Sen. Dianne Feinstein is going to try and ban bump stocks. Make no mistake about it.
The call to ban bump stocks has begun.
Feinstein, Everytown, you know, the usual suspects, are calling to ban bump stocks after the Associated Press reported that they were recovered in the hotel room of the shooter allegedly responsible for killing at least 50 people and wounding hundreds of others in Sunday night’s attack in Las Vegas.
Sen. Feinstein, who has been caterwauling about bump stocks since she first learned of them, said in a statement Tuesday that it’s time to prohibit the popular accessory that gives shooters the freedom to safely enjoy controlled rapid fire without the hassle of NFA waiting periods, tax stamps, and paperwork.
“A ban on bump fire stocks was included in my 2013 assault weapons bill, and I’m looking at how best to proceed with legislation to finally close this loophole,” said the California Democrat. “This is the least we should do in the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. It should be our highest priority.”
SEE ALSO: Feinstein Introduces Bump Stock Ban Legislation with GOP Support
In sticking with the “loophole” theme, Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, also called for a ban on bump stocks.
“Hardware that turns legal guns into automatic weapons should be prohibited,” said Watts on Twitter. “Automatic weapons are highly regulated; this evades federal law.”
GunsAmerica is a big champion of bump stocks. It wouldn’t be immodest to say that Paul’s 2011 article on the original Slide Fire SSAR-15 help put them on the map.
As Paul reflected in a recent review of the next generation SSAR-15 MOD, “My article actually sold more stocks in one day, and picked up more dealers, than all of the other press that SlideFire had received prior to that, combined.”
It’s been fun to watch Slide Fire grow into the company that it is today. They’re good people, hardworking and law-abiding. It’s a shame that they are now the target of a mob that wants to destroy their livelihood because of the actions of a crazed madman.
BREAKING NEWS: NRA Supports Ban on Bump
One can bet that the anti-gunners in Congress will push for a hearing on gun control ASAP. They know their best chance of getting anything through is when emotions are at a high.
It appears that President Trump knows the debate is coming. He told a reporter Tuesday, “We will be talking about gun laws as time goes by.”
Let’s just hope enough time passes for tempers to cool and reason to prevail. Otherwise, it could be the beginning of the end for bump stocks.
Damn rinos and demtards adding a totally unnecessary overreaching back door to total nullification of the first amendment. All that needs to happen is for Pres. Trump to issue one of the famous Obama era “decrees” banning bump stocks. No new law required. You’d think the swamp gets paid on a “new law” basis.
WAKE UP!! All you people saying, “Duuhh I don’t care if they ban bump stocks, I don’t want one….” Wrong answer!! I agree that bump fire is gimmicky toy BUT don’t give these liberal scum ONE thing!! Because then it will turn into something else they’ll want to ban! And then another and then another. Look where it got us in the eighties, we fell for the “common sense” gun control line. NO MORE!! I keep hearing the whiny liberals repeating, “If not now, when?!”—The answer is: NEVER!! We know your endgame is to ban all guns and that this is a game of inches, they’ll slowly chip away until they get EVERYTHING. I refuse to be punished by having MY right to own whatever I want within the confines of the law because of one cowardly piece of human garbage. I’ve got news for everyone if you don’t already know, THERE ISN’T ONE LAW THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!! This turd would’ve found a way even if bump fire stocks weren’t available to him, he had millions in the bank!! The answer is to stop being RE-active and start being PRO-active!! It is shameful that these liberals are using this tragedy to further their agenda! But then again, they have no shame!!
When is the band on pressure cookers coming?
Can’t see any reason that “bump stocks” should be legal.
Holy Cripes man…..For the umpteenth time, STOP LOOKING AT THE ITEM AND START LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE! You cannot concede ONE mere item with these people without risking the REST!!!!! Read the language in the proposed bill. It’s not only overly-broad, it’s open-ended.
The NRA took exactly the WRONG tact with these people. They stood down on bump stocks, and the left smells blood in the water. And now because the NRA went weak-kneed on this instead of coming out swinging like they SHOULD have, that just made our job defending the REST, about 5 times HARDER!!
It’s not about the ITEM. It never WAS!!!! You’re gazing at a piece of pepperoni instead of looking at the whole pizza….. Tell me you’re not that naïve…..
Any new regulation won’t effect my stuff,(single shot and bolt action) why should I care? Because I have a duty as an American. If anything needs to be banned or regulated its law or regulation by madman, if that guy had crashed one of his airplanes loaded with fuel into a crowd, would there be a cry for banning airplanes and fuel? No one has mentioned the movie, the Accountant.
So what if the next guy uses a trigger crank? Then they’ll ban them too, and the next device that they come up with….seems to be a waste of time.
AMERICA WAKE UP ! I am a retired Korean and Vietnam veteran,also 10 years in Law Enforcement. i have been an N.R.A.member for 44 years and I am disturbed by N.R.A. getting on the band wagon with these people that are so intense on taking our 2nd Amendment away. For the first time, I have had thoughts of resigning my membership !
Now let me tell you this and you cant do your own research going on U-tube and searching: bump fire rubber band trick.also bump fire with belt loop. The word “bump fire” is an action not a noun. The correct name is “Slide Fire Stock”. which as you know was approved by A.T.F. it met their guidelines and does not alter the weapon.. It does not matter who the President is, the A.T.F. makes their decision using the guidelines.
To get to my point, you can make most semi-automatic rifles and pistols to do the same thing, using a rubber band or just your finger.. So what;s all this banning of this so called “Bump Fire Stock” ? It is the Liberals putting a crack in the door to ban or even do away with your 2nd Amendment. Why are they so obsessed with gun control ? It is to disarmed American People and tyrannize it’s citizens. AMERICA WAKE UP !
A real sportsman doesn’t need bump stocks or suppressors. I am an NRA life member and have been a member for well over 40 years. The NRA needs to return to its roots. Not what it has become.
What happened in Vegas is nothing but Agenda Politics by the left’s shadow government! You don’t have to be a conspiracy type to see the big picture in all this mayhem that they use to lie to the Masses in which the M is silent! What “We The People” need to demand is that all the Infringements and Restrictions that now apply to the Second amendment be applied to the First then they would shut the H up and stop messing with our Bill of Rights, not Bill of pick and choose!
Well, We knew this was coming . Mrs. Loophole Herself back on the band wagon about the bump stocks. I believe She and Hillary are Sisters, They both can’t wait to use a tragic event perpetrated by a mentally unstable Individual to try and push their gun grabbing agendas down the throats of grieving traumatized Americans. Why, because they know this is the best time to try and get what they want because there are so many people in a Highly emotional state right now. So many People who are only thinking with their Hearts and not their brain. Seriously Folks how thoughtless can you be . What a couple of Cold Hearted ,thoughtless, selfish, Bitter, Ugly BITCHES! Instead of Using and Playing on Peoples Emotions you should be Offering your Heartfelt Prayers (if you had a Heart) and Grieving with the Hundreds of People who just lost Loved ones and are shattered and confused by this Disgusting display of Cowardice by this Sick Individual. I am Truly Disgusted by your Ignorance and complete lack of Compassion for your Fellow Human Beings. The real problem with all you Gun Grabbing Politicians is the Total Ignorance you spew every time you open your mouths and try to talk about Firearms. The first thing you should do is educate yourselves so you actually know what your talking about. Secondly, When you finally come to your senses and realize that GUNS don’t KILL anyone. It’s the Mentally, Emotionally Unstable, Psycho nut job that picks up the weapon that actually Kills. That’s the real Problem We have in America and the Problem you should be working on and everyone Knows that except You Politicians. Here’s a thought. If you took the evil Black AR15 rifle(not an assault weapon) and loaded it with a 30 round Magazine, then placed it on a shelf, As long as no Human Being picked it up. It would still be there 100 years from now doing absolutely no Harm to Anyone. Another thought to chew on, People have been killing each other since the beginning of time when man first realized he could bash another mans head in with a rock or a big stick and if there were no firearms in the world at all People would still kill each other, Knives, Bombs, Vehicles what ever. The next mass killing would be with someone driving a truck into a concert venue loaded with a trailer filled with a fertilizer bomb. You will never stop it and until you realize that you may as well be spitting in the wind. Besides, Everyone who has Half a brain knows what your real agenda is all about, It’s to one day take all Firearms from the Hands of Hard working, Tax paying, Honest, Intelligent AMERICANS. Americans who have the right to Defend themselves and their Families against a tyrannical Government (that’s you by the way) and the Criminal threats in the world today. I’m just damn glad that I’ll never see it in my Lifetime. I only hope That it never Happens because We all know that it just doesn’t work. all you have to do is look back at all the other attempts to control The people by taking their Firearms. It’s a Failure and all ways will be as long as We have mentally Unstable People and CRIMINALS in the World. Criminals will never give up there guns and by taking guns away from Honest Americans your Letting the wolves into the hen house. And If that ever happens then you Politicians will truly see a real Slaughter that will make History. God Bless all who have lost Family and loved ones in this Horrible Crime, and May God Bless and Comfort you in these trying Times.
You said it all. agreed.
Just one last add to this mess of a situation. I haven’t heard anyone suggest the only true way to make sure this doesn’t happen again – ban outdoor concerts and events that can’t be sufficiently guarded against sniper attack. The Secret Service does this everyday for the President – he doesn’t go anywhere exposed where a sniper even has a possibility of completing a shot. Israel has been living with this since 1949 – and they know that passing a law to modify behavior cannot work if the subject has no conscience – or a damaged mind.
This particular situation was tailor made for a sniper armed with a high round count capability. There wasn’t any need for aiming, just spraying the crowd with ammo – the people were packed together like a shoal of fish. If I were a suspiscous (or paranoid) person, one could almost say this was ALLOWED to happen by security personnel with no imagination. Not the police – they are respoonders. But frankly, looking at that site from a 360 degree angle, I cannot believe no one thought of this problem before – and the person who should have should be fired, sued, and jailed at the least.
So, just decertify any venue that doesn’t have a mitigation plan for snipers – problem solved. The Station nightclub fire killed more people than this – but we didn’t close down every bar and club in the U.S., we just paid more attention to fire regs. Not too much attention, since the Ghost Ship went up in flames and killed 36 – and that was clearly a fire that was no accident, unless you consider things with 100% certainty of happening an “accident”.
So why jump on the one solution that is guaranteed NOT to stop the next one from happening. I’d hate to think these folks had an ulterior motive….
Technology has a cure for these situations. Drones.
The idea is to take the engineering approach, and identify potential hazards in advance, and provide for them.
It will involve work, and we need to decide whether or not it’s preferable to wrap law-abiding citizens in straitjackets of restrictive laws, or to use our minds to minimize the danger.
Aerial drones and stationary cameras can patrol large amounts of space at much less expense than using law enforcement personnel to do so manually. We can analyze mass shooter incidents and identify the visual cues to look for in time to at least reduce casualties while law enforcement can arrive.
Again added expense for personnel to monitor the video feeds, but how much is a human life worth?
I’ve always been a strong advocate of Second Amendment rights – the entire Bill of Rights and most unenumerated civil rights as well. If we’re to retain those rights, we need to explain – with evidence at hand – how much cheaper, easier, life-saving and more moral it is to be proactive and use technology to prevent or minimize mass shooter situations than it is to restrict law-abiding Americans’ liberties while criminals and sociopaths can still murder with no restrictions – because they don’t obey laws.
I don’t know who’d pay for the research, but I know that if we can prevent most mass shooters and reduce or eliminate the death toll on the ones which still happen, it would be worth doing to save lives and our civil right to keep and bear arms.
When crazies get ahold of semi automatic rifles with bump fire stocks, bad things sometimes happen. The bump fire stock was twice approved by the ATF during the Obama administration, so to me it passed the legality litmus test. I bought one, more for the curiosity factor. I once owned an M3A1 “Grease Gun” for about 10 years and I have had the opportunity to fire other class 3, automatic weapons. It was fun at first, but for me, it wore off. I haven’t had the opportunity to test fire my stock and with what’s going on because of that mother****** Paddock, I might never get the chance to. Not many, if any gun ranges will allow bump fire stocks now and until emotions ease up and lawmakers have their 2 cents, we bump fire stock owners are in a crappy spot. I feel bad for the law-abiding gun owners who bought bump fire stocks and really get a kick out of shooting with them. Legal, dedicated machine guns cost as much or much more than a new car. The little guy got clobbered once again by a crazy S.O.B. who gave voice to the enemies within.
