The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit gave bump stocks new life last week when they ruled to vacate a previous decision that upheld a ban on the devices.
A 2-1 panel of the same court had previously upheld the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms’ (ATF) decision to classify bump stocks as “machine guns.” But now, after a majority of non-recused active judges voted in favor, the Denver-based court has agreed to rehear the case en banc before the full 12-judge panel.
The petition to rehear the case was filed by Utah gun rights advocate W. Clark Aposhian, backed by the nonprofit New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA). The NCLA called the previous decision from the Tenth Circuit “troubling” and argued that Chevron deference does not give a federal agency a blank check to interpret federal law however they see fit. Chevron deference is a legal concept that allows a court to defer to an agency’s interpretation of an ambiguous statute.
“The full Tenth Circuit has recognized the troubling consequences of the panel’s prior decision,” said Caleb Kruckenberg, Litigation Counsel, NCLA. “Chevron deference cannot guarantee a win for an agency even when the parties agree it doesn’t apply, because it contradicts the constitutional rule that criminal laws should be construed against the government. We look forward to the Court setting a major precedent limiting Chevron’s unconstitutional reach.”
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This decision from the Tenth Circuit could give new life to other bump stock cases in other federal jurisdictions. Stephen Stamboulieh, who argued a similar case before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, told GunsAmerica via email that he has informed the D.C. Court of the Tenth Circuit’s decision.
“A good ruling out of the Tenth Circuit would be very helpful to the bumpstock cases nationwide, for sure,” he said.
Stamboulieh called the Tenth Circuit’s decision a “good thing” because he doesn’t believe the court would take the case en banc just to uphold the panel’s ruling. He can’t say for sure why they decided to take the case, but he suspects they wanted a chance to rule on the ever-important Chevron issue.
Bump stock cases in the Tenth Circuit and in other federal jurisdictions hinge on whether the ATF can interpret (and reinterpret) a federal statue that appears to be ambiguous. Between 2008 and 2017, the ATF issued several letters determining that bump stocks were not classified as machine guns. Then, following the Las Vegas massacre, the ATF changed their minds and outlawed the devices.
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In a similar case in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, Judge Dabney Friedrich ruled that Supreme Court precedent and the ambiguity of the federal definition of “machine gun” allow the ATF to change their previous determinations.
The 1934 National Firearms Act defines “machine guns” as:
… Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
Friedrich argued that the ATF can reasonably reinterpret “machine gun” to include “bump stocks” because “a single function of the trigger” is ambiguous enough that it can be understood to mean “a single pull of the trigger and analogous motions.”
“Automatically” is equally ambiguous, according to Friedrich, so the ATF can “reasonably interpret” this term to describe bump stocks. The devices, she says, “relieve a shooter of enough of the otherwise necessary manual inputs to warrant the ‘automatic’ label.”
The Tenth Circuit’s decision to rehear the case does not change the categorization of bump stocks. They will remain illegal to own until Congress changes the statue, the ATF changes its interpretation, or federal courts rule that the ATF exceeded its authority.
The Constitution prohibits the making of ex post facto law – which is a law that makes something retroactively illegal that was legal when carried out. BATF Bump Stock Ban is an ex post facto ruling with the weight of law. I am not sure why this has not come up in any of the Bump Stock cases that I am aware of?
I prefer real machine guns lets get the ruling that allows the taxation of a constitutional right repealed . I still remember 1980 the 200 tax was actually unconstitutional but most of us just went ahead and paid it anyway.
Did anyone else find it amazing that the Trump Administration banned a perfectly legal gun part and private property (bumpstock) without legislative action, financial compensation, or grandfathering?
You may not personally like bumpstocks, but your ox may be the next one gored.
All REAL gun owners and 2A advocates should rally behind keeping bumpstocks (and all other accoutrements) legal.
Unite or lose divided!
A lot of states already banned them so a federal over turn of them would be a moot point for most. Personally I’d take the binary trigger over the bump stock!
Not necessarily. When I took Civics in High School, I was taught that Federal Law trumps State Law. And, for what I paid for my Bump stock, you could get a couple of binaries, which actually meet the “Machine Gun” definition. Besides, if you’ve not fired a bump stock, 1. it’snot so easy as most believe, and 2. when you DO figure it out, it’s a blast! Total waste of ammo, but, a blast…
I prefer the good old rubber band method. It can be carried in your pocket until needed.
