Josh Collins is a Sergeant for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office. He is also a student a Loyola University in New Orleans.
Recently, Collins attended class while in uniform and armed with his duty pistol. Apparently, he was busy at work — you know, serving and protecting the community — so he didn’t have time to go home and change.
While in class that day Collins put one of his peers on edge. Because, well, because he was armed with a gun! You know, one of those evil, scary firearms!
Yes, in case you’re wondering, hoplophobia (fear of guns) is so rampant at colleges and universities in this country that even uniformed law enforcement officers make students feel uncomfortable.
It gets worse. The student then went to the professor to complain about Collins and his exposed gun. Instead of telling this concerned student to sit down and shut up (and grow a pair), the professor phoned campus police to report the student’s complaint. To clarify, the professor — a man of serious erudition who is entrusted to educate students — called the campus police to inform them that there was a sheriff in the classroom!
As Loyola explained the incident:
A student in the class saw another student with a firearm, and during a class break said something to the teacher. The teacher contacted campus security to determine university policy. Campus security directed the teacher to confirm that the student with the firearm works in law enforcement. The teacher confirmed that the student worked in law enforcement and the class resumed at the end of the break.
Where is the common sense in this situation? He was in uniform! With his badge! It doesn’t take a professor genius to figure out that he works in law enforcement!
Yet, this is college we’re talking about, which means “feelings” come first, you know, before facts and reason.
According to Sgt. Collins, the professor asked him if he could “hide his gun” to help put the worried student at ease. Sgt. Collins, rightly, refused to comply with the request.
In a post on Facebook, Sgt. Collins talked about his experience with the professor.
You know, as a white male conservative, I have put up with a lot of prejudicial and biased comments directed towards me while attending Loyola University New Orleans. I usually think the comments are funny because the ideals of a 18 year old ultra socialist frankly are funny to me. But today made me sad for the youth and the college I have attended for 8 years. Given how busy we have been this past week, including today, I showed up to class late and was still in full uniform because I didn’t have time to change. Obviously, being in full police uniform, I was armed. This is the first time after having six previous classes that anyone became aware of my profession. Shortly after my arrival, a fellow classmate complained to the professor of their uncomfortableness of having an armed police officer in the class. Mind you, I have sat in the same class for the last six weeks in civilian clothing. My professor then called the police. Of course I was not privileged to either of these conversations as they took place behind my back. My professor then pulled me out of class and told me that he had called the police based on the student complaint The police obviously never came and told him over the phone that I was perfectly within the law.
First of all, what type of over sensitive indoctrinated liberal flower petals has this generation created that they are scared of going to school with a uniformed police officer.
Secondly, how ironical and dumbfounding is it that you called the police to tell them that there was a police officer sitting in your class. Loyola University, a Jesuit Institution, prides itself on its commitment to social justice. However, in creating an environment where everyone is accepted for who they are, you have now created an environment where I have been ostracized. As a police officer, I feel as though I must hide my profession in order to obtain a fair education.
Funniest of all, the title of the class is LAW AND MORALITY.
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I was going to go on a rant about how screwed up colleges and universities but then I came across this video featuring conservative columnist George Will. If you have time, watch it. He hits the nail on the head, for sure.
Heh heh, this is clearly a case of “Don’t think for yourself and question if it’s authority”
Being a professor at a college he should be familiar of the rules at this school. To me he’s just another liberal passing the bulk and not taking any responsibility. If he had known the rules of this college he could have let the student know the policies and not got anyone else involved.
I don’t usually comment on this kind of post, since everyone has the right to an opinion. This time, however, I have an outlook that might make sense.
I am a teacher in a neighboring city in Louisiana. I am also a Concealed Weapon Permit carrying man with two handguns that I use regularly at the range.
If this issue had come up during my class, I would have done exactly the same thing. That is, contact Campus Security since a CWP does not allow a person to carry a weapon on school grounds. But a uniformed, armed, active member of a local law enforcement agency. I don’t know. So I would have checked.
If I had not checked, and anything at all had happened concerning the use of that weapon that day or in future classes, would I have been held responsible to any degree because I did not check out the other student’s complaint? I don’t know.
It went off perfectly, and should not have even been reported further in the liberal news. Since the news did go after it, the headlines could have read, “Liberal Snowflake Got Their Panties In A Twist Because A Local Law Enforcement Officer Wore A Gun Ner Him/Her”
Totally agree. The headline on this article is misleading and inciteful. No One was “kicked out of class” Just because the guy is in “a uniform” , the prof needs to confirm it is Legit. One way a wacko could carry out mayhem, would be to impersonate an officer.The cop should have informed the professor when he came into class , by not doing so shows his arrogance.
The following paragraph clearly shows this is a non-issue, and the professor ought to be commended for looking into it with calm and careful communication. Sometimes you writers overshoot the runway in my opinion. Pull Up once in a while.
A student in the class saw another student with a firearm, and during a class break said something to the teacher. The teacher contacted campus security to determine university policy. Campus security directed the teacher to confirm that the student with the firearm works in law enforcement. The teacher confirmed that the student worked in law enforcement and the class resumed at the end of the break.
Uhm, he was part of the class so the professor had clearly seen him before. That and, you know, he was a uniformed officer. It only became an issue after a special snow flake complained, so your argument is false. It is BS. The professor caved to a special snow flake, and instead of just asking the officer, he went and called more cops. Oh yea, that sounds reasonable. Glad I was never part of any of your classes.
Hold on. Armed LOCAL law enforcement. You’re not sure that they can carry on your school’s property? Pray tell who would you call for help if the police had to take their guns, OC, batons, tasters, etc. off before coming to help you at your school? You’ve bought into the liability nightmare. “Can I be held responsible?” As long as you pass the buck, then you feel good. Well, let’s check how everyone else uses their head. Campus security approved, OVER THE PHONE, this idiot professor’s ability to determine if he was a legit cop. SO, I guess they can be held responsible, blame is off the prof. The sheriff trusted the cop with a gun, I guess he’s responsible not the prof. SO, have the prof, and you, get a career, and wages, where he or you no longer have to be responsible. You all want top wages, tenure, promotions, but no freaking responsibility to make decisions! Turn to the imbecile student, calmly, and say “If there was an active shooter on this campus, would you want the cop in your class, or not? Ask some dead Virginia Tech students if they wished more cops were around before a coward killed them. There Bambi, go back to your seat and try not to hurt yourself.”
I am British and if I was taking a class I would be more than pleased that we had a cop in class.
Stupid petty PC brigade.
Good to see the rules being applied equally. Now if they would just do away with it completely.
Ph.D. here.
I would have done the same thing as the professor did. Schools are supposed to havens of learning. They are not supposed to be places where you have to be frightened by someone dressed up in a manner intended to intimidate and carrying a firearm.
You have way too much faith in cops. They KILL PEOPLE without provocation and then, in what seems like most cases, the system refuses to hold them accountable. Same thing goes with tasering and beating people up. He probably wasn’t out “serve and protecting.” He was wearing inappropriate clothing, probably with the intent to scare people. Someone who can’t plan ahead enough to allow to allow for change clothes is an extremely poor planner. Not someone I want to be around, esp. if he has a firearm.
And, unless he took public transportation, he could have put the firearm in the trunk of this his care. But, apparently, he planned so poorly he either forgot to do that; