{"id":83318,"date":"2017-12-11T15:09:34","date_gmt":"2017-12-11T20:09:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/?p=83318"},"modified":"2017-12-11T15:09:34","modified_gmt":"2023-08-21T13:13:16","slug":"rifle-less-accurate-suppressor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/rifle-less-accurate-suppressor\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Your Rifle More or Less Accurate with a Suppressor?"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Is a rifle more or less accurate with a suppressor? There’s only one way to find out.<\/p><\/div>\n

Would you rather be quiet or accurate? Do you have to choose between them or do this two concepts coexist like politicians and sex scandals?<\/p>\n

Not so long ago, I competed in an F-Class match, shooting at a distance of 800 yards. One thing that stood out was the competitors\u2019 finicky attention to muzzle devices, or more accurately, the lack thereof. First, F-class allows none, so there\u2019s that. Second, the chatter on the firing line was that muzzle devices like brakes, flash hiders, and suppressors only reduce the accuracy of a rifle. I have no reason to doubt that, but it did get me thinking.<\/p>\n

Would my everyday rifle configurations be more or less accurate with a suppressor? These aren\u2019t tweaked out F-Class race guns. I use them for plinking, less-rigid competition, home defense, and denting steel plates. As an experiment, I decided to compare the accuracy of a couple of rifles outfitted with the standard muzzle device – a flash hider or brake – with the same rifles and ammo geared up with one of my suppressors. Just to be clear, suppressors can help you shoot more accurately because they reduce the blast, noise, and smooth out recoil. That helps the shooter focus on breaking a perfect shot with less noise and distraction. What I was looking for here was any \u201cmechanical\u201d impact on accuracy, not my ability to shoot better using a can.<\/p>\n

To keep optical and wind error out of the picture, I shot a boatload of five-shot groups in each configuration at 100 yards. Yes, there might be some stabilization differences that show at longer distances, but then I would be adding more weight to other variables like wind and my eyes.<\/p>\n

Again to try to minimize some variables, I aimed for \u201cwarm barrel\u201d scenarios. After some sighters to get on paper, I alternated rifles to give each a chance to cool back down after each five-shot group. By resting the rifles and taking my time, I figured I would stay in the \u201cwarm\u201d range and not run into accuracy issues from some groups coming from cold, warm, and smoking hot barrels.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s take a look at some results.<\/p>\n

Masterpiece Arms MPA BA Lite with SIG Sauer OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor<\/h2>\n

OK, so maybe this isn\u2019t an everyday rifle for plinking and home defense, but I like to shoot it. Don\u2019t judge. On the other hand, it\u2019s amazingly consistent. It\u2019s also built from the ground up for pure accuracy. Potentially offsetting factors like weight and semi-automatic operation aren\u2019t going to interfere with its accuracy mission. I had a hunch that this one might just shoot better out of the box before sticking a suppressor on the end but there was only one way to find out.<\/p>\n

I used Sig Sauer\u2019s brand new OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor ammunition<\/a>. Based on my previous experience with the accuracy of Sig\u2019s match ammo, I had high expectations. This load with its 140-grain open-top boat tail projectile didn\u2019t disappoint.<\/p>\n

\"Sig<\/a>

Sig Sauer’s brand new 6.5mm Creedmoor OTM Match Grade ammo shot like a champ from the Masterpiece Arms MPA BE Lite rifle. This is a five-shot group from 100 yards.<\/p><\/div>\n

I shot a bunch of five-shot groups from 100 yards with only the default muzzle brake in place. As you can see from the photo, this brake is a beast. It\u2019s about the size and weight of a grenade and makes a similar concussion. The Range Officer was convinced I was shooting a .338 Lapua Magnum until I showed him the comparatively small 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges.<\/p>\n

I also shot a bunch of groups after removing Brake-Zilla and adding a SilencerCo Specwar 762 suppressor. Also a quality piece of gear, this can makes a great impact weapon in a pinch. Over the years I\u2019ve had it, I\u2019ve found it to be consistent regarding point of impact shift and consistency.<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s what I found.<\/p>\n