So what does a victory look like for the plaintiff in this case? I would imagine some form of compensation for consumers and dealers that can document a loss, that seems fair. Without any immediate regulation, sales would have be an option for anyone willing to risk the venture. I imagine the case will take months maybe years and Trump or any other Rep will probably never get the necessary legislation to settle the issue in any reasonable manner. With Biden or Harris all bets are off and the camels nose is in the tent So I get that much now, that was the plan all along. The Reps used a delaying tactic and got what they needed and the Dems are just waiting for the best opportunity to let this issue drop on America’s lap once again. This must be another example of the era of the “false peace.”
I have NOT memorized the legal definition semi-automatic fire, I always thought I knew it when I saw it. Much the same with full-auto, I fired that and three round burst while in the military and the difference between the two was obvious at one point. I have no idea or interest in how a bump stock functions or what rate of fire can be produced. Whatever the case, it does NOT semi like semi-automatic fire to me but appearances might be deceiving. If a bump stock does NOT fire full auto, then does that mean that it just somehow falls into the category of semi-auto? Could semi-auto risk being redefined with this case? I guess I will find out these answers soon enough but the possibilities make me nervous.
The little I know on the facts of case seems like the bump-stock meets the “letter of the law but not the spirit” but I am content to reserve final judgement. Any merit in the case is way beyond the bump stock itself, the devise is of little or no value. I might be an “Elmer Fudd” but I am sure to be more sympathetic to the cause then the average voter. Of course, technical and legal information is important but that is just a part challenge and examples of what NOT to do are easily found. It will take talented people with some appeal and great powers of persuasion to try and limit the fallout that will likely accompany this case, I do NOT envy them. I hope there is a brilliant plan to follow up a successful case and avoid a “Pyrrhic victory” for the 2A. Good luck with that.
Reeeee, muh but my gun rights. Give me a break, No real person says, “I voted for Trump 2016, or I used to support Trump, but this bump stock thing is just SO BAD….well, I just can’t vote for him now”.
Seriously, these people are concern trolls and total commies. Don’t engage them, they are here to suppress your vote. If one issue is enough to throw you over the edge, then you didn’t support the President to begin you soy drinking, America-hating pedophile.
Oh, and “I wish he wouldn’t use Twitter so much, that triggers me”.
It should also be observed that “buml stocks” are not covered under the new interpretation by the ATF because they do not factually “harness” recoil energy to create reciprocation. Continued firing only results by the shooter consciously applying forward pressure on the upper receiver, to willfully press the trigger against their resting trigger finger for each shot. Once the shooter stops applying that forward pressure to allow reset and fire of the trigger, the firing stops. Even under ATF’s new interpretation, Bumpstocks are manifestly not firing automatically. And that’s the real problem. Writing a rule that says elephants are banned, then calling zebras “elephants” subject to a ban.
Most of my interest is large caliber single shot and bolt action hunting rifles as well as handgun revolvers. It seemed to me people were having fun with bumpstocks and I’m not aware of criminal misuse except for the Vegas concert shooting, which appeared to me to be a targeted political hit on Trump,Vegas, NRA, That the little T**d used a dreaded hated AR and a bumpstock, shooting at a group likely to lean conservative seems all the more contrived. If he in fact wanted to kill a large number of people he had far more deadly means at his disposal. The left was poised to jump all over this, Trump let the air out of their plans. Think back wasen’t concealed carry going to produce a blood bath? banning high cap mags, etc.
An interesting note, the ATF has stated in previous cases that it only has the authority to ban devices that operate as a machine gun which causes multiple bullets to fired as the trigger is “pulled.” Such was the determination in 2006 when the ATF issued a determination on an “Atkins device” shortly after the product went on the market but then the agency reversed itself and ordered inventor, Atkins, to stop selling the devise. The ATF blamed the reversal on faulty testing involving a misfire and thus the agency determined that the use of a spring had in effect rendered the tested firearm a “machine gun.”
I do not like bump stocks. Waste of ammo. Makes us look like we’re trying to circumvent the law (to gun-neutral folks). TBS I would sure like to go back and review the basis for all this: The Las Vegas massacre. I think the ATF should thoroughly review the rifles used by the killer to positively eliminate the possibility that the sears were altered. The NRA should sue to examine those rifles too. People, leave Trump alone! He is fighting for our rights like no other President, ever! Be aware that there are such things as trolls, and they are left-wing dems trying to get your goat. Nobody’s perfect. I’ll settle for very, very good! MAGA!
Sorry to be the one to inform you but Mr Trump is rabidy anti gun. I voted for him in 16 and will again this year only because the opposition is far worse. Please do not lie to people and say he is fighting for our rights. He is the reason bump stocks are gone. After the shooting at a government building in Virginia Beach, Mr Trump said he wanted to ban suppressors. Fact, he is antigun.
I do not own bump stocks, I have no desire to own them either, but since I am not a Fudd I will fight for people that want to own them.
Remember eventually they will come for what you own also.
At every Trump rally he mentions he’s fighting for our 2nd amendment so we can keep our guns. I would like to know just what the fuck he did for us in the last four years besides ban bump stocks? He ran on a country wide reciprocity for CCDW while he had a republican house and senate in the first two years. What the hell happened to that!? You’re right. He lost my vote but the opposition is so radical that I have to vote him in.
I have no personal interest in bump stocks (stupid toys that waste ammo, ruin rifles, and just make noise), but the real issue that must be challenged, and defeated, is the PROCESS of enacting gun control and bans based on executive fiat. That is bad now, and would be far worse if some leftist Devilcrat like Biden were to use that precedent to enact his personal wish list with the stroke of a pen.
The precious bump stocks were approved by BATFE under the BHO administration. The bump stock has the potential to undermine all legal arguments involving “common features” that could threaten legal status of all semi-auto firearms. Seems like many well intentioned people here jump at any shining object and embrace BHO’s “Trojan Horse.”
Kane, I was looking at a number of the comments here, looking for the best one to reply to. You win. What you just stated is so ignorant I don’t believe you are even qualified to engage in this conversation. You just parroted NRA propaganda, Mr. Fudd. No, Obama’s BATF DID NOT approve the bump stock. That absurd notion displays a complete ignorance of the law, both statutory and administrative, and of the Firearms Technology Branch at BATF. They do not have the power to approve or disapprove a damned thing. They have extremely limited abilities to categorize firearms as they relate to statute. Period.
What BATF did, during the Obama Admin, was to correctly determine that a bump stock is a molded piece of plastic, and not a firearm. Therefore, they have no legal authority to regulate it. Period. This BS about “approval” is a left wing, Democrat lie, one the NRA adopted when their panties wadded up. Testimony within BATF has documented that the actual technicians at the FTB got it right the first time, but as with the Akins Accelerator, the POLITICAL appointees at the Bureau ordered them to ignore the laws of physics and declare a firearms accessory to be a “machine gun.” This is why, no matter how clear the statute is, one can never make it fool proof. Why? Because fools are too clever. As you have so clearly demonstrated.
Rollin L., I skipped past the “NRA propaganda” and went directly to the “ATF” web sight after reading your comment and found the following.
“Bump Stocks
On December 18, 2018, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of “machinegun” under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.
The Final Rule
The rule will go into effect March 26, 2019; 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.
The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.”
Phooey, phooey, phooey, there is so much you have written that deserves a worthy reply but I will skip over the many insults and go directly to the relevant issues. Since the legalese is over my head, you can explain how the DOJ “has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that “bump stocks fall within the definition of ‘machinegun’ under federal law” according to the DOJ?
What specific BATFE “regulations” are being amended? And who established the said “regulations”? Please explain how the patent holder of the bump stocks sought approval if NOT through the BATFE and remember to relate your answer to the AFT’s own claim that the DOJ has “amended the regulations” on December 18, 2018?
Before you answer those question do NOT forget to consider in your answer that the DOJ has clarified “that bump stocks fall within the definition of ‘machinegun’ under federal law.” Also, please explain if the DOJ has the authority to determine both “statutory and administrative” concerning firearms? Did the DOJ over step it’s authority? What role did the DOJ play during the BHO administration when bump stocks hit the store shelves? Did anyone approve the bump stocks during the BHO years, provided the details?
Also, I was under the impression that the BATFE, during the BHO administration” conducted an illegal gun running operation into the sovereign nation Mexico by approving illegal gun sales to known criminals in the US. You said that the BATFE does “not have the power to approve or disapprove a damned thing.” So, according to you I was wrong, the hierarchy of the BATFE would never over step it’s authority and approve a “DAMNED THING.”. So what happened in that case.
