Read Remington’s Response Here
There is a TV show called “Fear the Walking Dead.” And today in America, we are faced with at least 12 million of the Walking Dead, which is how many people supposedly watched the 60 Minutes broadcast from this past Sunday night. The Walking Dead haven’t, or more likely can’t, wake up to the fact that most of the news we have been fed for the past 50 years has been faked. Our entire paradigm has been the product of an engineered perception and world view, but that time for that has come to and end. That the Walking Dead exist isn’t the problem as much as the fact that many of us fear them.
Remington has been a primary and constant target of the fake media. And why? Because they are one of only a handful of names in American firearms that have mattered over the past two centuries. They matter today because the Remington 700 rifle and the Remington 870 shotgun are still pillars of shooting sports and self defense, and Remington is a name that people naturally associate with positive feelings about guns and shooting. Those Remingtons are made in Illion, NY by Americans, about 3,000 of them. There is little reason to attack Remington for anything, so they had to invent one.
A portion of the Walking Dead, and there are a heck of a lot more than 12 million of them, are what many have come to refer to as “Snowflakes.” They chose the left side of the fake news paradigm, and they are far easier to manipulate than the Walking Dead on the right (the ones who think arabs took down the twin towers and that the snooping security state makes them safe, and that global warming is a hoax, but that’s for another day). Snowflakes, who are generally the most intolerant of individuals, have bought hook line and sinker that if we just learn to be tolerant of each other, the world can become a utopia of peace and love. If you are not tolerant, you need reeducation, because something inside of you is broken. We don’t need guns. They are the source of the problem.
Lockstep for the Snowflakes is all that matters. Once they are told that guns are bad, that gun companies are bad and that people who support gun rights are bad, for them it is game over. Mark Twain once said “It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.” There is no group of people in the history of civilization that have been more fooled than the Walking Dead, and the Snowflake variety has a natural inclination, it seems, to question nothing.
CBS is one of the news outlets that have filled their ranks with a hit team of agents specifically instructed to exploit the useful idiot Snowflakes on the left, and this past Sunday, they ran a piece on 60 Minutes yet again attacking Remington. As you will see in the link to Remington’s response, and my overview, with the support docs, the attack is unfounded, and fraudulent.
And yes, I did watch the 60 Minutes report, but because I’m under 70, I didn’t watch it live on TV. I found a download, and it was a classic hit piece using the same regurgitated “150 complaints” on the Walker trigger, and “several” complaints on the newer X-Mark Pro.
As always, the report fails to take into consideration that the Remington 700 is not a collector rifle that nobody shoots. By their own count, there are 7.5 million Remington 700s in the market, spanning both eras of trigger. Statistically it is impossible that if there was any endemic problem with any era of the Remington 700, that there wouldn’t be thousands of demonstrable cases where the gun fires without pulling the trigger, and the injuries and accidents would also number in the thousands.
The Snowflakes won’t consider this on their own, because they can’t accept the idea that they are not unique, and that they are just a statistic like the rest of us. This is perhaps the most sad aspect of the Snowflake mentality, the need to feel special, and more special than everyone else. Unfortunately, when you boil it all down, we are all ultimately a statistic, and with 9 billion people on the planet, and countless billions who have lived and died on this same planet with the mostly the same stuff, there is very little chance that any of us can do that is truly unique. We live, we die. Three generations later it will be surprising if anyone even remembers our name. None of us are really all that special.
The 60 Minutes report includes some actual Youtube videos of the gun firing without pulling the trigger, but with such a dramatic and potentially viral topic, 4 guns out of 7.5 million is impossible if we were to take these ‘Tubers at face value. An occasional manufacturing error could cause a random case where a trigger design fires when you drop the safety, but that there is no followup to the videos whatsoever. Remington duplicated one specific case in extreme cold where too much Loctite in a production process had made 4 out of ten guns able to fire without pulling the trigger, but only one of those videos involved cold weather. Statistically such a manufacturing blip would show up very seldom, because few people use a 700 in extreme cold, and most people practice at least a modicum of muzzle awareness anyway, and we don’t point our guns at each other.
You would think with the advertising dollars you could make on Youtube rivaling “Charlie Bit Me,” that the people with these supposedly factory faulty 700s would follow up by showing that the guts of the gun have not been altered, take measurements, pictures, video, and then send the gun to Remington for their analysis and correction. None of that exists. You can make an M1A go occasionally full auto with a nail file. Making a Remington 700 go bang by dropping the tang safety can’t be that complex of an intentional modification, and most likely that what happened to those 700s.
I would have made a companion video to go with this article that showcases the liars and cheats involved, but legacy TV media is really aggressive with Youtube copyright violations and they would take the video down in a matter of hours. The impetus for the story is the father of Zachary Stringer, who shot and killed his brother in 2011. Like most firearm accidents, it started with stupid stuff. He loaded the gun to threaten the 12 year old brother. But he didn’t have good discipline with putting his finger into the trigger guard until he intended to fire, and he accidentally pulled it. It’s a sad story of course, and this was a dedicated hunting family which makes it even more painful for those of us who value families like that. If you troll some peer to peer download sites you’ll find the broadcast, should you want to watch it.
After Zachary was arrested and charged with manslaughter, The father testified at the trial against his own son, until he saw that the family could make money off of the death. Ultimately it’s all about money, and the “reputation” for the bad Remington triggers was just the avenue for one specific attorney to sell the family on the concept of going after Remington for damages in a civil lawsuit. Disgusting, but that’s the world we live in, until we rise up to change it.
And disgusting is the key word for the 60 Minutes report as well. The segment is only six and a half minutes long, but they managed to get in some very mentally visual footage in not just the Stringer case by interviewing the child shooter, but an actual animation of another accidental discharge case in another case from 2011 where a girl was killed in North Carolina, by yet another guy who played with a loaded gun and put his finger in the trigger guard. The Walking Dead eat that stuff up. I wonder how many of them turned to their partner watching the TV and said “We really should get those guns out of the house.”
In the Stringer case, Zachary was suddenly let out of prison on good behavior the day after the 60 Minutes crew showed up, so they got to interview the kid. Just like all of the scripted fake Sandy Hook actor parents, Zachary showed a complete lack of emotion for his dead brother who he killed. He neatly describes how he heard the gun go click, and it fired (like that ever is possible). He then walks you through the terrifying flash of the muzzle, and calmly explains, devoid of emotion, how half of his brother’s head came off.
They knew at 60 Minutes that in the internet era there was no way they could get away with a fact of the case that put Zachary in jail. Turns out that after accidentally shooting his brother, Zachary grabbed his brother’s gun and put it between his dead brother’s legs, to fake that he had shot himself. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, and it’s icky enough to perhaps show malice aforethought, which nobody wants to be believe, but they had to include it.
That’s a huge oops, and why any self respecting reporter or production coordinator would kill this story as soon as they learned that detail. Would one person in the whole world believe that the kid was not lying about the trigger? The jury didn’t either, and I am quite sure that they wanted to, as we all would, had we been selected for that jury.
The other case, Jasmine Thar, is a freak accident with a really sad ending. The guy was cleaning or more likely fondling his Remington 700 inside of his house and he accidentally fired it. The bullet first blew through a window, and then flew into two women standing outside in it’s path, center mass. It passed through the window, through the first woman, and killed Jasmine right there. If the victim had been in Massachusetts or New York, the rest of the story would have gone down a whole different way, but no charges were filed on the shooter in North Carolina.
This case was apparently a standard accidental discharge that nearly every regular shooter has experienced in some way shape or form. As an avid shooter it is hard to accept , but we all are subject to accidental discharges over the course of our lives. But here we go back to statistics, because statistically, all accidental discharges have the potential to defy obstructions and kill someone. Usually, in almost all cases, nothing happens. If you are always careful with your muzzle, there is only so much damage a bullet will do, in most cases. This was just one of those times, that statistically have to occur.
60 Minutes bumps right over the fact that if the Remington 700 had a specific design flaw that was endemic to the guns, such crazy airplane crash types of events would happen far more often, because no human error would be involved in an accidental discharge. The Remington 700 would also be disproportionately involved in by far the majority of all accidental discharges, because rifle bullets can defeat exponentially more obstacles than pistol bullets.
Remington’s response is extremely comprehensive if you regard the list of links. As a company, they cannot speak in the frank terms that you see here, (and I included the Sandy Hook stuff so they wouldn’t link to this or ask to hire me as a consultant), but I think they really should have taken the gloves off for this one. It is time for American’s to stand up and bang on the table and say no more fake news. No more false flags. No more hoax events to promote an anti-gun or any other agenda. The news is supposed to be objective. If you want to run a story that accidental discharges happen due to human error a lot, or that there are people who show up deer hunting with a rack of beer, have at it. But there is nothing wrong with the Remington 700, and there never was.
Remington’s Response
On February 19, 2017, 60 Minutes broadcast a segment about Remington Arms Company, LLC and two tragic incidents which occurred in 2011. In narrating the details related to each incident, 60 Minutes omitted and misrepresented key facts which would have allowed the viewer to have an accurate and complete understanding about each. For example, 60 Minutes knew but did not disclose that both of the rifles in question were examined and tested by forensic scientists employed by each state’s crime lab and were found to be in proper working order. Remington provides this response to offer a more complete record of the relevant facts and a comprehensive overview of the incidents described in the story, and the recall which was at the center of the story.
The 60 Minutes segment showcased two separate incidents which it alleged stemmed from issues related to the rifles’ trigger mechanisms. Although Remington shared voluminous information and spent hours providing background information to 60 Minutes related to the recall and the two incidents, 60 Minutes failed to offer its viewers critical facts and content core to each incident. It is imperative that 60 Minutes viewers, our customers and the public, have accurate and complete information related to these two incidents as well as to the recall of Model 700 rifles with X-Mark Pro (“XMP”) triggers and the settlement of the Pollard v. Remington class action lawsuit.