“GunsAmerica is a big champion of bump stocks. It wouldn’t be immodest to say that Paul’s 2011 article on the original Slide Fire SSAR-15 help put them on the map.”
If that’s true, then I wish someone would explain the email I got from GunsAmerica last night that stated that Slide Fire/bump stocks are no longer welcome here.
PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! For the love of God, if you are going to post something make sure that your write it in a coherent manner! All you do is strengthen the anti-gunner’s claims that pro-gunner’s are ignorant with your absolutely unreadable statements! THIS MEANS YOU LINC Q!
Eric, ease up a little on Linc Q. There are approximately 90 million of us legal gun owners in possession of approximately 300 million firearms in the USA. We all can’t be theologians. It’s important that we all stick together and support each other and each of us support the NRA. We have to stop the leftist, Progressive/Communist, sleaze-ball politicians and leftist citizens and special interest groups that want to disarm America, make us like Europe and subjugate us. We seriously need term limits in all political seats! Let’s us and the NRA get behind that!
Amen on term limits!
Support the NRA? HAHAHA! They capitulated before the fight even BEGAN!!! What happened to all that “Stand and Fight” tough talk last year?? Sorry, but I’ve seen bigger balls on field mice. And because of that capitulation, they just made the job of defending against this 5 times HARDER…. Face it… if REPUBLICANS now feel emboldened enough to jump on board with this, then the NRA majorly screwed up. They should have come out swinging, What they did was indefensible here, and I hope their membership rolls take a huge hit becaue of it.
There are many other gun rights groups out there to join and support, who DIDN’T sell us down the river. It’s time for other, more staunch organizations to take the lead in Washington. I won’t pay dues to people I can’t trust.
Federal law defines a machine gun as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” This definition includes the frame or receiver, any part or combination of parts designed and intended, solely and exclusively, for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled (26 USC § 5845(b), 27 CFR §§ 478.11 & 479.11). It does not include “antique firearms” (26 USC § 5845(a) & (g)).
That first sentence has been the definition of an automatic weapon for decades. A “bump-stock” does not modify a weapon to enable it to fire more than one round with a single pull of the trigger. The trigger still must be pulled each time to actuate the sear, releasing the hammer, striking the primer on each and every round. What you are asking congress or the BATFE to do is ban the use of applied physics in semi-automatic weapons even though physics are required to make the weapon function in the first place.
The BATFE issued letters for the sale of bump-stock related devices twice, because they knew that under the established definition of a fully automatic rifle, this device did not apply. I am sure that the federal government can be coerced in to redefining a machine gun to placate people who have their drawers completely in a twist about rapid rates of fire, but I am willing to bet even most NRA members won’t be happy with the outcome. All that is required is to take it to the next level.
If you want to fire full automatic weapons, go to a range that rents them or join the army! The elimination of bump stocks and silencers is not going to hurt our right to bear arms. How about an automatic death penalty for anyone who comics a crime with a deadly weapon? It is about time we thin the herd of those who will or intend to do harm to others. Some of these comments sound like they come from the same group of rednecks that dress up in camo to go to the gun range!
Agree!
And YOUR limp-wristed sentiments sound like EXACTLY what the left is COUNTING on…. Don’t lecture us on what we need or DON’T need. I’ll tell you the same thing I tell anti-gun lefties…. The 2A is what it is, and that’s ALL the explanation OR justification you’re entitled to.
A piece of plastic. Congress does not care about the deaths of those people or any others for that matter. This is a means to continue to enslave the population, believe me total control is the end game. Not just your guns but everything you may own or live for. They know a disarmed public is a compliant public. These people are not supposed to be our leaders, these are elected servants, representatives of you and I. They in their own twisted little minds and insular governmental worlds see and believe themselves to be our Overlords. They know what’s best for us when the majority of Congress come from entitlement, never having had to worry about food or the electric bill etc. etc. we cannot give an inch, not one more inch. We are already on the slippery slope to a totalitarian government. Be very careful on what you wish for one day you will awake no longer a free person but rather a tool, a walking and breathing tool beholden to the goverment for a merger existence living a nightmarish society which may resemble hell on earth. Yes, this is much more than a debate over a piece of plastic.
Let’s face it. These range accessories for shooters who love to burn $$$ in ammo, which I don’t think have ever actually proved useful in real-life self-defense (or a crime either until now) are going to get restricted. I can’t believe the NRA would support confiscation of anything though–a very slippery slope. It would be better if bump stocks were simply deemed out of compliance with current law and quietly taken off the market, but allow those who purchased them lawfully at the time to keep them. Then make possession of one while committing any type of crime equal in penalty to being caught with a real FA.
Bumpstocks are a way to skirt laws made in Congress. Thanks to their existence, unscrupulous power junkies like Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer have a reason – and more popular backing than they had before last week – to restrict our civil right to keep and bear arms more comprehensively than just outlawing bump stocks. The NRA ought to immediately get the message to Congress that they can close that loophole with no loss of organized gun owner support.
If the dems get this they will NOT be satisfied and will push further and will be one step closer to at best a “assault weapon ban”, at worst and years away I would guess a total gun confiscation. Australia is really chomping at the bit to “help” our government. This is a bad move. Again, I’m. It saying I know what the answer is but giving these ignorant people an inch will lead to further restrictions.
“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” – George Washington
I still have a bump shock for my AK-47 for fun in outside range but I am not shoot anyone … It’s very stupid guy who the one shooting anyone in LV
Turning a gun into almost fully automatic is not a good idea. Have them to rent at shooting ranges to have fun with. Machine guns are against the law and I think these should be banned. I am a member of the NRA and a gun owner and lover of guns. But this item I believe should not be in the hands of the public. After all we can shoot off our semi’s pretty damn fast!
This whole argument is ridiculous. How many shooters have used a bump stock for a mass shooting? None before this, they have been out for like 8 years now. Personally I don’t want or need a bump stick. However, if someone wants one and they are a responsible gun owner, why shouldn’t they be allowed to have them? Majority of us have proven we are responsible enough to own a firearm. By this reasoning, we should get rid of anything that is used for mass murder just in case someone else does it. Like detergent, fertilizer, ball bearings, nails etc. I’m not gonna sit here and pretend to have some answer to all this. I agree something needs to be done but punishing people who are responsible gun owners is stupid and dangerous. You mark my words, if the NRA or others agree to this and it passes it will not only embolden the snowflakes but it will motivate them to move further. Especially when the next shooting happens and it’s just a semi auto. They’ll argue, ” well that didn’t work guess we have to ban high capacity magazines” (which I get they already want to do) but it will open that door just enough. We need to stand our ground and make our voices heard.
agreed
The old as dirt queen of feminists. Theres only one reason she’s still alive…Hell is full!
It’s about time! I can’t believe ATF approved them in the first place. Bump stocks are the poster child for 1) wild civilian fire power, 2) tricky end runs around the clear spirit of the law, and 3) corporate disregard for obvious public safety needs, run amok. Just because something may be legal does not make it right.
Why are we obliged to follow the spirit of the law if we disagree with the law to begin with? Would the bumpstock exist if the law on automatics wasn’t so severe? Why have the second amendment if you’re only allowed to own neutered weapons.
I don’t really care if these range toys exist or not, but we are about to lose, again. When do we get something back?
These things would be a lot of fun if you could afford the ammo. Personally I don’t believe anyone needs this kinda toy. I love my guns and I love to shoot, but…………
The govt couldnt even keep a slow ass 757 airliner from crashing into it the most secure building on the planet. The PENTAGON! LOL
And they couldnt even keep 2 other planes from hitting the towers.
Well done!!! Lets all just give them our guns and hope for the best.
well said.
Why are the Las Vegas police omitting the most important facts of all? How many of those 500 injured were trampled and not hit by gun fire? How many of those 59 died from being trampled and not from gun fire? If less than 49 died from gun fire the Pulse Night Club shooting will still be the biggest mass murder event.
It doesn’t matter if they were hit by gun fire or not. That sob is still responsible. People wildly flee danger. Their instincts for survival take over most rational thought. Don’t trivialize what has happened by redirecting the isseu.
I work at a gun shop and last year our distributor put slide fire stocks on clearance for $99.99 each. I want to say at the end, trying to clear out their inventory, they went down to $79.99. I was telling anyone I thought might be interested about them, offering to get them for $149.99 shipped (they were at what, $369?) and only managed to get one guy to buy three. I bought an AK and an AR stock for myself at those cheap prices, mostly because Democrats don’t want me to have them.
It is more dangerous to us as a community of liberty-minded gun lovers to put these bumpfire stocks, a niche product at best, behind a background check than for them to be banned. It is dangerous to offer that as a preferred option. What would be next to be under the background check? Ammo and standard capacity magazines? 2-litre cokes? Hard copy books of the Constitution or other Freedom documents?
I hope they make another pass to try to ban AR-15s and other whatever-you-want-to-call-them assault rifles. Honestly, I don’t care if they ban them or not, at least not as a firearm enthusiast. I never really liked those soulless tinker toys anyway.
If the 2nd amendment can be interpreted to allow for the banning of what you consider soulless tinker toy assault rifles, why have a second amendment?
Firearms enthusiast….lmao
Big Jim?
One mans “soulless tinker toy” is another mans defensive weapon.
Who are you to say what is or is not a decent gun?
Just because you don’t like them does not make them worthless.
I wonder how many did not like your opinion, your soulless tinker toy of an opinion?
Your an Idiot! You of all people(gun lover) should know that once you start picking and choosing what to ban, then the list will grow to the guns you love, meaning all guns. That’s how it started in other countries.
Equal Lover of All Guns.
absolutely true and the answer i was looking for reading through all the ignorant comment under the name of “Gun lovers” “gun owners”.
some people have some really dump comments like “why do we need bump stock? i’m gun lover i love my semi’s” or “why do we have suppressors” or “law enforcement and military should only have automatic weapons”.
Putting a ban on an item that we may need to protect ourselves in the coming conflagration is a very bad idea. I would support a background check for bump stocks but not an outright ban. This is a very slippery slope that can and will be used to the advantage of the socialist left to kill the second amendment. As we all know, the second amendment is the protection for all of the other amendments to our Constitution and of our society as a whole. When the forces we may have to fight have automatic weapons we will be at a distinct disadvantage. Capitulation on this issue might seem like a small thing to some but I assure you that it is of major consequence in the overall scheme of the right to bear arms. Fascist, socialist and communist forces are gathering strength and are waging a war on our constitutional rights. Please do not allow the crazies to dictate the rules of the asylum! Our second amendment right is the only barrier to the loony lefts assault on our free republic.
This is laughable. With practice, I can out fire a bump stock with just my finger. Background checks don’t stop anything.
If there is a shooting war and one side has automatic weapons and intends to kill you, why would you not just modify your rifle in a more legitimate manner? Bump fires are nice and all but in a scenario such as the one you described all laws are not important anyway and it would be in your best interest to modify the rifle, not put a bump fire stock. Obviously you shouldn’t do it now, if ever, but I highly doubt a plastic stock would somehow even the playing field.
Thank obviously it didn’t stop the madman that mass murdered all those Innocent people.
Stupid to ban but someone who like shoot at outside range is fun same I do …. but crime control the gun used for robbery or shoot anyone are stupid …… gun for self defense … if robbery have semi auto rifle .so I am able use full auto ( bump shock ) to kill 1 or more robberies but NOT shoot at good people .. IF ROBBERY POINT AT U .. the robbery can KILL U. Because you don’t have a gun
THATS UR CHOICE to SAVE UR LIFE OR DEAD???
?????Grammar?????
The lunatic in Vegas passed 33 background checks to buy actual rifles, not a BS toy that the backyard
commandos want to make their legal semi-auto rifles into Walter Mitty type machine guns, so tell me what good is a background check on these pieces of plastic junk?
Cisco Kid and Stephen Davis, and others of your ilk: please move to Australia or England where the government totally “knows who has the firearms” and tells you what types are suitable and allowed for your sporting use.
The 2nd Amendment was NEVER about the sporting use of firearms. The 2nd Amendment exists so the next time we have a King George wannabe we can tell him where to shove it. The Founding Fathers (among the wisest men who have ever walked on this planet) intended that The People have the means to control the government: the ballot box, elected representatives, and in the last resort, the use of force. They rightly feared a government with too much control over The People’s freedom. Firearms are our last line of defense when we wake up to the fact that our elected officials are refusing to represent us, and our vote no longer makes a difference. We are so very close to that right now.
So quit your ignorant blathering about how maybe we should surrender our freedoms in the name of an illusion of safety.
The 2nd Amendment allows us to protect ourselves from an overbearing government or personally from bodily harm.
