{"id":196314,"date":"2024-10-20T10:12:57","date_gmt":"2024-10-20T15:12:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/?p=196314"},"modified":"2026-01-02T05:25:49","modified_gmt":"2026-01-02T11:25:49","slug":"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\/","title":{"rendered":"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-yoast-seo-estimated-reading-time yoast-reading-time__wrapper\"><span class=\"yoast-reading-time__icon\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-icon=\"clock\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" fill=\"none\" stroke=\"currentColor\" style=\"display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.1em\" role=\"img\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\"><path stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\" stroke-width=\"2\" d=\"M12 8v4l3 3m6-3a9 9 0 11-18 0 9 9 0 0118 0z\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"yoast-reading-time__spacer\" style=\"display:inline-block;width:1em\"><\/span><span class=\"yoast-reading-time__descriptive-text\">Estimated reading time: <\/span><span class=\"yoast-reading-time__reading-time\">9<\/span><span class=\"yoast-reading-time__time-unit\"> minutes<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Red Dot Sights (RDS) are commonly used as the primary sights by professionals and self-defense shooters. Modern dot sights are reliable and rugged, but not infallible. What do you do when they fail?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSsigTarget.jpg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196315\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSsigTarget.jpg 640w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSsigTarget-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSsigTarget-150x113.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">SIG P320 with a Romeo 2 and SIG suppressor height sights. Notice how the RDS housing lines the barrel up for a center hit with or without the dot. Put the &#8220;man on TV&#8221;.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-yoast-seo-table-of-contents yoast-table-of-contents\"><h2>Table of contents<\/h2><ul><li><a href=\"#h-back-up-iron-sights\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Back-Up Iron Sights<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-finding-the-dot-in-your-rds\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Finding the Dot In Your RDS<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-excessive-marksmanship\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Excessive Marksmanship<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-what-could-go-wrong\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">What Could Go Wrong<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-preventative-maintenance-on-rds\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Preventative Maintenance On RDS<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-solving-problems\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Solving Problems<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-rds-failure-techniques\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">RDS Failure Techniques<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-some-extra-pictures\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Some Extra Pictures<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#h-conclusion\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-level=\"2\">Conclusion<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-back-up-iron-sights\">Back-Up Iron Sights<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The internet says that BUIS are critical because that is how you must aim when the <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/full-review-meet-the-new-burris-fastfire-e\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" data-wpil-monitor-id=\"2331\">red dot<\/a> fails. The reality is a little more nuanced. BUIS are only useful under some minimal circumstances:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol style=\"list-style-type:lower-alpha\" class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>If you lose your dot&#8230;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>And your lens is not obscured or broken\u2026<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>And you are more than ten yards from the target (your distance may vary).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>I have used and taught others to use RDS for over ten years. In that time, we have evolved, and best practices have changed. I remember practicing dot acquisition in an RDS transition class at three yards. If I didn\u2019t see the dot, I instinctively shot anyway and hit. At first, I felt like I was cheating the drill, (I was). After a little thought, I realized that I needed to dry fire more presentations and more importantly, if I can use an alternative aiming technique, dot failure drills don\u2019t require iron sights.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-finding-the-dot-in-your-rds\">Finding the Dot In Your RDS<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Some instructors still teach using iron sights to find your dot. This technique makes sense to old iron sight shooters, but it negates the key advantage of the RDS, target focus. The solution to finding the dot is perfecting your presentation so that the dot is consistently placed between the eye and the target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dots are fast and accurate. This makes low-light engagements and moving targets child\u2019s play. They compensate for a number of vision issues and focus eyes on the target for more natural threat identification. Iron sights are primitive alignment tools to index your bore with your target. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you are attacked, excessive marksmanship can cause bleeding if the bad guy gets the first hit. RDS makes things easier, but you still must index the barrel on the target and press the trigger without moving the barrel. Time spent looking for your dot is time wasted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-excessive-marksmanship\">Excessive Marksmanship<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>If you need to shoot, speed is life. You need a fast way to point the gun. Marksmanship is a continuum. Small or distant targets require precision, and large or close targets require only rough alignment. Mike Ox (Red Dot Mastery) teaches a useful framework of four aiming speeds:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol style=\"list-style-type:lower-alpha\" class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Kinesthetic- Point the gun without seeing the sights (retention or contact shooting)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Frame on Target- Very rough alignment using the back plate and housing of the RDS<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Sight on Target- The dot is seen in the window on an acceptable area of the target<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Spot on Target- The dot is precisely placed on a spot on the target<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>If you have a working RDS, you have options. If you can see the dot anywhere in the window anywhere on the target, you can take the shot, but what if you don\u2019t see a dot?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-what-could-go-wrong\">What Could Go Wrong<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Let me start by saying that I have had more iron sights fail (front sight came off) than RDS failures. Most of the dot failures I have seen in class were caused by shooter errors and improper maintenance. What goes wrong?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol style=\"list-style-type:lower-alpha\" class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Dot is not turned on, battery dead, brightness set too low, improper presentation. (These are the most common failures. All completely preventable.)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Front window obscured- ie. mud on the front glass, you can still see the dot with one eye and the target with the other. You should be able to hit the target. <a>You can simulate this with blue painter&#8217;s tape covering the front of the RDS<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Rear window blocked or broken- <a>This obscures the dot and renders BUIS useless. You can simulate this with blue painter\u2019s tape covering the back of the RDS<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Condensation or water droplets- This obscures the dot and renders BUIS useless for the first shot, it clears itself. You can simulate this by spraying water in a mist on the optic.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>RDS falls off- The RDS is slammed around with thousands of G\u2019s. Proper installation is critical to keeping your RDS attached and zeroed.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-preventative-maintenance-on-rds\">Preventative Maintenance On RDS<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>If you want to enjoy the many advantages of RDS (speed, accuracy, low-light, target-focused shooting, etc.), the first step is to keep the dot shiny so you can always see it. You must commit to training and maintenance. This is not hard or extremely time-consuming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol style=\"list-style-type:lower-alpha\" class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Make sure that your RDS is properly installed with the correct torque, quality screws, and thread locker<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Every time you put on your holster, check your sights and lights.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A clean RDS is a happy RDS- Use canned air or Optic cleaning tools to clean.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Antifog Treatments like Rain-X or Cat Crap avoid problems and protect optics.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Check your zero regularly!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Change your Batteries- no matter what your battery life is, change once a year on your birthday.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-solving-problems\">Solving Problems<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Despite your conscientious preparation, you will one day present your RDS-equipped <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/firearms\/handguns\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\">handgun<\/a> only to find the dot missing. With a little thought and training, you can press on through the challenge and engage the threat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To carry a dot for self-defense, you need to put in the repetitions to refine your presentation to consistently put the dot between your eye and the target. That said, under the stress of an actual threat, if for any reason you don\u2019t see the dot, you need an instant plan B that you have practiced. Searching for the dot in a fight is not the right answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We listed the possible reasons for dot failure, but in a fight, diagnosis of the cause wastes critical time. You need an immediate action drill that puts rounds on target no matter what the cause. You can figure that out later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Closer than 3 yards, proprioception (pointing) can point the gun just fine without even looking. We have taught retention and contact shooting for years. Out to 10 yards, you don\u2019t need iron sights \u2014 you need an alternative sighting method.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-rds-failure-techniques\">RDS Failure Techniques<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>These methods are effective, but you may hate some and love others. Pick a couple you like and train with them. Dry fire goes a long way here, but you should confirm with live fire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"248\" height=\"278\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSmanonTV.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196515\" style=\"width:838px;height:auto\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSmanonTV.jpeg 248w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSmanonTV-134x150.jpeg 134w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 248px) 100vw, 248px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Guillotine- The name comes from the curve on top of a Trijicon RMR. The top of the optic (i.e. guillotine) is held at the target&#8217;s neck putting the window on the chest.