Remington stands behind the safety and reliability of its products and vehemently denies allegations by 60 Minutes and others that there is any design defect in another trigger mechanism, the Walker trigger mechanism. Remington made a commercial decision to put an end to the expense and uncertainty of protracted litigation, and agreed to settle the Pollard class action on terms which are in the best interests of Remington and its valued customers.
Separately, after Remington’s own investigation determined that there was a possible assembly error affecting some XMP triggers, in April 2014 the company immediately and voluntarily issued an international recall on all Remington products with XMP trigger mechanisms manufactured from May 1, 2006 to April 9, 2014 and broadly promoted and advertised the recall. Under the recall program, over 350,000 XMP trigger mechanisms have been replaced. Firearm safety remains our number one priority.
Remington was first contacted by a 60 Minutes producer in October 2016 advising that CBS was “working on a [60 Minutes segment] in regards to the XMP recall and the pending Pollard Class Action Settlement.” The 60 Minutes producers, representing that CBS was interested in airing “a complete, well-rounded, and accurate report,” asked Remington to provide background information about Model 700 rifles and about two independent incidents involving Model 700 rifles. Given this representation and with the hope that 60 Minutes was truly interested in producing a balanced and accurate report, Remington sent 60 Minutes numerous records and information on those topics, and it also directed CBS to specific, readily available public records related to the topics chosen as the focus by 60 Minutes.
It is distressing that most of the information Remington provided to 60 Minutes was not included or ever referenced in its February 19, 2017 Remington segment. To set the record straight and to provide Remington’s valued customers and viewers of the 60 Minutes segment with a complete and accurate understanding of several of the matters presented in the segment, Remington provides below a listing of information either in 60 Minutes’ possession or readily available to it in public records before it aired its segment. This material puts the 60 Minutes’ segment in context and exposes 60 Minutes’ pre-determined viewpoint and intentional omission of key facts that would have reflected balanced reporting of the circumstances of those tragic incidents.
Topic 1: The Stringer Incident
60 Minutes presented the tragic story from Mississippi of then 15-year-old Zachary Stringer shooting and killing his 11-year-old brother with a Model 700 rifle in June of 2011. 60 Minutes represented that Zachary was convicted in the shooting death of his brother with a Remington rifle even though Zachary “insisted it went off by itself.” Leslie Stahl then suggested that the rifle fired because of a potential manufacturing defect (excess bonding agent) which prompted Remington in April of 2014 to voluntarily recall all Model 700 rifles with XMP trigger mechanisms. Remington had previously explained to the 60 Minutes producers that to be subject to the recall condition of a potential unintentional discharge caused by excess bonding agent on the blocker screw, the excess bonding agent had to be of a certain consistency and the rifle had to be being used in certain cold weather conditions. The rifle was indisputably not being used in cold weather conditions when it was being handled by Zachary Stringer inside his home in Mississippi in June of 2011.
When 60 Minutes told Remington before the segment aired that it intended to address the Stringer tragedy, Remington sent 60 Minutes the following materials: (1) the Mississippi Supreme Court decision affirming the manslaughter conviction of Zachary Stringer; and (2) the transcript of the trial testimony of the forensic scientist from the Mississippi Crime Lab who had examined and tested the rifle. The Supreme Court decision set out in great detail the facts of the incident and the trial transcript of the forensic scientist’s testimony detailed her examination and testing of the rifle conducted after the shooting. CBS withheld the following facts from these materials in its possession:
- According to the Supreme Court decision, Zachary gave law enforcement officers three conflicting and inconsistent accounts of how the shooting occurred. In his initial handwritten statement given to officers in the presence of his parents two days after the shooting, Zachary claimed his brother had shot himself while the two of them were home alone. Zachary later admitted that immediately after he shot his brother, he put his Remington rifle back in his closet. He then retrieved his brother’s shotgun, “fired a round into the woods, and placed the shotgun between [his brother’s] legs” in an effort “to make it look like an accident.”
- In Zachary’s second statement, given almost two months after the first statement and in the presence of his attorney, he claimed that after his brother shot the family dog with a dart gun, Zachary retrieved his Remington rifle from his bedroom. Without checking the rifle’s action, Zachary claimed the rifle fired as he got up from the couch in the living room.
- In Zachary’s third statement (given a week after his second statement), he claimed his brother was pestering him and pretending to shoot him with the dart gun. At that point, Zachary said he threatened to shoot his brother if he continued to pester him, and he loaded a round in the chamber of his Remington rifle. Zachary claimed the shooting that followed was accidental.
- As shown by Mississippi Supreme Court decision and the trial transcript provided to 60 Minutes, the rifle was examined and tested after the incident by a forensic scientist from the Mississippi Crime Laboratory. As the transcript of testimony from the trial shows, the forensic scientist performed functional-reliability tests on the rifle, including drop and impact tests, and the rifle did not accidentally discharge and was determined to be “in good working order.”
In sum, the following materials were not referenced or acknowledged by 60 Minutes although they were provided to 60 Minutes and are linked herein: (1) the opinion by the Mississippi Supreme Court; and (2) the transcript of trial testimony of firearms examiner for the Mississippi Crime Lab.
Topic 2: The North Carolina Incident
60 Minutes also reported on a shooting incident occurring on December 23, 2011, in Columbus County, North Carolina. One woman was killed and two others injured by a single bullet discharged from the bedroom inside a neighbor’s house across the street. The 23-year-old neighbor and owner of the Remington rifle claimed he was retrieving the rifle (which was in a gun case) from his bedroom closet. Thinking the rifle was unloaded, the neighbor pulled the rifle from the case with his right hand while holding a cell phone in his left hand. As he pulled the rifle out of the case, it discharged. The bullet traveled through his bedroom window and across the street where it struck the three women as they were walking to their car.
60 Minutes suggested that the rifle fired without the trigger being pulled because of the potential manufacturing defect which prompted the April 2014 XMP trigger recall. When 60 Minutes told Remington that the segment might include the North Carolina incident, Remington sent the 60 Minutes producers the following materials (none of which were referenced or acknowledged by 60 Minutes in the segment): (1) the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation’s report on its examination and testing of the rifle in question; (2) the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s report on its separate examination of the rifle; (3) the initial report and the subsequent deposition transcript of the firearms expert hired by the attorneys for the women’s families in their subsequent lawsuit against Remington; (4) the transcript of the recorded statement given to local law enforcement on the day of the incident by the neighbor who was handling the rifle; and (5) an e-mail string between the attorneys representing the families of the women regarding their expert’s findings on examining the rifle. In addition, 60 Minutes had knowledge of, and access to, the Mecklenburg County court file which included the complete transcript of the deposition of the neighbor. In airing the portion of its segment concerning the North Carolina incident, 60 Minutes withheld and omitted the following facts:
- On the day of the incident, the neighbor told law enforcement that the rifle fired because “I must have bumped the trigger.”
- The neighbor testified at his deposition that he thought the rifle was unloaded at the time of the incident.
- The NCSBI examined the rifle and found it to be functioning properly.
- The FBI examined the rifle at its Quantico, VA laboratory and found it to be functioning normally.
- In his initial report of March 31, 2014, the firearms expert hired by the family’s attorneys stated that, based on his examination and testing of the rifle, it “displayed no conditional nor configurational defects that would cause it to fire in the absence of a depressed trigger.”
- In an e-mail string between the family’s attorneys, they reported that their firearms expert found the rifle to be “within factory specs with no visible defects.”
- In his deposition of May 14, 2015, the expert hired by the family’s attorneys testified to the following: (A) his opinion that at the time of the shooting the man handling the rifle did not know it was loaded; (B) the rifle’s safety was in the “OFF” or “FIRE” position at the time of the incident; (C) if the safety had been engaged in the “ON” or “SAFE” position, the rifle would not have fired under any circumstances; (D) during his inspection of the rifle, he never found any excess bonding agent (Loctite) to be in any way interfering with the safe operation of the rifle; and (E) that in the usage of the rifle before the incident and in the multitude of tests performed on the rifle after the incident, the only way the rifle could be made to discharge was by pulling the trigger.
The materials provided to 60 Minutes by Remington and linked herein included the following: (1) the NCSBI report; (2) the FBI report; (3) the statement of the gunhandler given to law enforcement on the day of the shooting; (4) the transcript of deposition of the expert witness hired by the plaintiffs’ attorneys; (5) the initial March 31, 2014 report of the plaintiffs’ expert; and (6) an e-mail string between plaintiffs’ attorneys.
Topic 3: Verdicts in 2008 and 2011
60 Minutes also made reference to a 1994 verdict against Remington in a case involving a Model 700 rifle with a Walker trigger mechanism (the Collins case). 60 Minutes did not disclose that in the only two injury cases tried to verdict since the Collins case involving Remington trigger mechanisms containing the connector component, both juries returned verdicts in Remington’s favor finding that the Remington trigger mechanisms were not defective. Both of these verdicts were provided to 60 Minutes before the segment aired, and 60 Minutes intentionally failed to disclose these verdicts to its viewers. The verdicts provided to 60 Minutes are linked herein: (1) the 2008 jury verdict in Williams v. Remington; and (2) the 2011 jury verdict in Hull v. Remington.
Conclusion
For decades, Remington bolt-action rifles have been a favorite of millions of American hunters, target shooters, law enforcement and military personnel. Remington continues to stand behind the safety and reliability of its firearms. That is certainly true for its bolt-action centerfire rifles, including the Model 700, which has earned its reputation among millions of satisfied users as America’s most popular, reliable and trusted bolt-action rifle.
