This is a very good assessment article of the cartridges charteristics. The 8.6blk/CM/whatever you want to call it, is definitely a niche cartridge. Yes, it would perform well as a specialty combat cartridge, much like the 300AAC/BLK. As for hunting with it, there is a lot of views and personal perspectives that are interjected into what makes a ideal hunting cartridge. Such as a minimum of 1200 ft lb impact energy for ethical harvesting. Another aspect to consider is the point blank range. The trajectory of subs is close to lobbing artillery. I believe for hunting the 375 raptor would perform better, heck the 45/70 with pistol powder and 600gr bullets would also perform in short barrels for subs while maintaining a similar trajectory.
Maybe instead of offering boutique cartridge/chamberings, offer specialty barrels with engineered twist ratios to
custom load offerings, along with the custom load offerings. Like a 308win barrel with a 1-7 twist and factory 220gr subsonics loads designed for controlled expansion…

8.6 cm! Lol. That’s more than 3 inches!

The questions on the purpose of this round are misplaced. This is a battle round, which can be used as a hunting round. Small package, novel use of energy distribution, short barrel, accurate subsonic up to 350 meters while whisper quiet changes combat.

The Creedmoors at least make sense as target rounds, I don’t get this thing at all. If you want to use VLD bullets, buy a longer receiver. I will never understnd how they advertise the Creedmoor rounds as surpassing the 308 based cartridges when there is less space in the boiler room.

One thing is for certain, this is NOT a Cape Buffalo round, especially out of a pistol, and the individuals who did that are irresponsible.

I’m not sure what problem this cartridge hopes to resolve nor what goals are expected but it sounds like more trouble than it’s worth. Of course the barrel retailers must be ecstatic about another sales opportunity, them and ammo manufacturers, but who else could be excited about such a cludge? Odd that the “Creedmoor” label has been attached to yet another project that truly “needs more”. Other than the original spirt, that tags has a legacy of falling short, if you’ll excuse the pun.

How will this perform in a 16” barrel? Here in Hawaii we’re not allowed to own “assault pistols” (not my choice of name for a pistol) so we’d have to go with 16” minimum.

Reinventing what J.D. Jones already did. Brilliant. They should steal another cartridge he developed just like AAC did his 300 whisper. Oh, and its now mid-2021 this was written circa 2019 and i have never seen this cartridge for sale. Maybe cause of the china flu plandemic. When 300 bo is going for $2-3 a round i dont see this becoming popular at todays ammo prices. But, there is the 350 legend that penetrates as well as a 308, and suppressed fires a 255g jhp with 600+ ft lbs of energy from an ar-15 platform. Yeah that round fits a niche.

This might be a useful cartridge for the spec-ops units but I see no use of it for practical hunting but I suppose Hornady and gun makers will flood the industry with an another advertising campaign chanting how great this thing is just like the 6.5 Creedmoor. Funny, the most “for sale” guns on internet gun sites are 6.5 Creedmoor’s, what does that tell you?

What a bunch of complaining ninnies. Ok, fine, you guys don’t get one. I’ll get one. it looks great. Geeze. Whiny geezers kill so many good products because EVERY new cartridge or platform is just “a solution looking for a problem”… no, this is a VERY practical idea. Lets look at the problems:
1)- small packages have power problems except shotguns. but shotguns have speed and capacity and range problems.
2)- rifles are more versatile, but they’re long, hard to pack, a lot of weight goes into the barrel unless you settle for whispy barrels with inferior harmonics/heat management. And the powerful/hunting type autos are WAY too loud in short agile packages.
3)- for home defense, an auto has advantages over shotguns, more capacity, better armor pen, easier to reload fast in a pinch. But smaller autos have less “instant” incapacitation power than a shotgun. a short action battle rifle type gun VERY effective for home defense except: it’s instant deafness, and sometimes you get bad overpens in the home. But regardless, if you get an SBR, you lose too much power, gain too much noise.
4)- a lot of people love suppressing their guns. But the suppressed 300 blk has low stopping power. This increases that significantly. And more importantly, you can use large bullets at supersonic speeds that burn in a shorter barrel. That means you can use a more agile “battle rifle” type system, and not go horribly deaf, and still get good performance in a short barrel.
5)- the alternative is a bullpup, but you still get a lot of noise, and controls and safety are somewhat reduced. If it’s just defense, I’m sure an RFB would be fine, but the accuracy isn’t where it should be.
6)- the AR15 has become america’s rifle, but the really powerful rounds have 1/3 the capacity and half of the range. The compromise rounds are great, but just haven’t caught on, and the limited envelope/utility of each means each does only really 1 thing well. 300 blk suppresses, but not good range, grendel has great range, but terminal is reduced vs 6.8 and it isn’t as good in short barrels like you’d use in defense or in a brush gun. 6.8 is very versatile, but you just can’t get the full range you can with the grendel. 5.56 is still wonderful, but it’s less useful in the brush or on many animals.