I agree with you Mike. What a bunch of losers. Theywould be willing to give an inch to gun grabbers just so they can keep on taking more inches every time something happens. They are pathetic and probably should join the democrats. After all, they sound like democrats.
Thank you Mike for clarifying The 2nd Amendment to the morons we have on this form. I cam from an oppressed country during the transition from kingdom to presidential all citizens will stripped from all guns. when the revolution came the law enforcement killed 900+ in first 2-3 days.
If the repulican leadership was smart theu would tack onthe bill to allow ccw across state lines
It is called National Reciprocity and they are working for it as we post. The problem is that it takes 60 Senate votes to pass the bill and we only have 52 Republicans in the Senate. Five of those Republicans are the RINOs like McCain, Flake and Snow.
Congress has shelved the National Reciprocity Bill as well as the SHARE Act in the wake of the shootings.
What happens when a class III holder takes his Thompson SUB and mows down a mall full of kids? When he snaps, for no determinable reason? There will always be someone somewhere with the ability to full-auto his Ak. The only way to deal with the crazies, is to pass an Australian full gun ban! Is that what you want? Because that will come if something isn’t sacrificed NOW! If, Slide Fire, has to be the sacrifice this time, to keep a total ban on firearms than so be it. Take the hit for the rest of us. It was a stupid concept from the start. “Get around the laws,” it sounded sleazy, from the get-go. And it was only a matter of time before someone used it to commit a crime and now here we are. Enough with defending the right to have “War quality weapons.” Why do you need them? No one can win a battle with militarized police! LaVoy Finicum’s sacrifice proved that. His life had a purpose if you learned that from his murder. A democracy only works when there are political trade-offs and this is the time for one. Getting rid of the Bump-fire is a little and meaningless sacrifice most everyone can live with. “Freedom isn’t Free.” It takes sacrifice!
If you give them an inch they will go for it all ! I for one will die before they get my guns and if you don’t feel the same give them yours but when you need it most don’t come to my house looking for help!
Wrong answer!! I agree that bump fire is gimmicky and certainly not a substitute for real, select-fire firearms BUT don’t give these liberal scum ONE thing!! Because then it will turn into something else they’ll want to ban! And then another and then another. Look where it got us in the eighties, we fell for the “common sense” gun control line. NO MORE!! I keep hearing the whiny liberals repeating, “If not now, when?!”—The answer is: NEVER!! We know your endgame is to ban all guns and that this is a game of inches, they’ll slowly chip away until they get everything. I refuse to be punished by having MY right to own whatever I want within the confines of the law because of one cowardly piece of human garbage. I’ve got news for everyone if you don’t already know, THERE ISN’T ONE LAW THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!! This turd would’ve found a way even if bump fire stocks weren’t available to him, he had millions in the bank!! The answer is to stop being RE-active and start being PRO-active!! It is shameful that these liberals are using this tragedy to further their agenda! But then again, they have no shame!!
All of this conversation about bump fire stocks and we’re not even sure they were responsible for the majority of the causalities. In the photos I’ve seen at least one of the 5.56 rifles was equipped with a bump fire stock. One of the other rifles looked like a 7.62 AR10 that did NOT appear to have a bump fire stock. From the sound of the fire I can hear on the videos some seem to be a larger caliber, prolly the 7.62 in full auto. After the FACTS come out (if they ever do) I’ll wager that some rifles used were illegally converted internally to full auto, not bump fire.
I am for background checks for bump stocks, no ban unless, all automatic weapons are banned in movies. Also, make auto weapons legal and overule state overrides by allowing registration and tax stamps for all law abiding citizens. However, Hollywood MUST take influential responsibility. If not then no dice.
I’ve owned guns for over 20 years and will always be a 2A supporter but I just can’t see any practical use for the bumpfire stock. That is, unless you’re a person who wants to leave the door open for mass murdering large numbers of unsuspecting citizens. That nut job Paddock basically handed every America hating terrorist a blueprint on how to inflict maximum casualties using LEGAL means to do so. Now, Paddock was just one man, imagine if a group of terrorists organized a similar shooting using the same tactics from multiple locations. That bumpfire stock give sick people a heavy advantage over our citizens and (in some cases) our law enforcement. I don’t see why we would allow our country to be taken advantage of by sick people with malice intentions. And please spare me the song and dance about how citizens need this device in case the US government becomes tyrannical. Do you really think the US military is going to engage in CQB with you and your buddies from the trailer park? They have the CIA, apachie helecopters, F-22 fighter jets, armored vehicles. guided missles, satellite intelligence…you going to overcome that with your bumpstock AR? You’re fooling yourself. There are many ways to keep our government from becoming oppressive or tyrannical…Street level combat is not one of them. Let’s all grow up and be responsible gun owners…it’s long overdue.
Yea, like the American military is gonna level their own cities with guided missiles and F22 jets. While I think bump fire devices are mere novelties and worthless on the battlefield, the idea of the armed American patriot being useless against the military is just ignorant.
The US military would hardly need to resort to an F22 to suppress civilian small arms fire. A simple drone strike or two would suffice. If not, there are many points of escalation available to them before a full scale airstrike would be warranted. When you think of “Armed Patriots” in combat with organized government forces, shed your thoughts of colonial America. Think Waco at one end of the spectrum and Syria on the other. Put your faith in law, order and the ballot box instead.
First, an overwhelming number of gun owners already ARE responsible and law-abiding. Your comment suggesting otherwise indicates you aren’t a “2A supporter” as you claim (I’ll go so far as to question if you’re actually a gun-owner?) One can look at the CHL (Concealed Handgun License) crowd and a fraction of 1% break the law – let alone become a mass murderer. Law-abiding rifle and shotgun owners, including those few people who own bump-fire systems, also share this low percentage of violence.
Secondly, the bump-fire system is more of a gimmick as it doesn’t allow a steady aim. This guy allegedly used the bump-fire system simply to spray more rounds into the crowd. This can be done without the system. All this hysteria over the device, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN USED IN A MASS ATTACK, LET ALONE A SIMPLE CRIME, suddenly becomes branded as an evil device from all the uneducated, easily-led, brainwashed fools glued to the TV 24 hours/day.
Third, your last argument about the 2A isn’t a useful tool against a tyranny – you clearly need to read history then. From the VietCong to the Bolsheviks to the Maoists to the Fidels and so on (and this is just from the last 100 years), they’ve used small-arms to overthrow governments with more firepower and advanced technology than their own. We can go back further with non-firearms and see the same result.
Interesting, your examples of government overthrow are all about the establishment of communism and have little to do with the defense of freedom. You do realize that 5-10 million people died during the Russian Revolution right.
It’s important to note that in all of your examples they were mainly cases of people with absolutely horrid lives and little to no personal wealth willing the throw everything away in pursuit of a better life. That’s typical of a revolution.
A sane voice. Fully automatic weapons in the hands of a civilian serves no useful purpose in our country. If you find yourself defending against an organized military force your best and probably only option is to surrender.
To think you could take back the USA from a rogue government with small arms is nothing short of delusional.
You certainly have no idea as to the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare….you cannot bomb from jets what you cannot see. The art of war is to only fight when you can win and never engage overwhelming force. That is how the VC beat the US with AKs vs. B52’s….
You just proved that you know nothing about rouge government many countries dated from just few hundred to thousands of years have taking their country back from the organized military force just with bolt action rifles or swords. I agree with “tommy jones” and “Erick”.
Your argument on the face sounds reasonable – until you remember that every one of those soldiers is sworn to protect the Constitution – not the government, not Congress, not the Supreme Court. Of course, it’s not legal for them to be used for law enforcement in the U.S. AT ALL. So, we shouldn’t be fighting anyone with an F-22 – unless the entire government AND the military ALL ignore the oath they swore to.
If this scenario did occur, you would likely see infighting INSIDE the US military, as there’s always some asshole who thinks safety is preferable to freedom. Once that finished, it remains to be seen who would prevail – I would hope it would be the patriots still defending the Constitution. And it really doesn’t matter to me who wins – I’ll already be dead, having done my duty as I swore to when I took that oath. BTW, that oath has no expiration date – but the only one who’ll know if you upheld the oath you swore to is you- and maybe a few targets…
Why don’t you take your Old Wrinkled ass and get the fuck out of United States 🇺🇸
Let’s have an Ugly Bitch contest between Clinton and Feinstein! Which one would Win?
No gun owners want more bans but the sobering fact is that 70 per cent of the American People do not own firearms which is a powerful lot of votes and to do nothing about mass shootings will result in many types of weapons being banned altogether. I am not in agreement with the above post about putting semi-auto weapons into a separate machine gun type category which would result in a 200 dollar tax stamp but here is what we could do to cut down on mass murder and crime
1. vet all gun purchases including second hand gun sales. Tens of thousands of second hand guns from states with lax laws get funneled into states with strict laws and police records prove it.
2. A firearms owners I.D. card for purchase of guns and ammo that is issued after you pass a background check and a mental health test. Most all civilized nations have had these two laws for decades and they work very well
3. Mandatory use of safes to keep guns from being stolen by criminals and also to prevent needless child accidental shootings and death
4. Mandatory security alarm systems again to prevent theft.
The maniac the did the Los Angeles shootings would never have past a mental health test to get an i.d. card that is obvious because of his actions that day and he would not have got a gun either with all gun sales vetted and the amount of stolen guns reduced to a trickle with the mandatory use of safes and security alarm systems. To do nothing about this problem only guarantees everyone will lose their guns someday and its coming far sooner than most people can imagine. No society can put up much longer with the constant horrific mass killings that has turned America in to a shooting gallery in broad daylight.
Yeah, how about a hard “no” to all of that.
Who decides who is mentally stable? Talk to your lefty friends, and you will see just how nuts most of them are. Many shrinks state, with certainty, that believing in Christ is a mental illness. Dr. Savage is correct that liberalism is a mental disease.
Cisco kid square up Feinstein ass
Here’s a great idea, get the hell out, move to a damn country that suits you, it’s obvious that our’s does not.
When you go to a gun store or gun show the dealer calls the NICS SYSTEM for an instant yes or no on the sale. THE NATIONAL INSTANT CHECK SYSTEM IS RUN BY THE FBI WHO DO AN INSTANT BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE BUYER. there is no lax States. All the dealers are licensed and inspected by the BATF. THE BUREAU OF ALCHOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS was started in 1968 and controls the importation, manufacture and distribution of firearms in the US. You are believing the lying anti gun crowds BS.
“The maniac the did the Los Angeles shootings would never have past a mental health test to get an i.d. card that is obvious because of his actions that day…”
The shooter showed no evidence to his famly of a diagnosable mental disorder which would have prevented him (under the terms of the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Vollmer-McClure Act) from owning firearms.
This was a man who’d gotten wealthy in business, not through inherited wealth such as the DuPont heir who collected firearms and armored vehicles and shot his private wrestling coach, and whose associates knew very well was too unstable to own guns. The worst he probably was, was a well-defended psychopath, and while psychologists consider that a mental disorder, it’s not one that can be used to deprive anyone of his civil rights – including the right to keep and bear arms.
F. Scott Fitzgerald told us in The Great Gatsby that “the rich are different”. They are. Very few Americans could afford to do or would want to do what the Vegas shooter did, and it’s immoral and against our Constitution to wrap all 330,000,000 residents of the United States of America in the strait-jacket this bastard ought to have been wearing.
Oops – thought you were talking about the Vegas shootings. WHICH Los Angeles shootings are you talking about, though? Despite some of the strictest gun control in America, Los Angeles has shootings all the time. Just as British gun control only controls law-abiding citizens’ access to guns, without really impacting terrorists’ and garden variety criminals’ access to guns.
It was Las Vegas and not Los Angeles
To the Cisco Kid-
Well, this sounds like a great recipe to systematically destroy the 2A, and lead to confiscation of ALL firearms, ammo, etc. Sounds great! Next, let’s require everyone who wants to vent their opinion on the Internet, in public, or in semi-private situations, to apply for a “First Amendment Card” to certify that your opinions are valid, non threatening, and well intentioned. Next, we can require all residents to install plexiglass sheets across the entire front of every building, so the police can make sure everyone is in compliance with all laws and regulations – oh, and no clothing while inside, you might be concealing something. All the other so called “inalienable rights” will be analyzed to make sure they remain in compliance with the current administration’s goals and ideals, and may result in other “Amendment Cards” in the future. As a result, you will be required to be evaluated by a mental health professional before issuance of any “Amendment Cards”, to ensure your compliance with current allowed ideals and regulations. In unrelated news, the administration has announced “temporary” suspension of habeas corpus and the 22nd Amendment during the current emergency.