I check my work and I hope you do also. Pony up.
“POLITICAL appointees at the Bureau ordered them to ignore the laws of physics and declare a firearms accessory to be a “machine gun.” This is why, no matter how clear the statute is, one can never make it fool proof. Why? Because fools are too clever. As you have so clearly demonstrated.”
Rollins L, I must have missed this part with my first reading since it seemed like just an insult laced rant. No matter what I believe on the Constitutionality of the IRS of the Federal Reserve I try NOT to ran afoul of the former and try to obtain as much of the latter. I would encourage you share some examples of how you live in defiance of political appointees and live by your own interpretation of statutory if you like. Guys like Comey run the government NOT the rank and file unless you live in a mystical nowhere.
One principle I try to maintain on forums like this is to try and treat legitimate supporters of the 2A with a basic level respect no matter how much I may disagree with them. If I suspect that a person is posing as something other that what they claim then I would NOT feel obligated to maintain that same standard but there are lines I will NOT cross. There are many phonies.
I am a Benefactor Member of the NRA, an Life Member of Illinois State Rifle Association and have recently have become a Life Member of the SAF. At first you seemed to me to be a stickler for bureaucratic procedure and maybe a supporter of the 2A but I was NOT sure. Now , I see you maybe in fact be a true supporter of the 2A and understand the unclear message intertwined with the lame insults.
The one and only thing you have taught here is how a some supporters of the 2A, like you, are the worst spokespeople for the cause. Congrats, you score points for the other team, you are the” fool.”
So is owning a bump stock illegal or using one? Seems to me you can own it if you bought it when it was legal to purchase you just cannot use it at this point in time. Time to buy all things legal you want and needs for our weapons while we can.
Owning, possessing, or using a bump stock is now illegal. BATFE as classified the bump stock as a “destructive device” and has not put in place a registration process for a tax stamp. If you are caught possessing or using a bump stock it carries the same penalty as owning and using an illegal machine gun. Slidefire, the manufacturer of most of the bump stocks was required to destroy all remaining inventory under the direction of the ATF. “Mr Second Amendment” Donald Trump is directly responsible for the re-interpretation of the 1934 definition and if this is allowed to stand, would open the door to redefining semi-autos as easily convertible to machine guns by another anti-gun administration.
David, case well made. However, one correction. Bump stocks were declared to be machine guns, not destructive devices. They would be legally registerable if they had been declared destructive devices, but cannot even be made into post May 19,1986 post samples once declared as machine guns. That was part of the NRA’s propaganda. Once justifiably called out for pushing gun control by Executive fiat, NRA pretended that they thought existing owners would be able to grandfather any bump stocks they possessed. This is the question you were answering from Francis Miller. But NRA knows the law, they just don’t think their membership is smart enough to know it as well. An existing machine gun that is not papered CANNOT be retroactively registered, not even by a Special Occupation Tax paying dealer or manufacturer. There is no legal provision for an already existing bump stock to be registered as a Dealer Sample, so there is no way any person or company could have grandfathered and kept their bump stock. NRA lies again. And yes, Trump screwed us on this, no question.
What a coincidence, there is another guy posting under the exact same name as you Rollin L. This rude guy told me that “what BATF did, during the Obama Admin, was to correctly determine that a bump stock is a molded piece of plastic, and not a firearm.” Here you state that “bump stocks were declared to be machine guns, not destructive devices.” Seem like something important must be missing from one of the Rollin L commenting on this topic.
In your opinion, did the NRA have any legitimate concerns about the potential legal issues that bump stocks could raise with previous case history?
No President gets things 100% right or perfect…..including Trump. Perhaps the MOST important thing a president does is nominate judges for the federal court system that have life time appointments that can last many many years. In that respect, Trump has done very well by nominating literal constitutionalists as appointees and not those wanting to judicially legislate a liberal view. If Kampala is elected president, she’ll have maybe 4 possible SCOTUS appointees. Get it through your thick heads! Quit the Trump bashing, because the Dem agenda( they’ve already said it) is total gun bans and confiscations. Hold your nose, shut your trap, and support Trump because the alternative is S@@t.
I go both sides on this one.
Even if the BATFE ban is overturned – a number of states also have bans by statute – which will be a little harder to overturn, than an administrative agencies “arbitrary rule change”.