Please get a copy of H L Mencken “Newspaper Days” In it he describes his career in newspaper biz starting in 1899, Baltimore Maryland. When faced with a deadline, they just made up a story. That’s how it’s done, then and now. Except now they do it so we have the right viewpoint,…theirs. the trigger in question was also on the Remington 721,722 ADL&BDL. Great trigger.
The real problem here is that the Media can get away with publishing inaccurate swayed pieces. Its too bad that they can do these pieces simply to “AIR” for the entertainment of their audience….for their ratings. They are not obligated to report the truth, fair, unbiased facts. This is the real problem. Remington should have had their attorneys suing 60 minutes. Instead Remington quietly settled because it was “Less Expensive” then litigating it. Damn the expense ! ! They should have fought to the end.
I believe that Arabs crashed into the Twin Towers, and I believe that “Snooping” on people (especially certain groups prone to terrorism) in America makes us safer. Global Warming? It’s a fact. There is global warming. The only thing is, people, and the effect they have is minimal to zero. The Earth lives and breathes in cycles we can’t fathom. We cannot truly comprehend a billion years passing. Humans have been a species for less than 2 million years. What has caused global warming? Nothing. What caused the Earth to cool from it’s previously “warm” state? A big meteor, 66 million years ago. It filled the atmosphere with enough material to effectively block out the sun and cause the Cretaceous–Paleogene (K–Pg) boundary, formerly known as the Cretaceous–Tertiary (K–T) boundary. The Earth has been warming since, trying to get back to it’s natural state. Man has a very high opinion of itself, thinking we can destroy the Earth. Man does not have the capability to do anything to the planet except make it uninhabitable for humans. When we are gone, the rest of the life on Earth will rejoice. The ones that we haven’t made extinct will rebound, and new life forms will spring forth. In truth, we are but tiny fleas on the back of a very large dog.
Attack on Remington? Again? It’s ridiculous…
‘ Walking BRAIN DEAD’ is more apropos — how is it possible to misunderstand our 2A’s “Make NO LAW which infringes on citizens’ RK&BA?” Only these Walking Brain Dead bozos don’t understand the ‘Gun Free Zones are Target Rich Areas.’
Hi Paul: Good response. One question; in the 60 minute piece, they repeatedly went back to a retired Remington gunsmith (name forgotten) who repeatedly mentioned that he thought the XMP trigger used in the 700 was ‘poorly designed’ [my words]. They even showed some apparently close-ups of sear, safety and trigger as a whole. This smith seemed knowledgeable, or the real deal. What is the story of his input to the 60 minutes story. And, I failed to see if you discussed his interviews with 60 ‘seconds’/minutes. Thanks Edgar Church (owner 1100’s, 870’s, but no Rem rifles. Shot the 700 at range. Good rifle for price)
I just looked through it and there is no gunsmith. That was the lawyer.
This program was totally out of any reason. This type of media is usually linked to the democrat party. These guns will not fire accidentally unless someone has modified them.
Yep, this from the same “news” organization, 60 minutes, that rigged cars with explosives to show us how unsafe certain cars (made by GM, i believe) were.
It was GM and Chevy pickup’s with the gas tank behind the cab. The finally had to rig explosives in the truck to achieve the outcome they wanted.
Nope, that was NBC and Dateline, and they were sued by GM for defamation.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-02-10/news/mn-1335_1_gm-pickup
Walter Cronkite quote, ” Our job is not to report the news, but to mold public opinion.” CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN has done an excellent job of molding public opinion.
Add to that the recent speech by Mika Brezinski (Zbignew’s daughter(not certain of spelling) on the show “Morning Joe”: Our job is not to report the news, we are supposed to control what people think.” (paraphrased). This is the real behind the scenes attitude of the modern successors to Cronkite. So many people trusted him in the 1960’s that he used that to declare the Vietnam war lost by the United States, in spite of evidence that the NVA and VC were literally destroyed in the field in nearly every instance of face to face combat. If anything, Nixon and Kissinger’s unilateral withdrawal allowed the North to finally take over South Vietnam.
The same deal is going on in this story. If the media takes enough of an authoritarian posture, and alters the story to support their version of the truth, they have the power to control what the people who are so inclined as to absorb their presentations as absolute truth think about any given subject. This used to be called propaganda, now we call it the news. Few if any will deign to question the talking heads that spout the alternative news. That is what allows these media people to get away with all the lying they do in front of the camera and microphone, as well as in print and on the internet.
I have personal experience as a gunsmith – in the Army and twenty years of working in gun shops. I am well acquainted with trigger construction and improvement on bolt action rifles and all other types of firearms. In that time I never saw one Remington 700 with a defective trigger, unless it had been modified from original part dimensions and geometry by another gunsmith or an amateur attempting to do a procedure known as a trigger job. Trigger jobs are done to improve the feel and working of the trigger and in some cases reduce the pull weight or the force required to get the trigger to release. If done properly it works well and is safe to do, but if you remove even 1/100th of an inch too much metal from the sear, trigger or other part that is engaged when the weapon is cocked, you end up with a dangerous firearm that is unpredictable and thus capable of firing without being touched. In many cases merely chambering a round and pulling the bolt into lock is enough for such an unsafe rifle to fire with no pressure on the trigger. That is not a manufacturing or design defect – some human being set that chain of events starts with someone removing metal from key components of the trigger mechanism,
In all of the cases in this CBS story, they omitted the expert inspections of the guns in question for good reason – the results of those expert inspections would have revealed there is nothing wrong with the rifles they were basing their reports on. This is the state of news reporting in the United States of America today. They lie to people and then expect the sponges among us to absorb the lies, and that way they can generate support for the myths and lies they broadcast.
I noticed the one example on YouTube they included in the story showed the person touching the rifle and then you hear the click of the firing pin moving forward to strike the cartridge (had one been loaded in the chamber). It was not apparent to me where on the rifle he was touching, but it looked to be the rear of the firing pin where it protrudes from the bolt shroud, (the part of the bolt that the rear of the firing pin and cocking piece are located) and not the safety lever. The only way this could be possible is to remove metal from either the sear, the cocking piece or the safety or some combination of all three. The contact surfaces of these parts have specific geometry that must not be altered or you will have a dangerous situation. A small angular change, or a slight curve on an edge of one of these parts where they touch instead of the factory dimensions of the parts can all create a firearm that will fire when it isn’t supposed or intended to.
In the case of these two rifles in this 60 Minutes story, experts assessed them and found no operational defects in either case. People need to question why they decided to suppress this information, especially considering the caliber of the experts who did the inspections.
As the writer of this article indicates, this is yet another anti-gun liberal hit piece. If they have nothing to factually support their position, they lie and create something out of thin air. And when presented with facts counter to their desired outcome, they omit that – compounding the original lies their stories are based on.
Not a whole lot to add. Everything has been said. Remington is an American trademark that exemplifies a dying work ethic in America and all should take notice. I don’t have the 700. I do have an 1100 and an 870 Special. I don’t know hardly anyone that doesn’t have a Remington in their gun case. I’m proud to have one and view them as indespensable. And there is a new 700 model that has come out that I am seriously considering. Keep up the good work and the fight!
I worked as a salesman and gunsmith in a Houston shop and would do trigger jobs for only our four best customers. I sprayed that cheap-looking trigger with Break-Free and then adjusted it down to 2 1/2# and Loctited the screws. I would take it out front and bounce it from two feet on its pad on the carpet. This was repeated several times with the safety off. Never an accidental firing and that is a much more difficult test. Sold at least 200 700s in four years and the shop sold at least 500. Never heard of this garbage.
I had an older 700 with the walker and it happened to me twice in the deer stand id take it off safe to unload and crack the fist time i nearly shit myself and fell out the tree i gotta say i think thats the most surprised ive ever been in my life i tried to make it do it again but no go well acouple weeks later it happened again but obviously i was not as dramatic since i was nervous about it i was kinda prepared for it after thefirst time u contiously think when i click this off is it gonna go because the first one freaked me out so bad now the only thing left is the action that i used to build my first custome bolt gun i tried to figure out how it was happening when i took it apart i had an idea of what problem was but i really didnt see anything that was any different from my pops 700 other than his different model but anyway its is not cool when the boom stick goes boom and its not supposed to im just glad i didnt unload it anywhere else but the stand
Well Miles, that just simply BEGS the question, did you, at that time after either the 1st or 2nd accidental discharge, take the rifle to a licensed gunsmith to have it inspected or notify Remington about the misfires??? It is one thing to make allegations about a failure of a weapon to do its job properly, but you are also responsible for having it checked and repaired or replaced after you suspected something was wrong with the mechanism. Did you clean your weapon regularly? Did you properly lubricate your weapon since you owned it? Have you kept the weapon in an enclosed case or gun cabinet/safe since you owned it or does it go into the corner of the closet after you are done hunting? Do you use the gun for anything else, target practice, varmints, other than during a few weeks of hunting season?
Have you heard about the guy who never bothered to check the brake fluid in his car? He just drove the car and put gas in it when needed, but one day the brake fluid finally got to a low level and his brakes didn’t work properly. He narrowly missed a child in the road riding a bike. When questioned, his reply was “Yup, sure was lucky there wasn’t a whole passel o’ kids in the road that day or somebody would’a got hurt.”
Miles, you had better have that rifle looked at. Did you buy it used? It sounds like someone may have tried to do a trigger job on it and screwed it up. Any bolt action rifle can do this if someone has played around with the trigger or adjusted it too low/light of a trigger pull.
You haven’t done a do it yourself trigger job on it , have you Miles?
