Noreen Firearms: An AR Pattern Rifle in 30-06? Bigger Is Better—SHOT Show 2014
Noreen Firearms
https://www.onlylongrange.com
Noreen Firearms has a new AR patterned rifle. A new AR. Right. We’ve heard that a lot at SHOT show. You don’t even have to be here in Vegas to hear someone yammering on about a new AR. But Noreen’s guns are a little bit different. It’s an AR all right, but not a 15 or a 10. An AR 10 isn’t a big enough platform for this big boy. We are talking a true long-action AR. One big enough for 30-06.
This odd rifle is the BN36, a logical twist on the old Stoner design. I can see how these rifles could be useful in Montana, where Noreen Firearms makes their guns. That’s a big western state where finding some BLM land to throw lead past 1,000 yards is easy enough to do and also a great place to hunt some of the biggest North American game at extended ranges.
The BN36 weighs in at 8lbs and sports a 22” barrel. The price is around $2,000 depending on options. Noreen also make a number of other AR and bolt action rifles in large calibers. If 30-06 isn’t big enough for you, check out the Bad News model in .338 Lapua. It’s an AR too.
This Bill sounds like he’s a moron, he has to be playing because nobody is that stupid !
I like it I can hardly what to get one of my own . i’m not crazy about the .308 but I love the 30.06 do you have a sign up list for up dates on new products or company info
The reason I want a 30-06 platform is I do own a 30-06 and want to keep my calibers as close as possible.
going back to bill. guess what they used to give us our freedom to choose between the weapons (firearms) we have today. Single shot. And some that i have seen looked pretty dang scary long a blade attached on the end about as long as a sword blowing fire and bellowing smoke yeah buddy what do you think would of happen if those men that fought for our freedom had nothing but pitch forks and shovels it isnt the gun that kills or robs heck i have guns and they havent gone out and killed anyone or robbed them it is no different than saying cars and trucks and planes and boats and anything else with a motor kills people i know right now the eye for an eye thing yeah
Hmm, a light weight version in 9.3x62mm would be a fabulous wild pig whacker. Just imagine 10 or 20 .366 caliber 285-grain bullets flying at a herd (whoops “sounder”) of pigs. 6.5x55mm, too, perhaps?
I owned one of the Noreen AR-10 .30-06. It was extremely accurate, but the magazines were junk. The rifle developed feed problems from weak magazine springs, the bolt would slide forward and crush the cartridge because the cartridge wouldn’t chamber properly. Ordinarily I would have gone elsewhere to get better magazines, but these are proprietary. I had the choice of either using it like a bolt action, designing and building better magazines, or selling the rifle. Since the .308 has similar ballistics for hunting within 500 yards, and only a difference in drop of about 6 inches at 1,000 yards between .308 and .30-06, I opted to sell the rifle at a loss and buy an AR10 chambered in .308. Additionally, the charging handle isn’t screwed into the bolt carrier group with a traditional AR10, thus not worrying about the threads eventually wearing out. The Noreen was nice, performed as advertised, at first, but it sucked in performance over time. I was very dissatisfied.
I also purchased a Noreen 30.06. It also had the feed problems you mentioned. In addition the barrel was loose, the gas port was not in alignment, and the magazines were junk. I sent it back to Noreen and a couple of weeks later it came back with a new barrel, new bolt, new magazines along with a video of 8 test shots. I’m planning on reevaluating it today. I’m pleased that Noreen seems to be trying to make things right.
Now this is something that would fit very neatly into my gun cabinet. It’s about time the 30.06 got some respect.
It’s really simple let’s take care of the real problem not the thing’s bad people us to do bad thing’s but bad people them Selves there are just not enough of repercussions for their actions we need more and harsh ones the worse the crime the worst of punishment what happened to an eye for an eye.
Love these people that “think” someone is going to buy a $2000 plus dollar rifle (or worse yet, a $20,000 plus dollar LEGAL machine gun) to knock off a liquor store or convenience store for $98.07 If someone earned or stole their way into that much cash to butya higher end firearm I’d have a feeling said firearm would be sold before it was used for a petty theft.
‘An AR 10 isn’t a big enough platform for this big boy(.30-06)’. The original AR-10 made in the ’50s was .30-06.
