{"id":5948,"date":"2012-08-01T23:37:30","date_gmt":"2012-08-02T03:37:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/?p=5948"},"modified":"2026-04-27T07:17:10","modified_gmt":"2026-04-27T12:17:10","slug":"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder &#8211; Casting Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<table style=\"margin: 10px; width: 430px;\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 30px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/administration\/user\/GunsAmericaRegistration.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_new\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/subscribe+long+banner_001.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>NOTE: <b>Please see <a href=\"\/blog\/bullet-casting-101-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\">part 1<\/a> of this series for an introduction to casting, and <a href=\"\/blog\/bullet-casting-for-beginners-part-2-hardness-sizing-lubing\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\">part 2<\/a> for an explantion of hardness, sizing, and other issues.<\/b><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/testbullets.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/testbullets1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>In this article we take a look at using backstop fodder as a basis for free lead, in comparision to purchased lead alloys from Rotometals, a company specifically selling alloys for casting bullets. We used this Lee hardness kit for the testing. It dimples the metal and you use an included microscope to measure the dimple. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/hardness-number-brinnell.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/hardness-number-brinnell1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>We covered how to use the hardness kit in our last casting article, and the basics of casting in the first article in this series. If you look at this chart, the .052-.054 we got for a hardness measurement on our two &#8220;hardball&#8221; alloys corresponds to 22,852 to 24,703 PSI. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/45acp.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/45acp1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>According to the <a href=\"https:\/\/data.hodgdon.com\/main_menu.asp\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\">Hodgdon online data center<\/a>, that should handle most standard pressure handgun loads, including <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/45acp\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">45ACP<\/a> and even <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/9mm\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">9mm<\/a> up to 1100 feet per second or so with a 125gr. lead roundnose. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/range.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/range1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>The base for these alloys came from range fodder from an indoor range. They hire a third party to remove all of their lead due to ridiculous regulations from OSHA, but they let us steal some for these tests. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-3-range-bullet-fodder-melting-lyman-pot.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-3-range-bullet-fodder-melting-lyman-pot1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>The first step is to fill up your melting pot with the smashed up fodder. Then just leave it to melt. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-adding-more-lead.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-adding-more-lead1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>Then just add more until you are done, or your pot is full. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/jacket-material.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/jacket-material1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>You could even guestimate how much lead you have in the pot and make your alloy in one shot, within loose parameters. We found that by weight, the jacket material and slag scooped off the top comes out to just over 25% of the total weight of the range fodder at the start. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/lead.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/lead1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>This batch yielded almost 93 ounces of usable lead cast into ingots. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/meltingpot.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/meltingpot1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>Re-melted with a two ounce piece of tin wire and a six ounce chunk of antimony (at the top), it came out to roughly the same 92\/2\/6 percentages of the hardball alloy from Rotometals, where we also bought the tin and antimony. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/melting-antimony.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/melting-antimony1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>Turns out that antimony is difficult to work with in casting bullets. It melts at almost 1200 degrees, and our 117 volt Lyman put was like the little engine that could trying to get it melted, but we have no idea if it mixed properly in the alloy, because antimony apparently doens&#8217;t mix so well on its own. The bullets seem fine though. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-adding-more-lead.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-adding-more-lead1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>Then just add more until you are done, or your pot is full. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/jacket-material.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/jacket-material1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>You could even guestimate how much lead you have in the pot and make your alloy in one shot, within loose parameters. We found that by weight, the jacket material and slag scooped off the top comes out to just over 25% of the total weight of the range fodder at the start. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-linotype-bar.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bullet-casting-range-fodder-melting-lyman-lead-pot-linotype-bar1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>We also bought this 7 pound block of &#8220;hardball alloy&#8221; from Rotometals for a comparison. It is 92\/2\/6, lead, tin, antimony. As you can see from the top picture, they were virtually identical. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/opening+mold.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/opening+mold1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>The harder your alloy, the more difficult it is to get the bullets out of the mold, because they shrink less on cooling. We use a piece of wooden 2&#215;4 and whack the handles, not the aluminum mold. They drop free after a couple whacks. All of these bullets were dropped into water to &#8220;quench&#8221; them, which makes them harder. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"block\"><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/hardcasting-alloy.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/hardcasting-alloy1.jpg\" alt=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" width=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"block\" style=\"padding-bottom: 10px;\"><em>Our last mixture utilized an alloy from Rotometals called &#8220;super hard&#8221; which is 70% lead and 30% antimony. It is meant to save you the hassle of dealing with and melting antimony directly. It melts at 650 degrees and there are no mixing issues. We tried it with this old brick of 30-1 (lead\/tin) we had from making .45-70 bullets for a Sharps. It works out to 90\/3\/7, but the hardness didn&#8217;t seem to reflect what it should have on paper. There are always factors that effect the metalurgy of your final mix, and for some reason this one didn&#8217;t work out as planned, but such is the way of bullet casting. Don&#8217;t let it get you down. Load and use the bullets and you&#8217;ll find that they are usually fine for your purposes, and it&#8217;ll save you a ton of money on jacketed bullets. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom: 15px;\" align=\"left\">\n<p>Rotometals (tin, antimony, Superhard source)<br \/>\n<a class=\"clickTracking\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rotometals.com\/Bullet-Casting-Alloys-s\/5.htm\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.rotometals.com\/bullets<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Metallurgy isn&#8217;t a fuzzy science. When it comes to mixing metals, certain rules give you guaranteed certain results. But when it comes to casting bullets, the metalurgy isn&#8217;t as simple as you might expect. Small variances in temperature or handling can affect your bullets a great deal. But to a certain degree, you can count on a usable product with a given set of set variables, and that has been our focus here. For this article we decided to take a look at the mechanics of common casting alloys. You can buy completed alloys for just over $2-$3 per pound, but if you can find a free source for the main component of cast bullets, the lead, you can bring your cost down substantially. With the additions of small amounts of additional metals, your bullets can be made harder than pure lead, and this makes them able to handle more pressure and velocity. With virtually no sacrifice in performance, you can shoot just about any handgun caliber, and even some rifle calibers, using cast bullets, at a fraction of the cost of jacket rounds.<\/p>\n<p>Bullet casting mixtures are generally made of a mixture of three metals. Lead comprises by far the majority of the mixture, and tin and antimony are added in varying percentages for desired specific effects. Tin adds some hardness to lead, but only up to about 5-10% of the total mixture. It also helps the mold fill out. Antimony adds hardness to casting mixtures, in proportion to how much you put in, but too much antimony and the bullets don&#8217;t cast well and will become brittle. Generally it is a give and take between the three metals, based on what you plan to shoot versus cost and performance. Arsenic is also found in casting alloys, but casters generally don&#8217;t add it themselves.<\/p>\n<p>Our premise at the start of this article series was &#8220;free bullets for life.