Do you see how this works, Cisco? You lose one, you lose them all. There is nothing-NOTHING-to keep us from being North Korea-except the Constitution. And to all the left leaning souls out there – do you really, REALLY want to disarm the nation – while Donald Trump is President? Think before you speak – then think of Richard Nixon, Warren G. Harding, or (God help us) Alexander Haig as President-for-Life of these United States (y’all do remember his grab for the button?).
Re. Bump Gun Stocks. There is no place for these in any firearms collector.
Get rid of them. Yes !! We will see how the ‘bill’ is worded, but it may make it mandatory
for owners to turn in their Bump Gun Stocks or face a huge fine if caught with one.
BUT ! I still think that fully automatic rifles should be legal, with a Class Two License (? or what ever it’s called) But, that may change too.
It’s an old saying, but still true. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.
Does a dinner fork make you fat ? No. You make yourself fat. LOL
Does a car make itself go 100 mph ? No. You do.
Yeah but people can’t go100 mph without a fast car just like people can’t shoot 100 rounds into a crowd in less than 60 seconds without a device like a bumpstock. I get your point, people are the ones that do these things but it’s the devices that give them the ability to do it quickly and efficiently…that’s the problem. Sick, psychopathic killers have been part of society since the dawn of man, but why give them the tools to be more efficient at it? Why give psychopaths an advantage? If someone really wants to shoot an automatic weapon, join the US military…you’ll get a fully automatic rifle and a pair of boots too!
So what’s your idea on how to keep gasoline out of the wrong hands? A sick mind could easily kill over 50 people with gasoline…..Utopia is impossible….those who want to live in a gun free society need to leave our republic for Canada or Mexico where popular sovereignty is not recognized and have THEIR life dictated to THEM.
Bump stocks have been out for a long time. This is the first time one has been used to kill. So the 15 million Americans who own so called assault weapons and have never shot one person should give up their bump stock if they own one?
Bump stocks are a way to work around NFA, GCA ’68 and the Hughes Amendment to Vollmer-McClure ’86. This is probably the first and last time I agree with Dianne Feinstein on anything – I’d actually prefer the Hughes amendment be repealed and people who are properly cleared to own automatic weapons permitted to do ANY automatic weapon, after paying for the strict background check, than for bumpstocks to stay on the uncontrolled market. Bumpstocks aren’t safe for bystanders, and they’re probably dangerous to the user, too.
I hate to see those zealots get a grip on anything that relates to gun control but bump stocks have a very limited appeal for the vast majority of AR owners anyhow. As a friend said this week, a toy that is fun for about ten minutes and then you decide as Mark N. said, a waste of ammo. Most any Vet that carried an M16 will tell you he never switched to full auto unless he was is a serious firefight and needed to lay down heavy fire as most of the time precise and accurate shooting was far more important than how many rounds you could put out.
I think the horrific carnage caused by these maniacal devices speaks for itself. I for one will be glad to see them banned. The Republicans are making this a slam dunk to prevent even more bans but the Dems will try and pad the bill with many other bans which just might kill the bill altogether when the panic dies down so in a way the Dems may be their own undoing.
The very best thing we can do is not be the Democrats’ political advisers, and let their Congressional leaders be the attention-craving moon-bats they are. Feinstein, if she’s that passionate on the subject, ought to resign from the US Senate and serve in Sacramento, where she’s got popular support for her lunacy regarding gun control.
The American people have spoken on the subject by handing the GOP majorities in both houses by default. I firmly believe Republicans run Congress because they’re not Democrats, not for any other reason such as intrinsic virtue. And we ought to quietly let the Democrats keep locking themselves out of power by their extremist view-points.
Bump stocks aren’t worth the political capital needed to defend them. Lindsey Graham, if he likes walking around dressed in Democratic Party drag, ought to author his own bill specifically targeting bump stocks, and get McConnell to help him push it through the Senate.
Haven’t heard a thing from that California lunatic until now. I bet she was rubbing her hands in pure glee when she heard about the Vegas shooting; only because it gave her another golden oppurtunity to get on her apple box. She couldn’t care less about the dead and wounded. Why does California insist on voting in brainless fools like her and Pelosi?
I read many of the comments and agree most are valid arguments… In Reality Guns do not Kill People, their Projectiles Do… But only after an outside force pulls the trigger and it’s Usually a Person with a grievance. However; Banning a Bump Stock or Suppressor or any other attachment will not solve the problem because there are probably @ a million or more out there with absolutely NO Tractability. In addition; when an item is subject to being banned there is usually a 10X increase in sales to get one or more while they are still available. That’s why Obama was absolutely nominated as the greatest promoter in U.S. Gun Sales History.
It basically comes down to the fact that People have been Killing People for @ 200,000 years using whatever tool was available to accomplish the task… Poison, Rocks, Spears, Arrows, Clubs, Automobiles, Trucks and even Cell Phones used in various ways to cause accidental death or as a devise to purposely detonate a bomb… The list of tools that can be used to kill another person is endless… So we have a lot of Banning to Consider. I probably should not divulge this, but well planned biological attack can outdo anything that’s even imaginable.
If I place a loaded Gun (With or Without a Bump Stock) on a table for 100 years and nobody picks it up and pulls the trigger, I can pretty much guarantee that it will not kill anyone. So as ridiculous as it sounds we really need… PEOPLE CONTROL. I once read that there are already @ 27,000 Federal, State and Local Gun Laws on the books and another dozen or so more will not change anything. WHY ??? Because Criminals Do Not Obey any of the Laws… Only Law abiding gun owners will be forced to follow them. Banning an item does not in any way Guarantee that Criminals will not get one. Example: Look at Chicago which has the toughest Gun Laws in the Country and Handguns are basically just about illegal without a permit and registration, but I’ll bet there are more than a million unregistered and undocumented Guns floating around that city… this also goes for other metropolitan areas in highly gun restricted states.
Consider this partial list of death statistics for the first half of 2016 and see where gun deaths rate….
Medical Errors… 115, 439 Deaths
Alcohol…………. 45,908 Deaths
Drunk Driving… 15,521 Deaths
Unintentional Poisoning… 14,580 Deaths
Drug Abuse………………. 11,479 Deaths
Prescription Overdose…. 6,886 Deaths
MURDER BY GUN……. 5,276 Deaths
All that in just the first half of 2016…. but Deaths Associated to Murder by Gun just happens to be in last place.
Please repeat it JPLen. You are absolutely correct. No law or ban would have stopped this murderer in Las Vegas. Look at France and what those killers did with ILLEGAL semi automatic rifles at another music concert. Even if you banned all semi automatic guns (like France pretty much has) these broken evil people will find ways to kill their victims. I see no solution to this problem of maniacs who want to slaughter people. Look at the Oklahoma City bombing in the year 1995. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and wounded many others with a large bomb in a truck.
No more gun bans please. We have enough laws on the books.
Ban isn’t intended to stop the murder, just make it more difficult for him to shoot over 2,000 rounds of bullets into a crowd. The idea is to reduce the availability of fully automatic weapons to a madman.
And we obviously do not have enough laws since the madman did not break any laws until he started shooting.
Sorry NO MORE NRA. Who do you think you are working for?
Correct. The NRA is a lobby. Like any lobby, they are trying to influence the government…Senators…ETC
Wow Charlie, Have you ever heard the word “Genocide”… Here is a Reality Check for you regarding the NRA… Everyone should really look at all the Good that’s done by the NRA before condemning it. Understanding what they represent may just make that burned out light bulb between you ears again shine brightly. When Good People no longer have the means to protect themselves… the Bad People will be there to Rape, Ravage and then Take Away Everything you have Remaining. Read the history of Germany and many other countries where their firearms were confiscated… It’s an Eye Opener. This is exactly why we need the NRA…
1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20 million dissidents rounded up and murdered.
1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.
1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.
1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.
1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.
In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless innocent people were rounded up and exterminated by governments using gun control to eliminate any resistance… It’s all verifiable History, look it up !!!… So ask yourself…DO WE WANT TO BE THE NEXT COUNTRY ON THIS EXCLUSIVE LIST… I DON’T !!!
Fuck u……. I like NRA . my gun used for self defense to save my life .. IF Robbery POINT his gun at u … what u do ???? Live or dead ??
Why doesn’t Feinstein or even Fox news anchors realize YOU DON’T NEED A BUMP FIRE STOCK TO BUMP FIRE? You can use your belt loop, or simply hold the rifle and your trigger finger a certain way. Also, how hard is it to build a bump fire stock in your garage?
I had an SKS that would ‘Slam Fire’. What a surprise, I had a machine gun.
I have since installed a fireing pin with a spring. No. My SKS wasn’t dirty. LOL
So the ability to make something in your garage means you should be able to buy it off the shelf? If your thinking is flawed, it doesn’t matter how long you do it.
Yea, give the anti’s more ammo to push AGAIN for banning modern sporting rifles and large cap mags. By shouting the fact that you can create a full auto effect in a semi auto platform without fitting it with a bump stock just gives the anti’s more fuel to throw on the ban fire. Sometimes I think that some unthinking gun owners are the 2nd Amendments worst enemies!
HAS THE TIME ARRIVED? This last horrific madman-with-a-gun incident has inflamed the world at large as never before. So many dead and wounded…innocent people at a concert. Now is the time for the NRA to consider…just to consider, producing a valid updated questionnaire for the membership at large to consider and respond to, with yes and no answers to specific questions. We are at this point where differences of opinion and values need to be assessed and evaluated so policy can be presented to the membership and the government. So:
1. Should military type weapons including assault weapons and high power semi automatic pistols, be put into a separate category of firearms which must be registered and wherein owners of such pieces need to be screened, evaluated and kept track of with respect to criminal files or medical/mental issues? In a proper format, honest law-abiding people could proceed with what they are doing. Police would know where these weapons are and who owns them.
2. Should there be some definition of sporting arms, the type hunters and target shooters use? In other words, by defining outdoor hunting and target guns, could not the heat be taken off of owners of traditional American outdoor firearms?
3. Should concealable handguns be registered. Should there be a defined difference in status between a semi-automatic handgun and a revolver or break action? I am not suggesting these things happen, I am just suggesting that the NRA should consult it’s membership.
The current trend towards guns which by their design are of a military nature, is a tad scary for people who do not understand or own or use firearms. Basically there are two types of guns. There are guns designed for outdoor sports including target shooting. These guns are often collectable, very enjoyable, and indeed are handed down with pride from one generation of fathers to their sons, and on down the line. I think of old single shot rifles, the Winchesters, the Ballards, The Maynards, Sharps and others. I think of the lever action ages…the old ’94 being the benchmark for deer hunters for so many years. I think of those original Browning Superposed over/under shotguns, the Winchester pump Model 12 legacy, the Remington 870 and guns like LC Smith. Parker Bros., LeFebvre, Ithaca and others. All these types of classic hunting and target guns are not of a military design, and were never designed to shoot people.
So I ask, are not firearms basically of two types…the traditional heritage sport firearms and the more aggressive military type, designed to shoot people? If that is so, why don’t we just tighten up a tad on the military stuff, and release the sporting from the controversy and the assaults from the ignorant and uninformed left, once and for all? Responsible owners of assault rifles and accurized semik-auto high powered pistols, won’t mind the idea of registration, if it helps eliminate the few truly sick people out there who would kill innocent people with intent so to do. How would the membership respond to the idea of such a probe, to see how people feel about the distinct difference between those two weapon types, the sport firearm, and the military weapon designed to be used to shoot other people? Many might see this as some sort of invasion of rights. However, I am simply asking if the time has come to canvass the membership, without bending the questions in any direction. Are there not two types of firearms? Are not some just for sport? Are not some precisely designed to shoot people? And for the record, as long as America is a free country with a large and active military, both types will be acknowledged and used. The issue is, who gets to use them? Who should rightfully own a rapid fire assault rifle if they are not mentally stable and free of a crime record sheet? Should drug dealers, bank robbers, those holding criminal records be afforded the right to bear arms? That…would be the question I would like to hear responded to. Too many bad guys out there with guns. Somehow that has to start to turn around. Vegas could be a turning point which could benefit all gun owners who are law abiding citizens, by slowly eliminating the flow of the more aggressive guns to the bad in society. A walk around the world begins with the first step. Time to canvass the membership? yes or no? Just askin’!