Example – Florida Bumpstock ban:
790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.
Which is very arbitrarily worded – “used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.” – could mean many things.
OTOH – not being a fan of bumpstocks myself (prefer binary triggers, which actually allow for controlled/controllable fire) – I saw this as “throwing the anti-gunners a bone”. Some may see this as the administration “capitulating” – and in a way it is. In another way – it threw them a bone to chew on for awhile. And are bumpstocks really the hill we want to die on?
The biggest issue I had with it – was “lack of compensation” for bumpstocks currently owned. Existing ones should have been “grandfathered in”, or at worst – a “registration period” (similar to when FA’s were grandfathered in).
OTOH – with the left talking “bans & buybacks” – are they really planning on giving me what the ACTUAL VALUE of my guns are?
You can express disappointment with DJT over this – but if it turns you into a Biden Voter, you have bigger issues than a bumpstock ban.
My understanding was BATFE approved the “bump stocks” under the BHO administration and refused to reverse that approval under Trump. The NRA urged Trump NOT to use an executive order to reverse the BATFE determination and somehow the DOJ was able to enact a ban. This dangerous issue is one created under BHO and his long term intentions were probably to destroy all previous legal arguments. BHO and his clever minions have left many wells poisoned that are still being discovered.
No. The ATF legitimately found that bump stocks were not machine guns by the techincal merits and the letter of the law. It wasn’t even on Obama’s radar as something to deal with, especially since they would have been irrelevant if Obama had gotten his AWB.
The only dangerous issue is the ATF deeming a stock that merely stabilizes bump fire operation that all semi-autos are capable of as “machine guns”, and ignoring and lying about the technical operation of the devices as a pretense to allow enforcement.
Suggesting that bumpfire (a mode for all semi-autos) is a problem, or even that “firing fast” is a problem, or that the Obama administration should have made progress in banning weapons that fire quickly (most modern arms) is nonsense and dangerous to the protection of gun rights.
Sadly, Florida banned the binary triggers along with the bump stocks. Not cool!
The bump stocks were a pressure point, and of course, most gun owners were more than willing to cave and screw those who had them over to slow the incremental loss of freedom by the appeasement of the anti-gunners.
Churchill said that an appeaser is someone who feeds an crocodile hoping it will eat him last. The appeasers of the gun grabbers are doing precisely that.
They didn’t see Delaney Tarr’s speech at the astroturfed “March For Our Lives” BS a few years back: “When they gives us that inch, that bumpstock ban, we’ll take a mile.” Or maybe they didn’t care.
You put anyone’s rights on the auction block, and eventually yours will be sold, cheap, as will you. And now people need more guns than ever to protect themselves, and face it, if you are dealing with a violent mob, a bumpstock is a force multiplier.
No more steps backwards for the sake of legal niceties and hoping the next turn of the screw won’t be the last for our rights. Violent mobs are screaming death threats, burning buildings, attacking citizens, etc. and it’s no time for legal BS.
In fact, it is long past time to consider a future where the Liberals and their gun laws and agencies don’t rule us anymore. If the Republic is to be saved, it will be saved by armed citizens who tell bureaucratic gun control idiots to do something anatomically impossible, as our lives are at stake. Those armed citizens must make sure the conditions causing the latest unpleasantness never happen again. The country will owe those people, big time, and that means getting rid of the laws that sought to disarm us in the face of this madness.
