Dr. Dabbs – Sylvia Seegrist: “My Family Makes Me Nervous”

in Authors, Will Dabbs
This is Sylvia Seegrist. She never was quite right.

Crazy

Crazy. We toss that term around fairly liberally these days. It is arguably tasteless in a modern context yet nonetheless serves as a timeless euphemism for a wide variety of mental illnesses. In these days of politically correct wokeness, I rather suspect the term Crazy’s days are numbered. It is an undeniable label, and labels are malignant dinosaurs in modern society.

Movies and the media shape perceptions. While this guy was undeniably mentally ill, the overwhelming majority of folks suffering from mental illness are absolutely nothing like this guy.

Schizophrenia

The archetype is paranoid schizophrenia. Movies paint a bleak picture of those who suffer from this horrible disease. Up close I have found it to be quite unlike my preconceptions.

Schizophrenia is a truly tragic problem.

To quote the Mayo Clinic website, “Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning and can be disabling. People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment.”

Those suffering from paranoid schizophrenia become convinced that the world is out to get them.

Distilled to its essence, schizophrenia is a mental illness in which people perceive the world around them in an irrational and unrealistic way. Schizophrenics frequently hear voices or, less frequently, see nonsensical visions. Paranoid schizophrenia is a common subset of this overarching disease. According to psycom.net, “The paranoia in paranoid schizophrenia stems from delusions—firmly held beliefs that persist despite evidence to the contrary—and hallucinations—seeing or hearing things that others do not. Both of these experiences can be persecutory or threatening in nature.”

As is the case with so much of the human experience, it is in the outliers that you find the most compelling pathology.

The age of onset for schizophrenia is typically late teens or early twenties for men and late twenties for women. I have followed a few patients through this process, and it is invariably terrifying for both them and their families. The vast majority of schizophrenic patients are completely harmless and are rightly deserving of societal support rather than scorn. Once you cinch the diagnosis and get them on the proper medications these people can generally stabilize their lives. Those very few who cannot, however, can be something to behold.

The Origins of the Monster

As always seems to be the case, Sylvia Seegrist’s was a horribly broken background.

Sylvia Seegrist was born in the summer of 1960. Like most epically troubled souls, hers was an utterly dysfunctional childhood. Her paternal grandfather sexually abused her when she was young. Sylvia was atypically diagnosed with schizophrenia at age sixteen while hospitalized. That’s a bit earlier than most. She subsequently received inpatient treatment fully a dozen times in various institutions. When she came of age she was then, unsettlingly, allowed to enlist in the US Army.

Folks struggling with problems like Sylvia’s tend to make those around them feel uncomfortable. This makes it tough to establish social connections and form support networks.

People with schizophrenia can seem strange to the rest of us, and humans are cruel. This leads to social isolation and harassment. Over time, Sylvia’s behavior grew ever more bizarre. After sixty days on active duty, Uncle Sam decided that Sylvia Seegrist was incompatible with military service and sent her packing. She spoke regularly of killing innocent people, drank furniture polish, loudly raked her leaves at 4 in the morning, and sat in the sauna of her local fitness center fully dressed in a set of Army fatigues. The staff at the pharmacy where she got her medications referred to her as Ms. Rambo.

The Ruger 10/22 is the most popular .22 rifle in the world.

Seegrist had to work at it a bit to obtain a firearm. For whatever reason, she chose a Ruger 10/22. We have discussed the background and development of this remarkable little rimfire rifle in this venue before. Here’s the link. She tried to purchase a 10/22 at K-Mart, but the staff falsely claimed that they had none in stock to put her off. She later purchased a copy of the rifle elsewhere for $107.

The Shooting

The big sprawling shopping mall was once the social and cultural heart of many an American community.

Seven months after she bought her rifle in 1985, Sylvia trekked to the Springfield Mall in Springfield Township, Pennsylvania. It was the day before Halloween, and she actually visited the mall twice that day. Expansive shopping malls were frequently the social epicenter of those American communities that had them back then. I have myself logged many a delightful hour wandering about such spaces with my girlfriend in tow. Sylvia bought Halloween decorations and worked out at a fitness center before returning to her little Datsun car parked outside. She then retrieved her 10/22 rifle, loaded it, and began firing on random mall patrons in the parking lot.