Our family has been in north America long before there were countries, laws, towns and cities, and we covered the Canadian north from sea to sea with a black powder piece in hand. We still shoot those black powder guns today, and we hunt and consider it our heritage right. Those values in Canada were fought for ten years back, and we ” canned ” the LIberal long gun registry. We register our hand guns and restricted weapons, but grandpa’s old model 94 30-30 is just a recreational gun, with no registration required. Seems to work ok here. Be nice to see the issue better addressed across the lands to the south.
Happy Thanksgiving. Stephen C. G. Davie
Since you’re Canadian, you have no right or reason to influence our country or any other country except your own. Are you that arrogant? Should myself, or any other non-Canadian, tell YOU and other Canadians how to live and how to develop your laws?
Laws already exist which state criminals CANNOT LEGALLY own, purchase, sell, or carry firearms – this includes those considered mentally ill. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? WHAT YOU WANT IS ALREADY THE LAW. CRIMINALS DON’T OBEY THE LAW, NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU PASS.
But no – be honest – you don’t want firearms to be merely registered or difficult to get for criminals (they already are) – you want firearms outright banned. Dictatorships around the world instituted outright gun bans or registration systems; yet, evil still existed in their countries, sometimes from their own governments. We have a Second Amendment which states the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Stop trying to fool people and be honest….or will honesty expose your true intentions?
P.S. My caps were not to express anger, but to underline the reality that people are ignoring.
Why do you think that you , as a Canadian, even have the right to stick your snout into American politics? The only reason you exist in “the Canadian north from sea to sea” under a quasi Democracy is because of American men and their love of liberty and firearms. I’m not a fan of bump stocks because I think they’re unreliable and for posers, but here in America hey, whatever floats your boat. You keep electing Socialists like Fidel Castro’s son Justin Trudeau and they keep that boot firmly on your neck. When you become an American citizen, then you can add your two cents into the conversation. Until then, STFU hoser…..ehhhh
Keep that bullshit in Canada.
You know it’s kinda strange, hardly anybody mentions this when this type of tragedy happens…… It’s NOT the gun or the accessories for the gun…..IT’S THE BRAIN…..evidently his brain was broken or moreover infested with the devil…at least he stopped his brain from making anymore thoughts about destruction….by putting a bullet in it.
Thank You Heavenly Father for your grace
The liberals have already banned brains, at least among themselves.
So have conservatives. Both extremes are mindless idiots.
(A Centrist Independent)
Amen! The left is obviously only concerned about their careless political agenda and not about anything sensible. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact, the hard truth, the reality, that if they could outlaw all guns, criminals would still have guns and be able to make bombs and hack people to death with sharp instruments and run people over with vehicles and on and on and on…
SINCE I HAVE A RELATIVE THAT WAS A CIA SHRINK, IN THE 70’S HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE MK ULTRA PROGRAM. THEY MOST LIKELY PROGRAMMED THIS GUY IN THE EARLY 70’S WHEN HE WAS AROUND 22. THEY LOOK FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF PERSONALITY’S TO CONFORM INTO A WALKING TIME -BOMB. NO 1 WOULD BELIEVE THIS, UNLESS YOU WATCHED MEL GIBSON IN CONSPIRACY THEORY. THEN YOU WOULD POSSIBLY BELIEVE IT.. THE CIA HAS ADMITTED THIS PROGRAM, BUT SAYS THEY CLOSED IT MANY YEARS AGO. WELL THEY HAVEN’T.ANY TIME THEY WANT TO CHANGE LAWS R PUBLIC OPINIONS ON SOMETHING LIKE GUNS, WELL YOU PUT THE REST TOGETHER. THEY CANT HAVE THIER NEW WORLD ORDER WITH ALL THESE GUNS AND BUMP STOCKS TO FIGHT AGAINST. LOOK AT 911 IT GOT THEIR PRECIOUS PATRIOT ACT. TOOK AWAY MORE RIGHTS. PEOPLE WE ARE IN FOR SOME HUGE PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY, UNLESS WE ACT NOW!! WE HAVEN’T HAD A REVOLUTION IN OVER 200 YEARS, IS IT TIME YET? LOOK HOW CORRUPT OUR AGENCY’S ARE, FBI, CIA, NSA, THEY DONT WORK FOR US, THEY WORK FOR THE ELITE. I CAN’T DO MUCH AT MY AGE, I CAN HOW EVER POSSIBLY AWAKEN THOSE WHO CAN!!
Kevin, you hit the nail on the head. I haven’t seen “Conspiracy Theory” but I have seen a flick that deals with post-hypnotic suggestion, “Telefon” with Charles Bronson. Is that programming possible? I don’t know for sure but if it is then the CIA will probably make use of it. Then there was “The Manchurian Candidate” with Frank Sinatra dealing with brainwashing by North Korea.
I would like to see ALL “gun control” laws repealed because they are aimed at the honest citizen. The lawmakers are not stupid; they KNOW that they will not fight crime because criminals – by definition – are lawbreakers. The motive is to say that the law they just passed isn’t working so they “need” a stricter law yada yada yada. They are taking us for fools; I have heard the old fable about the Arab and his camel. First the camel wanted his nose inside the tent to keep it warm, then his head, then shoulder, then one leg and at dawn the camel had the tent all to himself. I heard that in grade school and we discussed it in class. The New World Order beckons ant to many officials are answering.
A lot of otherwise sensible people (Geraldo Rivera, on Fox this morning, for example) are missing the major point of the Second Amendment. The Bump Stock and suppressors have many uses, but the major reason for having them is when a well-armed citizenry HAS NO OPTION but to stand up against a REPRESSIVE government (and that is FAR from fantastic in the post-Obama/Pelosi/Schumer/Feinstein world of GUN GRABBING POLITICIANS WHO WANT TO RULE US ABSOLUTELY). These accessories are not meant to slay attacking deer. They are meant to at least GIVE US A CHANCE against a superior force sent against us by some future totalitarian government. Americans, REFUSE to disarm and hand your lives over to the man/woman who would be King.
Really? A bump stock is gonna give us a chance against “some future totalitarian government”? Bump stocks are for posers and wannabe’s. Aimed, sustained semi auto fire is far more effective for a rifleman in a firefight than some galoot wildly unloading a mag in “full auto” with a bump stock. Spray and pray! Why do you think the military is moving away from full auto battle rifles to burst fire? Leave the full auto fire to the crew served and SAWs. Bump stocks are a fun novelty on the range, but dumb on the battlefield. We need to pick and choose our fights and sometimes it’s necessary to take a step back before moving forward again.
Good Answer Charlie… The average citizens will actually be the majority numbered force when and if Genocide is ever a Reality… but on the other hand they will be up against superior automatic firepower and far more devastating weapons that are restricted to only the Military or Government. A government really does not want to challenge anyone having a level playing field… Private Citizens will have to make a stand like the Viet-Cong did against the superior French and U.S. military who could not defeat them.
A brief history lesson of countries that banned guns and then committed massive Genocide. I posted this in an earlier comment but it worth being repeated many times over…
1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20 million dissidents rounded up and murdered.
1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.
1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.
1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.
1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.
In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless innocent people were rounded up and exterminated by governments using gun control to eliminate resistance… It’s all verifiable History, look it up !!!… So ask yourself…DO WE WANT TO BE THE NEXT COUNTRY ON THIS EXCLUSIVE LIST… I DON’T !!!
I’m a collector, have AR’s among our many hunting rifles, and agree there is no practical use for a bump stock. They’re likely dangerous, although I’ve never tried or used one. Technically, they could fall within protection of the 2nd A, that is if you’re part of “a well regulated militia”. Whatever that means.
The more attention AR or black guns get, the more popular and desirable they become. This has caused a huge profit opportunity for the creative minds producing them, and all the fast selling accessories that promise to make you into a sniper or commando. Whatever. But the fact remains, it’s not the gun that does the killing.
So one nut case hell bent on something absolutely opposite of our cherished rights “necessary to the security of a free state” changes things up a bit. A lost, selfish and evil soul, and so, so many good people affected. It’s embarrassing.
Remain vigilant.
I agree. It’s difficult to justify bump stocks unless you’re planning on taking on our own government. I think this is just the bone to throw the anti-gun crowd, as it’ll shut ‘em up for a while. Let them enjoy this little victory. It’s not going to affect most gun owners one whit.
Agree with you completely. This silly device wastes ammo, burns barrels, and promotes bad shooting habits. Inevitably, some madman was bound to misuse it and now other important legislation gets shelved by the natural emotional reaction that tragedies evoke. We should be smarter about our priorities since the truth is that we can’t get everything we may want. In essence, bump stocks and trigger cranks figuratively shot us in the foot for no good reason. Yes, I know you can bump fire without a device, but the anti-gunners didn’t… until now
I agree with a lot of your statements,but I have to disagree about bump stocks. I just recently purchased one. I had listened to all the people that said it needed a learning curve. I had never bumped fired anything. It worked for me the first time I tried it. I even used my vertical grip . Some people have said it’s harder that way. I found it to be very controllable. I fired burst and dumped entire mags. If the military can have full auto,we should be able to also. At the very least a bumpfire stock. If you haven’t tried one you should before you make your mind up about one. Don’t take my word for it or anyone else either. Just my opinion. But there should be no regulations at all on a free nation.
While i don’t have a slidefire myself banning it to appease is still not right The stock did not cause the death of those people the man did.If the NRA bends over for this we are all gonna get bent over in the future by the whiners. Magazines capacity should also be left alone.Why should the millons of responsible of gun owners have to give up anything because of this.We the majority of the people are not crazy killers.This is what the NRA should be stressing and not cow-tow-wing.
The fact is this if Stephen Paddock
Had not used the bump fire stocks
And used aimed fire, he would have MURDERERED far many more people!
Finnish Lt. SOMI Hayha is the all time
Snipper, in the Winter War 1939 – 1940
LT. SOMI was credited by the Soviet Union, with killing 550 Soviet Soldiers,
Using a bolt action M28/30 7.62×54 ball cartridge. Using Iron Sights.
That is probably the most stupid comment I have read on this issue. You know nothing about the venue, the crowd, the angle of fire, etc. He was “shooting fish in a barrel”, which is an expression meaning “you can’t miss” There was no need to aim. The victims were packed into a small, crowded venue, with little or no protection. I live in Vegas…I have been to the site…”aiming” was not at all needed.
Stop with the political correctness. He is not the “alleged ” shooter, he is the responsible party. If you have the balls to take on all comers, call it like it is, don’t call a spade a shovel.
If Democrats would stop murderering our fellow human beings, the Homicide
Rate in the United States, would drop by 90%.
Slippery slope. Before everyone politicizes this tragedy and jumps on the “gun-control” bandwagon, let’s make sure the government is telling us the truth about what really occurred in Las Vegas, and that this massacre isn’t being used to further erode the unalienable right of American citizens to keep and bear arms. After all, leftists “never let a good crisis go to waste.” This slaughter is the fault of the gunner(s), not the gun(s). But the leftists in our government know they must disarm the American people before they can impose their totalitarian collectivism. Mao, their hero and role model, did it before he murdered tens-of-millions of his own people in his “cultural revolution.” The private ownership of firearms of all types guarantees that such maniacal tyranny will never subdue America’s free spirit and hard-won Bill of Rights. Sic semper tyrannis!
I always thought that these gadgets made as much sense as Tannerite. The same “hold my beer and watch this” clientele. The author of this story should be ashamed of his part in promoting these products. I wonder who holds his beer while he writes this junk. He needs to grow up. I am a Patron member of the NRA and proud of it. I was more careful carrying my Model 52 Winchester on the school bus than you guys are with your words. Drink your beer and keep pretending that you are smarter than everyone else.
If you want to fire full automatic weapons, go to a range that rents them or join the army! The elimination of bump stocks and silencers is not going to hurt our right to bear arms. How about an automatic death penalty for anyone who comics a crime with a deadly weapon? It is about time we thin the herd of those who will or intend to do harm to others.
Then what is next? Just because you don’t like them or want one, you agree with banning them. Screw everyone else is what you are saying.I couldn’t care less about bumpfires. Suppressors however are different. I own several. They allow me to shoot on my own land without rattling the neighbors windows (they are far away). It also makes it comfortable enough for me to not to have to wear hearing protection while shooting. My wife loves them as gun noise, even with good hearing protection, intimidates her. She will not shoot an AR without a suppressor.
Why give the Left anything? The Vegas shooter was hell bend on killing. Laws didn’t stop him, he broke them. The Left just wants to ban something, anything. They are doing it to make a name for themselves, plus they will bury lots of other restrictions in the bill that no one will see until it’s too late.
Using that logic, we can ban high-capacity magazines….heck, ban all magazines….and that wouldn’t “hurt our right to bear arms” either. We can still “bear” arms with a small, 5-round magazine or no magazine at all, right? But why stop there? Why not ban ammunition entirely? We can still “bear” arms then too, right? But we must progress further – how about optics? Ban all scopes – long-range and close-quarter scopes – and that won’t infringe upon our “right to bear arms”, right?
We just have to ignore that “shall not be infringed” part a little more each time along the way.
The slippery slope is quite slippery…
Suppressors save hearing and do not stimulate madmen to massacre people. Leave them out of your rant
You can MAKE your own bunpstock! Duck tape and a piece of metal is all you need. Why haven’t people been searching the internet on how to make your bump stock? YouTube is full of videos on how to do it. A bump stock ban is pointless and unenforceable.
Why don’t these ignorant liberals deal with the real problem instead of going after all of us who have NEVER done a damn thing to deserve these attacks? THEY HAVE NEVER GONE AFTER THW TWISTED FREAKS WHO BREAK THE LAWS THAT THEY ENACT!
Since the N.R.A. supports banning bump stocks, I just cancelled my Benefactor Life Membership and joined G.O.A. Larry Pratt will not back up. Dexter Winslett, B,ham. P.D. Retired
what bothers me, is thought of one evil person changing the course of our country. The product has been around for many years. I guess if we as a country do decide to change our laws from actions of evil then we chose to also victimize those who lead legal and moral lives.
Please stop referring to the murderer as the “shooter.” What do you call a bunch of people at a shooting range?
By confusing the term “shooter” with the murderer, you are, on a subconscious level, convincing people (of the non-shooting variety) that somehow, shooting is bad and evil.
An exercise in futility, as anyone with access to a 3D printer can make one. Do a Google or Yahoo search for “Disruptive Solutions Bump Fire Stock”. Or, look for the latest downloadable Fosscad Mega Pack, which has a whole bunch of 3D prinable stuff the antis would love to take off the internet. Run them through your favorite slicer software, load your printer with ABS plastic, and you have become one of the gun grabbers’ biggest nightmares!
First, what I’m about to say is really going to piss off a lot of you guys, but it’s the opinion of one and I respect anyone that cares to share theirs.
Let me preface my commits by saying you couldn’t find an individual more pro 2nd amendment than myself. I’m a conservative Patriot Life member of the NRA. I had an FFL for 10 years before ‘slick willie’ and the ‘brady bunch’ took that license back in the early 90’s along with tens of thousands of other mom & pop dealers’ licences. I’m a class III owner. I’ve been a gun collector and firearm enthusiast since WAY before Hollywood and the liberal media has been allow to demonize firearms and my hobby.
At some point common sense has to factor into the equation. With that said, what purpose does a bump-stock have? Whomever invented these idiotic toys should have know that some sick bastard would eventually use it against innocent people with horrific results. And now with the libatard talking heads on CNN, HLN, MSMBC, an others running this event into the ground on TV other sick bastards with delusions of grandeur will feel like they can do better. So here we go with copycats.
So to the person, or persons, that invented this ‘toy’ think about the outcome of your invention. You made a lot of money off of it, and no doubt will continue. Should you continue making it, all in the name of profits?
Maybe it’s time for the NRA to step up and promote some form of self-regulation within our industry before the likes of Dianne Feinstein and Hillary Clinton take care of that for us. Because apparently with our “I’ve got to have that” mentality we can’t do it on our own. How about those 100 round beta mags? So again, when and where does that common sense factor in?
Okay – let the barbs fly!
Fully agree, Jon, NRA member, CCW licensee
I agree with you 100%. I will take some of your barbs for you.
Using that logic, it’s too bad Henry Ford invented the car; Einstein, the atom bomb; Ancient Egyptians, the sword…
The best defense is a good offense. So, while I never considered owning a bump fire type stock (ammo is expensive) the best way to defeat a murderer using one of these accessories is to have a whole bunch of good guys armed to the teeth.
It’s too bad the 2nd Amendment isn’t being utilized to the fullest. It’s like being in 3rd grade again. One trouble maker and the whole class gets punished.
As a vietnam vet and years long shooter and NRA member I have a few thoughts. If we are to allow bump stocks then why bother having regulations against fully automatic rifles. the purpose of the bump stocks is simply top get around or evade the law against full automatic weapons. I have numerous firearms of all types, and I am not against people owning AR 15″s and similar rifles/. I am not against hi capacity magazines either. living in Connecticut my rights were infringed after the Newtown massacre of children, banning AR’s and many other firearms and limiting magazines to ten rounds only… and those measures were for political points only and “feel good” legislation by democrats, and sadly will do nothing to stop the next horrific shooting here in CT or elsewhere . the 2nd ammendment protects all Americans right to defend themselves and their families.
I don’t agree with blaming the inventor or manufacturer. Just because you own a lethal weapon or modification for one, it does not mean the inventor intended it to be used for evil. By your reasoning we should be vilifying everyone involved with the Manhattan project. If I remember correctly it stopped an overtly evil empire from world domination and saved unknown numbers of lives.
you are a gun enthusiast and you conclude the events in Las Vegas was performed by bumpfire from a stock? WOW
I guess we have to add the likes of B. Tyler Henry, Samuel Colt, Richard Gatling, John Moses Browning, John C. Garand, and Eugene Stoner to the list of ‘idiots’ who figured out a way of increasing the firepower of small arms in the last few centuries. I’ll bet your gun cabinet or safe room isn’t stocked up exclusively with atlatls, bows and matchlocks. The common sense lies in admitting that a human element is behind carrying out these horrific murders, not any particular device. 9/11 bears this out…3000 people murdered without a shot being fired.
Slide fire or bump fire stocks are an ingenious creation for a free society those who do not live in real free America where full auto ownership is LEGAL can simulate the experience. They have no responsibility for the actions of the end user, any more than ford or gm of you plow into a crowd or shell and home depot if you put diesel on fertilizer. Supressors proper name reduce sound of firing to a safe level for the operator they are TOOLS not “toys” all auto accident deaths could stop if a 25 mph limit was imposed but apparently the value of life lessens when it’s inconvient
Metaphorically, we all choose our hill to die on, toys like bump stocks and hellfire triggers won’t be mine.
Manufacturers of these products have done American Riflemen no favors.
Roll it back to the ATF and add them to the AOW list.
We simply can’t afford to go all in on rag cards.
Well said. Do we want to waste our time defending a device who’s only purpose is to assist in the simulation of automatic fire for a few who think it’s “cool,” or do we concentrate on more important issues like national reciprocity and suppressor deregulation?
Most people don’t own twelve bumpstocks on rifles positioned in windows above concert venues.Banning, confiscations, regulation, isn’t going to change anything. Every time I see some politician posing with some menacing looking firearm and saying that banning it or regulating it is going to change something I cringe. look at California
There is nothing special about bumpfire/SlideFire stocks. They only make it convenient for what has always been available to the average firearm enthusiast. Most people already know you can achieve an almost full auto mode with a simple thumb in a belt loop and mimic the same results as a bumpfire. For free! Well, all that ammo down range isn’t free. Neither was that Ar-15 built to sustain magazine after magazine at full auto rate. Cooks a lite weight barrel and sometimes the furniture around it quite quickly. So let’s not hop on the band wagon and say the bump fire/slide fire systems circumvented the 1968 legislation. With left wing rhetoric like that, they’ll be banning Levi’s with belt loops. We know hard it is to keep our pants up without a belt.
I have no problem giving in on this one. We need to pick our battles and the bump stock is a battle I’m not willing to fight for.
I agree.
IMHO bumps stocks do circumnavigate the intent of the regulation.
If you want full auto capability, it is available without these tinker toys.
Supporting these and other end run products only gives the antis ammunition.
This used to be a nation of riflemen, these toys don’t expand on that.
So you bail on this? That’s what everyone did to Hitler. It’s called appeasement. No thank you, I do not agree with you and I am cancelling my life membership in the NRA. I would no more give Finebutt a win than anything, it’s the nose under the tent.
I leave you with two thoughts:
Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
When they took the Fourth Amendment,
I was quiet because I did not deal drugs.
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When they took the Sixth Amendment,
I was quiet because I was innocent.
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When they took the Second Amendment,
I was quiet because I did not own a gun.
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Now they’ve taken the First Amendment,
and I can say nothing about it.
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Think about it.
Agreed. In my town the police have given street racers a safe place to practice their sport. They took it off our streets where folks can get hurt and moved it to a stadium parking lot where it is managed. Same philosophy on bump stocks. Call it like it is …it makes a weapon automatic . Regulate it like a Automatic . You don’t have to ban it just make it the same regulations to get as a Automatic.
I disagree, I would wholeheartedly fight for bump fire stocks, even though I neither own one nor intend on buying one. Once you accommodate unreasonable people with reasoned compromise, you are no better than Czechoslovakia in 1938. Any compromise with the left is surrender, and if they have shown any propensity at all it is to be able to smell blood in the water.
As I said, I don’t care for bump fire stocks, but I care even less for the giving up of some other gun owners freedoms simply because I do not indulge. That way lies confiscation by degrees, and it is a foolish eye which fails to see that.
The practical truth is this: gun owners are NOT the majority of the population, and we only have a thin majority of support. Do you really want to justify fully automatic firing devices to a non-gunner, or would you prefer to spend your political capital on something else that benefits us all, like hearing protection and national reciprocity? You’re never going to get everything, brother, so pick the battles carefully
This why i left the NRA years ago.I have been Bump firing for 20 or more years using only my thumb and my belt loop.I have friends who with the aid of a low pound pull trigger can fire over 350 rounds a minute very accurate using only there finger. Whats next a law saying our fast you can move your finger ?These idiots in D.C. don,t give a damn abut bunpfire stocks.What they are really after is the semi auto rife and if Mr. Wayne over at the NRA can,t see this.Them he is a bigger fool than i realize.If president Trump signs this ban then he will loose my support for good.
Gotta say you gun afficianados are your own worst enemies. I am a life long hunter and have multiple guns … all traditional weapons. The move ny the NRA to be so focuses on assault rifle type weaponry etc, is why Im not a member any more.
Jack,
There are a lot of free-loaders like you benefiting from NRA paying members and supporters. Spare us the ridiculous excuses.
Without the NRA and it’s supporting members we would have lost the fight long ago.
Only 5 million gun owners willing to shell out the price of a box of ammo annually?
The non-supporters should be ashamed.
If you as a hunter lose us you will be buying your food at a food store like the rest of us who don’t hunt do.
Come on guys. You need a fully automatic for what reason?????…..As for suppressors for saving your hearing, you’ve already lost it.
Because , as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and other founders would say, the government has them.
They also have tanks, rockets, bombs…
I’ve always wanted my own fighter jet. Alas…
As a strong second amendment advocate (IDPA and Bullseye), and a long time NRA member, and hunter, I NEVER agreed with the ATF’s 2010 decision to allow Slide Fire, the manufacturer of the bump stock to circumvent the 1986 Firearms Protection act which bans the possession and transfer of NEW machine guns manufactured before May, 1986. Most of us have seen the YouTube videos that show just how this product converts a semi-auto rifle into a machine gun-like product. Regarding the bump stock, my worst nightmare was realized when this sick perverted individual (I refuse to mention his name) murdered 58 people and injured hundreds more. In addition, the NRA has a new message on it’s web page that addresses the Las Vegas murder spree and the bump stock issue, “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.” Imagine if these devices were in the hands of terrorists, gang members, the mentally unstable, and other evil perverted individuals.
I think we could give the libs this one. Lets put these on the Tax rolls. They don’t have to be illegal but they should be controlled. BUT we should not give something for nothing. Let’s put bump fire on the tax rolls & take suppressors off.
They’re not serialized so I don’t know how that’s feasible. I like the idea though.
That would be an excellent trade off, but sadly I believe these silly toys will cost us the deregulation of suppressors.
I have proudly proclaimed “Not another inch!”
These end run around the regulation products make me sick.
Gunowners of America and JPFO are good organizations for those thinking of not renewing. BTW, “…shall not be infringed.” is how it ends.
Great! Add them to the NFA and simultaneously remove the hughes amendment. Done.
While there is no “rational” reason for wanting a bump stock, one could make the same argument about owning a Ferrari. Regardless, the world and gun owners in general are probably better off without bump stocks, though the same cannot be said about Ferrari’s. I do find it grimly amusing that these things were approved in 2010 by Obama’s ATF, but that just points out the danger of allowing regulators to do a job that was Constitionally apportioned to Congress. To go after suppressors, however, is just plain ignorant.
