t serve. At this rate the odds are good either a black kid or a groundhog will be killed buy a gun sold by CMP. My parent and family paid for them already. Sell them off and give the money back to the people who paid for them, Someone should sue them and force an indepdent appraiser. Price gouging
These are being sold at collector’s prices, and I have enough safe queens. From now on I refuse to buy any gun I don’t feel comfortable shooting. That is the reason my collector’s Colt percussion revolvers have different homes now. I hunt with a collector’s Winchester, and some of my friends have fits. If I can’t shoot it, why have it.
You have a strange perception of what collector prices are.
I have purchased from the CMP when you could only have 1 rifle in your life time and have several but I will leave this one slip by I have several 1911s that are original and in great shape. This amount I consider way out of line just my thoughts
Dont look at the prices on Colt wheelguns if you wanna buy low….
I carried one of those for six years as an MP. I would like to have one of those but they are pricey. The gentleman who stated they are below market value is correct. For some reason they are very expensive. My guess is that they are counting on nostalgia. Some people will pay top dollar, if they didn’t the price would not be so high. Out of the two 1911s I carried, they were both Remington Rand. The manufacturers dates are stamped on the receiver. One was dated 1943 and the other 1944. How many barrels and other parts that were replaced is anyone’s guess. I was able to field strip and reassemble it on a good day on 30 seconds. After I came home a friend stopped by one day he brought his Gold Cup over. We shot some, things are nice. I bragged how fast I could strip and reassemble. I did OK on the strip but the reassemble wasn’t too great. The old 1911s I carried were so loose they were a snap. The Gold Cup was very right. Any way I’ve rambled on enough
. I guess anyone who wants to pay that much and jumps through those hoops deserve one. This is America, you have the right to make those decision. God willing we can keep those right’s.
I can buy a S&W Mod. 625 Performance Center new for $689 right here. Other than FFL & S&H the only extra cost will be some decent walnut grips. I have walnut in the shop, Son & Heir can be conned into checkering the grips, or loaning me some checkering tools. A Mod. 25-2 is available for $895, it already has decent grips. A Mod. 1917 is available for $575; it too has decent grips. And yes, I’m well aware those are revolvers. A Colt Ser. 70 National Match is available for $925. New in box, again all that’s needed is a set of decent walnut grips. So sorry, Charlie; CMP1911 has cocked this up proper.
Expensive paperweights. I’ve shot a lot of these pistols on active duty and never had one that could get through more than a couple mags without choking on ball ammo. Historical or collector value, Maybe? Shooter? Don’t bet on it. Jamie, why don’t you buy them all since you think it’s a good deal.
Never said it was a smoking deal, but it’s certainly a fair deal if that’s what you are looking for. Of course people like you will cry in a couple decades because prices are double and you wish you’d bought one wheb you had the chance rather than cry on the internet.
LOL, there are about 100,000 of these pistols in DoD inventory that will be coming to the CMP and adding to the already saturated open market of used government 1911’s so no, they will absolutely NOT be going up in value, let alone doubling in value in a couple decades. In fact, at the fastest pace possible, it will take at least 10 years for the CMP to sell them all and that will simply not happen at that rate. If anything, the prices on the open market for used government 1911’s will fall over the next decade. In fact, it will likely take at least 20 years for the market prices just to go back to what they are currently, let alone go up. Once these pistols start flooding into the market place and people realize exactly what kind of quality the vast majority of these pistols are, they will likely not be happy when they try to resell them and can’t get more, or even the same amount they originally paid through CMP. As an avid collector myself and an FFL dealer, I think I know what I’m talking about but then why listen to me?…
What do you think will happen to the value if there is a new POTUS that stops the program in a couple of years?
Kenton, if that happens then the values will simply return to what they are currently. The only 1911’s that the CMP will be selling that are of actual collector value are the rare and excellent condition ones that they will be putting on auction. All the rest of these guns will not be anything special.
Sucker born every minute.
This is a joke , Right?? Government proves once again their moon beam lunacy!
At those prices and with all the checks and re checks you could buy a quality 1911 with less hassle.They AIN’T Worth it!
What a crock to charge those prices. The CMP has gone downhill since Orest retired. People will buy them even at those hyper inflated prices for used guns. I was actually excited to maybe add one to the collection. At those prices, no thank you. Good luck.
Explain how those are hyper inflated prices? Go to a gun show/shop/auction and the prices will be much higher.
I can buy 2 low end new 1911’s that aren’t beat to shite for what they are offering as “rack Grade”….
They need to STOP doing Drugs at CMP and look at the Market!
Your mom should have swallowed you when she had the chance.
Their kidding, Right?
Good Luck CMP, you’ll need it at these prices…
Pricing is high for two reasons.
The main one is profit of course and the other is to help keep the guns from winding up in crime scenes.
You mean after the thieves steal them from lawful gun owners. How is a hyper inflated price going to prevent that??
I will honestly be surprised if they can find 8000 people that would want one at those prices and rediculous purchase conditions. As others have stated, one can get a new 1911 for less money and far less hassle. Why bother?
I am honestly surprised you’re smart enough to post such a stupid comment.
These prices are more than correct. I see no reason for the CMP to sell them at $250-450 and then be resold on the open market for the true going price. These are true collector pistols and not a new produced firearm so they can not be compared.