Yeah gonna need sources on that one. Because not only are you wrong, you clearly have never even bothered to do an iota of research. The AR-10 was developed because of the new 7.62x51mm NATO, it was never,before now, chambered in 30-06.
Jeff, that is an interesting perspective. Iron sights? Why not use a spear or knife. I still prefer the Ma Bell philosophy; Reach out and touch someone, long distance. I dont need to see the whites of the eyes of the elk, water bufalo, rhino, or elephant I am going to kill. If it comes down to a zombie apocalypse, the further the better. I do have iron sights on my rifle, I just dont want to ever need them.
if you cant get close enough to hit it with iron sights, you don’t deserve to hit it… my personal fav is 30-30, model 94. develop skills.
Yet long range shooting is just as difficult as stalking….you do realize this rifle isn’t about hunting, right? It’s a long range platform for 1000 yard LR match shooting. If you think dropping coyotes with a 260 Dingo at 700-1000 yards is easier than stalking, I’ve got a rifle and thousands of rounds that’ll prove you wrong.
Ah yes: THE 1919BAR brought back to life. Dillinger and Clyde knew what they were good for, and made good use of them. And the $2k is a pretty decent price for that kind of firepower. How well it shoots at 1,000 yards with high end bases, rings, and scope will be the acid test. And thanks to the gentleman who brought up the .300 Win in this AR format. I’d take a serious look at it, but I’ve put so much in my .300 W’by there just isn’t financial room for everything I want…. 20mm Solothurn, .50 Ma Deuce , .50 Barrett, Minigun, and other little things to play with.
Nothing is a weapon unless it is used as one. They are defensive firearms until they are used in an offensive manor, then they are weapons. Anything is a weapon if it is used in an offensive manner, from a pencil to a cannon.
That is the crux of the matter. Nothing prevents someone from killing someone else with anything they can get their hands on.
Except someone who is armed to prevent that from happening.
It is ALL about the Progressive agenda to make it socially unacceptable to be able to defend ourselves.
I mean how will they take over if we can defend ourselves.
First our guns. Then our property. Then our freedoms.
1.2.3.
The Progressive Handbook.
Let’s keep everything on the intelligent side of things. People are entitled to think what they want.
I think there should be a lane for drunk driving, a north south lane with very high fencing to keep all the parts from getting all over the place. I also don’t think we need to call people names like we were in grade school.
Lizzy Borden used an axe we didn’t make axes smaller. In her day everyone had guns but people had more respect for one another. It’s the lack of respect in everything that has damaged this country. No sense of responsibility to our fellow Americans unless we agree with them politically or they are of the same economic class. I’m 49, I grew up pretty comfortable now not so much. In my fathers day taxes for the Upper most were 90% we still had plenty. We put people on the moon fought and won the Viet Nam war just gave it all way. Built the interstate highway system most bridges etc. We need to calm down crack a cold one around the fire and brake out the photo albums to see all the wonderful woods and rivers we all used to go hunt and fish in. They’re all disappearing guys. Where I live you can’t shoot even if you wanted to. There just are too many people in the way. No creeks anymore the land is dying. It’s not about the 2nd amendment anymore..It’s about the right to have the places we went with our Fathers and Grandfathers. Speech over and God Bless
You are flat out right when you said property you and your Dad hunted on is now a subdivision . I know because my Dad and I hunted on Grandads property since I got old enough to learn all I could about rifles and revolvers . Well Dad told me that Poppa had to sell a lot of his land or trade it for chickens ,mules cows, hogs and a lot of things he needed so his family could survive through the depression . Man did he take care of my Dad and other family members, thats when he said to me ;You will see a recession soon but I hope you never see a depression . I miss him and Mother and like grandpa he did what it took to care for us kids
Highly interested. I would want to know a lot more specifics though.
As much as I like the idea of 3006 like that I will keep my M1A and just keep on shooting and enjoying it.
I recently read on another website. By a large margin-more than all other weapons and calibers combined.The firearm used most frequently in murders is the .22 rifle.
If “Bill” isn’t a shill for the lower than whale crap anti-gun (actually anti-freedom) forces; he’s at least a runner -up for the most uninformed fool I’ve yet to run across.
Make one in 8mm Mauser and the check will be in the mail.
AMEN!
