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Each year around the holidays pro-gun control organizations put out pamphlets, infographics, and articles on the gun debate to arm like-minded individuals with quick \u201cfacts\u201d to help them win the indubitable spats that arise when booze, extended family and politics met at the Thanksgiving (Christmas, Chanukah, etc.) dinner table. Well, I like to respond to these articles because they are often misleading, incomplete or just downright false.<\/p>\n

This year I\u2019m going to respond to The Trace\u2019s<\/em> article called, \u201cNine Ways to Enjoy a Fact-based Gun Debate With Your Thanksgiving Bird<\/a>,\u201d written by Evan Defilippis and Devin Hughes.<\/p>\n

Instead of copying and pasting their entire article, I chose to grab the initial pro-gun argument they refute, an excerpt from their refutation, and then I respond with my own rebuttal. For maximum clarification, I suggest you read The Trace article first and then check out mine. \u00a0You’ll see what I did.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cGun-free zones are target practice for sickos.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cIn our own analysis of 65 active shootings between 2000 and 2013 in public spaces or commercial areas open to pedestrians, we found that 25 of those areas allowed firearms.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> Is it true that mass killings only happen in gun-free zones? No. It\u2019s not. But the majority do. Does this mean that madmen, terrorists, gangsters and other evildoers prefer soft targets? I guess that could be answered on a case by case basis.<\/p>\n

But the underlying question is not about whether gun-free zones incentivize killers, it\u2019s about whether we as a society want to allow these murderers the ability to kill innocents with impunity?<\/p>\n

As you\u2019ll notice from time to time, when the rubber actually meets the road, even the most strident anti-gunner sees the logic in armed civil resistance.<\/p>\n

\u201cYour options are run, hide, or fight,\u201d said Washington, D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier<\/a>, a longtime supporter of the city\u2019s draconian concealed carry laws, in an interview with Anderson Cooper. \u201cIf you\u2019re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it\u2019s the best option for saving lives before police can get there.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThat\u2019s kind of counter-intuitive to what cops always tell people, right? We always tell people, \u2018Don\u2019t take action. Call 911. Don\u2019t intervene in the robbery.\u2019 \u2026We\u2019ve never told people, \u2018Take action.\u2019 It\u2019s a different\u2026 scenario,\u201d Lanier explained.<\/p>\n

Bottom line: A society is safer when there are more armed good guys.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cMass shootings aren\u2019t a gun problem, they\u2019re a mental health problem.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace<\/strong>: \u201cLess than 4 percent of all types of violent acts are committed by people with a mental illness, who are more a threat to themselves than to others. Outside of gun availability, alcohol abuse has a much stronger relationship with gun violence than mental health does. Indeed, studies find that severe mental illness alone is \u201cstatistically unrelated\u201d to violence.\u201d<\/p>\n

My rebuttal:<\/strong> It\u2019s true what they say in their response. Most mass killings have stronger ties to alcohol abuse than mental health. But when we talk about the mass shootings that define our time (Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook), the ones that make national headlines, it\u2019s clear that mental health plays a major role.<\/p>\n

The real question is where do we want to spend our time, money and resources? As I\u2019ve argued<\/a>, the real epidemic as it relates to gun violence is in the African American community.<\/p>\n

To quote a Pew Study<\/a>, \u201cA disproportionate share of gun homicide victims are black (55% in 2010, compared with the 13% black share of the population). Whites were 25% of victims but 65% of the population in 2010. Hispanics were 17% of victims and 16% of the population in 2010.\u201d<\/p>\n

Compared to their white peers, young black men are five times more likely to be gunned downed. Since most crime is black on black, white on white, Hispanic on Hispanic we have to ask ourselves, honestly, what\u2019s going on in the African-American community? Moreover, what solutions will actually help to reduce the bloodshed?<\/p>\n