&nbsp; If the window appears smaller than the chest, the target is in range for this technique.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Man on TV- This is similar to Guillotine. You look through the body of the optic to line up the front and rear windows of the RDS. barrel. This works best with closed RDS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScrowning.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196648\" title=\"3 Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScrowning.jpeg 640w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScrowning-400x300.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScrowning-150x113.jpeg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The Crown- Used for headshots, the top of the optic sits on the target\u2019s head like a crown. It is a little hard to see in this picture, the optic covers the target&#8217;s head and the top of the optic forms a crown (or owl&#8217;s horns with the Trijicon RMR) on top of the target&#8217;s head. If the window is obscured, you may have to hold a little lower to see the top of the target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-some-extra-pictures\">Some Extra Pictures<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"212\" height=\"438\" data-id=\"196523\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSpaintdot-3.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196523\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSpaintdot-3.jpeg 212w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSpaintdot-3-145x300.jpeg 145w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSpaintdot-3-73x150.jpeg 73w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 212px) 100vw, 212px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A dot drawn with paint pen on the back of the RDS can be used as an aiming point. This is faster than BUIS and very accurate.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"293\" height=\"564\" data-id=\"196520\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSline-1-e1704661583281.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196520\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSline-1-e1704661583281.jpeg 293w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSline-1-e1704661583281-156x300.jpeg 156w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSline-1-e1704661583281-78x150.jpeg 78w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 293px) 100vw, 293px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A paint pen line on top of the RDS provides a reference to level the gun. If you can see the line, push the muzzle down until it disappears. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Stripe and Dot- Use a paint pen to put a stripe on top of the optic and a dot on the back. This is almost as effective as BUIS for lining up the pistol and target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"338\" height=\"453\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScornerofslide.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196529\" style=\"width:838px;height:auto\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScornerofslide.jpeg 338w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScornerofslide-224x300.jpeg 224w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDScornerofslide-112x150.jpeg 112w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 338px) 100vw, 338px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Aiming along the slide- The corner of the slide or the line where the slide meets the frame can be used to line up the barrel. Rotate your pistol toward your centerline to bring the corner of the slide into your sightline.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"190\" height=\"221\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSlineof-slide.jpeg\" alt=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" class=\"wp-image-196527\" style=\"width:839px;height:auto\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSlineof-slide.jpeg 190w, https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/RDSlineof-slide-129x150.jpeg 129w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 190px) 100vw, 190px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">If you can&#8217;t see the corner of the slide clearly, you can use the grove between the slide and the frame as a line to orient the barrel towards the target.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>For most shooters, these techniques will work out to 10 yards. You may have different results. Try this on the range before you expect to use it on the street.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>READ MORE: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/sig-sauer-echo-sv50-lrf-a-game-changer-in-thermal-optics\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\">SIG Sauer ECHO SV50 LRF : A Game-Changer in Thermal Optics<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past 10 yards is where the BUIS are worth the cost. If they are zeroed, and you can see through the optic, they should take care of business. If you are that far away, you have options.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-conclusion\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Using any sighting method requires a good zero and practice to work under stress. Spend some time in dry practice with your RDS, BUIS and alternative aiming methods, then go to the range and see where the holes are in the paper. You should work in a few RDS failure drills in each range session. The confidence that you can handle the worst-case scenario is priceless. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left\" style=\"font-size:24px\"><strong><em>*** <a href=\"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"clickTracking\" campaign=\"handgun-rds-failure-no-dot-no-problem\" title=\"Handgun RDS Failure? No Dot, No Problem\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica!<\/a> ***<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Red Dot Sights (RDS) are commonly used as the primary sights by professionals and self-defense shooters. Modern dot sights are reliable and rugged, but not infallible. 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