That is exactly what I’m waiting for.
30-06 ? Looks just like my COBB MCR in 30-06. 10 years old…Nothing new.
Damn bill that’s ignorant
War guns? Really Bill? Why because theyre black and use mags? I think your in the wrong place. My Tahoe’s speedometer says it’ll go to 140+, does that make it a race car? Lets keep it intelligent.
Crazy looking rifles. Do we really need them? These are war guns . What we really need is more single shot rifles. And just how can you keep these war rifles away from the crazy people? Think twice before you sell these guns. I know that its all about the money.It is a money crazy country. Lets make guns with a lot less fire power. We all love to shoot guns. Lets keep it safe.
Bill,
You can’t legislate evil out of people. You honestly think slamming a company about building a big bore rifle is going to save people? Check out the stats for gun violence VS. any other form of crime of people on people. Next you will be emailing and getting in chat rooms and railing on manufacturers of common house hold knives,hammers, and ball point pens. The numbers of RIFLES and even hand guns used in crimes is gonna be wayyyyy lower than all others. Get educated Bill. Then get in chat rooms where your opinion is appreciated.
Thanks,
I’m Glad I’m Not You.
War guns? Sounds to me like you are yet another Bloomberg shill trying to tell us what WE need. The last thing WE NEED here is another Socialist peon telling us about the mentally ill using guns to murder people. If you want a gun with “a lot less fire power” you have ten’s of thousands to choose from, from .22LR’s, to pellet and BB guns. Wander over to the Daisy website.
Bill,
Simply put, the media is lying to you. Check the FBI crime stats on the FBI web page, no biased data. A so called “assault weapon” is used in fewer than 100 murders per year across the entire country. In order of weapons used i believe it goes like this: #1 is handguns, #2 is going to be 22lr rifles (most accessable) #3 is going to be hunting rifles and shotguns, and well below hammers, baseball bats, and even bare hands will be the scary looking self-loading (aka semi-automatic) “assault weapon”
If you want to really look at the skewed perception, look at movies with automatic rifles (machine guns) and then try to figure out how many people are killed annually by gun owners with legally purchased and owned fully automatic rifles (known as class III) The answer will surprise you since it’s an infinitely low number of ZERO in 80 years. Yes, you cannot find a single case of a civilian with a legal machine gun committing murder (there was one police officer, but I’m sure the left will ignore the fact that that’s the only group they want with these weapons), it simply does not happen other than in the movies.
Bill, I got news for you. Every firearm is a “war” gun when used as such.
Ever hear of a flintlock? Single shot. Killed millions.
Any gun can be used as a war gun. During times of war people use anything they can find to fight with. Sticks, stones, hands & feet, knives, lumber, baseball bats, tire thumpers, steel bars and pipes, explosives, traps, improvised traps and wounding devices, Bows and arrows, and any type of handgun or rifle to be found. That said, every thing mentioned is an implement of war. Yet every item mentioned has other other uses and it is only when a human takes it upon themself to use any one of these items in a destructive manor that they may be used in a manor to hurt, injur or kill another human being that people such as yourself jump up on a box and start shouting how terrible the inanimate object is that the bad person used to do damage. If you take away the guns, there are dozens of other methode an idiot may use to damage and destroy. Pipe bimbs, car and trucks rigged with explosives, and even pressure cookers rigged with explosives as in Boston. I gue4ss we had better ban anything that an idiot could use as a weapon. That would be everything from pencils to pressure cookers.
Naaa I have a better idea…Lets just give every citizzen a gun and train them in it’s use. Then those idiots would think that banging on a “Armed Citizen” just might not be such a good idea!
You sir are an idiot, and probably an anti-gun troll pretending to be a gun owner.