No legislation of any sort could have stopped this from happening. You can’t legislate morals, ethics and for that matter sanity so give it up. Confiscation would fuel a gigantic black market that the drug cartels could branch into. We have tried to outlaw alcohol (didn’t work), narcotics (still not working) so why does anyone think they can outlaw guns and they will simply go away. American voters need to smarten up and stop electing these professional politicians that want to limit our freedoms to garner the vote of simpletons who get their news on Facebook or some obscure website.
I agree. I lived in Chicago when it was illegal to own a handgun there. Did I have a handgun? You betcha. No background check, no waiting period, no permit required. And if it was easy for me, an otherwise law-abiding citizen, to acquire one, imagine how much easier for someone better connected with criminals to get what they wanted. Laws only affect those willing to obey them.
That said, I think we ought to throw a bone to the anti-gun crowd. Bump-stocks will be no great loss to us, and as you point out, you can have one if you really want one. This idea that we can never give an inch is a false one. It’s also ruining our democracy.
All of you who say ban them need to think about what your saying. Are you willing to pay a massive tax to buy them back? How could they possibly be added to the NFA when it’s been closed since 1986. Taking a legal item from people isn’t allowed, especially when the owners have a letter from the feds that declares the item is legal?
Furthermore what do gun owners get in return? Haven’t we given up enough over the years? 1930’s we lost full auto, SBR, SBS, Suppressors, anything labeled a destructive device. 1986 we completely lost full auto. We have paid massive taxes aimed just at us. We lost the ability to buy guns mail order. We have federal licensing of FFL. Lost our cheap imported surplus ammo. Lost ability to import weapons. Lost barrels included in parts kits.
What have we received in return besides the demand for more regulations?
I have no issue with a regulation of “bump” stocks. I am a committed firearm enthusiast and see no need for this accessory. However I raise this flag of caution on whatever legislation is ultimately proposed, amended and voted upon. Richard “Stolen Valor” Blumenthal the Senator from Connecticut said the following. “Yes, we should ban them, and I think it’s a point of common ground where we can come together in addition to others.”
Note the last 4 words “…in addition to others.” This is the mind set of these people. Let’s chip away at firearm ownership one “bump” stock at a time. I leave it to my fellow posters on this site to determine if there is another meaning to this comment.
Gun control ? Gun laws ? Loopholes in gun laws ? for the average citizen in this country, my question is this to our Congress , Government and the NRA ? Does any gangs in this country fallow the laws of the BATFE on FULL AUTO fire weapons of any kind ? answer NO !!! It seams to me that laws are made in this country just to be broken ! Change the laws for one crazy man ? just like taking down the REBAL flag down for one crazy boy in South Carolina ! I thought is was UNITED WE STAND now it’s WHAT HAVE WE BECOME please pass this on if you like.
I 100% agree with what you say,
I dont know about this whole bumpstock debacle,,, but are we so certain for a fact that these bumpstocks are what really was attributable to such a high sustained rate of fire? Gee wiz those things are really all that functional? Seems from all the footage I have seen, that shooting just seemed too consistient.
Ya know if these are such a problem, its amazing that we havent seen or heard of more instances of real fully auto arm being used illegally. Seems like its so easy to produce an 80% semi auto. Suppossedly many of these being built by criminals. Is it not simple to build with one of the thousands of drop in type sears that were sold back in the 80’s? Ya know that theres tons of illegal FA conversions out there. Wasnt it the cartels with mac 10s that we being told to fear? Sure outlaw bumpstocks, they arent going away, just underground with the rest of the buried toys out there like the many war trophys and m1 conversions , uzi, macs hks and not to mention broom handled mausers and the probably thousands of sten out there.
The time for these discussions and negotiations is not right after a tragedy like Vegas. Trump is a deal maker. Let him do his thing. Would you trade bump stocks for CC reciprocity and easier access to suppressors? I would.
Will they try the buy back confiscation theme for these I wonder? $1200.00 buks each might be close to fair! That’ll net a few more firearms!
As a senior citizen, a hunter, a lifelong firearms enthusiast and Army veteran, I am appalled that the entire “bump stock” gimmicks ever hit shelves of retailers. As I remember, it all began by someone finding out that they could attach a fairly soft pencil eraser to the trigger guard, just behind the trigger and get the effect of burst fire. Those who will build and sell anything for a profit, went from there and viola, we see bump stocks sold to the general public. What gun sports enthusiast with half a brain, wants to let off full auto burst? They are unable to control where the bullets impact after the first two or three rounds anyway! Is it only because they are “wannabee” Rambos that they want such a thing? I can think of no good reason to allow them. I realize that I will be flamed, but I have been flamed in the past. Some of my brother gun sports enthusiast want rocket launchers and hand grenades legal too! Duh?
Now look at what you have done here by giving away another secret. They will definitely want to ban “fairly soft pencil erasers.”
Agreed
By turning firearms into toys gun owners are literally shooting each other in the foot.
What a nit. Anyone who owns a semi automatic knows he can bump fire it with this thumb. So, should be ban Thumbs?
Plus if you watch U-tube it shows how to do it with a pair of jeans or belt loops on the pants, so let’s ban pants with belt loop’s. ??
A simple solution is to bring them under the class 3 license but there are a million already owned that could be bought or stolen by terrorists or active shooters. Thats a more difficult problem. We have to be wary of liberals using this event to expand the definition. Already they are trying to use the term any device that makes shooting faster which would make modifying a trigger illegal.
Never needed a Bump stock to fire any semi auto. It does make it a bit more convenient but accurate No! It is a novelty item and fun to use from time to time but it’s not going to make or break owning any semi auto rifle. These dolt gun grabbers don’t even give an inch so why should we! The second amendment is the most infringed upon Human Right guaranteed by Our Constitution and “We The People” want our rights back! How do you think everyone would feel if the First amendment had the same restrictions and infringements against it as the Second?
I see that some GOP congressman are running to jump on the bandwagon to ban bump stocks. Not to mention that weasel Paul Ryan ! Even the NRA is willing to cave in on this issue. BUT not one person has said, well what are the Democrats willing to give in exchange for a ban on these devices ????? Sounds to me like the Democrats are still in control in DC ?
Who cares about bumpstocks ?
They’re toys at best . they serve absolutely no HD or hunting purpose . if they want to ban them, this is one time I will put up no fight.
They won’t stop at bump stocks,once their fat foot gets in the door its open season to ban what they can
I am not gun literate, but I have used a long barrel .38 police special (at 17) to intimidate a burglar out of my home (I was alone at night, with my mother); I’m glad that no one was harmed, but he never came back. Now, I intend to acquire a semiauto pistol, as a home weapon (I am alone, disabled and isolated). I recently watched an interview of a decorated SEAL officer who was repeatedly asked why anyone would need a fully automatic weapon; his response was always the same; attention within a mass society needs to be shifted from guns to the reasons so many individuals feel attracted to lethal violence. I also feel that a panicked electorate might lie down for confiscation that extends far beyond automatic rifles and sound suppressors.
“It’s a shame that they are now the target of a mob that wants to destroy their livelihood”
No! It’s a shame 58 people lost their lives. Get your priorities in gear!
As a firearm owner the type of nonsense rehtoric is what fans the flames of anti gun groups. For what prupose is a bump stock needed? Target? Hunting? Please do say self defense as any reasonable person knows there are better options for self defense. If the lunatic did not have one, the death count would have been lower. Talk to the families of those that died, and see if they feel your rights to fire rounds at that speed are needed, but who am i fooling, Im talking to the lunitc fringe that gets a chubby blowing things up at the range. Thanks for contributing to the anti gun sterotype.
Want to explain Why he had fully automatic weapons and bump fire stock weapons he would choose the bump fire? NOT, it’s all apart of the Agenda, get real!
Since the #LasVegasShooter Stephen Paddock was a lifelong Democrat who hated Donald Trump & recently converted to Islam & Antifa, America doesn’t need “Gun Control” = we need “Democrat Control”, as ALL the Mass Shootings in America are being done by Democrats like Stephen Paddock, or Jihadis aligned with the Democrat Party !!!
I have not heard any of that, from any source. Can you please provide your source?
When making changes just ask yourself, would this have prevented the shooting in Vegas? Of course, the answer is no. But Feinstein is content to just do something, anything to satisfy her needs to promote her agenda.I don’t think bump stocks should be sold, banning them will not deter the next crazy hell- bent on killing people. People are saying we should buck the NRA, they never mention the Constitution. The NRA has 5 million members of which I am one.If there were serious moves made to appeal the 2nd amendment we would see an enormous uprising, There are millions of more people than just the NRA who come out in support of our Constitution.
I never desired to waste my ammo supply and wear out my gun barrel by buying and using a bump stop device that costs close to three hundred bucks and is basically just a big piece of plastic. But that’s just me. But for some reason because the Bloomberg bunch probably engineered this whole mess iv’e suddenly developed the desire to own a couple of them…
Joe C., Did you ever live on the N/W side of Chicago?
Nope and please excuse the misspelling of bump stock as it was too early and my morning infusion of coffee hadn’t taken hold yet.
The highest priority we should have in this nation is to investigate Feinstein and her illegal dealings against the Nation, over her political career on the hill.
Gun grabbers in Washington aren’t stupid they know that you can bump fire ANY semi automatic firearm accurately without a bump fire stock. After they ban bump fire stock they will continue their assault on what they call assault weapons. Death by a million paper cuts people! Look ma no bump fire stock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UN1nGWWUlY
If everyone would stop posting everything they do online, nobody would know half the firearm capabilities out there. I don’t know why everyone wants to be famous and post a video every time they take a dump. Glad I’m not that young and dumb… do what you do and enjoy what you like, but stop giving ‘ammo’ to all the anti-gunners out there.
While I’m hesitant to give the gun grabbers an inch, lest they try to take a mile, I can make no argument aside from “…shall not be infringed.” for bump stocks. I have no issue with restricting them.
In a more civil time we’d add bump stocks to the NFA, while removing suppressors from it. It’d be a political win for everyone. But those time have long passed us by.
Is this the real reason Obama allowed the bump stock in the first place?
The Whole entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend Our rights from the government and we have the Right to own what ever the military has in it’s arsenal by our constitution. We have let our rights be trampled own for far too long in the name of false security and safety! We The People are nothing but cattle to the slaughter without our Second amendment rights in full force!
Wow Jay, you’ve hit the nail on the head. I never even heard of bump stocks before this. Still, I don’t want one, cause it’s just not my thing. Nevertheless, this is not really about bump stocks, it’s about our rights, which are being stolen everyday because we don’t fight to keep them. We really have to stick together and always remember that the government should be under our control and not the other way around. It’s vitally important that we don’t cave on this, not because I give a crap about bump stocks that I’ll never need, but because the government game is to take all of our rights away, one little bit at a time. Deep down we all know that the common sense of this, is that the tools used in this crime were not to blame, since any tool could have been used, such as a truck, a home made bomb, or a thousand other things. If the military and the police are capable of having and using weapons, then I am certainly as capable, as mentally competent, and there is no reason why I shouldn’t have available anything I desire, that they are allowed.
I don’t believe anything should be illegal… except for articles like this that are so partisan they leave out key facts. I have no love for these liberals but there are plenty of conservatives (including NRA) that are supporting this legislation.
How about this: ban retardation, mental illness and senility in high office, and cut-off their benefits after their term. If that would happen, these usurpers would no longer have a voice. In addition, if you’re a has-been poltician who agitates from the sidelines (Bloomy and Clinturd come to mind immediately), you automatically lose your retirement and protection detail. There’s nothing quite like having to face the same people you screw without having armed guards to hide behind!
Why would anyone fall for this usual agenda from the ambulance chasers in Congress? If they wish to keep stealing (by banning personally owned property), they will make criminals out of a huge number. Since they don’t seem to weigh their thinking for unintended consequences, they will likely be surprised when the people remove them from office or revolt. Things have been peaceful thus far, but who knows how much longer “We The People” will tolerate this open treason and lack of common sense from the meat puppets sitting on high. Oops, I actually meant to say “empty meat suits”. They are now worse than useless, like tits on a boar.
Replace those who agitate in next years mid-terms. Refuse to renew your NRA membership, because they are acting like they did in the 1990’s (capitulating to the will of the usurpers), until they prove they can do their job. Refuse to comply!
If the NRA goes along with this, Do not expect me to renew my membership
Agreed!!