Improper setting of the sear engagement can be the culprit. You must look through the window in the side of the trigger and observe the depth of engagement. Turn the engagement screw until it releases then set it back one quarter turn. Now close the bolt on an empty chamber. You will release the safety and don’t get your hand or fingers anywhere near the trigger. Holding the rifle solidly, bump the butt either with your hand or bump it on a sandbag on the floor. Did the firing pin fall? Bump the side of the firearm with your hand solidly. Did the firing pin fall? Put the safety back on and pull on the trigger to test the safety is working. Release the safety. Did the firing pin fall without touching the trigger? Now repeat your bump tests. Did the firing pin fall? If all answers to the above are no, then consider your trigger to be safe. If at any juncture you answer yes, then further adjustment is necessary until “no” is your answer always. Take it to the range and load one cartridge, of course keeping the muzzle pointed downrange, proceed with the above tests once again. Proper adjustment should give you negative answers again.
Never change a spring that makes you use the end of its tension to achieve the trigger pressure you may want. A spring only works properly when it’s operational spectrum is in the middle of it’s tension. This will assure consistency of trigger pull from shot to shot. Be safe always.
I forgot to mention that using any gun oil on you trigger will gum it up. Those rifles some of you fellows speak of were possibly in that state. I will recommend one of the oldest cleaners and lubricants for triggers. Remove the action from the stock. Remove the bolt from the action. Grab a can of Zippo lighter fluid and pour it through the trigger with a pan beneath. If you have any air available, push out the remaining debris. Wipe off the crud. Give it one last flushing of Ziippo lighter fluid allowing the fluid to dry up. This will leave a very fine film of lubricant for the trigger to operate smoothly and without trouble from cold weather. This works in the home of Zippo’s woods on some very cold winter days.
There’s no chance Mark Twain would’ve said “It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince *them* that *they* have been fooled.” In his day, and for long before and afterward, people didn’t use plural pronouns when referring to a single unidentified individual. Don’t back-project a stupid contemporary PC grammatical tic when quoting words spoken in a saner time.
William, I don’t have a book of Mark Twain quotes but you are the only person who seems to think he didn’t say this quote. A lot of people attribute Mark Twain to this quote. Google it. I checked because I thought your criticism was rather ridiculous and in fact, it sounds like something Mark Twain would say. What any of this has to do with the topic of this article is beyond me.
His point is that the sentence is grammatically incorrect, and Twain, a proficient writer, would not have written it that way, but rather have said: “it is easier to fool someone than to convince him he has been fooled.”
You missed the slight of hand in the hit piece. If you look closely when they show the gun on the table, the box isn’t from a 700 it looks for all the world like an AR box.
My father sent me a brand new 700 in 30-06 in 1981 I had moved to the Colorado in 1978. I did have a problem during a bitterly cold November . I had a procedure of unloading the rifle. I would drop the floor plate and empty the mag then move the safety off and eject the chambered round. This time the rifle discharged thank god it was pointed in a safe direction and shot a hole in the wall tent which is still there as a reminder. I had another rifle to finish out the season and did not use it. I contacted Remington and was instructed to send it to the factory as I did and recieved it back in a short time. I have never had another negliant discharge since. It was a sobering happening.
December 27, 2002, I downloaded a Remington Safety Modification Program pertaining to model 700/40-X rifles. It concerned rifles made before March 1982 with a bolt lock mechanism. I owned three of these rifles, model 788 (222), model 700 BDL (6mm) and model 700 BDL (7 MM Rim Mag.) These guns were probably bought some time during the 1970s. I had bought the 788 for my use, but later allowed my younger son to use it. On one occasion, while in the woods, the gun fired into the ground while my son was holding it. Naturally I raised hell with him for handling the gun in an unsafe manner. Some time later I had the 788 and I don’t remember now what we were doing or where we were, but when I pushed it off safe, it fired and scared the hell out of me. I think we just put the gun aside, but when I became aware of a Remington problem, I followed up to send my 700’s back to Remington. When I found out I would have to pay shipping, I wrote a protest letter to Remington and they called me back and said they would send me three prepaid cartons to ship the guns in. I did so, and I suspect that they replaced the trigger mechanism in at least two of the guns, but the gunsmith repair only stated that the trigger mechanism were gummy and the 788 had the wrong sear spring. (never in a repair shop.) When my guns came back, they were obviously serviced and one had a new nice looking stock. My cost for the total repair or replace, clean operation, was $20 per rifle. As a result, I could now open the chamber to unload without moving my safety, which was the reason for the recall. The current production had this feature. I was very happy with the way Remington handled my three 700’s and appreciated them going beyond the lock bolt situation and refurbishing rifles.
I watched the 60 minute presentation but I was not aware of the information Remington had sent to them and I agree this is just one more example of the current “Fake News”. I also remember the explosives added to the gas tank episode. 60 Minutes has been one of my favorite entertainment shows, but their liberal bias usually comes through. In the one case cited, for the young man who shot his brother, I blame the father as much as the son. He should not have had the rifles in his room with ammunition and if he was my son he would not be pointing the gun at anything he did not intend to shoot! I told my wife, that gun did not go off, that boy got carried away with his anger. It was a tragic situation, but 60 Minutes added to the tragedy by not disclosing the information from the trial, especially the gun testing and the boy’s changing story. Every kid that will be picking up a gun to go hunting should be required to complete a gun safety course as in my state, Florida. A father is responsible for his kid,s action and gun safety should be always be a main topic.
60 minutes scared me to death in the 1980s when they said Audi 5000 series vehicles clearly accelerate without touching the gas pedal. Come to find out the lady that killed her son in a freak accident recanted her story when she was pressed by Audi’s attorneys. She admitted she must have stepped on the gas accidentally. Then 60 minutes recanted by saying the Audi they used to show the cars sudden acceleration was “tinkered with” by a mechanic (hired by 60 minutes) applying pressure from an outside source to make the car move while applying the brakes. The media is and always has been about selling news. I feel for the deaths in both the Audi and Remington situations but recognize the media involved unfortunately will not sell stories without “manipulating” the truth. Having fired many weapons over the decades I can attest that there are certainly situations where a trigger could go off accidentally. But not without a finger or something else touching it. In the 700s defense I have too been able to fire a round by placing the bolt forward however the setup to make that happen is NOT a real world situation and takes careful movement of the trigger PRIOR to locking the bolt. The person making the statement about this above should tell the whole story. Walker trigger, XMP trigger, it just doesn’t matter. Gun safety will ALWAYS make any discharging weapon safe. Stop with the BS. Remington makes a great gun.
Anything made by man can and will be occasionally defective. It’s a numbers game. With so many 700s out there in the world there are bound to be a few that potentially exhibit this problem. Maybe it’s tolerance stacking. Maybe it’s a machining defect that wasn’t caught in QC. But it probably happens once in a great while.
I agree whole heartily with the Fake Revamped News, it started back in the 60’s-70’s with the reporting of the Vietnam War, and has continued to this Day. This is why I stopped reading the Newspaper when I returned from Vietnam. Thanks
You are absolutely correct. I think it started right after LBJ took office. There were people in the press that absolutely hated the man and would do or say anything to see him fail. I am not saying he was a saint, far from it, but they used Vietnam to destroy him and keep him from running for a second term. Then we got Nixon/Kissinger who cut and ran as fast as they could despite the North’s assertion they were ready to surrender as a result of the B52 bombings and the heavy losses they incurred. The NV delegation to the Paris talks said they were ready to surrender and were shocked by the news from Kissinger that the US was leaving South Vietnam. Of course they capitalized on that and you know the rest of the story. Had the media reports been more positive and a truer reflection of the battlefield, Vietnam might have been a completely different country today.
They lie, and people die.
Especially when the liar is Kissinger, think Central America and USA interference.
I have worked int he newspaper business for over 25 years as a photographer and occasionally a writer. The reason I do not write full time is that in the first month after I started work, I asked hte head writer and editor why he was publishing a story that we both new was, slanted, to a particular point of veiw. He had over 40 years in the business and tols me that his job was to tell people what they were supposed to think. We never got along.
I let my pictures prtray a image but even then I have to be careful to convey the full story of what is happening. Walter Cronkite has been quoted (rather derogatorily in these postings) that reporters are supposed to be as neutral and un biased as possible. Reporters and newsmen were held to the highest degree in those days but that all changed when news became entertainment.
When I was young, you had the local news that reported on happenings within 50 miles of home and you would see 30 minutes a day of the evening news with Walter or Dan.Now you are inundated 24/7 with news from every part of the world as it happens and opinions of people no one would have even considered in the old days. The world is a much smaller place than it used to be and news agencies fight ratings by being the most sensational there is.
A friend of mine at work told me that his model 700 Remington rifle fired as he was closing the bolt and asked me to check out the gun for him. I took the rifle home and removed the barrel and action from the stock. The trigger and sear mechanism was full of dirt and rust. I cleaned the mechanism and it worked fine. Any firearm can fail if it is not properly cleaned. Always keep the mussel pointed in a safe direction until you are ready to fire the gun. This is rule number one in gun safety.
I have a theory on the old triggers and many of my gunsmithing freinds have agreed it is possible. The old Walker trigger adn the triggers up to the 2000’s were adjustable but warnings through out the manuls all said this should never be attempted by anyone but a Remington certified gunsmith. You cna back the trigger poundage off but you have to adjust the sear and another part of the trigger to keep it safe and you are not suppose to back them off to less than 3 lbs. I have seen several rifles that would fire when the safety was realeased and almost in every case, someone had backed the poundage of without adjusting the rest of the triggr.