Is it drug related? Is it alcohol related? Is it gang related? What can we do to help these communities?<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cBackground checks don\u2019t reduce gun violence. Criminals don\u2019t follow laws, which only infringe on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cFirst, it is true that there\u2019s no conclusive proof that the background check system introduced by the 1993 Brady Act has significantly reduced gun violence.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> Well, that initial point just about says it all. However, what I will add is that the existing background check system still needs to be improved.<\/p>\n

The National Shooting Sports Foundation has a Fix NICS <\/a>program that works to increase the \u201cnumber of prohibiting records states submit to the FBI databases, helping to prevent illegal transfers of firearms to those who are prohibited from owning firearms under current law. Including these missing records will help ensure more accurate and complete background checks.\u201d<\/p>\n

Yes, we need to improve the system. But no we do not need universal background checks or a law that requires background checks on all private transfers, including those between family members, neighbors, and longtime friends. It\u2019s tantamount to a tax on the Second Amendment, as FFLs don\u2019t run those checks for free.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cIf tougher gun laws stop gun violence, how do you explain Chicago?\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cChicago is proof that living next to bad neighbors can lead to bad outcomes. Illinois is bordered by Indiana, Missouri, and Kentucky, all of which have weaker gun laws and routinely traffic large number of guns into Chicago.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> The people in Chicago are killing the people in Chicago. It has nothing to do with \u201cbad neighbors.\u201d It doesn\u2019t take a genius to recognize that Chicago\u2019s violence problem is fueled by the city\u2019s pervasive gang culture. Eliminate the gangs and it would eliminate much of the violence.<\/p>\n

On another note, this \u201cbad neighbors\u201d argument is a slippery slope. It never stops, and it\u2019s a recipe for more and more gun control until total civil disarmament is achieved. Gun control is not working in Chicago. What\u2019s the answer? More gun control in surrounding states. When those states pass harsher gun laws and there\u2019s still violence, the answer is, of course, more gun control.<\/p>\n

As I reported last week, this is exactly what leaders are doing in Europe. The gun laws there are already insanely strict. But in light of the Paris attacks (which the existing laws failed to prevent), the EU is proposing even tougher gun laws<\/a>. It\u2019s insanity. Because it\u2019s doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cIf you ban guns, people with just find another way to kill each other or themselves.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cEven were people to attempt to kill others and themselves at the same rates if guns didn\u2019t exist, the death rate would still fall precipitously because people would be forced to rely on less lethal means such as knives. This is especially true regarding suicides.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> I\u2019m not a fan of the initial argument. While it\u2019s true, it doesn\u2019t cut to the heart of the matter which is that guns are a neutral object. In the hands of a good guy, it\u2019s a tool that can be used to save lives. In the hands of a miscreant, it can be used to wreak havoc.<\/p>\n

So, it\u2019s not really about the gun, but about who has it. Our goal should be to arm more good guys and keep guns away from criminals, the mentally ill and those with suicidal ideations. \u00a0It’s common sense. \u00a0But gun grabbers want to disarm everyone, not just those who are a danger to themselves and others.<\/p>\n

Besides, banning all firearms is a pipe dream. It won\u2019t happen. And if the government tried, there would be a revolution.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cGuns make us safer: Gun owners defend themselves against criminals all the time.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cThe best empirical evidence to date from the Gun Violence Archive could only find 1,600 verified defensive gun uses (DGUs) in 2014. This means that 99.936 percent of Kleck\u2019s claimed 2.5 million DGUs are nowhere to be found, despite Kleck\u2019s assertion that more than 50 percent of DGUs are reported to the police (meaning there should be a record of them).\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> A 2013 Centers for Disease Control study<\/a> stated the following on the subject of DGUs:<\/p>\n

Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It\u2019s impossible to track every DGU or instance where a good guy uses a gun to defend himself or herself. In fact, most media coverage only focuses on DGUs that involve shots actually being fired. But in many cases, no shots are fired and the mere presence of the gun is enough to prevent an incident.<\/p>\n