Good, maybe there’s a one percent chance I can pull out my stocks and actually use them as I bought and never had the time or chance to shoot them since I thought I’d have them for life being as I bought them legally and paid for goods the FEDS said was legal which I still to this day have the ATFE’s letter with the moron at the time or maybe still present day who was or is still head hauncho signature on all I have. I’ll keep them till I find someome to buy them from me since I’m NOT EATING HUNDREDS IN LEGALLY bought accessories as that’s ALL they are… Accessories! The government named them some B.S. like destructive devices or I’m pretty sure worded sounding much worse so since THEY put them in that category then THEY don’t have to pay is shit and WE DON’T HAVE to turn them in and like I’ve thought of MANY times is why not have at least one of my AR’s with one of my stocks in it since THEY MADE ME A POTENTIAL FELON the second they CHANGED THEIR MINDS! OR JUST out right build a full auto SBR for all I care since they BOTH ARE TECHNICALLY the same!!! I’ve been a legal CC card holder for well over ten years now and never once pulled my pistol or other wise on anyone so I won’t do the aforementioned, but IF they get the stocks back in the legal column I will pull out mine and never ever remove them again! I’m a person who wanted a bumps stock like millions of others in sure that just wanted to have some fun letting their gun rip for a quick ride as NOBODY has the funds to just open up on shit even the moron in vegas! From what I read that killer has well over ten more minutes of CONSTANT shooting in any direction his multiple suits had to offer him BUT HE CHOSE TO STOP in guessing since he had no ammo left since I saw zero live rounds in all the pics that we can now conjure up and simply shot himself before the and I’m going to say this… Loser cops that there was FOR SURE TWO that knew EXACTLY where he was and CHOSE to let him empty round after round into a crowd of redecks which lets be honest here, is what they were and are, instead of running up and doing their jobs and saving countless lives BUT RHEY WERE AND ARE COWARDS AND SHOULD OF BEEN FIRED! Ever since the government and lame ass trump cheeto MADE the feds do as they did I’ve lost faith in our crappy government and now kind of so what suits me and not what they want! Think about it, hundred and hundreds of thousands if not millions of stick a were sold by many different manufacturers and last I heard a year or so back was something like TEN TOTAL across the entire US bump stock have been turned in so JUST LIKE ME WE ALL STILL HAVE THEM! I still see pics of for SURE NEWLY built guns that RW Arms the company that slide fire gave all the stocks they could sell to when slide fire put their tail between their legs and closed up and GET STILL KEPT MAKING AS FAST AS THEY COULD stocks and then had to send them to a crusher when they KNEW they were being banned and STILL KEPT pumping them out like we needed them for war and I’m the end tried to use for ALL that lost money and in the end got NOTHING except lawyer feed that I bet just don’t stop coming! So come and get them if you’d like to TRY and good luck with that since clearly WE ALL STILL HAVE THEM! Fuck the feds who still to this day have people in prison while they’ve change the law on weed in the states that still have weed related offenders in prison while they TAX TWENTY SIX OR MORE PERCENT IN EACH DOLLAR spent on weed in these dispensaries and yet don’t let out the people who are in for the reason they’ve changed the law on… Makes zero sense to me! Be smart like me and bury your stick a or other gear you bought legally in a PVC pipe wide enough to fit the needed item to be hidden and then put in some of those silica gel packs lie you get inside a new pair of shoes so any metal parts won’t that as much and cover the metal in a layer of grease so it’ll be a useable item when it if you ever dig it up! Pay me for my stocks and I’ll happily SELL them back to the feds! Until I then I KEEP THEM ALL!
Hell yeah let’s prepare are self for all, buy your bump stock . and all the the limp wrist sissy do gooder when the shit hits the fan,go hide behind your mommy dress and cry
Yeah Trump let us down on that deal. You don’t give these people an inch they will take a mile. I had bump stock and never installed it. Paid over 300.00 like 7-8 years ago. I pitched in trash rather than worry about felony offense keeping it. What’s next? Silencers can AR-15, high cap mags? People and guns aren’t the problem. Get that through your thick heads! Mental psych tests? What a joke in many instances they knew all about lot these people and the threat they posed and did nothing with that info.
Agreed! And sorry to say… You called it! So called “high capacity mags” or as I call them “standard capacity 30 round mags” and the real high capacity mags like the X products and magpul 50 and 60 round drums or the hundred rounders many of us have at least one of are in the chopping block hands down if Biden makes office as he’s out right said so and same thing for tthr as the moron government calls them “fully automatic AR-15 assault weapons” that in fact are NOT AT ALL fully auto and NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVWR WILL BE since then they’d be an M4! And NOT an AR ANYTHING! They too are in the chopping block of Biden hits office as again he’s out right said he’d get rid of them first thing! But all mags while you can and every other accessory you’ll EVER need for your guns! SAD!!!!
Thank you donald trump. What a can of worms you have opened! Pretty sorry move on your part.
Would you have preferred Clinton?
No, you should lQQk into the issue more closely and you would find that BHO opened that “can of worms.”
I never owned one and never would, that being said I don’t begrudge anyone that does. I think banning them was a huge over reach and needs to be corrected. Glad to see they are taking a look at this again.