I have seen one case where I owned a 700 varmint rifle that the trigger mechanism was unsafe. rand new out of the box it would fire when the safety was released, and that bull about hearing a click before it fired is just that, bull. You would hear the click if it release without a live round, but your not going to hear anything but the round firing when you have alive round in the chamber. My rifle would release the firing action even without a round but it only happened twice. On the range, it would fire if you snapped the safety off, would not fire if you eased the safety off, this is what makes me believe part of the problem is sear engagement.
I kept the rifle for about a month to makke sure I understood the problem then sent it back to Remington and they replaced the trigger. Never had another mishap with that rifle.
I have owned and sold Remington Arms for years. I bought my first one in the early ’60s. a Model 700 in 30 06 caliber. I have lost track of the number of deer and elk that I have taken with it. After the season was over I would clean it up and put it in the rack until next season. When I would take it out and zero it in; it was always just like I had set it up years ago. Sweet rifle that you could always count on. we went hunting in some pretty naxty weather. It was always there when I needed it. Later I bought a 700 in 300 Winchester Magnum. Many elk, moose and bear have fallen to this gun. I have been hunting since the early ’50s and never had a Remington fire without pulling the trigger. I would imagine making the termendous number that you do; you should be allowed some mistakes. CBS found four! OK, off to jail with you for trying covertly kill off our sports men and women.
I have owned a Model 1100 automatic shotgun in 3 inch magnum. I could hit with this gun. It never jammed or gave me any trouble. I would mix up the 3 inch shell with the 2 3/4 and it never missed a beat. My sons now have these weapons and have used them the past couple of years and still going strong. The 700 that I bought in the early ’60s went to Alaska for Mountain goat and sheep. He came back happy as a lark filled his limit and no problems with the rifle.
Remington has nothing to be ashamed of. You make some of the finest sporting arms in the world.
There was nothing fake about watching my brother load his Remington 700 and seeing the gun spontaneously fire. When he closed the bolt on a chambered shell the gun fired without him touching the trigger. There were three of us that witnessed this event an we were speechless. I’m sure some may believe in “fake news” but the Remington trigger system needs to be fixed.
The Youtube video, the 60 minutes piece and Remington are all referring to the model 700 rifle. NOT THE SHOT GUN. The shot gun and the rifle have different triggers. If you have experienced an unintentional discharged from your shotgun…you should either return it to Remington for further investigation or get a qualified gunsmith to sort out your shot gun trigger.
Finally you are being to understand that the news media has gone far beyond spreading mere propaganda and are operating a full blown disinformation machine.
Fake and distorted news really ramped up in the 60’s.Big news paper company’s bought all the little local newspapers and so on.I was alerted to that back then.It’s all about control.I am 62 years old now and have watched fake news all my life,but I knew that.
Maybe the NRA should publicize the Remington facts that the “60 Minutes” segment omitted. As an NRA member, I’d like to see the whole truth publicized.
Put Leslie, Pelosie,Shumer in front of any camera and they will extort the truth to benifit themselves. They have never seen a camera they didn’t like.
60 minutes jumped the shark a long time ago and this is just further evidence of that. If you need further proof, consider the disturbing news that now we’ll have to endure Oprah yet again for years to come when she joins them as a “journalist.” She’s not even credible as a Weight Watchers mouthpiece, although to give credit where credit is due, she has lost a million or so pounds (and gained back two million) over the years. She’s possibly one of the worst interviewers I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen plenty.
“In truth there is no news, and in news there is no truth.”
I don’t think we have heard HONEST news sence Walter Cronkite passed away.
We didn’t always hear it from Cronkite. He misrepresented the 1968 Tet Offensive as “the beginning of the end” of the Vietnam conflict, when it was not decisive in the course of the war and resulted in such mass casualties among the Viet Cong that their contribution to Communist war activity there was very small compared to that of the North Vietnamese Army.
Cronkite changed his coverage due to an incident relayed to me by a Marine who was present. Wounded Marines, my friend among them, were being loaded on a chopper for evacuation from Hue. Cronkite boarded, but the officer in charge ordered him off, wounded only… He refused, citing orders from a General… after some more exchange, the office exited and returned with an M-60, pointed it at Cronkite and told him to get off, or else… That is when his reporting changed drastically…
Loved Cronkite BUT, he was an extreme liberal. Most people would never think that and probably never pick up on it because of the time period.
For at least 20 years I have read letters in sporting magazines about someone closing the bolt or pushing the safety and a 700 fires. First thought was you had your finger where it shouldn’t be, however I’ve read enough to wonder if there is a problem. Maybe it’s only 1 in 300,000,but big green should always respond,inspect,and correct. If for no other reason than to prevent overblown pieces like this. I have 3 remingtons in my safe and use them. However none are 700’s. When I bought my rifles I bought 70’sfor the above reason. Thank you Gunsamerica for your shooting news Ilook forward to it always.
I work as a gunsmith and I have only seen one 70 with a trigger problem and it was the new improved trigger .The caveat to this is that the rifle was put up and not messed with again until it was sold to my customer . Take the safety off it would fire.Took the gun apart and found it was rusting including the trigger cleaned it up and lubed it worked like a charm.firearms need to be cleaned and inspected to make sure they function correctly before you take a new firearm out to the range or hunt
How many of you have bought a new electrical appliance or engine driven device that failed to work properly or could have hurt you? These things happen, like grinding wheels coming apart, a lawn mower throwing pieces. If you live through it, like most have, you realize that sometimes things get by quality control at the factory.
I would think that anyone that knew about firearms would already be suspicious of a gun that was going to malfunction. Maybe the safety did not click correctly, or it just did not feel “right”. Going ahead and using that gun anyway puts some of the problem right on your shoulders. You may cause someone to get a payday after court, but you will be judged also.
Plus, with a gun, if you’re following proper procedure, it should be pointed in safe direction when your engaging the safety and either in a safe direction or at something you intend to shoot when disengaging the safety.
As for other dangers, how many of us are still driving vehicles with one or more potentially lethal Takata airbags while waiting for the manufacturers to get around to replacing them?
I actually almost brought the Takata airbags story into this article, but most people don’t know about it. We actually bought a Acura new, and they knew when they were selling it to us that it had the airbag problem. And we are in south florida where the humidity is the biggest risk.
Paul, in both cases the rifles in question were inspected an checked by firearms experts and found to be mechanically sound and they could not make them discharge without pressure on the trigger. The biggest problem here is these people did things to make the weapon fire, and had they been practicing basic gun safety no one would have been hurt.
Never chamber a live round unless you intend to fire –
Never store any gun with a live round in the chamber –
Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction when handling any firearm –
Don ‘t put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire –
Be aware of your target and what is beyond it –
Had these two people followed these basic rules, no one would be dead in either case. They didn’t and hence the deaths of innocent people. The shooting deaths where the man who uncased his rifle may have been accidental, but it would not have happened if he’d unloaded it BEFORE he put in in the case that last time. The boy who loaded a round and threatened his brother was not beginning to handle his rifle in a safe or sane manner, and as sure as the sun rises, he shot and killed his brother and he knew he was doing it. The facts of the case indicate he shot his brother purposely, and then lied and tried to cover up his crime by staging an accident with the brother’s shotgun. There is no mistaking a shotgun wound for a rifle wound, and experts were able to determine two things that got him convicted; first, the firearm was checked by weapons experts and found free of defect and second, his lying and three stories along with staging a false suicide were found to be the most damning evidence against him, He was convicted. He lied and willfully loaded and pointed that rifle at his brother,
These cases that CBS used in this story were in no way connected to any manufacturing defect, and that was established by expert witness testimony and forensic experts. CBS chose to lie to you by omitting that set of facts because it negated their claim that Remington rifles are defective.
First it was Saturday night specials, next assault rifles, and now they are going after the one thing they said they didn’t want to keep you from having – bolt action sporting rifles. Face it, these people want to take your rights by misusing theirs. Doesn’t that seem rather Machiavellian to you?
The persons who should be judged in this case are not law abiding gun owners, and they are not the people of the Remington Arms Company; they are the people who lie, cheat and tell you patently incorrect information who work at CBS and 60 Minutes, as well as other mass media outlets who do the same kinds of things all the time. Now, you have the real story.
Only the brain dead would ever watch 60 minutes.
More & more people are recognizing the leftist agenda that permeates 60 Minutes. Leslie Stahl is especially bad. She reminds me of the nutjob, Nancy Pee-lousy, as both are boney arsed old haggard looking upper crust lefties. I watched that segment as I thought I should always keep up with the enemy.
I love Remington products and have some I inherited from my grandpa and my father. However, I will not tolerate this growing “fake news” schtick. You were a good source of articles, GunsAmerica, but I’m unsubscribing. The last thing we need for our gun rights is more of this divisive dialogue. Until we can recruit the left wing to understand the concept of individual integrity as the best guarantee of gun safety, this battle will never end. The “Fake news” bandwagon is not the way to get there.
And you are a big part of the problem. You are “the cancer within” that thinks we can undo more than 50 years of propaganda by “playing nice”. “If we’re just nice to them, they’ll love us.” YOU and your ilk are what have “boiled the frog” right to where we are today.
My God, this comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever unless our friend, John, is just some left wing troll.
John, CBS has been a fake news outlet since Walter Cronkite declared we were losing the war in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive, and he began liberalizing the news reports he gave on air during the beginning days of the Johnson administration. He disliked LBJ and took every opportunity to attack him. He practically created the anti war movement. That was what prompted Nixon to promise to end the war, and between Kissinger and Nixon they decided to withdraw the protection of the United States military from South Vietnam and the rest is history.
All the major outlets are engaging in hyperbole in their criticism of President Trump and in doing so are not only destroying what credibility they have but they have become vendors of lies and half truths, and it is so bad now that no one should believe them anymore.