I’ve got an idea. I’m not sure it’s better than the rest, but it would do some good. Let’s all chip in and buy Bill a 1 way ticket to Russia. Then can he live in the dream state that he dreams of now. Bill, in WW2, a well trained British soldier could fire 30 aimed, target hit shots in ONE minute, which includes reloading, from start to finish. I must agree with the gentleman who suggested you find another forum. As long as you present these goofy remarks, you are going to take a lot of heat. Like lightning-volt hot. 5 times the surface of the sun: 50 million degrees F. Why fry yourself here when you can find others like yourself with which to converse? Just when I think I’ve heard it all, along comes some pinhead to prove me wrong. Good thing I don’t take it personally. When you’re dealing with 280 million citizens and 40 million illegals, I know that statistically you are bound to turn over some rock and find something nobody has ever seen before. So it is with guns. And Billy, we have the 2nd Amendment so we can prevent any nut-case President like Obasturd from seizing total power. Put yourself back to 1776. Do you honestly believe that those honorable men, who signed their own death warrants by rebelling against the insane King George III, would have said they didn’t want rifles of the kind we have today-any and all kinds? I sincerely recommend you see a shrink and plumb the depths of your mind, Perhaps then you will see what reality is, and act appropriately.
Bill (if that’s your real name…IS IT?)
You are probably 1 of 2 things (gross assumption):
#1 – a guilty, believe almost anything the media and politicians feed you, starving for attention and approval from those in positions of authority, kind of guy. The kind of guy that thinks if he panders and says ridiculous things like, “come on guys…do we really need to exercise our rights? I mean, come on…the gov’t. will take care of us right? I mean, let’s be reasonable…and quiet…and do what we’re told so we feel like we are good little servants of the state….Daddy never loved me…” Anyway I digress. You have Socratic flaws in your argument to begin with – these rifles are “crazy looking”, which by any measure – no one who is familiar with shooting or firearms would probably say this considering how widespread the AR style MSR is in this country. Continuing on to “war guns.” Bill, my boy, what gun types haven’t been (at one point in time or another) considered guns that were used in war?
We need more single shot rifles? Judging by that statement, you would be fine with the single shot .50 cal BMG then (contradicted by your request for reduced firepower)? How do we keep “war rifles” (same as “war guns” or not? oh, different topic?) away from crazy people? How do we keep drunks from driving? That type of thinking is irresponsible – that means that you rely on and truly believe that legislation does anything to deter crazy people. If they are insane and proceed to commit horrendous acts (sometimes with firearms) then breaking some pointless gun law aimed at legal ownership won’t do a thing. Not to mention that these types of weapons account for about as much crime as your post counts for sensible gun legislation. You mentioned the money factor. I hate to tell yah, but I have seen some pretty expensive double and single barreled firearms that would probably fit your description as “non-war guns” that would make the cost of these ARs look like a bad tip at a greasy diner. As far as firepower is concerned – Bill, they are not inventing quantum powered rail ammunition launched at .99c where c= speed of light and the mass of the projectile is infinitely increasing as it approaches light speed here. The .30-06 is from…get ready Bill…1906. BEFORE World War I, where I might add – they used bolt action rifles. Finally – keep it safe? SAFE!? Don’t even wax responsible and laud yourself proudly that your post ever had safety as its primary concern. The NRA will do more for gun safety in this country just this weekend than any politician (or any ignorant internet thread posters named Bill Brown) will do in a year.
OR…
#2 – you’re actually a progressive, statist troll who will never understand the value and dire importance of personal, inalienable liberties and this rant was all for nothing.
Bill, Bill,Bill, all guns are inherently safe to shoot its the shooters that make them unsafe. It’s not all about money Bill it’s about advances in technology that make better and actually safer guns than your silly old single shot guns. It’s about making products that young people who are just getting into shooting or have been shooting for only the past few years will want to shoot! You can’t make evil people go away by pushing ridiculous gun control laws and asking for silly single shot rifles. There will always be criminals and evil in the world Bill, laws don’t change things for them, and neither will single shot rifles. You know what will help is responsible gun ownership and more carry permits for law abiding people who take the time to learn proper use of firearms and to be able to use those firearms to protect their families and to hunt with them too if they wish. So get off the gun control garbage and let people enjoy the new technology that brings us quality new guns every year for your and anyone’s shooting enjoyment.