Stepping up to a full power short action solves a LOT of the AR15 limitations. The weight increases can be overcome in a few ways, like an AR10 pistol, or advanced materials. But using a pistol/sbr means loss of performance and massive increase in noise/blast. 308 has historically been bad to suppress and still run an action. The alternatives are great 1 trick ponies but also don’t SBR well or run suppressed.

lets look at how this weapon system can resolve these problems:
you get full power, less size and weight, less blast, use of suppressors super and sub and runs the action. You get full power in a short barrel that is stable, accurate and has more effective range than 300 blk and can take larger game. Capacity is still good, unlike the big bore ar15s. So you can get shotgun like stopping power in the home without losing your ears, still get to use a size small enough for corners or light/small enough for hiking/brush, but still get enough power for dangerous animal defense (unlike most 15s), still get to use standard mags, good tapered rounds for feeding, standard parts and boltface. etc. and if you can get lightweight long ogive palma style bullets made of lighter materials, like a copper hollow point made just right, you might get 400-500 yard range to boot. Note: the Grendel could shoot out past 1000, but due to power levels, it wasn’t advisable to drop medium to large game past 450 yards or so due to dropping below bullet expanding speeds and loss of sufficient killing power for humane reliable kills. This is even true for a lot of 308 designs… maybe 4-500 yards is the top limit for good hunting bullets, especially in shorter hikable barrels.
If good bullet designs can keep the supers going to 1800 fps past 400 yards, with at least 800+ ft lbs for improved on target terminal performance, now you’re talking about a rifle that really can do it all except long range target shooting, except in the subsonic divisions… and do it all in an AR pistol or little ultralight pack gun, like a modified socom 16, or an itty bitty bolt gun.
That’s not a solution in search of a problem. It’s a solution to many problems we’ve just learned to ignore or deal with in other ways.
It’s ok to evolve. Sometimes the change can be good.

The only use I can see for this cartridge is for more penetration, like if the FBI/DEA/CIA/ICE/soldier had a perp trapped behind three walls in a home and couldn’t get in any closer for a kill shot this round might bust thru 3-4 plywood/sheet rock walls to get to them.

The gas version in a piston operated, suppressed 12.5″ bbl with 155gr solid copper or steel core WOULD be a nice tactical package for SWAT/Tac Teams facing body armored suspects or suspects behind cover or shooting from 32 stories up at you. I see potential as an armor (plate/lvl 3a/4)defeating short barreled/compact weapon system.
I believe this high tactical value is the main reason this exists.

With the 375 Raptor and the 45 Raptor, not that i own or am advertising for them, why a new cartridge? They are both more powerful that this one and whose pieces and parts already exist.

I’m 88 yrs old , have hunted for 80 of them. I can’t believe I never needed an 8.6 creedemoor. You learn something new every day!

I’m a big supporter of the second amendment. However, this is just BS. This is just another way to try and sell more rifles and components. Now you have to run out and buy components for 8.6. 6.5 wasn’t enough. I guess you have to give consumers reason to buy. This is just silly.