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\"Real
If movies are to be believed (they shouldn\u2019t), then every street corner youth gang is tearing about the neighborhood armed with state of the art military weaponry. Reality is that actual criminal use of machineguns in America is and always has been vanishingly rare. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

If you shape your worldview at the local cineplex, and, distressingly, many do, then you might expect gangs of bank robbers wielding full auto HK G36 assault rifles to be lurking behind every parking meter in whatever little metropolis you call home. However, I have it on reliable information that movies are not technically real. The reality, by contrast, paints a very different picture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Rare professional criminals like John Dillinger with his Thompson and Clyde Barrow with his BAR had an outsized influence on American culture. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Automatic weapons (not to\nbe confused with \u201csemiautomatic assault weapons,\u201d whatever they actually are)\nhave been heavily regulated in the United States since 1934. Thompson\nsubmachine guns and Browning Automatic Rifles were really the only automatic\nweapons in circulation back then, and they were used precious few times in\nactual crimes. However, then as now blood and sex sell newspapers, so the\npublic became convinced that machinegun-related crime was an existential threat\nto our American way of life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The Constitution is actually fairly specific about the limited powers granted to the US Congress. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

As a result, legislators did what legislators do. Interestingly, back in 1934 lawmakers actually read the document they were sworn to support and defend. They appreciated that they lacked the constitutional power to ban anything. What they subsequently did was to simply tax machineguns out of existence. As $200 in 1934 is about $3,000 today, levying a $200 tax on the transfer of machineguns effectively shut down commerce in these items.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Transferable machineguns are now insanely expensive. This cherry example of a Colt M16A1 is listed at $28k. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Now fast forward to the 1980s and $200 was not the lofty sum it once was. Private ownership of automatic weapons, therefore, began to accumulate a proper following. In 1986 a Democratically-controlled congress slipped the Hughes Amendment into the ironically-titled Firearms Owners Protection Act. President Reagan daftly signed the thing, and the new production of automatic weapons for sale to civilians was gone never to return. Resulting market forces pushed prices of transferable automatic weapons into the stratosphere. The M16 I bought for $600 in 1987 would cost twenty grand to replace today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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There was a time in America when legal machineguns were both plentiful and cheap. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

As of 2016, the BATF reported that there were 175,977 transferable automatic weapons in the National Firearms Registry and Transfer Record. A few of these guns are still in Law Enforcement arms rooms or museums, but most of them are owned by folks like us. Since 1934 there have been two cases wherein the legal owner of a registered machinegun committed a crime with his weapon. Only one is well documented.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Shooter<\/h4>\n\n\n\n
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Officer Roger Waller ran a gun shop, served with the Dayton Police Department, and was a fixture among the local paintball set. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In 1988 Roger Waller was a\nthirteen-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio, police department. He also owned a gun\nshop and was active in paintball. His Law Enforcement job was to manage the\nDrug Hotline Volunteer Program. His duties included training and scheduling\nvolunteers to man a telephone hotline wherein local citizens could call in tips\nabout suspected drug dealers. Officer Waller would correlate the information\nand occasionally travel to the locations reported to observe for evidence of\ntrafficking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The war on drugs has cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

If Officer Waller saw\nsomething suspicious his mandate was to report it for further investigation.\nWaller was not to speak with anyone at these locations or attempt to buy drugs.\nThough he carried a 9mm handgun, Officer Waller\u2019s duties were administrative in\nnature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wow, Just Wow<\/h4>\n\n\n\n
\"Real
This sordid episode began with the installation of a new furnace in a police officer\u2019s home. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

On September 15th<\/sup> 1988, Officer Waller was spending his day off having a new furnace installed by an HVAC specialist named Dennis Michael. Waller told Michael that he was a police officer who investigated drug dealers. Michael informed Waller that there was a house in his neighborhood that he suspected of harboring drug activity. Once the furnace was installed Waller and Michael drove to Michael\u2019s neighborhood for a look-see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
For whatever reason, Officer Waller was packing his legally-registered MAC-11 submachine gun on the day he and a buddy embarked on his little off-duty counter-drug operation. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Despite being off duty,\nWaller carried his 9mm service pistol and badge along with his legally\nregistered .380ACP MAC-11 submachine gun in a shoulder holster. His new buddy\nthe furnace installer also brought along a shotgun. Once Michael identified the\ndwelling the two men kept it under surveillance for about half an hour.\nObserving nothing out of the ordinary Officer Waller announced that he had\n\u201cdecided to go down and try to make a buy at the door.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
Officer Waller identified himself as Law Enforcement as he approached the suspected drug dealer\u2019s home. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

