{"id":36424,"date":"2015-05-31T13:55:09","date_gmt":"2015-05-31T17:55:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/?p=36424"},"modified":"2015-05-31T13:55:09","modified_gmt":"2023-08-18T16:46:20","slug":"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\/","title":{"rendered":"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_36427\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36427\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"size-large wp-image-36427\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1-1024x697.jpg\" alt=\"We tested the .40 S&amp;W Winchester Train and Defend in several different guns including this suppressed Glock.\" width=\"1024\" height=\"697\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1-1024x697.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1-150x102.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1-400x272.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-1.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-36427\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">We tested the .40 S&amp;W Winchester Train and Defend in several different guns including this suppressed Glock.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>One of the first questions I ask when testing a new product of any kind is \u201cWhat\u2019s different or unique about this?\u201d In the case of Winchester Train and Defend Ammunition, there are a few \u201cunique\u201d elements to consider.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-33818\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure-400x256.jpg\" alt=\"The Great GunsAmerica Ammo Adventure\" width=\"400\" height=\"256\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure-400x256.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure-150x96.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure-1024x656.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Great-GunsAmerica-Ammo-Adventure.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a>It\u2019s simple, especially for newer shooters. For practice, use the boxes marked Train. When you load your gun with self-defense ammo, use the boxes marked Defend. When we live this stuff day in and day out, it\u2019s easy to forget that newer shooters don\u2019t necessarily know the difference between practice and defense ammo. If you use defense ammo to practice, you\u2019ll spend a lot of money. If you use practice ammo for defense, it won\u2019t be nearly as effective.<\/p>\n<p>The two variants, Train, and Defend are designed to act and feel similar. The Defend ammo has premium expanding projectiles and low-flash powder, while the Train version does not. However, the weight of the bullets and associated recoil feeling are similar &#8211; by design. Your defense ammo will behave in your gun just like the practice stuff you take to the range.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s standard pressure ammo, not jacked up +P+Infinity+ stuff. The reason is for controllability. Recoil is less and muzzle flip is\u00a0minimized, allowing the shooter to make accurate hits and faster follow up shots.<\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s what\u2019s supposed to be different about Winchester\u2019s Train and Defend, so is it? Let\u2019s take a look a the .40 S&amp;W loading to see.<\/p>\n<h2>Function<\/h2>\n<p>Like most brand name ammunition, reliable function was a non-issue. I fired it from three different .40 S&amp;W guns, a Beretta PX4, and FNS 40 and a Glock 22. Technically, it was a Glock 31 (.357 Sig) but I swapped out the barrel with a Lone Wolf .40 S&amp;W conversion barrel, essentially making this gun functionally identical to a Glock 22. For you techies, yes, the Lone Wolf has traditional rifling unlike the octagonal rifling in factory Glock barrels, but that won\u2019t make any significant difference in testing here.<\/p>\n<p>As expected, this ammo runs fine, at least in these two guns. Besides, most malfunctions are magazine and gun related anyway, so no big surprise here.<\/p>\n<h2>Velocity<\/h2>\n<p>I set up my Shooting Chrony Beta Master Chronograph 15 feet downrange and proceeded to clock some rounds. Here\u2019s what I found when I fired both the Train and Defend versions from a Glock 22.<\/p>\n<p>Winchester Train .40 S&amp;W Average velocity: 885.3 feet per second<\/p>\n<p>Winchester Defend .40 S&amp;W Average velocity: 907.7 feet per second<\/p>\n<h2>Accuracy<\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_36429\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36429\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-36429\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2-400x300.jpg\" alt=\"Accuracy was excellent from all three test guns.\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2-150x112.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-2.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-36429\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Accuracy was excellent from all three test guns.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>For accuracy, I mounted a Bushnell Elite 3500 Handgun scope\u00a0on all three handguns. How,\u00a0you ask? I used the UM Tactical Rail mount, which attaches to the Picatinny rail on a semi-automatic pistol and wraps around the slide. This provides\u00a0a scope mounting platform up top that does not interfere with the semi-auto cycling of the slide. It\u2019s a really cool solution. The Bushnell Elite 3500 provides up 2x to 6x magnification with plenty of eye relief. This setup allows me to obtain very precise sight pictures at 25 yards, even with my failing eyesight. Yes, I still have to do my part and manage the trigger, but fixing the sight picture takes most of the human error element out of the equation. I used sandbags stabilized by a 25-pound bag of lead shot to provide a solid shooting platform on a sturdy wooden bench.