As researcher John Lott notes <\/a>in his book, \u201cMore Guns, Less Crime,\u201d since \u201cin many defensive cases a handgun is simply brandished, and no one is harmed, many defensive uses are never even reported to the police”.<\/p>\n

Given this reality, it\u2019s fair to say that the Gun Violence Archive\u2019s data is limited at best.<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cThe Paris attacks prove that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cIt isn\u2019t true that the only way to stop an attacker with a gun is to have a gun yourself. Here again the source is the FBI\u2019s report on active shootings, which shows that out of 160 incidents from 2000-2013, 21 were stopped by unarmed individuals.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> Yeah, for me, this is an issue of personal choice. Suppose you or someone you loved was in a Paris cafe during the attacks. Would you want to have the means to defend yourself? Would you want your loved one to have the means to defend himself or herself?<\/p>\n

Or, would you rather be unarmed? Would you rather have your loved one be unarmed?<\/p>\n

I know how I feel about those questions. But to each his own. Who knows, maybe the authors believe that they could have reasoned with the Paris shooters and got them to put down their firearms. After all, it\u2019s worked 21 times in the past. Maybe it would have worked on them too. (Highly doubtful!!!)<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cMore guns mean less crime. States with the fewest guns have the most crime.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace: <\/strong>“The research suggesting more guns equals less crime has been thoroughly discredited.”<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> I wrote this last year<\/a> and it still holds true:<\/p>\n

In examining crime and gun ownership data from 2006 to 2011 in Virginia, Thomas R. Baker a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University found a negative relationship between gun sales, which increased 73 percent over those five years and gun-related violent crimes, which fell by 24 percent over the same period.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhile there is a wealth of academic literature attempting to demonstrate the relationship between guns and crime, a very simple and intuitive demonstration of the numbers seems to point away from the premise that more guns leads to more crime, at least in Virginia,\u201d Baker, a criminologist, told the Richmond Times-Dispatch in 2012.<\/p>\n

He went on to say that \u201cwhile it\u2019s difficult to make a direct causal link [that more guns are resulting in less crime], the numbers certainly present that that\u2019s a real possibility.\u201d<\/p>\n

What is plainly obvious, however, is that the opposite is not true. That is more guns do not create more crime.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s mathematically not possible, because the relationship is a negative relationship \u2013 they\u2019re moving in the opposite direction,\u201d Baker said. \u201cSo the only thing it could be is that more guns are causing less crime.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cFrom my personal point of view, I would say the data is pretty overwhelming,\u201d Baker added. \u201cBut we\u2019re pretty cautious in the social sciences in talking about causality. We only talk in probabilities.\u201d<\/p>\n

The argument: \u201cConcealed <\/strong>carry holders are more law-abiding than the average citizen.\u201d<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Excerpt from Trace:<\/strong> \u201cTo get a concealed carry license, gun owners must pass a background check. This means that concealed carry holders are, by definition, more law-abiding than the \u201caverage citizen,\u201d since the \u201caverage citizen\u201d includes violent criminals who can\u2019t pass background checks.\u201d<\/p>\n

My Rebuttal:<\/strong> With this response the authors were sort of arguing with themselves. Like they said, by definition, CCW holders are more law-abiding than the \u201caverage citizen.\u201d So, it\u2019s a factually true statement. I don\u2019t see what the problem is?<\/p>\n

They go on to suggest that since most CCW holders are middle-aged white men that a demographic comparison to a population of middle-aged white men without permits should be done to really determine whether CCW holders are more law-abiding.<\/p>\n

But again, because CCWs have to pass a background check I suspect that the bottom line finding would be the same: CCW holders are more law-abiding than the average citizen.<\/p>\n

Conclusion:<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Hopefully, my rebuttals have helped to give you some ammunition going into this holiday season. If you have anything you’d like to add to the debate, please do so in the comment section below! And happy debating!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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