This story on the other hand is accurate, honest and a true reporting of the facts. You should cut ties with the mass media and stay here instead, you will at least not be lied to for the sake of a political agenda here.
I guess by this (“the ones who think arabs took down the twin towers and that the snooping security state makes them safe, and that global warming is a hoax”) I am a member of the right wing Walking Semi-Conscious as:
1. I DO believe the Arabs-of some persuasion-took down the twin towers.
2. I DO NOT believe that the snooping security state-domestic snooping-makes us any safer.
3. And Global Warming IS a hoax.
Then perhaps you should do some more research Jim. Try architects and engineers for 911 truth at http://www.ae911truth.org/ and http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org if you are interested to see what is really happening with the planet meltdown. I have yet to meet anyone that has kept their belief system intact.
My belief system is completely intact. Fake news? Yes indeed.
Marine Corps (2531) 1988 – 1992
Army (11B) 2004 – 2011Gee, I must be one of those \”Right-wing Walking Dead\” that believes Radical Muslims attacked us on 9/11. And what do you know? Popular Mechanics (the very source that many of those loon 9/11 truther \”Architects and Engineers\” you cited get THEIR information) believe so too. I HIGHLY recommend everyone watch Popular Mechanic\’s (FULL of engineers) definitive documentary on debunking the conspiracies of 9/11, that was produced by the History Channel.http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a2021/4220582/
Everyone seems surprised by 60 minutes. Remember when the said the Jeep would flip killing everyone within a two mile radius but failed to disclosed they had to do severe swerves 435 times to get it to roll 8 times. What about when they claimed the Audis were possessed and would suddenly take off and they even filmed it happening neglecting to film the air tank in the passenger seat that ran a air hose into a hole THEY drilled in the transmission housing to get it to do it. I’m so sick of the media especially after their news coverage this last year.
Jeeps DID roll. If the driver swerved at high speed, the shackles holding the rear leaf spring to the frame on the compressed spring (the one opposite the direction of the swerve) would shear at the bolt, causing the suspension on that corner to collapse. That collapse, along with the high center of gravity and the narrow track, would trigger the rollover. Obviously, the speed of the vehicle was important, with the vast majority of these accidents happening at freeway speeds. Whatever some news organization may or may not have done in an attempt to replicate such an incident for the camera is irrelevant, as the numerous jury verdicts against AMC attest.
The verdicts are more of a function of litigation than anything else. The way people drive a high center of gravity vehicle at speed on the expressway was a contributing factor, in fact it has a causal relationship to the accidents. The problem is people can misuse any product, and still sue the manufacturer when they do stupid stuff. The human ego does not allow most people to admit fault or accept responsibility for our actions, which is why we have a civil court system in the first place.
I am a multi gun owner and do not appreciate Remington calling 50% of Americans snowflakes you probably don’t even know where the snowflake came from I do appreciate Remington getting to the facts
May be you would like “Lemming” better… 🙂
Remington isn’t the ones calling anyone ‘Snowflakes’. That is the author of the article which precedes Remington’s response to 60 Minutes. It’s pretty clear, if you pay attention.
He can’t pay attention. That would mean he has to get off of his meds.
You are either a snowflake or a deplorable. You choose.
I know a few deplorable snowflakes….
Talking heads have always been “lying heads”. Many years ago my family watched that agenda driven dribble. I remember the scandal resulting from a “snews” organization using rocket igniters to detonate a car’s gas tank when repeated efforts to blow it up with rear-end collisions failed. And, there have been others.
The snews orgs audience has dwindled over the years and I rise to applaud that. They have no conscience, no honor, and no truthfulness. With ratings and the almighty liberal dollar driving them, the truth is not within them.
Never had problems with my Rem 700 or 722’s, but did buy a Rem 1903A3 that some numnut ground down the bolt mech that the trigger releases the firing pin and had two slam fires when unloading it. No injuries except to my pride. Ordered new bolt and solved the problem. Point is, leave it stock, keep it clean and if you’re not happy with the trigger install an aftermarket one. DO NOT HOME GUNSMITH!
Not that it makes any difference but 60 Minutes is a CBS production, not NBC.
60 min is a p.o.s. A few decades ago they did a piece on side fuel tanks, i.e. Chevrolet too be exact. Doing side impact demonstrations on several occasions it would not explode. By adding explosives too insure that it would explode just so they can say side fuel tanks are bad. Chevrolet in turned sued 60 min and won. Back too opening statement, “60 min is a p.o.s.”.
Talking about fake news! ! Thats why I don’t watch National news anymore. They only tell one side and it is usually fake.
I got my Remington 700 in 1971. I have hunted with it and done a lot of test firing with it at the range since that time. It has never failed to function properly. It seems as those accidents could have been prevented by using common safety rules. You just can’t fix stupid.
When you are handling a firearm, YOU are the safety.
Did any commenter address the issue that none of these weapons and their ammo were secured? Would’ve saved those families a lot of pain.
The kids had gun racks in their bedroom.
rich,
Are you suggesting that all guns and ammo be locked in a safe till you need them? That’s exactly where your guns and ammo need to be when you need them the most….in a safe. Your choice. Mine is to always have a gun within 3-5 seconds of my hand in my house. Maybe out of reach of small children. But not of my older ones who are educated about firearms and their uses. Does that frighten you? Good! That’s the idea. Think about it. You don’t think I’m an easy target, do you?! Mission accomplished.
AMERICANISM!!!! NOT Globalism!!!
Of course they did not mention that, it would have been counter to their hit piece. 99.99% of all gun accidents involve human beings doing what they do best – fouling stuff up. I see by reading many of the comments that the only incidents readers seem to report are those that fall into the following categories:
Violations of basic gun safety
Poor maintenance causing rust and dirt to accumulate within the trigger mechanism
ID 10 T problem code – spam brains trying to be gunsmiths with a mill bastard file and a can of WD40.
A few suggest mechanical flaws of individual weapons, but most of those really are one of the prior mentioned problems.
Sorry, the truth hurts, but working on firearms since 1972 those are my honest observations. The rest of so called accidental discharges are either intended or human error.
Throwing in the random comments on 9/11, government surveillance, and global warming was an incredibly stupid decision.
First, it distracts from the rest of your article. These are such touchstone topics that their inclusion immediately derails readers. Just look at the comments here and you’ll see how many of them have nothing to do with your article and are, instead, focused on these three topics instead of Remington and the 60 Minutes piece.
Second, and worse, they’re not related in any way to the topic of weather or not 60 Minutes aired a hit piece and what Remington’s response was or should be. They add nothing to advance the article and aren’t illustrative as you apparently hopped. That alone is a basic writing error which your editor should have removed.
Third, and most egregious of all, the inclusion of those three hot-button topics has immediately divided your readership, again as clearly illustrated by the comments left. Your article was nominally was an Apologetics (Defense in Writing or Speech) of Remington and the 700 with the goal of converting the opposition, convincing the fence-sitters, and strengthening the allied. Instead the inclusion of these 3 topics drives a wedge in what should be a united community.
The ill advised inclusion of one, parenthetical, sentence has completely distracted, derailed, and divided a 4,200+ word article. Fail, fail, and fail.
Corporate America after the almighty dollar sweeps something under the rug and corporate media over react for the same almighty dollar. Then we have this “fake news” bs hate piece. Wise men read between the lines, do some research and come to the truth, morons on the far left and right fall under the influence of despots. I hope everyone can take a deep breath and look through all the game playing going on in America now. Peace.
I think you to have missed the point also. The point is CBS is misleading in its stories and needs to be made accountable for there actions. I hope Remington will take them to court and sue there ass off. By the way I think the article was not a fail it told the right story.
I own a Remington 700 BDL, In .270 cal. I bought it new in 1984, I am an avid re-loader. I do shoot it more than the average person, and I have never ever had a miss fire with it. It is a very fine rifle.
Good piece. Really liked the links to the reports and expert testimony.
However, 60 minutes runs on CBS, not NBC. Granted, they’re both part of the same fake news-driven MSM industry, but they are different organizations.
I own 20+ rifles and 4 pistols, so yes I am a gun nut. At the same token, I find the name calling like “snowflake” to be demeaning and immature. How can we ever get our message out when we name call? If you are incapable of making your point without name calling, I suggest you find another line of work. A true American respects his fellow countrymen.
Well then, “Lemming”!
60 minutes response to remington was…….fuck ’em
Pure idiocy. Use your brain, and please stop just parroting Donald Trump’s canards. Seriously, think, just for a second. A free press is every bit as fundamental to a functional democracy as a closet full of guns is. Stop with this “fake news” shenanigans.
You are right – not fake news.
They are communist news.
CBS = “Communist Broadcasting Service”
Reason: learn to. Objectively. A free press has the right to lie at will and remain unaccountable. And, it is not fundamental to anything except capitalism. Remove capitalism from your free press equation and you have what? You assholes think this is all about Trump’s choice of words and his attitude. ‘Narrow minded bunch of pricks. ‘Fake news’ does occur. . . and much more frequently now that the internet rewards it with clicks. Oh, and the United States isn’t a democracy: democracy ended in the United States a few decades before the Declaration of independence. The United States is a Republic, i.e. “. . .and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands. . . .” Before you preach to others about ‘thinking’ you’d do well to check your arrogance at the door. You don’t know shit.
60 Minutes is on CBS. I don’t think NBC’s hit team had anything to do with it.
lol fixed. haven’t watched an actual letter network in ten years.
When you look at MSM stories, you should not only be questioning what they’re telling you, but what they’re NOT telling you as well.