Shooting in the factory configuration, my overall average group size came out to 0.63 inches with a best five-shot group of just .44 inches. That ain\u2019t shabby, and I have to say I was pleased with the performance of the new Sig 6.5mm Creedmoor ammo. For factory ammunition not sized to a specific chamber, that\u2019s pretty darn good.<\/p>\n

\"The<\/a>

The Masterpiece Arms rifle seemed to shoot better without a suppressor.<\/p><\/div>\n

After I added the suppressor, my group size actually increased as I suspected it might on this particular rifle. After all, it\u2019s built just so for accuracy, and monkeying around with weight on the end of the barrel, as heavy as it is, probably isn\u2019t going to help things. My overall average five-shot group size worked out to 0.90 inches with the smallest group of .80 and largest of 1.01 inches at 100 yards.<\/p>\n

\"Perhaps<\/a>

Perhaps the metric ton weight of Brake-Zilla kept the rifle stable…<\/p><\/div>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 Performance Center 6.5mm Creedmoor with Sig Sauer OTM Match Grade<\/h2>\n

Next, I decided to move to a more \u201ceveryday\u201d rifle configuration. In past tests, I\u2019ve found this Smith & Wesson M&P 10 Performance Center model<\/a> to be a consistent and accurate rifle. I repeated the process, keeping the rifle in the \u201cwarm\u201d range while firing all of my five-shot groups from 100 yards.<\/p>\n

Because tinkering is fun, I had added a Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Eliminator to this rifle, so I elected to leave that as the \u201cdefault\u201d instead of the factory flash hider. My overall average group size with the flash hider installed was 0.98 inches with the smallest group being 0.75 inches and the largest 1.14 inches.<\/p>\n

I added the same SilencerCo Specwar 762 can that I used on the Masterpiece Arms rifle and proceeded to burn more Sig Sauer ammo. The overall group size? It was 1.03 inches with a smallest of 0.97 inch and largest of 1.12 inches.<\/p>\n

To properly use the words \u201cstatistically the same\u201d I would have to burn a few thousand round of ammo, but indications were that this rifle really didn\u2019t care between these two configurations with the Sig Sauer 6.5mm Creedmoor ammo.<\/p>\n

Expanded Testing<\/h2>\n

Being curious, I decided to informally expand my testing a bit on this one. I shot some group using American Eagle\u2019s 140-grain Open Tip Match ammo with and without a Gemtech Tracker suppressor. The Tracker is a lightweight model designed for low-volume hunting applications so I figured I might see some more variance with that. I did. My unsuppressed group average was 1.09 inches while the Tracker suppressed groups averaged out to 1.255 inches.<\/p>\n

Hmmm. So this rifle wasn\u2019t as happy with a lightweight can. That didn\u2019t surprise me. Next, I decided to go back to my original \u201cheavy suppressor\u201d configuration and swap ammunition. I had worked up a batch of handloads using the Hornady 140-grain ELD bullets, so I tried those unsuppressed and with the Specwar 762. Unsuppressed, my average group size was 1.02 inches. When I added the suppressor, the average group shrank to .65 inches.<\/p>\n

\"I<\/a>

I alternated rifles to keep them all in a “warm barrel” state.<\/p><\/div>\n

Summary<\/h2>\n

It seemed there were conflicting results depending on the combination of rifle, suppressor, and ammo. Here\u2019s how it all netted out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Rifle<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nAmmunition<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nMuzzle Configuration<\/b><\/span><\/td>\n\n

Average Group Size<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Masterpiece Arms MPA BA Lite<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nSig Sauer OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor<\/span><\/td>\nFactory Brake<\/span><\/td>\n\n

.63\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Masterpiece Arms MPA BA Lite<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nSig Sauer OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor<\/span><\/td>\nSilencerCo Specwar 762<\/span><\/td>\n\n