On one fateful October day in the 1980s, the Springfield Mall erupted in violence.

Sylvia missed her first target located some thirty meters distant. This man later slashed one of her tires to prevent her escape. The deranged woman then fired at a lady standing at a nearby ATM and missed her as well. Before entering the shopping mall she shot and killed a two-year-old waiting with his family outside a nearby restaurant.

Seegrist’s behavior once she began her spree didn’t follow much of a pattern.

Seegrist then wandered fairly randomly through the shopping mall, firing into some stores and ignoring others. Her little .22 rifle did not make a great deal of noise, so many mall patrons mistakenly ignored the sound. Along the way, she shot and killed Earl Trout and Augusto Ferrara.

Do Whatever It Takes

Spontaneously moving toward danger is something that is tough to teach. Some folks are better at it than others.

Running toward the sounds of battle is the common euphemism. All organic creatures have an inbred drive to survive. This curious bit of hardwired source code is obvious if you look for it. We duck involuntarily at loud noises. My wife tells me I have the most entertaining dance I perform whenever I encounter a snake unexpectedly at close range on our rural walks. I cannot comment, as I have never technically seen that myself. Some folks, however, can successfully overcome these natural urges. One of those was a graduate student/volunteer fireman/construction worker named John Laufer.

Nobody really knows how they will respond until they are actually in the suck. John Laufer channeled his inner superhero.

John Laufer was at the Springfield Mall this day with his girlfriend. When first he heard the gunfire he thought it to be some kind of Halloween celebration. When he glimpsed Sylvia Seegrist mid-rampage she was wearing camouflage fatigues and firing randomly as targets bore. He later said that he thought the rifle was firing blanks as it made so little noise. His first impression was that whatever this stunt was it was in terribly poor taste. Leaving his girlfriend in a position of comparative safety, Laufer approached the psychotic shooter boldly.

New soldiers are frequently little more than souped-up children. Lord knows I was.

Rarin’ and Ready

Laufer was young and fit, an impressive specimen. While not a trained soldier or cop, he had the self-confidence that comes from physical size and conditioning. He was also a young man, meaning he was bulletproof and immortal. There is a reason 19-year-olds make the best soldiers. 

Mall security was onsite almost immediately. By then John Laufer had neutralized the threat.

As Laufer approached, Sylvia saw him coming and indexed her rifle toward him. Laufer moved in too quickly for her to get a proper firing solution and snatched the rifle from the woman’s hands. He then forced the now-disarmed shooter into a nearby store and held her for mall security personnel. She had fired a grand total of fifteen rimfire rounds, killing three and wounding seven. The first security guard reflexively asked the dazed woman why she had done all this. She responded simply, “My family makes me nervous.”

The Fallout

It is easy to armchair quarterback with the benefit of hindsight. Taking action in advance is always a Gordian chore

Sylvia’s mother Ruth had this to say in the aftermath of the shooting, “You know, it’s ironic that people who are irrational are expected under the law to get help on their own. There needs to be something in the law that compels a troubled person to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist. In the 1950s, we were institutionalizing people who weren’t mentally ill. You could institutionalize someone who was just unruly. We’ve gone from one extreme to the other.”

Sylvia Seegrist is the reason I go about armed.

This is a timeless conundrum. How do you address dangerously psychotic people without violating their civil rights? In a free society, you cannot simply incarcerate folks because they might do something horrible in the future. This is one of several reasons I personally choose to carry a gun whenever I am not asleep or in the shower. 

No offense to its authors, but the BATF Form 4473 is really fairly silly.

Sylvia Seegrist lied on her Form 4473 when she bought her rifle, falsely claiming that she had no history of mental illness. That this self-attestation is even included on the form is frankly insane. Nowadays such information is technically somehow folded into the various state and federal background check systems, but it doesn’t work. I’m a physician who encounters people like this who would be disqualified from owning weapons due to mental illness not infrequently, and I have no idea how to report that were I so inclined. 

Sylvia Seegrist will never again breathe free air.

Where is she now?