In an era where individuals consider the stripping of their liberties as a fair trade for a hollow promise of safety. Where everyone seems to be out to make a buck or get their 15 minutes of fame on the backs of their fellow man and/or the truth. Where hidden agendas and ulterior motives are the norm not the exception. Where duplicity, “alternate facts” and the definition of “is” are considered to be slick, intelligent and the traits of a winner. Where honor and truth are considered weaknesses. In this world where sound bites are our source of information. Offered up like crack cocaine under the guise of “news”. We consume it like we consume everything, fast and on the run. We are busy. Busy getting ahead, busy texting, busy talking about texting, busy being busy. Because we are so busy we lack the attention span of Protozoa. In this world of our own creation where investigative journalism has died a slow painful death under the crushing weight of public apathy and those scrambling to be the first to worship at the alter of the almighty ratings. In this alternate consciousness, this “Matrix”, this land of intolerance and extreme viewpoints where anyone not on the bandwagon de jour is ridiculed, the new currency is fear. I’m going to repeat that: the new currency is fear. We have been bought and paid for with our own fear. Fear is the virus that creates the walking dead. Remington (and anyone else who cares) wake the $!#% up! The only way to win is not to play. Beam me up Scotty,
Well said!
I must confess, I am less surprised that 60 minutes put such an anti-gun slant on two horrible tragedies, than I am that Remington actually believed CBS when they were told that they would do a “fair and balanced” story. SINCE WHEN??? CBS, just like the former Obama Administration, never lets a tragedy be wasted. Every heinous event that has occurred in recent history has been skewed by the MSM, particularly if it is gun-related. Remington’s execs must be in another country (or planet). Have they not seen or heard stories about “Fast and Furious”, the Big Sandy Hook Lie (Adam Lanza had a Bushmaster SAR with him. It was found after the shooting, IN HIS CAR), and most recently, Katie Couric’s anti- gun hit piece, “Under The Gun”? And shall I even go back as far as The Lie That Was Vietnam? News media are not fair nor impartial. “Sensationalism Sells” is their motto. Remington should have known better.
On the other hand, if Remington had NOT provided CBS with the information that they did, 60 Minutes probably would have just made up whatever they wanted to. That is what freedom of the press does for you. Anyone with any common sense these days knows that if a reporter’s lips are moving, they are either lying or slanting the truth to fit the narrative. Remington should now sue CBS for false statements, libel, slander, damage to its business, and any other thing their lawyers can come up with. Maybe if all of these news outlets were having to fight off the same amount of lawsuits from false reporting that gun companies do from frivolous lawsuits like the ones portrayed (Really? These people were suing the gun manufacturer because some idiot–in one case, a child who lied about the circumstances of the killing, in the other, a distracted person–violated every rule of gun safety and killed someone???), MAYBE they would go back to reporting objectively.
AMEN.
To Quote a Tom Clancy book, Executive Orders: “Why should I trust you? You’re reporters.”
Ya. Fake news is everywhere.
Zombies, libtards, hate mongers, cowards, demon-possessed idiots, politicians, socialists, communists, blood sucking scoundrels, entitle-ists and the like are all out there waiting to steal your freedom, your money, your time and mine.
Americans are “awake to the fake” and let’s continue to make that spread!
(I guess I’m a masochist for responding twice)
So by de-humanizing the opposition, do you feel it makes it easier to completely write off their personal opinions, deeply held beliefs, and rights guaranteed by the US Constitution? I’ll continue to defend my rights and Everyone else’s from All enemies, foreign and domestic.
Good luck with this online rally.
When I first heard this story, I suspected it to be a crock. I own 2 such rifles, and have a background in minor Gunsmithing and in Mechanical workings in general, and have built and refined many guns and triggers.
I have examined my triggers in depth, I simply don’t see the ‘how’ without the possibility of the liquid lock material.
The amount on mine so small, it was almost unnoticeable.
The 2 tragic stories are simple hyperbole to curry sympathy, and frankly after the years of B.S. from 60 minutes in other areas involving guns and attacks on the NRA, they are the last people to be trusted.
As a military veteran with full knowledge of a variety of sensitive occurrences that have taken place, I’ve personally seen news agencies repeatedly report inaccurate information to the public. On many occasions I’ve witnessed reporting that focused on blatant inaccuracies, scripted eloquently, utilizing a blend of attention grabbing tag lines followed by fabricated content. The only truth included was the obvious intent to achieve a wow factor. It has been clear to me for decades that story fabrication and increased circulation go hand in hand without the least amount of integrity. I’ve overcome being saddened by a once respected industry, tuning out the noise completely while making a concerted effort to research numerous sources to ultimately arrive at a version of events inclusive of actual facts. There was a time I held 60 minutes in the highest of regard due to their seemingly against the norm mentality, no matter the consequence. For some time now they have been intentionally cast aside as well, for the desire to maintain the longevity the show has enjoyed is their only concern. The entire production staff has compromised what was once perhaps the last glimmer of unbiased reporting, choosing instead an attempt at self-preservation, no matter the cost to millions of individuals, no matter the reputation of one of the most respected American companies of genuine down to earth candor this country has ever known. The day is coming soon when the empire of CBS and 60 minutes will fade away, eventually disappearing into the distance. They assuredly will show no integrity when this happens as well. A closing statement regarding their decision to end the show will read something to the effect of a declining viewer base, or an online domination of the news seeking public. Even during their last days, the stellar reputation and the truths that founded, maintained and allowed the show to endure will be overshadowed by one last piece of misinformation. I applaud Remington, for due to their uncompromising honesty they will continually stand the test of time. The Model 700, as well as every superiorly crafted item within their line-up, will be here as long as the earth is spinning; all the while as we are reading in the history archives about a television news show that existed for a relatively short period of time.
when i was much younger and quite stupid i took my wonderful model 700 25-06 apart and “adjusted” the trigger.. when i closed the bolt or took off the safety the rifle would fire!
I was taught to keep my firearms pointed in a safe direction and treat every gun as if it was loaded,, no one was hurt , thank God!
that was my stupidity!!
I still have the rifle , still love it , and never messed with the trigger again after setting it back to original pull.
Thanks for the voice of reason…..seriously! ALWYAS be aware of where your muzzle is pointed!!!! End of story. No one ever got shot that didn’t have a barrel pointed at some part of their body….ricochets not included. And EVERYTHING that is MASS produced…is liable to have one or 2 that malfunction….especially when an item is produced by the millions. You truly are playing the law of averages in this type situation….but no one wants to hear that.
AMERICANISM!!! NOT Globalism!!!
In the long distant past I used to watch “60 minutes” but then I grew a brain of my own and realized most of what they said was bullshit. Mt distrust of the media started well over 50 years ago and nothing has changed my mind. The agenda of the media in America is to bring down the America I know and love.
One of the biggest problems we “Non-leftist, non-progressive” AKA Conservatives have is that we, unlike the left don’t hit the streets screaming in the hundreds of thousands to complain about anything that gets our panties in a wad. Mostly because we have to work to pay the taxes needed to support the protestors who are also being paid by George Soreass.
Face it, because we don’t do these things we are never heard. Well we got heard in Nov.! and they haven’t shut up since.
Sadly, this is the state of most of the media we rely on to give us the information we need to make decisions that affect our lives & elect representatives in our government. Providing partial evidence while hiding or not revealing evidence to the contrary in order to create a false impression is tantamount to fraud. I am not a lawyer but all people are assumed to know the law (except when the contrary suits the lawyers & judges) & I believe fraud is a crime. This misrepresentation or fraud is justified by the perpetrators by the self proclaimed belief that what they believe is always correct & they have a duty to impose their misconceptions on the public. They are the “know it all educated intelligentsia”. After all, we are just the uneducated, ignorant public and they must be sure that our beliefs are correctly formed to reflect the truth. We are not capable of evaluating the evidence therefore they should not give us reason to doubt reality as they see it.
Unfortunately, this rubbish, as the British might call it, not only feeds the anti gun hysteria but it has also infected our politics & our legal system. There is some hope on the horizon however. “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time”. The most recent election reflects the mood of the country. We also have organizations like the ATRA .
I have owned the same Remington 700 BDL in .308 since the 70\’s and it is my favorite deer gun. It is a wonderful piece and has never given me one iota of trouble.
Great piece, But I tend to stop reading when I see you putting your 2 cents in about Global warming, and this is not the first time, But there is no global warming, Facts prove it is the same as this article ….. Stop putting it in your articles, it just makes the whole thing bull…How about you just put facts in your articles…..
I know Jim. Your brain has been trained to shut off when something questions your reality, like the robots in Westworld. The truth is terrifying, but you are going to have to face it, or you’ll die when the pandemonium hits. Spend some time on this article and this website and you’ll quickly see why you should be putting some food away. When the big reveal happens, it is going to be ugly. That is why I do the prepping column, which I have to get back to soon.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/is-global-warming-an-inconvenient-lie/
While NBC is known to be demonstrably liberal in their news coverage and “analysis”, it is CBS that owns and broadcasts the “60 Minutes” program that you mention and is responsible for its content.
I have not believed anything broadcast on 60 Minutes since the exploding Chevy gas tanks (induced with incendiary charges when the desired results could not be obtained to match the story) I believe in the 1980’s. May be the original “fake news!”
The Chevy pickup was wired to explode on camera by NBC News. 60 Minutes was and is broadcast by their homies CBS News.
You refer to NBC in paragraph 5 and then get it correctly (CBS) later. Kind of undermines your piece right off the bat. Also, while Illion, NY is the traditional home for Remington, most of the production has long since left New York and occurs in the Southeast. I believe the Custom Shop is still in Illion.