&#8221; In our first installment we tried to cast from pure &#8220;wheel weights&#8221; (the pieces of lead used to balance your car tires) but we couldn&#8217;t get any. We did find the stick on kind, but they turned out to be almost pure lead, and very soft, not the classic semi-hard alloy found in the clip ons. If you Google around, a lot of &#8220;bullet casting theory&#8221; is based on the easy acquisition of clip on wheel weights. But with the rising cost of raw metals over the last ten years, apparently the tire shops re-use their wheel weights now, and those that don&#8217;t recycle them for credit. Free wheel weights probably exist in some parts of the country, but they aren&#8217;t as readily available as in the past. Most of the casting data for wheel weights is useless if you can&#8217;t get them, so we really have to start back at zero, and experiment from here.<\/p>\n<p>Backstop fodder is generally available, and that is our focus for the tests here. You can dig backstop fodder out of the burms at your outdoor range. It stays together in the dirt fairly well and it separates when you melt it in your lead pot. The copper jackets don&#8217;t melt and they just float to the top. We got lucky enough to find some indoor range backstop fodder for our tests. This isn&#8217;t as easy as you might think because most indoor ranges contract a third party company to clean the range. This is due to OSHA regulations, because even without handling lead employees at ranges have to be tested regularly for lead poisoning. If you have employees that handle lead it is even worse, and most range owners give all of their range fodder to an outside company that does the service of cleaning the range, while getting paid with the raw metals.<\/p>\n<p>Our range fodder batch turned out to be about 75% lead and 25% jacket material when we melted it away. The lead part is apparently mostly just that, lead, as it was not that much harder than the pure lead stick on wheel weights we started with in the first article. We used this lead to make our own alloy using purchased tin and antimony, and it provided a great basis for comparison with purchased alloy ingots we bought online.<\/p>\n<p>If you are using backstop fodder as a source of free lead, you will need to purchase some tin and antimony. We found a company called Rotometals that advertises on some of the cast bullet forums and as a mail order source for casting metals we can recommend them highly. Our order came quickly, and they have free shipping over $100, so when you look up the price of your metals, that&#8217;s the price, no guessing on the shipping charges required. Forty or fifty pounds of lead may seem like a lot of lead, but it goes quick and it is a smaller physical quantity than you would expect. There are 7000 grains in a pound, so one pound of alloy will yield only 30 .45ACP bullets at the traditional roundball weight of 230 grains. Forty pounds will yield 1200 bullets, for a hundred bucks. With a $30 brick of primers, a $20 can of powder, and your saved range brass, even only 1000 rounds at $150 is a steal at today&#8217;s ammo prices, and if you can just buy your tin and antimony from Rotometals, the cost of your bullets will go down to next to nothing.<\/p>\n<p>Tin is the most expensive of the casting metals and most mixtures don&#8217;t use more than 5% tin. We ordered the tin wire from the <a class=\"clickTracking\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rotometals.com\/Tin-Ingot-s\/27.htm\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rotometals tin page<\/a>, at $16.99 a pound. Tin also serves to inhibit the oxidation of antimony in the mixture apparently, up to a certain temperature, so it will help your alloys be more repeatable for the same results. You don&#8217;t have to add more than 2-3% tin for perfectly usable bullets that fill out the mold completely, and leaving it out isn&#8217;t advisable. Even heave, 400grain plus, slow moving .45-70 bullets will benefit from some tin, even at 30-1 lead\/tin and 20-1 is a standard for low velocity handgun calibers.<\/p>\n<p>Antimony is not as expensive as tin, $13.99 a pound, but there are some additional details you need to know about it. For one, antimony is really poisonous. Unwittingly we ordered a pound of it from Rotometals and broke chunks off with a hammer for our alloy experiments, probably inhaling dust. Antimony also melts at a much higher temperature than lead, 1167 degrees, so with our 117volt <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/lyman-products\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\">Lyman casting pot<\/a> it took a while for the mixture to get up to temperature and melt the antimony. According to the best casting source online from the <a class=\"clickTracking\" href=\"https:\/\/www.lasc.us\/SuperHard.htm\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"casting-bullets-from-backstop-fodder-casting-part-3\" title=\"Casting Bullets from Backstop Fodder - Casting Part 3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Los Angeles Silouette Club<\/a>, antimony has yet another detail that it doesn&#8217;t mix well by itself either. Notheless our alloy worked fine melting it right into the mixture. Rotometals has an answer to the problems with antimony. They call it &#8220;super hard&#8221; alloy and it is made from 70% lead and 30% antimony. For bullets this alloy by itself would be far too brittle, but is made to cut other mixtures and pure lead without having to deal with the raw antimony. Super Hard melts at 650 degrees and because it is pre-melted and mixed, so you can add it into pure lead or lead and tin mixture to get an appropriate percentage of antimony, without having to worry about it not mixing right.