{"id":115992,"date":"2020-07-12T12:38:07","date_gmt":"2020-07-12T16:38:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gunsamerica.com\/digest\/?p=115992"},"modified":"2020-07-12T12:38:07","modified_gmt":"2023-09-06T04:25:46","slug":"traditions-gii-outfitter-in-45-70-govt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunsamerica.com\/digest\/traditions-gii-outfitter-in-45-70-govt\/","title":{"rendered":"Traditions GII Outfitter in 45-70 Gov\u2019t"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

A Very Accurate Rifle, With a Questionable Optic<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

When the Traditions GII Outfitter, from Traditions\nPerformance Firearms, was introduced last year, it looked to me like it might\nbe the perfect rifle for the hunter who wanted a solid, safe firearm but didn\u2019t\nwant to spend two car payments on it.  And,\na good choice for the deer hunter who\u2019s in a stand the weekend of every hunting\nopener, but likely not much more. Not a hardcore type and gear junkie, but a\nhunter nonetheless who wants a dependable rifle without a huge money\ninvestment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And, the GII Outfitter was offered in straight-walled\ncartridges, so deer hunters could use it in those \u201cslug gun\u201d states like Ohio\nthat will allow centerfire rifles if they employ straight-walled rounds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
The Traditions GII Outfitter, from Traditions Performance Firearms, comes with a scope already mounted, as well as a deluxe rifle case. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The Outfitter GII features a simple, break-open\naction, fire one round at a time, features a synthetic stock and comes with a\nTraditions scope already mounted. I requested one for review in 45-70 Gov\u2019t. Simple,\nfunction, ready to hit the field. What could go wrong?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
The simple, safe break-open action on the Traditions GII Outfitter is extremely functional and dependable. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The scope, it turns out.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is a quality and very accurate rifle but is\nhindered by a poor-quality scope. My suggestion? Buy the GII without the glass.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019ve reviewed rifle-and-scope packages before,\nand one thing I learned: never trust that the rings and bases are tight. I checked\nthe screws on the GII\u2019s rings and two were loose. So, I took off the scope,\ndiscovered the front screw holding the Picatinny rail to the receiver was also\nloose, re-tightened and reaffix everything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
McCombie took off the original rings and tightened the base and then the rings. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

At my shooting range, I had problems with the Tradition 3-9×40 scope right away.  Despite repeated cleaning of the lens and many adjustments to the eyepiece, the scope still presented a blurred target\u2014at 50 yards. Not terribly blurred, but not clear, either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Whatever I figured.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I started the zeroing process. And here I had to turn the scope\u2019s elevation and windage adjustments back and forth, back and forth, to get the reticle to move like it was supposed to move. Well, I told myself, that can happen with a new scope. No biggie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Once zeroed, the GII grouped three shots of\nFederal Premium under one inch. I was impressed with the rifle. The trigger\nbroke very cleanly, the hammer came back easily, and it appeared to be very accurate.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

At 100 yards accuracy testing, the scope and its inability to get the job done became very apparent. I couldn\u2019t get three-shot groups tighter than four inches.  The optic wouldn\u2019t stay anywhere near a consistent zero. The target was blurry, the rings kept loosening and the scope\u2019s adjustments just would not track.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I made a decision. I had a strong feeling the rifle itself was very accurate, but that it would never be fair to the rifle to keep the original scope. So, I switched scopes, and installed a Vortex Crossfire II 3-9×40<\/a> onto the GII, with Vortex rings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
McCombie replaced the original Traditions scope on his GII Outfitter with a Vortex 3-9×40 Crossfire II\u2014and the rifle\u2019s accuracy was proven to be MOA or better. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

At which point I found out that a single shot,\nbreak action rifle in 45-70 Gov\u2019t., sporting a 22-inch barrel Chromoly barrel,\ncan be a SUB-MOA rifle!  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

For ammunition in my 100 yards accuracy testing\nwith the GII rifle I used:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

—Barnes VOR-TX, 300-grain TSX-FN bullet<\/a>, muzzle velocity of 1,829 feet per second (fps);<\/p>\n\n\n\n