Not sure why you bother with your “Snowflake” nonsense as it’s superfluous to what the piece is trying to say. Is gratuitously attacking 60 Minutes viewers much different than CBS attacking Remington? I realize the story is “preaching to the choir”, but the facts are strong enough that absent the Snowflake and Walking Dead insults, the piece might actually convert one or two of them. One of the problems I think we have is that the pro-gun and anti-gun sides just scream at each other. I suspect there’s a whole bunch of less vocal people who aren’t sure of what to believe and who might respond to more reasoned arguments.
Remington is no longer the company that created the iconic 870 and 700 and many other wonderful firearms. Unfortunately it was a victim of its own success, high costs, and less than stellar management. It fell on hard times and was “rescued” by the Cerberus private equity company. Cerberus has acquired a number of other related companies, often on the verge of failing, in an attempt to build a sustainable firearms related corporation. Any private equity company is in the business of buying weak, failing companies, managing them to maximize financial results and selling to another private equity company or taking the company public. It’s all about the $. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn’t.
In Remington’s case, I’d say the jury is still out, as now it’s simply a brand name in the Cerberus portfolio, And, unfortunately, along the way, their product quality has occasionally suffered as they moved and consolidated production and looked for ways to streamline methods. Their recalls attest to that. With so many brands, the focus on any single one, like Remington, is limited. Remington is no longer a true firearms company, it’s just a brand name.
There’s no question CBS did a hit job on Remington, just like the one that was done on Audi years ago with the “unintended acceleration” stories. It is indeed “fake news” and in this case Remington made a nice target given the anti-gun bias of the media. The initial premise of this story was that “Remington has been a primary and constant target of the fake media”. It would have been nice to see the references supporting this. It would have strengthened the point. Fox News, one of the less biased news organizations, preaches “Fair and Balanced” reporting. This story would have benefitted by such an approach.
The cache takes a while to regenerate. It was fixed a bit ago.
I am no fan of 60 Minutes and I distrust the media as much as any patriotic American should. In the mid-1980’s a friend brought his Remington 700 in 7mm magnum to my house in rural Alaska. He stated that there was something wrong with the trigger. I took the rifle to my private range, chambered a round, and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. I lifted my head from shooting position to say something to my friend and BOOM, the rifle discharged. I advised my friend not to load or shoot this rifle until it had been examined by a competent gunsmith. I don’t like 60 Minutes or the way they operate but then I don’t like corporations that make a defective, potentially lethal product who won’t admit that there is a problem with it. Since that event I have never owned a Remington 700 and I never will.
The rifle discharged about 10 seconds AFTER I pulled the trigger. Fortunately it was still pointed downrange. The ammo was brand new factory Remington. That is NOT supposed to happen.
The rifle discharged after you pulled the trigger? That shit happens to me all the time. It was probably hang fires from bad primers.
I don’t think we are talking about Iranian 8mm surplus ammunition here. Hangfires are not normal nor do they happen all the time Paul. But you’ll say I had better get back on the meds or something brilliant like that
That’s the thing Tom, a lot of time meds are actually involved. Think about the math. What would happen inside the mechanism to delay firing, and yet retain enough energy in the firing pin to punch the primer. Is it a timer? Is it gradually slipping off the sear for ten seconds? If you use your head, you’ll realize that it just doesn’t add up.
I don’t blame Remington for having no comment on 60 minutes because they would just twist it to go along with their storyline anyway. I’ve been shooting 700’s for 40 years and never had a problem. I could care less what Leslie Stahl thinks
If you repeat a lie often enough it will become the truth. I am sure that’s not an exact quote but it expresses the tactic that the MSM uses all day everyday.
The saying goes…,
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
” the fact that most of the news we have been fed for the past 50 years has been faked.”
What paranoid bullshit. I stopped reading right there. You lost all rational credibility.
Lol must eat brains must eat brains have none of my own.
I stopped reading after the bit implying that Arabs didn’t take down the twin towers. Was it the Shintos?
White men in suits actually.
Fake news again !!! Thanks, Remington for including the facts that were so conveniently omitted by 60 Minutes .
60 Minutes caused dramatic financial loses to Audi and subsequently to many auto manufacturers in its biased reporting of “unwanted acceleration”. This is not “fake news”, but extremely biased in an effort to damage reputations. Knowing the facts as they happened and the investigations following the incidents and not giving equal time should be a crime of exclusion and be punished by law along with a broadcast equal time retraction of the story.
Great writing, I like your perspectives.
This a perfect example of what the news media in this country is all about.enforcing their leftist agenda. 60 minutes is known for omitting facts in their stories.
Good article! Well written and informative. Love the facts.
I see people complaining about bias in the media all the time. So the way to deal with that is bias in the opposite direction? They say the liberals should use facts, present a solid case, then the author uses terms like ‘snowflakes’. Once a writer goes there I stop reading, you know like others do with ‘fake news’. Present your case in a logical and concise manner, not a biased hit piece, while ranting about the biased liberal media. Its called taking the high road.
And the idea Remington is some pillar of capitalism, maybe they were. But did the author forget the great Remington is now owned by Freedom group? They make great guns, oh yea except the R51 fiasco. And lets just forget they bought Marlin and fired all the skilled workers with decent wages to produce lower quality Remlins with cheaper workers. That Remington is also the company who gutted H&R, which no longer exists. Go look thru forums, are people raving about how Rem 870 shotguns have gotten so much better recently? Or how they have gone to crap? I don’t see people in forums saying how great their weapons are or how great the customer service is. So the Remington trigger is so great, is that why its subject to yet another recall?
For the record. In my opinion,60 minutes are a bunch of deceitful scumbags who bugger their parents and bosses. This has been an editorial.
Hey, at least I told you I was doing an editorial…………..
I have owned firearms for most of my life, both short guns and long guns, several of which have been manufactured by Remington. Included in these is my first rifle, a Model 544 single shot .22 that I acquired in 1956 and still have, it being in use on a weekly basis. I have fired countless thousands of rounds and have NEVER had any sort of malfunction. I, also, at one time owned a Model 788 chambered in .223. This rifle was a wonderfully accurate (as is the 544) and effective weapon. The calumnies 60 Minutes are attempting to foist upon the public is shameful and deserving of legal action. It is my contention that gun “accidents” are invariably precipitated by the advent of inattention and/or stupidity.
Sorry, Gentlemen, simply because it’s Big Green and simply because it’s CBS and simply because it’s the media does not mean that an element of truth is missing. Fact is, I also had a Model 700 (this, in 7mm Remington Magnum) that had this issue… On an intermittent level – and after I had cleaned the firearm from the receiver end – I would reinstall the bolt.. At that point the fire control system would – in fact – engage. This, without having to squeeze the trigger. So, yeah, the firearm would go off unexpectedly and that’s always disconcerting. The end result was that I contacted Remington which sent out a shipping box and label. The rifle was sent in for whatever repair was necessary, and when the Model 700 was returned I never again experienced the issue. Neither have I ever seen this issue with another Model 700 that I own, its caliber in .222 Remington. But dismiss the allegation, especially because I would like to believe that it’s all anti-Second Amendment bias? Not on your life.
So you are saying that there was an individual manufacturing problem with the mechanism? And that they put in the very same trigger and it never happened again, and that none of your other 700s with the same mechanism ever had that failure? Wow that’s mind blowing stuff you should make a youtube video.
I’ve lived long enough to see the full force attempt at the media and their puppet masters try and manipulate people and their way if thinking all over this globe! We see it everyday and it’s hard not to be manipulated in some way unless we really understand what’s going down. The snowflakes, as are called in this article are indeed real thought process manipulated individuals and those who have fallen for the follow me we will take care of you thought process however when their usefulness is done, they will disappear! I don’t want to say it, but inevitably we will be in a civil war not to far in the future, as most of us and our apathy to the real world around us, has gone on too long for anything else to probably work!
Arabs didn’t take down the twin towers??
Yea yea they did go back to sleep everything is awesome.
Again the news media have abused their power of telling the unbiased truth which they have not. They only told part of the story!
In Remington case…… don’t give the news media any more information! lies, lies lies Publish the findings themselves! Remington has tried to be the good Steward of their products! You can’t tell the truth any more !
To bad Remington couldn’t sue 60 min. for lack of full disclosure
Remington must file a defamation suit. Its been done before against 60 minutes when they defamed General Westmorland
EXACTLY!!
While there are those who would counsel Remington to “let this go and it will all die down”, I would agree with Mr. Hafetz and advise Remington to sue the living hell out of CBS and the individuals who were responsible for that hit-piece. In 1993, NBC faked a test on a GM pickup truck to make it look like a collision would cause the gas tanks to rupture and that a subsequent fire or explosion would readily occur. GM discovered that NBC had rigged the test and sued them for $100 million. NBC quickly backed down and did a lot of back-peddling all the way up to making public on-air apologies for what they’d pulled.
It must always be remembered that evil prospers where good men choose to do nothing.
Suing a news organization for defamation is an uphill battle for anyone in the public square. The Sullivan v. New York Times case set a precedent that you can only sue if malice is proven.
That being said, CBS News and the people at 60 Minutes specifically have lost court cases before. Gen. William Westmoreland won a public apology from them for inaccuracies which rose to the level of malice in the documentary “The Uncounted Dead” (Gen. Westmoreland relented from pursuing more actual damages out of concern for the correspondent Morley Safer’s health) and there are other cases where they’ve either lost in open court or had to settle privately.
Not that (as we’ve seen) this has prodded CBS News away from sensation-seeking crap. When my son died in an IED attack in Iraq, his wife declined CBS News’ request for permission to use his death in their programming, so their bothered me for six weeks, calling me again and again until I drew on my wide stock of parade-ground poetry and told them emphatically what I thought of them, their then-anchorman Dan Rather, their journalistic practices and general level of morality. My son’s death remained unused by anyone but Cindy Sheehan, who used it in her crusade against the war against our express wishes.