You are kidding right, some how I think you did not serve in the milatary correct? If you look at the statistics these guns are rarely used for anything illegal. There are many of use that fiired these weapons in the service and wanted to continue in my case long range competition in other hunting. You want more single shots for what reason?” A trained sniper needs only one round to kill someone and I served with many that could take out a dozen enemie troops with a good single shot rifle. You are exactly the type the politicians play to I mean the test they use to determine if a gun is good or bad is how it looks and in what way does it resemble something used in combat. Do you know how many service men brought home the 1903 Springfield or Mauser to turn in to hunting rifles. The only way these weapons would make any difference over what we have now is in trained hands and as crazy as things can get in the “Fog of War” there aren’t many of us out there picking off civilians and for the untrained it doesn’t matter. Stop watching TV I know some of these weapons are black and scary to look at but are no more dangerous in the right hands they say a Remington 700 Bolt Action in .308. They again they are converted for milatary use so no one should have one, give me a break lets start working with the facts I think the framers had a reason for wanting this ammendment to be numberr 2. If civilians were disarmed in 1775 there would be no USA nothing has changed except how much time people spend watching TV.
I’m glad you said something, Bill.
Another man once said something… it goes something along the lines of “If a man is trying to kill you with a firearm, it would be reasonable to shoot him with your own firearm.” It was the Dalai Lama in 2001 to the Sun Times.
That’s right, one of the biggest proponents of peace said to return fire. No lets assume that we go with your more single shot theory. You vote? (God help the rest of us) So you probably would vote for someone with similar ideals, so lets use Senator Feinstein (D) CA as an example.
No semi automatic weapons capapble of firing more than ten rounds higher than .22lr. No thumbhole stocks (accuracy is a crime) no threaded barrels (reducing muzzleflash, muzzle climb, or reducing heard decibels to safe levels is a crime) no magazine release button (reloading when you desparately need to is a crime). No black guns (I swear to god that sounded racist)
Do you know who else stripped gun rights from their people? Pol Pot: 1-3 million dead of 8 million citizens. Mao Zedong: 70 million. Stalin 40 million. Hitler: something to the order of 17+ million. Mussolini: only like 1million.
: “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”- Thomas Jefferson
So lets assume people of your ideals ran the country and made the citizens unable to resist the federal government.
Opening the door for a government capable of acting agaist its own people without reprisal.
Twelve armed and armored federal agents bust in your door and you have one shot. That scenario is highly unlikely.
Far more likely you will wake up to the sound of your living room floor boards creaking and be faces with two assailants in the dark who may be brandishing part of your dvd collection or a gun. I forgot to mention lights and lasers on guns are now illegal. So are self feeding weapons. You have a TC single shot breakopen that you use to put food on the table. Against two possibly armed men with one bullet?
Good luck calling the cops, they are there now and response time is still 5+minutes. Lets assume you hold them at bay with your single shot and that they had a crowbar and nothing else. The cops have been called and the two robbers decide that since there is two of them one of you and one shot only…. you killed the first one and the second clubbed you to death with the very fine walnut but of your own rifle.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
At the time, to be well regulated meant to be well disciplined, trained, proficient. Militia included every person (at the time Male) of appropriate age (18-60) capable of rendering military service in defense of their local area and if called upon by the state. I think that also explains security of a free state… rights of the bmp people are inherent and unalienable (see Thomas Jefferson’s other works). To keep and bear arms, to possess, retain, carry (transport on person or vehicle) and utilize. Shall not, I think that means no. Infringement: invasion, breach, to encrouch upon, stepping on ones dick.
So the ability to defend ones self and others was not your topic, but liberals are liberals. Maybe I am crazy: PTSD Night Terrors and Depression, but that happens when you do not kill those who are killing your friends. Do you see what I did there?
Thomas Jefferson said no such thing. This phrase can’t be found in any of his writings. If you can locate it in his writings I urge you to publish your findings.
I’ve been waiting for a gun like you to come into my life !
Remington model 742 woodsmaster
Hey Noreen, I would like one chambered for 35 Whelen. Same parent case as the 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield and knocks ’em dead like a lightening bolt! Just add a barrel bored for a .358 bullet ( rifling should be 1:12 or 1:14 for the heavy bullets). I’ll buy one.
At 8 lbs., that bad boy is pretty impressive but what does it weigh fully loaded? Probably not something you are going to carry around in the woods or climb up a mountain with… Ringing gongs out to 1000, 2000 meter or more is nice if that is what makes your day but personally, I prefer a 3006, which happens to be my personal all-time favorite caliber, in a lighter weight small compact hunting rifle. Just my opinion. Enjoy your “GONG” shooting.