Sylvia Seegrist will spend the rest of her life in prison. She was incarcerated in a mental institution or two before settling into the Muncy State Prison for Women. She no longer responds to overtures from her surviving family members. Her prison counselor meets with her every other week and reports that she, “Takes her meds, spends time at the library, exercises a lot, and takes steps to keep herself sharp.” At the time of this writing, she is 62 years old.

John Laufer went on to a distinguished career in Law Enforcement.

John Laufer was rightfully lauded as a hero. His selfless actions saved untold lives that fateful day in the Springfield Mall. Laufer was 25 at the time of the shooting and became a bit of a celebrity in the immediate aftermath. Once the attention began to wane he moved on with his life.

John Laufer’s heroics in the Springfield Mall were inadequate to get him into the Pennsylvania State Police Academy on his first try. However, it all turned out swimmingly in the end.

John Laufer

The first year John Laufer applied for the Pennsylvania State Police Academy he was rated 49th out of 2,123 applicants. They only had 32 slots. His performance at the Springfield Mall certainly didn’t hurt his chances, but he still didn’t make the cut. The following cycle, however, he was accepted for the 20-week course.

Nowadays John Laufer serves as the Chief of Police in Coatesville, Pennsylvania.

John Laufer went on to an esteemed career in Law Enforcement, eventually attaining the rank of Major in the Pennsylvania State Police. In 2013 he was hired as the Police Chief in the city of Coatesville, Pennsylvania. He continues to serve in that position to this day. Not all heroes are doused in gamma radiation or shipped in from some faraway planet. Sometimes they’re just born with it.

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About the author: Will Dabbs A native of the Mississippi Delta, Will is a mechanical engineer who flew UH1H, OH58A/C, CH47D, and AH1S aircraft as an Army Aviator. He has parachuted out of perfectly good airplanes at 3 o’clock in the morning and summited Mount McKinley, Alaska, six times…always at the controls of an Army helicopter, which is the only way sensible folk climb mountains. Major Dabbs eventually resigned his commission in favor of medical school where he delivered 60 babies and occasionally wrung human blood out of his socks. Will works in his own urgent care clinic, shares a business building precision rifles and sound suppressors, and has written for the gun press since 1989. He is married to his high school sweetheart, has three awesome adult children, and teaches Sunday School. Turn-ons include vintage German machineguns, flying his sexy-cool RV6A airplane, Count Chocula cereal, and the movie “Aliens.”

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  • Randy July 4, 2023, 10:11 am

    As Dr. Dabbs said in the article, exactly the reason I choose to carry a firearm except when I am in the shower or sleeping. A tragic event like this can happen at almost any moment. I choose to be prepared for if it does. Great article as always from Dr. Dabbs.

  • grifhunter June 21, 2023, 1:20 am

    Wow, just wow. Doc, you brought back a not very pleasant memory. I was a college student who used to work in the Springfield Mall. I was on my way to work there when the shooting started.

    Pennsylvania at the time would not issue concealed carry licenses, but began to not long after this event.

  • Lee Richardson June 20, 2023, 4:25 pm

    There were two sections that really disturbed me. First is the statement by her mother that “disturbed people” should be compelled to be diagnosed. The definition of “disturbed” would be really tricky! Unfortunately, mental illness is a matter of degree, and it changes over time, with, or without treatment. The mother was right we have gone from one extreme to another.

    The second disturbing section comes from Dr. Dabbs himself, and the wonderful systems that our government agencies have set up. The fact that a medical professional does not have an effective way to report serious mental illness is frightening.

    We as gun owners need to take charge of this conversation rather than allowing anti-gunners to drive it. Nobody wants a bad guy, or a Sylvia Seegrist, to have a firearm. The laws are already in place to prevent this type of crime. And, YES, it is crazy to ask a crazy person if they are crazy. We need to drive the gun conversation in a ration way, if we don’t the anti-gunners will take away our rights and privileges one piece at a time.

  • Terry Story June 19, 2023, 5:57 pm

    Any time and anywhere that I see anything written by Dr. Dabbs, I have to read it, he has to be the most interesting pundit there is at the moment. I always admire his “turn of a phrase” so to speak and he is always, it seems to me, to be straightforward and clear with his prose no matter the subject. I would love to see him appointed as Surgeon General of the United States, although I doubt that he would be foolish enough to accept that appointment, but just think of the sanity he could bring to government. I suspect that he already has a pretty good take on government in view of his service, but it sure is an interesting thought. Bless you Dr. Dabbs, and for heavens sake, keep up the “pithy” and wonderful prose in all of your forums.

