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\"The
Dual wield P365 with drum mags? The only way to do a shoot off.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Some of you may recall the glowing review I had on the very first P365 featured on Guns America Digest<\/a>, a little over two years ago. I called it things like a \u201cparadigm shift\u201d and the first \u201cfull sized gun replacement in a micro package\u201d that I had ever seen. It was so good that I sent SIG a check instead of the gun back. So, why have I been notably silent on the P365XL?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
A challenger rises<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Because I was very concerned that SIG screwed it up. I saw the pictures and was immediately convinced that they ruined my baby. I have seen other companies walk down this road with disastrous results. It starts with an awesome CCW sized gun. Then some rocket surgeon decides that it would shoot a little better with a slightly longer barrel. Then it is pointed out that a little bigger grip would feel better. And the next thing you know, you have a \u201cCCW\u201d gun that is the size of a Government Model 1911, which absolutely defeats the purpose. So when review time came around on the XL model, I gave it a hard pass. I was very happy with my normal-sized P365 and I wanted nothing to do with an abomination. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Clash of the titans<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Then a couple of months passed, and I happened to see an XL model in the shop at Hawktech Arms here in Boise. And to prove how right I was, I decided to pick the monster up and hold it. And then something bad happened. The XL wasn\u2019t an abomination. In fact, I kinda liked it. Which is easy to do when you don\u2019t have to conceal something. But, the bug was in me. Could this new, slightly larger model hold up in a CCW role? Despite being bitten in the past, I had to find out. So I got one, got some gun leather, and started carrying it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Grip length difference<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Now I fully expected to hate the XL as a carry gun. I\nfigured I would carry it for a week or so, it would pinch and poke and\ngenerally be a pain in the ass, and then it could be my night stand gun with a flashlight\nso that Regular P365 could rest and get some sleep too. But something weird\nhappened. Even with the XL being bigger, and even with the XL having a red dot\non top, I noticed ZERO difference in carrying it. I switched from a CrossBreed\nReckoning to a new holster I had not tried from Crucial Concealment<\/a>, to see if that\nmattered. I started switching carry every other day, P365 to P365XL, to see if\nI would notice then. I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Barrel length difference<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Which is pretty weird. The XL model is .8 inches longer, as\nwell as the additional height and bulk of the optic. That should have made an\nimpact, but it would seem some magic dust got mixed in by the engineering\ndepartment. Which then leads to another problem. If the XL model carried just\nas well, could it possibly be a better gun than the regular P365? Heresy I say!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
XL Grip length vs Original with 12 round mag inserted <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

So, I took them both out to the range for a good old shoot off. And having now done that, the easiest way to compare the two is feature by feature to see what has changed. And what that means. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Subtle, but a difference no less.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In addition to the slide and barrel length difference, the XL\nalso has a longer grip. AHA, Gotcha you say? They did screw with the size!\nWell, kind of. The grip length of the XL with a flush fit 12 round magazine is the\nsame as the P365 grip with extended 12 round magazine in it. The original 12 rounders\nhave a sleeve on the magazine that makes the entire grip feel longer. And full\nconfession, I haven\u2019t carried my P365 without a 12 rounder since I got it. I\u2019m\nguessing a lot of you haven\u2019t either. Sig noticed this trend, and just expanded\nthe grip to match our desire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
XL on bottom with distinct beaver tail addition<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

And in this case, the same size isn\u2019t really equal. With the original 365, I did notice a trend over two years of training with it. Occasionally, due to where the seam is between magazine and gun, when I dropped an empty it would catch my palm. Not a huge deal, but it did slow down the reload. And sometimes that same seam would give me a little pinch as I slammed a new one home. Again, not the end of the world, and something I would gladly trade for 12 rounds in the gun in a gunfight. But, now that I have had XL in my life, I don\u2019t want to go back. Did I mention that the XL has a flared magwell, which further speeds reload time? And a slightly extended beavertail built into the frame? Damn you, Sig. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
XL flat trigger<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The XL is an X Series weapon, which means it has a flat trigger. The original P365 trigger is curved, a more traditional look. In shooting them side by side, I notice zero difference in application. Both are excellent, and I would call them perfect equals. But on a purely aesthetic note, the flat trigger does look better. Point XL again. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Original curved trigger<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

When it comes to sighting systems, this is a huge gain for the XL. The XL is both cut for an electronic sight, and most of them come out of the box with a SIG Romeo Zero installed. Sig\u2019s website shows iron-sighted XL models, but I have yet to see one in the wild. I consider at least the option to use an electronic sight a huge win. But, how does it hold up you ask?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Romeo Zero factory installed<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

I had the same thought. Since the Romeo Zero is also a new\nsight, it needed to do some proving. To save battery life, the Romeo Zero\nfeatures a shake awake technology. If you set it down, the dot turns off after\n5 minutes to save battery power. But the moment it senses movement, the dot\nsnaps back on. From a stupid amount of times snatching it off the table, I have\nnot once beat the dot to life before it gets to my eye. My sight is on its\noriginal battery, which is 3 months old, 2 months of that carrying daily. It is\nless than ideal that the optic has to come off to switch the battery, but 2\nmonths plus makes that a bit more palatable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Functional rear sight cut into optic<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Should that battery die when you need it, the sight also has\na cut in rear sight channel. Combined with the XRAY 3 tritium front, the same\nas the original P365, and your bases are covered.   <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Red dot is daylight bright and then some<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Accessories are always a concern when buying a new gun, so\nhow does that shake out? If the Original P365 has an advantage, it is minor. Almost\neveryone now builds an XL version of their holster. ProMag is making aftermarket\ndrums for the 365 family, and they include inserts to flush fit either size.\nEven SIG pulled a slick one when it comes to magazines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
30 and 50 round drums by ProMag<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Right around the same time as the XL was introduced, so were\n15 round magazines. And they include a sleeve to fit either size too. But what\nabout those of us that bought a gaggle of 12 round mags for the original gun?\nYes, they can be converted. After I did the video segment of this review, I found\nthe Sig replacement floor plate that switches them over. So\nfor $4.99, all<\/a> your old 12s will fit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
15 round mag in the XL
<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
\"The
Not quite perfect flush fit, but you don’t notice while shooting.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Performance-wise? How about that? Well, even shooting the two side by side it is hard to tell a difference. They both handle like a bigger gun, which I mean as a high compliment. They are both capable of slinging it fast up close. But at range, I did notice a predictable difference. At around 40 yards, the P365 will still make hits easily enough. But I did drop one shot. And the red dot equipped XL makes that range easy. I dropped no shots with it, even firing at a faster pace. So I have to give the edge once again to the XL model.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

\"The
Hornady XTP, my choice when accuracy matters.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

So it\u2019s a tough race. I am going to have to concede that at least for me, the P365XL is the better choice. It conceals just as well, and those added features matter just enough. But the original P365 does still have advantages. The smaller size (especially with 10 round mags) may make a difference to you, and how you conceal. And it is still a very capable and easy to shoot blaster. And I promise to do this again next year if Sig makes an XXL. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
Original P365 with 15 round magazine<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
\"The
12 Round original P365 magazines require a new floor plate to fit.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
\"The
Or some dremell work on this lip.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

For more information\u00a0visit Sig Sauer website<\/a>.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica!<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/h2>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

When review time came around on the XL model, I gave it a hard pass. I was very happy with my normal-sized P365 and I wanted nothing to do with an abomination. But could this new, slightly larger model hold up in a CCW role? Despite being bitten in the past, I had to find out. 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