<\/p>\n<p>In our first alloy mixture, before discovering the implications of pure antimony, we attempted to duplicate the Rotometals &#8220;hardball&#8221; alloy at 92% lead, 6% antimony, and 2% tin. It just so happened that when we melted down a bucket of range fodder, we ended up with 92 ounces of lead, so we added 6 ounces of antimony and 2 ounces of tin. As explained, we hammered a piece of antimony off the one pound crystallized chunk that came from Rotometals,( and that isn&#8217;t advisable for health reasons). Live (thankfully) and learn as they say! From now on we use the super hard alloy to cut in antimony, or be a lot more careful with the pure antimony.<\/p>\n<p>The results of this alloy were pretty good, even though the mixture got way too hot, oxidized a ton, and the bullets came out frosted, which is always a sign of a mixture that is too hot. Nothing ever goes the way you think it will when you are casting as a novice. We used a dipper to cast with these batches because the Lyman bottom pour pot you see in the pictures has never reliably poured from the bottom. With a too hot mixture you have to let the mold cool down for a while before you shake out the bullets. Otherwise the sprue plate will drag lead across the top of the mold, and the bullets can even droop when you drop them out. In this case it was probably a good idea to have the mixture too hot because it helped the antimony mix well, and you will see in your own casting that generally one problem always ends up being the answer to fix another problem, so you end up trying to find somewhere in the<\/p>\n<p>In between our experimental alloys, we cast some of the purchased Rotometals version of &#8220;hardball&#8221; alloy, as well as some &#8220;Linotype,&#8221; which is made from 84% lead, 12% antimony, and 4% tin. Linotype is very hard and can be used for high pressure magnum rounds, as well as .30 caliber rifle bullets without gas checks. Historically it has been used to cut and harden clip on wheel weights as well. The name Linotype comes from the original purpose of this mixture, printing presses. It used to be that every issue of every newspaper had to be set up every day with new characters made of Linotype, that were used to press the ink onto the newspapers. Linotype, like clip on wheel weights, used to be easy to get. Today the mixture percentages are just a legacy, and a reference point for bullet casting. Many old recipes will say n% Linotype and n% pure lead, or wheel weights. For most purposes the Rotometals hardball recipe is fine, but we made some of everything to get out shooting for the next article.<\/p>\n<p>As you can see from the pictures, our hardball mixture came out pretty close to the mail order Rototmetals hardball mixture in hardness, diameter and weight, so the two were indistinguishable, even though the casting conditions weren&#8217;t perfect. This is the thing about bullet casting. It almost never goes all right, but the result is almost always usable bullets, and that is really all that matters for most people.<\/p>\n<p>There is some geezer science you should be aware of that may or may not affect how you deal with your own alloy creations. The harder an alloy gets, the less it &#8220;shrinks&#8221; when it cools. Shrinkage is how we get the bullets out of the mold so easy. All metal shrinks when it cools, but softer metals shrink more. The same mold, cast with a super hard mixture, will produce bullets with a greater diameter than the same mold with a softer mixture. Hard bullets stick to the mold more as well, just for this reason. When it comes to range rounds and lead bullets, you will find that 99% of the time you don&#8217;t need to size them and you can load them out right out of the mold. A thousandth of an inch or a little won&#8217;t make a noticeable difference in your loads, your accuracy, or anything else, and this is really all you see for a difference in diameter on the harder mixtures.<\/p>\n<p>A phenomenon known as &#8220;gas cutting&#8221; is thought to be the biggest enemy of cast bullets. This is when you retrieve your fired bullet from the burm, or shoot it into water, and it shows signs of melting on the sides. This leads to a lot of lead left in your barrel, known as &#8220;leading.&#8221; Leading can also be caused by driving too soft a bullet too fast, so that it drags on the rifling. Other than that, gas cutting is more of a mythical creature than anything else. Some will tell you that gas cutting is caused by lead being too soft, and the pressure melts the base of the bullet. Others will tell you that it is from lead being too hard, so it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;obturate&#8221; (thanks for the correction guys lol) the bore when fired, filling the rifling, and it lets the gas get by on the sides, which melts it. We are going to shoot some of the these bullets in the next article, so we&#8217;ll see just how any of this plays out. Gas cutting and leading are real issues, but variables in the gun and the barrel have as much to do with it as much as lead hardness and bullet diameter. The best thing is to make a small batch that makes sense for what you are doing and try it. Light leading can be easily removed by shooting a jacketed round through the gun, so you don&#8217;t have a lot to loose.