  • Bill lockley June 19, 2023, 4:21 pm

    Will, when are you going to publish a book with all these articles in it? I for one would by one for friends as well as myself!

  • Big Al 45 June 19, 2023, 1:09 pm

    Many families who know their loved ones are a threat simply don’t or won’t take steps to report or help them.
    I personally sold a gun to such a person. I was working at a shop at the time, and this Vietnam Vet bought a gun and stated he really didn’t want to but had had trouble with some people who were trying to steal his car collection and had threatened him.
    He showed me pics of his cars, very nice ones too, and seemed genuinely concerned for his life and property.
    He was also reasonable, personable and seemed just fine.
    Then a woman claiming to be his sister showed up and said we couldn’t sell him the gun, he was crazy from the war was her excuse. She created a scene, and was spoken to by a Deputy Sheriff who happened to be there at the range. Nothing was done.
    But the man passed the background check from the Sheriff, so not my affair. At that time in Indiana, there was a 3 day waiting period.
    When he came for the gun, so did the sister and mother, and it descended into chaos in the store, he raged at the women and forced us to call the cops, with the cops hauling him away.
    Meanwhile, the Deputy was trying to explain to the sister and mother, who were blaming us and the Sheriff’s Dept. for this fiasco, that had THEY simply reported his now known PTSD and crazy behavior he would NOT have passed the background check.
    They kept it quiet, they didn’t want the neighbors knowing and talking is what they told the Deputy.
    Social stigma is such B.S. when it comes to taking care of family.

  • Mike in a Truck June 19, 2023, 12:39 pm

    You ain’t seen real crazy yet. Wait till 15 million military age invaders are mobilized come the summer of ’24. You will witness atrocities committed that the worst horror movie has yet to cook up. They’re here. They’re violent. They want your property,your home and your women. Its what’s been promised to them and your in the way.

    • buzz June 19, 2023, 9:57 pm

      You’ve been in your truck too long…..

  • George M HOOD June 19, 2023, 11:49 am

    Frighteningly edifying and immensely worthwhile article. Dr, Dabbs has never written anything less than outstanding, in my opinion, but this piece is truly educational as well as informative. Furthermore, it spurs my commitment to maintain my proficiency with defensive firearms in the hopefully unlikely event I encounter an insane or simply evil individual; I must trust that, at age 85, I would be as courageous as Mr. Laufer.

  • Rex June 19, 2023, 10:01 am

    Excellent article. It wouldn’t surprise me but it’d sure be a shame if crazy were banned. I’d miss Patsy Cline singing Willie’s masterpiece.

  • Jeff Kyle June 19, 2023, 8:34 am

    Thanks Doc, another well told story. There’s no common sense when it concerns uncommon issues. If a person is back scat crazy, they need help. Institutions are the answer but due to the overwhelming negativity of these places, there’s no way to get them the help they need. Society is great at building more and more prisons. Too bad society can’t build mental health centers of equal value.
    At what point do we determine that the needs of the many justify restricting the actions of the severely mentally disabled? Seems like a no-brainer to me but then, I’m a Marine. We have our own brand of military abnormality.
    Semper Fi!

  • Roger D June 19, 2023, 8:09 am

    I believe ‘crazy’ is an excellent word and will not discontinue its use due to the insidious petulance known as woke. When that word is directed toward a person you don’t know it really means beware as it encompasses such a wide range of behavior.

    • Steve Poppele June 22, 2023, 12:01 pm

      Yes- keep using disparaging words to let others know how ‘un-woke’ you are. I work with ‘crazy people’ in an emergency setting and spend a lot of time telling them that I hate the word crazy! That is such an obstacle when talking with them because it is really just another form of medical problem with- as the article states- a connotation of ‘a malignant dinosaur.’ I hear time and again “i’m not crazy!” The symptoms can be absolutely horrific. Convincing them that they are not perceiving reality as the rest of us are is tough enough without that euphemism. Their brain is not functioning properly much like more ‘acceptable’ illnesses such as epilepsy, Parkinson’s or ALS.

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