As he approached the home\na young girl emerged. Waller flashed his badge and advised her to leave as he\n\u201cwas going to bust this house.\u201d Waller then walked to the screen door and\naddressed the two men inside.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Crack cocaine was a scourge across the country in the 1980s. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Lawrence Eugene Hileman\nand Jerry L. Smith were inside the home. When Officer Waller announced that he\nwas there to buy crack cocaine Hileman and Smith laughed. They then invited\nWaller and Michael inside stating that they didn\u2019t sell crack cocaine. Waller\nand Michael entered the house and Waller identified himself as \u201cdrug\nenforcement.\u201d Officer Waller then announced, \u201cYou know, somebody is going to go\nto jail here if we don\u2019t find out where the drugs are.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
At close range, the MAC-series submachine guns are undeniably effective. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The details are fuzzy, but\nat this point apparently something bad happened. Officer Waller shot Hileman in\nthe chest with a long burst from his submachine gun. Waller later claimed it\nwas an accident, but I read that the guy was hit thirty times. Dennis Michael,\nthe furnace repairman, then shot Jerry Smith twice with his shotgun. Hileman\ndied in short order. Smith was grievously wounded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Gun<\/h4>\n\n\n\n
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Gordon Ingram (center) mastered the art of combining modern mass-production techniques with a simple and reliable submachine gun design. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Gordon Ingram was born in California in 1924. A World War 2 veteran, he returned home from the war and began the design of his first submachine gun. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The M6 was Gordon Ingram\u2019s first successful SMG. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The result, the Ingram Model 6, was a .45ACP weapon built around a tubular receiver. The Model 6 was designed as an inexpensive replacement for the Thompson that was both heavy and spendy to produce. The Model 6 was available with either a horizontal or vertical foregrip and included a novel fire selector in the trigger, not unlike that of the Steyr AUG. A short pull produced semiauto fire, while a long pull produced full auto. Alas, in 1949 the world was awash in submachine guns, so after a run of 20,000 copies, the Model 6 died a natural death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The M10 was Gordon Ingram\u2019s most popular design. This one is chambered for 9mm Parabellum. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In 1964 Ingram designed\nhis masterpiece. The M10 submachine gun was available in either 9mm or .45ACP\nchamberings and was produced predominantly via steel stampings. These guns were\nless than a foot long with their flimsy wire stocks retracted and weighed 6.26\npounds. However, the M10\u2019s diminutive dimensions produced an abbreviated bolt\ntravel and subsequent breathtaking rate of fire in excess of 1,000 rpm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
Mitch WerBell III was an undeniably larger than life character. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In 1969 Ingram joined\nSIONICS, an American arms-producing company founded by the flamboyant former\nOSS\/CIA officer Mitch Werbell III. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The M10 was designed from the outset to be used with a sound suppressor. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

SIONICS\nstood for \u201cStudies in the Operational Negation of Insurgents and\nCounter-Subversion.\u201d This has got to be the coolest acronym ever contrived by\nman. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
WerBell\u2019s innovative two-stage suppressor design actually used tennis shoe eyelets in the first stage to help mitigate the gun\u2019s racket. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Ingram\njoined his tiny subgun to a novel two-stage sound suppressor designed by\nWerBell and proceeded to try to sell the combination to everybody in the free\nworld.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The .380ACP M11 (right) is a scaled-down version of the larger 9mm M10. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In\n1972 Ingram and WerBell, now under the mantle of the Military Armaments\nCorporation (MAC, the second coolest acronym in human history) released the\nM11. This was a scaled-down version of the M10 chambered in .380ACP. The M11 was\nnot much larger than a 1911 pistol and weighed a paltry 3.5 pounds. This spunky\nlittle bullet hose cycled at between 1,200 and 1,600 rpm and fed from either 16\nor 32-round magazines. This was the weapon Officer Waller used to kill the\nunfortunate Mr. Hileman. Though both guns are frequently referred to as either\nthe MAC-10 or MAC-11, this designation was never formally endorsed by the\ncompany.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How\nDo They Run?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n
\"Real
The tiny little 9mm M10 actually weighs about as much as an M16A1 rifle. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The\nM10 weighs almost as much as an M16A1, but it is undeniably compact. With a\nsound suppressor installed and the stock extended I can keep my bursts from a\n9mm M10 inside a paper plate at fifteen meters. Without the can and with the\nstock collapsed the gun looks undeniably cool but becomes an area weapon\nsystem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The .380ACP M11 isn\u2019t much larger than a 1911 pistol. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The\nM11 is more controllable, though trigger discipline becomes an even greater\nissue given the profligate rate of fire. You can actually hold a tuned M11\nsideways at head height, squeeze the trigger, and empty the gun before the\nfirst case hits the ground. That\u2019s a dandy parlor trick but doesn\u2019t have much\npractical application. Great care must be exercised with both guns in the\nabsence of a sound suppressor to avoid the errant inadvertent defingering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The\nRest of the Story<\/h4>\n\n\n\n
\"Real
WerBell and Ingram tried to sell their little submachine guns to the US Army as a replacement for the 1911 pistol. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Ingram and WerBell wanted desperately to convince Uncle Sam to replace all of his 1911 pistols with MAC submachine guns. The mind boggles at the number of shot-off digits that might litter military firing ranges today had they been successful. As it was they did sell a smattering around the globe at about $120 apiece back in the seventies but eventually gave up and quit. Semiauto variants of Ingram\u2019s guns are still in production today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
MAC submachine guns are designed for just such close-range across-the-room engagements. John Wayne debuted the diminutive little gun in his 1970\u2019s cop thriller McQ<\/em>. Mind that trigger finger, Duke. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Officer\nWaller and his furnace-installing civilian deputy Dennis Michael both pled\nguilty and were sentenced to eighteen years in prison. The deceased Mr. Hileman\nhad served as a past police drug informant and was indeed apparently a pretty\nvile guy. There were even rumors that Waller had killed him intentionally,\nperhaps as a contract hit. The details are lost to time. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
Converting semiauto weapons to full auto was legal in America before 1986. The tools required for such an enterprise are fairly simple. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Prior to 1986, anybody with $200 and a Dremel tool could file a BATF Form 1 and legally build a machinegun in their basement. 175,977 machineguns ended up in private hands under this system. With the exception of Officer Waller and one other guy, in 86 years nobody criminally misused any of those weapons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Real
The MAC submachine guns were studies in mechanical simplicity. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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