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Editor\u2019s Note: <\/strong>The following is a syndicated article by author Bob Campbell that first appeared in USCCA\u2019s Concealed Carry Magazine Volume 12, Issue 7 October 2015 under the title, \u201cCutting Distance: Knife Attacks and the Tueller Drill.\u201d <\/em> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

For many years,\npolice trainers considered the knife a second-rate tool and, perhaps more to\nthe point, a second-rate threat. These trainers ignored the experience of\nofficers in high-risk districts, not to mention the many knife scars borne by\nthose officers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The truth is that an edged weapon is as deadly a weapon as any at contact range. Knife attacks are different than your standard rough and tumble hand fight. A boxing match might leave bruises that heal. But knives leave permanent scars.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The knife was an\nimportant sidearm in the times of Jim Bowie, but as handguns became more\nreliable, the knife on the belt became smaller, relegated to backup status.\nJust the same, the modern shank might be buried up to Green River (an\nexpression that meant the blade would be buried to the Green River trademark on\nthe choil) with the same effect as back in the days of the Frontier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

By the 1960s, the\nknife was seldom addressed in police training, and edged weapon attacks were\nnot taken seriously. \u201cDon\u2019t bring a knife to a gunfight\u201d sounds good unless\nyour gun hand is pinned down as a razor flashes in the streetlights. A number\nof incidents in which officers were seriously injured at close quarters\ntroubled a respected peace officer and trainer named Dennis Tueller. He\nobserved that, although the knife was recognized as a lethal threat, officers\nfailed to bring the handgun to bear on a knife-wielding attacker as quickly as\nthey would a felon armed with a handgun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tueller found that\nwere a perpetrator to face an officer at 25 yards with a drawn handgun, the\nofficer would fire at the threat or at least draw down and prepare to fire. In\nsome cases, officers allowed perpetrators holding edged weapons to close to 10\nto 12 feet before drawing. Some were injured. Their rationale? They feared the\nshooting would be ruled unjustified if they fired on a felon at too great a\ndistance. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

The reactionary gap was too close, and the adversary could close the distance and inflict serious injury or death before the officer could draw and fire. While Tueller knew this to be true, he needed to design a drill that could clearly demonstrate this fault in training. He set out to determine the distance at which an officer should draw his handgun to engage the threat. The generally agreed upon distance was 21 feet, which is the average gunfight distance. (Percentages are not comforting to the man drowning in a stream with an average depth of 2 feet.) Tueller published his findings in 1983.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Role players posing\nas officers and knife-armed assailants set the scenario, and it was discovered\nthat even elderly, out-of-shape or obese individuals could close 21 feet in\nabout 1.5 seconds. (As many of you know, conditioning and endurance only begin\nto matter as distance increases.) Again, this rang true as 1.5 seconds is\nanother training standard: An officer or concealed carry handgunner should be\nable to draw, fire and get a center hit on a man-sized target at 10 yards in\n1.5 seconds. The Tueller Drill demonstrated that an assailant armed with a\nknife could begin running toward an individual armed with a handgun at 21 feet\nand that only highly practiced individuals could draw and engage before the\nknife-armed threat closed and inflicted serious injury.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This drill will\ndefeat many who are out of shape or out of practice; it is ridiculous to assume\nthat you will rise to the occasion to deal with such a threat. As a trainer, I\ndeal with individuals on a weekly basis that rely upon skills they cannot\ndemonstrate. Do not be among them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

 You are not expected to precisely measure the\ndistance, but since many of us train on carefully marked ranges, seven yards is\neasily recognized. The best answer to an edged weapon attack, providing there\nis sufficient time and distance, is to draw and move to cover. (St. Augustine\ntold us space and time are the same, and I agree: Both are priceless.) An\nadversary with a firearm might blast your cover, but an adversary with an edged\ntool loses every advantage. (This rule also applies to impact weapons, such as\na ball bat or other club.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The problem is that\nwhen an attacker is armed with a knife, a concealed carry permit holder must\nact extremely quickly. An officer arriving on a call should be alert to the\nthreat and might be better able to maintain distance. While there is always an\nexception, a peace officer has a greater advantage than the private citizen in\nmost cases. A citizen will be carrying concealed rather than openly on a duty\nbelt, which results in a slower draw. The knife might be part of a robbery\nattempt or a personal attack. The distance will be close. The adversary might\nclose with the victim before drawing the knife. As such, drawing against a\nknife in the hand is at least as dangerous as drawing against a loaded gun. You\nmust practice not only your concealed carry draw but also blocking interference\nwith the draw from the adversary. This is basic nuts-and-bolts close-quarters\nbattle, and close-quarters training and firearm-retention training are\nessential. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