<\/p>\n<p>I fired 5-shot groups and measured best three shots to factor out some of the human error.<\/p>\n<p>Winchester Train, Beretta PX4: 1.8\u201d<br \/>\nWinchester Train, FNS 40: 1.6\u201d<br \/>\nWinchester Defend, Beretta PX4: 2.1\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>Penetration<\/h2>\n<p>For the five rounds fired through the four-layer FBI fabric and into the gelatin blocks, penetration was excellent.<\/p>\n<p>1: 14\u201d<br \/>\n2: 15\u201d<br \/>\n3-5: 16+\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I used Clear Ballistics gelatin blocks with old kevlar vest as a backstop. Three of the rounds barely exited the block and were stopped by the vest. They did not appear to have enough velocity to do much at that point, so if I had to assume, they might have stopped on their own accord in 17 inches or so of ballistic gelatin.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_36430\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36430\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"size-large wp-image-36430\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"Penetration was excellent ranging from 14 to 17 inches.\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3-150x112.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-3.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-36430\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Penetration was excellent ranging from 14 to 17 inches.<\/p><\/div>\n<h2>Expansion<\/h2>\n<p>To be honest, as these are standard pressure rounds at the full 180-grain weight, I was not sure that I would see both excellent penetration and consistent expansion. I was pleasantly surprised. After passing through four layers of the FBI fabric, one of which is denim, all rounds expanded in picture perfect fashion. As you can see from the photos, not too little and certainly not too much. You couldn\u2019t ask more from this very controllable round.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_36431\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36431\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"size-large wp-image-36431\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"Bullets started to expand immediately after entering the gel block.\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4-150x112.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-4.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-36431\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bullets started to expand immediately after entering the gel block.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>A visual inspection didn\u2019t show any obvious core and jacket separation, so I weighed each of the five recovered bullets. I also measured the maximum diameter of each to get a better idea of how much they expanded from the original .400 inch diameter.<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019ll see that a couple of recovered projectiles weighed more than the original 180-grain weight. That\u2019s because they picked up some bits of fabric while passing through, and I could not have removed it all without altering the shape of the expanded bullet.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_36432\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"ammo-test-winchester-train-and-defend-40-sw\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36432\" title=\"Ammo Test: Winchester Train and Defend .40 S&amp;W\" class=\"size-large wp-image-36432\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"Expansion was picture perfect, even after bullets passed through four layers of fabric.\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5-150x112.jpg 150w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Winchester-Train-and-Defend-5.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-36432\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Expansion was picture perfect, even after bullets passed through four layers of fabric.<\/p><\/div>\n<h2>Closing Arguments<\/h2>\n<p>This particular load really surprised me, and here\u2019s why. Velocity makes a big difference when it comes to reliable and consistent expansion through cloth barriers. Lighter weight .40 S&amp;W projectiles cook along at a pretty good clip, but because of that pesky physics stuff, the upper end of the weight scale 180 grainers aren\u2019t moving all that fast. Additionally, this particular load is standard pressure, so velocity is just over 900 feet per second from an \u201caverage\u201d handgun. Yet, expansion was picture perfect and penetration was right where we wanted to see it. That tells me that a lot of effort went into the design of this .40 caliber projectile. It opens easily enough to expand at low(er) velocity, but not so much as to limit penetration performance. Consider me impressed!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Winchester&#8217;s Train and Defend line is a concept long overdue. Use range ammo to train, but carry the good stuff. And both are the same grain weight. 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