Hey Greg, how about you go ring your own gong and try to know what you are talking about next time! The .300 win mag is a much better flatter shooting round than your 30-06 and the Nemo rifle is used for much more than ringing gongs! It was actually developed by a retired Special Forces General and some of the men that worked under him so it’s a fantastic sniper rifle and long range hunting rifle! It weighs around 10.5-11.5 loaded with a quality lightweight scope attached, and it’s an awesome rifle. If you can’t haul around 11lbs in the field then maybe you shouldn’t be hunting and you should exercise more often! I looked at those Noreen rifles and I am not that impressed from the video and pictures. I would have to examine one in person and shoot it to decide. Oh 15+ years in the Army, fought in 2 conflicts, Desert Storm, and 2 tours in Iraq. I was injured badly during my second tour and I am Medically Retired now. I spent 2 years on the Army Shooting team as well, so,I may know just a little about long range weapons. Now don’t get me wrong the 30-06 has its place, and yes we have used it in battle but it’s not the optimum round for that use. I think it is a good medium range hunting round, but not a military round anymore. We have the 5.56 for short to medium range, the 7.62×51(.308) for medium to longer distance, and the .300 Win Mag, .338 Lapua, and .50 BMG for long range rifles.
For me I use the .300 Win Mag or .308 for most all of my hunting except varmint and small to medium predator (coyote, mountain lion) which I use either the .223/5.56 or one of my favorites the .243. I also enjoy the .260 which is an excellent alternative and flatter shooting than the .308. So please don’t make fun of something you don’t know anything about it’s not becoming and makes people look ignorant. Enjoy your 30-06 hunting and have a great day
Hey army 127 , for being in the military you should show a little more respect for the public. I hate the fact that you got hurt but don’t take it out on the rest of the public , as far as a 300 win mag goes it doesn’t compare to my 338 lapua magnum. But its really sad to hear someone who has done so much for our country. The army is not the only place to learn about long range guns.
Have you guys checked out another Montana AR company called NEMO? They have the AR in .300 win mag with patented recoil reduction so even a small frame woman can shoot comfortably. These guys are railing gongs out to 2000 yards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47VWDsQeGYw
That seems like a much more viable option. There just isnt enough extra from .308 to 30-06 for most guns to spend that much on a different gun. If I were looking to step up why half ass it by only going up roughly 5-10% when for around the same price I can go up 30% in performance? The whole concept just kinda seems like a waste of energy. Im sure theyll sell a few but the AR10 is too established and available to try to swtich, or even start in the smaller market of 06.
Finally they are starting to make the guns in the right Caliber. These look very good for 30-06 and the 308 which is right behind the 30-06 in power and foot pounds for big game.
there was a reason the military went from the 30-06 to the .308. New inovations in powder technology allowed them to shorten the case length and reduce use of raw materials, reduce the size of the firearms platform, reduce wieght, while maintaining the same ballistics. 06 and .308 are both very similar and often it comes down to the load your using and gun your putting it through to get the extra performance. While newer 06 will out perform .308 using the same barrel length and action when you run them through a gas gun your loosing energy. And the differences between the two dont really merit the price of what the knew rifle will cost. With a good gun and good shooter .308 will reach out past 1000yds, just as an 06 will. If you really want a difference step up to 300win mag, 300 ultra mag, 338 mag, ect. Why spend so much on such a small boost when you could get much more for about the same price? Then theres availability .308 is by far more popular then any of the previously mentioned rounds, both factory, and reloading components are more then plentiful as opposed to 06.
Why a 30-06?? Same fodder feeding the Garands, the BAR, the old 40-Xs, all the old rem700s and pre64 model 70s. Add to that those that want to do this in 25-06 or 270. Sorry I digress. Why not??
During Obama’s big ammo scare did you see any 308 on store shelves? I sure didn’t, but you know what I did see in GREAT abundance? 30-06. Everybody had it, and at regular prices. That is why the very first rifle I bought was a 30-06.
The only reason for this in .30-06, for me at least, is continuity of ammunition. A Garand, A 1903 MK I, Rem 700, Rem 742, and a 1919A4 Semi. ( I wish I could afford a full) I also have been looking at building a Gatlin in this caliber, just for fun.
Nice… love that 30-06 load!
I need more info on all the weapons like a good time at the range