<\/p>\n<p>To follow up on the discussion on heat treating from the last article, we did try to heat treat the hardball alloy from Rotometals as well as our own hardball recipe, and the third recipe we hadn&#8217;t discussed yet, and the Linotype and some bullets made from the pure range fodder. Again, the results were inconclusive. Quenching the bullets in water as they dropped out of the mold appeared to have some effect on adding some hardness, but at 450 degrees in a regular oven most of the bullets melted after about ten minutes and those that didn&#8217;t showed only a small increase in hardness, maybe two points on the BNH scale for hardness. On further reading, arsenic may be the key ingredient to make heating treating more effective, but who is going to buy arsenic? Wheel weights apparently have some arsenic, which is why you hear heat treating referenced by experienced geezer casters, but if you can&#8217;t get wheel weights you have to deal with what you can get.<\/p>\n<p>The hardness measurements you see here may be accurate and they may not be accurate. Quenching and heat treating didn&#8217;t have the effect that you read about on the internet forums. Maybe it is just the arsenic, and maybe it is the Lee Hardness Testing Kit and the measurement methodology itself. By sanding one side of bullet flat, we could be both heat treating and\/or work hardening or softening the bullets themselves. We tried using both a course wood rasp and a belt sander to make the flats required for the device, but both heated up the bullets at least some. And both are definitely modifying the surface to some degree from the original hardness. There are other hardness measurements, but if the Lee kit is close to correct, and at least relative to itself, we should have enough data to load these batches of bullets up to take to the range to test.<\/p>\n<p>If you are already casting or just about to begin casting, this is a far from exact science, so don&#8217;t bother trying to nail your percentages perfectly. Lead, tin and antimony (as well as the superhard alloy for blending antimony) come in chunks or ingots. You can&#8217;t exactly heat up a butter knife and slice off how much you need. Approximate percentages are fine, and should give you close to the<br \/>\nresults as if you had hit your target percentages perfectly. In our last batch for this test we had hoped to make a slightly harder allow for use with a .357 Magnum. The pressure of the .357 for a 125gr. round nose lead bullet, according to the Hodgdon website, should be loaded to between 13,000 and 30,000 PSI. According to the manual that comes with the Lee Hardness Kit, this would correspond to a hardness between 11 BNH and about 22 BNH. The BNH, or Brinnell scale, is itself an arbitrary numbering system, so don&#8217;t let your eyes glass over when you get into this stuff. The manual shows you the measurement of the dimple, with the accepted working PSI of the alloy you are measuring.<\/p>\n<p>This batch for the .357 we had hoped would measure the dimple around .050, to make full snot .357 Magnum rounds, but even with some attempted heat treating in the oven (also almost no effect), it never got harder than about .054, which corresponds in the manual to a working maximum PSI of 22,852. The other alloys, our hardball and the Rotometals hardball, had measured .052, so they were a little harder. This batch didn&#8217;t hit the alloy numbers perfectly. We used an 117 ounce ingot of 30-1 (lead\/tin) and 34 ounces of Rotometals superhard (70\/30 lead\/antimony). This worked out to about 90% lead, 3% tin, and 7% antimony. This is close to the 92\/2\/6 of the Rotometals hardball, but as we said at the start of this article, metalurgy is not a fuzzy science. This mixture will work in the .357 Magnum, but probably not at full snot strength.<\/p>\n<p>We hope to return for our next installment with loading and shooting all of these alloys and maybe a couple more. If anything, bullet casting is an adventure in experimentation. In the home environment, you won&#8217;t be able to control all the variables, and until you develop a perfected system, your finished product will be as inconsistent as ours. But at the end of the day, you&#8217;ll have bullets that work and shoot well. Three bullet casters will give you four opinions, so beyond the research you can do in books and online, your own testing with your own guns will make more of a difference than anything else. And you of course will get your gun nerd merit badge for casting, well on your way to a full-fledged gun nut.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Metallurgy isn\u2019t a fuzzy science. When it comes to mixing metals, certain rules give you guaranteed certain results. But when it comes to casting bullets, the metalurgy isn\u2019t as simple as you might expect. Small variances in temperature or handling can affect your bullets a great deal. But to a certain degree, you can count on a usable product with a given set of set variables, and that has been our focus here. For this article we decided to take a look at the mechanics of common casting alloys. You can buy completed alloys for just over $2-$3 per pound, but if you can find a free source for the main component of cast bullets, the lead, you can bring your cost down substantially. 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