.90\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nSig Sauer OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor<\/span><\/td>\nSmith Enterprise Vortex Flash Eliminator<\/span><\/td>\n\n

.98\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nSig Sauer OTM Match Grade 6.5mm Creedmoor<\/span><\/td>\nSilencerCo Specwar 762<\/span><\/td>\n\n

1.03\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nAmerican Eagle\u2019s 140-grain Open Tip Match<\/span><\/td>\nFactory Flash Hider<\/span><\/td>\n\n

1.09\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nAmerican Eagle\u2019s 140-grain Open Tip Match<\/span><\/td>\nGemtech Tracker<\/span><\/td>\n\n

1.255\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nHandload Hornady 140-grain ELD<\/span><\/td>\nFactory Flash Hider<\/span><\/td>\n\n

1.02\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

Smith & Wesson M&P 10 PC<\/b><\/span><\/td>\nHandload Hornady 140-grain ELD<\/span><\/td>\nSilencerCo Specwar 762<\/span><\/td>\n\n

.65\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

VooDoo Review<\/h2>\n

So let\u2019s boil this down into some probable explanations and learnings.<\/p>\n

First of all, there\u2019s clearly no universal takeaway from this limited experiment. Will your rifle be more accurate suppressed? Maybe. Or maybe not. It all depends on the combination of ammo, rifle, and suppressor.<\/p>\n

The whole subject of barrel harmonics and what happens when you add objects of different weight to the fiery end is pure VooDoo. In theory, if the barrel moves in exactly the same way every time you pull the trigger, then precision should always correspond with the overall quality of the bore. Since the MPA BA Lite outperformed the suppressor configuration with its factory brake, I\u2019d assume the smart folks at Masterpiece Arms designed the barrel brake to play nicely together. They certainly do. That might explain why I got larger groups by adding the SilencerCo Specwar with this rifle but smaller ones on a different rifle.<\/p>\n

This is pure theory on my part, but I have to think that the suppressor mount will come into play. The SilencerCo Specwar 762 is a rock-solid system, but it uses a quick attach and detach mounting system. The suppressor threads onto the SilencerCo muzzle brake (or flash hider depending on what you choose) and then locks into place. Given that I got better accuracy results with the Silencer attached I have to assume that nothing is moving up front as the bullet travels down the barrel. However, I also have to conjecture that a rigid direct thread mount on a quality suppressor might perform even better. That might have to be a future project for a head to head quick attach versus direct thread comparison using the same suppressor, rifle, and ammo combination.<\/p>\n

The Gemtech results have me a little stumped. The Tracker uses a direct thread attach, so it\u2019s solid on the barrel once installed. I wasn\u2019t surprised that it was less accurate. But only because of some general notion of \u201clighter and less expensive.\u201d Why was it? Perhaps there\u2019s some buffeting business going on as the bullet travels past the baffles. While that expanding gas cloud will be behind the bullet, the projectile is going to be pushing air on its own as it travels through the can. Is there a measurable accuracy impact from that compressed air hitting the suppressor interior? Does a less expensive can have more variance in the baffle construction that interferes with the compressed-air column? Got me. If you have thoughts on the matter, I\u2019d love to hear them.<\/p>\n

Lasting Impressions<\/h2>\n

While there\u2019s not enough data here to prove the issue, I have to believe that quality and consistency of the suppressor itself will have a lot to do with the outcome. If there\u2019s any merit to my buffeting theory, then the absolute consistency of the internal baffles would have an impact on precision shot to shot.<\/p>\n

So, the answer is clear. Your rifle might be more accurate suppressed. Or it might not.<\/p>\n

For more information about Smith & Wesson Performance Center, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

To learn \u00a0more information about MasterPiece Arms, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

For more information about SIG Sauer’s Elite Performance Ammunition, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

To purchase a Smith & Wesson M&P Rifle on GunsAmerica, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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