We have all seen the abuse in the past with low priced CMP sales and a lot of these lower priced firearms were sold to make a profit.
One of the most accurate statements made here.
Frank, who cares if someone can buy them all up and sell for a profit, that’s the American way, buy cheap sell high! If you believe they are true collectors pieces snap them up and good luck!
It is the civilian marksmanship program. They are supposed to be making sure shooting sports and marksmanship as a past time are kept alive for.future generations. They have gotten greedy. They already limit the amount sold to a person and have a lottery to make it fair, so the prices are silly. $850 for rack grade?
“They”? Who do you think they are? Congress pretty much tells them what to sell them for.
Uh, no Jamie… Congress has literally zero say in the pricing that CMP sells surplus firearms for, which includes the sale of these 1911 pistols. You know Jamie, you sure do comment a lot on here without actually saying anything knowledgeable or even worth saying. It’s like you’re defending the CMP just for the sake of defending them… Do you work at the CMP?… LOL
The American people already paid once for these pistols. How about GIVE one to every veteran?
How about giving one to every taxpayer first. You can’t have veterans without taxpayers.
$850 for rust, pitting, and non-function. Should I laugh, cry, or both!
All of the above, but also just refuse to buy one. I won’t give them a cent. Their prices are way out of line. Will buy a brand new gun and make new history with it. Taking my kids and grand kids out shooting. That’s what it’s all about really anyways.
Whoa! $1050! $850. I was thinking $250 to $450. These are not new guns, can just get a new Springfield for those prices
Good luck finding a government 1911 for those prices. You’re clearly one of those self entitled snow flakes that wants a free handout.
You must work for the cmp
Only a moron would spend that kind of money on a 70 year old gun.
Only an idiot would make a stupid blanket statement like that.
Seems Jamie is one of them! Haha!
Really? So you think every 70 year old gun is worthless?
LOL, I think Jamie completely missed the irony of his own statement. 😉
Yeah not worth it to me. I understand the whole military collectable thing but I’m not your guy for that. Get a brand new Colt for those prices… Stainless competition, blued gold cup or add $450 and get the stainless gold cup trophy and have a 70 series gun. I’ll check back next year to see if the price drops. $850 for a gun that may not even fire…
You’re awfully hopeful if you think prices are going to go down.
Yea, or we could just not waste our time, effort, and money on a CMP 1911 and simply purchase a former government one that’s already available on the open market and that we can actually see what we are buying for our money… And at likely the same or better price. Good luck with all of that CMP… Something tells me that after the first batch doesn’t sell nearly as fast as they think, we will see the prices come down. Then they will likely change all of these stupid rules back to the normal CMP rules, otherwise CMP will be stuck with thousands of 1911’s just sitting there with nobody to buy them. 😉
Go look at the actual prices of WW1 & WW2 era 1911’s online and realize that these prices are way below market value. No idea why vintage 1911’s are more expensive than brand new modern ones, but they absolutely are.
Even Jesus thinks your statement is stupid.
“Normal CMP rules” maybe you should actually read, this is the only CMP 1911(a new organization, separate from the previous CMP) rules that have ever been in existamcs, handed down by congress.
Good luck consistently finding a GI 1911 for under $1k, and when you do they are rusted pieces of junk.
Prices aren’t going to change, but keep making thoughtless comments.
How many replies are you going to make bashing the majority of people that think the price is out of line? Troll.
Depends how many idiots keep saying the same nonsense.
Also, I have no association with te CMP, but can read and understand this article only skims the the highlights of the whole process. I also can use enough logic to realize that surplus 1911’s aren’t cheap, regardless of condition. Can you get a new 1911 cheaper? Sure. Will it be more reliable? Maybe. Will it have a historic past? No. Will it increase in value? More than likely not.
Well, seeing as how I’m a FFL holder and buy these all the time in great condition for between $900 and $1200 then I’d say I know exactly what I’m talking about… Or don’t believe me, after all, there’s a sucker born every minute and I’ll bet my bottom dollar that a lot of people who decide to pay these prices for these CMP 1911’s are going to be in for a rude awakening when they receive a piece of rusted over-used junk in the mail that they could have bought elsewhere for a lot less or in better condition. So go ahead and buy them from the CMP, it’s your loss not mine. 😉
You do not buy GI 1911 all the time in great condition at the prices you say. Once and a while, sure, but I guaranty they are resold for more if you do get them at a good price. Saying your a FFL holder doesn’t give you instant credibility
You’re right, what do I know anyway?… Enjoy your CMP 1911… LOL
Shameful pricing on this one…all that build up, and this is how you do people. Good job.
Shameful pricing? Doing people? You’re an idiot.
You must be from the tide-pod generation. Hahaha
Jamie must be from the cess pool breeding area. Stupid and deformed in the brain. These prices really are an insult to Americans.
Awww, did the snow flakes just use his best comment? Probably didn’t even think of it yourself.
Only reason they’re an insult is because the tax payer has already paid for them, but that’s not the argument you or anyone else has made. Your just upset that GI 1911 have been selling for prices higher than the CMP has them listed for. I’m sure if they gave them out for free people like you would complain they’re to expensive.
You must work for guns America every comment that I’ve made rebutting your nonsense has been deleted. Must be a bunch of snowflakes that hate hearing the truth.