At times you’ve got to play the political game and give some. I myself never liked the idea of being able to circumvent the law with a gimmick like the bumpfire stock. If you want full auto get yourself the necessary permit and a full-auto gun. Besides, if you can afford to burn 500 rounds in five minutes with the bumpfire stock, you can afford the full-auto license and a full-auto gun. I support the NRA in its call for a revision of BATFE regulations concerning the bumpfire stock and other rapid fire devices more or less similar, and I applaud its astute move of pointing out that Obama’s BATFE ruled twice that such devices are legal. At the same time, the NRA has provided President Trump with a nifty way out from looking like he is not doing anything after the massacre. Now it’s not the time to look intransigent and uncaring. After all, 59 dead and more than 500 wounded can’t be swept under a rug without at least giving the appearance of wanting to do something. We are one election away from losing much more than some stupid gadgets and our somewhat (not much) majority in SCOTUS is razor-thin. Keep that in mind.
We sure are (one election away from losing much more). Those politicians who go along to get along will be replaced, and I’m afraid to say it, but replacing them will be democrats. Too many people are tired of voting for weaklings who fall for everything, and most will likely stay home during the mid-terms.
Thank you very much, spineless, go-along-to-get-along republicans and NRA. With friends like you, who needs enemies!!
Like you i dont see a need for me to own one of these but others do. So i ask you: Who’s next? This time we throw bump fire stocks and their owners under the bus. Next time who will it be. AR owners, garand owners or maybe all hand guns. So please tell Who’s next when we attempt appeasement to a group that will never by happy until they have total disarmament?
Then you miss the purpose of the Second Amendment and it is the most infringed upon human right!
” I myself never liked the idea of being able to circumvent the law with a gimmick like the bumpfire stock. ”
This is an uninformed knee jerk statement. Bump stocks were approved by Obama’s BATFE 2 years ago. I don’t have one or care to, but those that do aren’t “circumventing” anything.
Want to know what’s next?
How about holosights? Scopes?
One of these days, another unhinged twit will take out victims from a distance and they’ll go after ” those evil long distance sniper scopes! ” and pose straw man questions like ” Who needs to shoot deer from more than 100 feet? ” and ” From less than 100 feet, who needs calibers more than a .243? ”
It’s about NOT giving even an inch. Gun controlling Demokkkrats never gives. Republicans are in power yet they are calling all the shots! Why? Because they have focus and resolve.
Does any rational person think that we can get national concealed carry reciprocity out of caving in on bump stocks, especially if the Dems made it legal?
Think about this: if they were to say ” We made bump stocks legal, and we can now take it away ” would they then say ” But in return, we’ll go along with your Holy Grail of National cc reciprocity! ”
I don’t see this. Do you??
Why don’t we ban Democrats from buying guns they seem to be the only ones doing the mass murders
And, by the way, you don’t need a bump stock to bump fire a semi-auto rifle. All it takes is practice.
Nose of the camel in the tent. So now bump stock, next 10 round capacity, bullets, and then all semi autos. Finestien has all them bills ready to pass out after every incident. It is wrong that we and the NRA kowtow to Democrats goal of gun bans in the USA, the Bump stock did not kill the people.
I’ll be very disappointed in the NRA if they fold on this.
I let my NRA membership expire because of the Cop Killer Bullet aka Armor Piercing Bullet Ban. I did join GOA CCRKBA ands SAF and never looked back. Now with the Bump Stock Debacle that the NRA is floundering on, I am glad that I never rejoined. They are like the InHumane Society of America.
Yup, I demanded a refund on my life membership a long time ago from these equivocating suck ass sychophant political NRA profiteers on gun control injustice. Why aren’t they counter-attacking by announcing that their lawyers are looking into criminal charges against Pelosey and the other Constitutional traitors? At the minimum there’s a business libel/defemation case? And Reporting it to Fox News. Hannity will be glad to pick up on it on his radio show
Or at least help organize the bump stock makers to file some kind of class action litigation on the grounds of malicious agenda based destruction of private businesscommerce based on absolutely NO fucking proof that bump firing is any more lethal than any other firing, or that this Vegas shooter even used them at all in the commission of his crime?!
Except in talk shit forums like this, We, The Sheeple never fucking fight back when they start attacking our gun rights! I’m with the Rutherford Organization and they are the only ones I know of right now that are proactive in preserving our rights against these totalitarian anti-2nd/A traitors.
With all the law suits in every thing we do in life, There’s a lot you can do to turn up the litigtion ‘heat’ on the likes of Pescuzzi and the other traitors? Espeially if you are a rich fraudulent entity like the NRA sucking in millions in membership fees from millions of people who don’t really pay attention but trusted them to actually fight for ‘Shall Not Be Infringed’ rights, instead of lying down when the barking and biting starts like a gun shy dog bitch with her tail stuck between her legs?
You All have to understand. THERE IS NO FUCKING COMPROMISING WITH THESE TOTALITARIANS! Even the slightest equivocation puts the people on the defensive. And in this type of War on Liberty, if we are not winning through the attack, we are surely LOSING!
If the Progressive liberal Demoncrap Commies want to ban guns why don’t they set an example and surrendeer their personal weapons, CCW permits and Security Guards. Starting with Schmucky Schuma, Baba Boxhead and the rest of the others that own weapons.
Who are you people? I love guns, when used for the purpose of NOT killing people. Who needs something that sprays ammo indiscriminately? I have kept getting emails from this web site and assume I will now be accused of being some “liberal b****”. Goodbye
I never knew that guns were made to kill! Dang, I need to get those deer out of the freezer and turn them loose! They are a tool!
As others have pointed out here, the stocks did not invent bump firing, it’s always been around. In the beginning, we stuck our finger through the trigger guard, hooked it on a belt loop and then pulled support hand forward. It was fast and fun but not that accurate and kind of dangerous. The stocks actually made bump-firing accurate because with one you can fire from the shoulder and use your sights. It’s refreshing to hear a female voice in these comments. I don’t think anyone here is going to call you names. You’re welcome to your opinion but please base it on facts instead of using buzzwords like “indiscriminant” indiscriminantly to bolster your point.
Whatever one’s opinion is on how much fun it is to shoot using a bump stock, it is clear that it is a way around all the regulations around machine guns. I agree making it illegal would accomplish nothing, but our fellow citizens are not ready to loosen the laws on machine guns and Congress will make bump stocks history.
The sad part is that this fellow had the resources and the wit to do anything he wanted, anywhere, no matter what any law said. He was a pilot, and could have crashed into that site ( at more unique events such as Super Bowls that must be a security concern). He could have bought a 100 drones and fit them with something that could do a lot of damage.
I don’t mean to promote the idea that we should sit back and do nothing, but as most of us here agree simply banning one item or another will do nothing, we need other tools to identify and thwart the crazies.
At the very least we should trade bump stocks for suppressors. It’s going to be difficult to save bump stocks. I always knew this would happen the first time somebody used one in a mass shooting. That time has come, but we should negotiate for them.
The problem is that they aren’t looking to make concessions, but that their ultimate goal is total confiscation. Anyone around during Bubba’s 2 terms should remember that. Anyone else should study the history of that time in this country if they are unaware.
Give the turds nothing, because they are never satisfied!
Sorry David, The second amendment is NON-Fucking Negotiable. If more people got that through their numb skulls, we wouldn’t be having this Firearm Fascism.
In a Totalitarian War, any so-called negotiations amounts to nothing less than a tacit victory for the enemies of the Constitution. Because in the fight for Liberty, the winners take ALL.
To all the people claiming their bump stocks are mediocre tools at best, please contact me about selling your bump stock to me…I need one before they’re all gone!! I’m serious!!
meh…i own a couple bump stocks for my AR and AK’s and they’re really fun but the novelty wears off quickly when you realize you’re burning up ammo and there’s no real use for them. Ban them if that’s gonna keep the libtards happy.
Could you sell me the one you have for your AR15?
My state is passing legislation to ban…so I’ll have to comply. Are you interested?
Wrong answer!! I agree that bump fire is gimmicky and certainly not a substitute for real, select-fire firearms BUT don’t give these liberal scum ONE thing!! Because then it will turn into something else they’ll want to ban! And then another and then another. Look where it got us in the eighties, we fell for the “common sense” gun control line. NO MORE!! I keep hearing the whiny liberals repeating, “If not now, when?!”—The answer is: NEVER!! We know your endgame is to ban all guns and that this is a game of inches, they’ll slowly chip away until they get everything. I refuse to be punished by having MY right to own whatever I want within the confines of the law because of one cowardly piece of human garbage. I’ve got news for everyone if you don’t already know, THERE ISN’T ONE LAW THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!! This turd would’ve found a way even if bump fire stocks weren’t available to him. The answer is to stop being RE-active and start being PRO-active!! It is shameful that these liberals are using this tragedy to further their agenda! But then again, they have no shame!!
YOU TELLEM’ BROTHER
Spot-on! Those self-entitled, high-end welfare cases (congressmen and senators) are like leaches. Let them attach themselves to you, and they won’t stop sucking the life out of you unless forcefully removed. Give enemies no quarter or comfort!
Rich > I agree 100%. Freedom is not Free. This is what Democrats do now, Politicize a Tragedy. Never mind largest mass murders were committed by government on Native Americans in 19th century. A Democratic Politician believes that Government should control every aspect of your life, or that is what their Donors would have them believe. We already have the largest social divide in US history. They want a nation of sheep, while the rich will have Private Security the rest will have sticks. Our current Detroit Police Chief told residents to get a gun, Police can not be there, get there to protect you. What weapons does Feinsteins Body Guards carry? Better than you.
That is true, even though I disagree with ot and it is bullshit legislation that won’t do squat. Anyone can learn to bump fire a fixed stock rifle from the shoulder WITHOUT the device. and with better effect. But, like you said, you burn through a lot of ammo really quick. Many ranges in my area won’t even allow them, so where would I shoot it? Maybe one a year at a local machine gun shoot. I like the Binary Firing Systems a lot better…..more firm control of the rifle. Haven;t heard about those yet, but am sure they will be included. Probably should get one, but they are $300+.
Banning them without getting the truth out about them sets a bad precedent.
BumpFire stocks should not be a big issue. I can “bump fire”(the verb) a “factory stock” AK-47 about as fast as I can one with a aftermarket bumpfire stock — use of the aftermarket stock can help with accuracy but — any hand held rapid fire weapon is not going to be very accurate regardless of the firing mechanism.
Who are you kidding, nothing short of total citizen control will make the libtards happy!
This site removes factual posts. I’ll support someone else that does not censor posts.
Looks like the politicians with mental issues will start their “gun ban everything” legislation. They should all move south of the border.
I second that motion!
I thought Diane’s utmost priority was steering contracts to her husband’s construction firm?
Why doesn’t she just die?
Meh, a waste of ammo. And illegal in California from the git go. What worries me more is that Ryan has tabled the SHARE Act indefinitely (even though silencers are illegal in California also.) Why all of these politicians are worried about an item that not only was NOT used, it was an item that was well within the ability of the shooter to obtain. Another tragedy being used as an excuse for bad laws. More with the universal background checks—despite the fact this guy passed a whole bunch of them. And “assault weapons” bans are back on the table too (though those are probably safe for the time being).
There were bump-fire thumbs anchored in belt loops or pockets and trigger fingers bump-bump-bumping long before the bump style stocks hit the market! These methods still work for semi-auto rifles and pistols with a little practice. Libs/dems going to try and ban firing technique too. The real issue is they all are less accurate forms of shooting especially while doing full mag dumps. With the LV attack, 30K people were packed in a relatively small area and pin point accuracy was not needed to accomplish the horrendous act. Hits, ricocheting bullets, spauling shrapnel from the lot surface all took a toll.
Bump style stocks may well be the sacrificial lamb used to feed the Lib/dem vultures circling the dead, the wounded and their Families while they screech gun-control.
There is a woman in an induced coma here in MD who was injured at that Las Vegas concert by falling glass, according to the news. I wonder how many people were shot and how many died or were injured by other causes that resulted from the shooting– falling objects, trampling, etc. That’s a curiosity question I’ve heard raised but not answered.
Say Mark, if you’re so intent upon sucking up to the libtards, why don’t you make them really happy and give them your ARs and AK??? Throw in your entire supply of ammo as well. That would make them really happy as they laugh dance their way down to the Hunger Games Playoffs. Maybe you could also get a part time job their standing naked and selling condoms during ‘intermission’..?
Diane ‘I want to ban everything’ Feinstein! Why am I not surprised? Closing this loophole is her highest priority? Really?