—Federal Premium Power-Shok<\/a>, 300-grain soft point, 1,768 fps muzzle velocity;<\/p>\n\n\n\n

—Hornady LEVERevolution<\/a>, 250-grain Monoflex bullet,  1,944 fps muzzle velocity.*<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I shot four, three-shot groups. My best single three-shot group came in at .875-inches with the Federal, followed by a 1.0-inch group with the Barnes. In both cases, two of the shots were touching. The Federal average right at 1.0-inches over the course of my shooting, the Barnes at 1.24-inches<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
McCombie\u2019s best single three-shot group came in at .875-inches with Federal Power-Shok in 45-70 Gov\u2019t. at 100 yards. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
\"Traditions
Barnes VOR-TX with a 300 grain, TSX-FN bullet, scored this nice 1.0-inch group. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

I couldn\u2019t get the same accuracy with the Hornady, but it still averaged 1.35-inches at 100 yards. That\u2019s a deer killer all day long.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
McCombie\u2019s \u201ccustomized\u201d GII Outfitter with a Vortex Crossfire scope added. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Recoil? Pretty stout. Even with the recoil pad\nand the muzzle brake, though it would be worse with that brake.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
The muzzle brake on the GII Outfitter helps reduce recoil, though the recoil is still significant. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

But I expected such recoil, given the round and that the GII is an in-line, big bore single shot. All that recoil must go somewhere, and in this case, it\u2019s pretty much right back into your shoulder.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The good news is, at 150 yards and under, you aren\u2019t\ngoing to need more than one shot on most deer, hogs and similar sized game, assuming\nyou do your part as a marksman.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Outfitter GII also features a patented Quick Detach Forend for easy takedown. It worked, as the name suggests, quickly and made cleaning the underside of the barrel and break action button very easy. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now, could I have just had a GII with an \u201coff optic?\nPossibly. I was, I must admit, in a time crunch to return the rifle and didn\u2019t\nhave time to re-order another rifle. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Traditions
Buy the base model GII\u2014hard pass on the scoped package, though. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

However, I\u2019ve used other Traditions scopes and, frankly,\nthey were not very good. And let\u2019s examine the price difference in the suggested\nretail between the GII scoped-package rifle, at $557.00, versus the GII in\n45-70 Gov\u2019t without the scope to $483.00. If you deduct $20 for the rings and\nrail and time to install the scope onto the package model, and that would mean\nthe Traditions scope essentially has a retail price of $54.00 ($537 minus costs\nof base, rings, labor, and then subtract the $483 base model cost).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Call me an optics snob if you want, but I have yet\nto see a $54 retail cost scope I would trust in the field. And, as with the\nTradition 3-9×40, they can\u2019t necessarily do the job in the stable confines of a\nshooting range, either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Outfitter GII is also available in .35 Whelen, 35 Rem, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, and 450 Bushmaster. This is a handy little rifle, easy to carry and pack, and will fit nicely in a hunting blind or tree stand. If you already own a decent scope? Buy the base model GII. Your accuracy and hunting success will be more than worth the time it takes to mount and zero the rifle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

**Velocities measured with a PACT Professional XP Chronograph, from Brownell\u2019s<\/a>, unit approximately six-feet from the rifle muzzle. Average of ten shots per ammunition brand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Specs: As Tested, Traditions Outfitter G2 Rifle, in .45-70 Gov\u2019t. with Traditions3-9×40 Scope<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Action:\nBreak Open<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Capacity:\nSingle Shot<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Barrel:\n22″ Chromoly Lothar Walther, Fluted<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Twist\nrate: 1:20\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Frame:\nSteel<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Finish:\nBlack CeraKote Finish on Barrel
\nLength: 38\u201d
\nWeight: 5.8 lbs (rifle only)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Stock\nand Forend: Synthetic
\nSafety: Transfer Bar System and Manual Trigger Block Safety
\n
\nSights: None. Receiver drilled and tapped for optic<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Misc: Barrel features 11-Degree Target Crown; patented quick-detach forend for an easy takedown; Deluxe gun case included.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

MSRP:\n$557.00<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For more information visit Traditions Firearms website<\/a><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica!<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/h2>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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