When engaging in\nforce-on-force training, a fake knife and fake handgun are good tools. Ring\u2019s,\nASP and Odin Press offer excellent training aids. Even an $8 flea market toy\nGlock will work if you do not wish to spend the bucks on a true training gun,\nbut something closer to the heft and balance of your personal handgun is a\nbetter choice. As each participant trades roles, from the knife to the gun, the\naggressor to the defender, you will have a better understanding of the dynamics\nof edged-weapons defense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In my experience,\nthe 21-foot rule means that if you are well practiced and competent and the\nattack originates at 21 feet, you will have an excellent chance of stopping the\nthreat with well-directed handgun fire. Chances are, however, that you will\nstill be cut. In a fistfight, you will be hit. In a gunfight, you might be\nshot. And in a battle against an edged weapon, you will be cut. I have\nexperienced all three. But the trade-off is that you will survive if you have\nproper training and have practiced. The close-quarters skills you have developed\nwill allow you to quickly and smoothly present the weapon from concealment and\nbring it to bear against a threat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Consider this: If\nyou are slower than the Tueller Drill calls for \u2014 a solid hit in 1.5 seconds\nbeginning at 21 feet \u2014 then you will be in a terrible position if the attack\nbegins at 10 to 15 feet. You must be prepared with open-hand measures. Throwing\nthe non-dominant side arm up, backing up while drawing and firing from the\nretention position might be called for.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I actually read a training\narticle not long ago that I was surprised to see published. The author had\ntabulated results from running Tueller Drills in a recent class. A few students\nwere faster than the average and could reasonably draw and fire inside of 21\nfeet and make the grade successfully. (This is beside the point, but good\nperformance nonetheless.) The fact is that the legal standard maintained and\ndemonstrated by the Tueller Drill is that it is defensible to draw and fire\nagainst a knife-armed opponent at 21 feet. Of course, a shorter distance is\ndefensible, but the 21-foot rule has now been officially established. Jurors\nwill understand the precedent if it comes to this and understand the\njustification of firing at a knife-armed attacker past conversational range. However,\nthe author went on to discuss other students that had fared poorly. Their\n\u201cpersonal Tueller range\u201d was 30 feet or more. One had a \u201cpersonal Tueller\nrange\u201d of almost 40!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You cannot change a\nconstant to suit your performance. You cannot plan on engaging at longer range\nwhen this range might not be legally defensible. Moreover, 30 to 35 feet might\nnot even be realistic in your specific deadly force encounter. What the trainer\nwas saying did not make sense: If your \u201cpersonal Tueller range\u201d is 30 feet, you\nneed to spend more time in practice and get there quickly, because the overall\nproficiency of such a shooter is low. An attack with an edged weapon will come\nat close range. While it is essential to realize that an edged weapon is\ndangerous past intimate range, also realize that the reactionary gap is tighter\nat close range.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The balance was well\nsummed up by Sgt. Tueller many years ago. If you fire too soon \u2014 say, at 15\nyards \u2014 you have won the fight, but you might be charged with murder. The only\njustification for shooting another human is the immediate need to stop him from\nwhat he is doing. If you wait until the attacker has closed the distance, you\nmight lose for good. Even if the shot proves fatal, the attacker might continue\nthe attack and inflict serious wounds upon the defender. The 21-foot rule is a\nbenchmark. Practice hard, be all you can be and understand the implications.\nDon\u2019t stretch the limits.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Editor’s Note:<\/strong> Here is an older video (very old by the looks of it) that highlights Tueller’s findings:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n

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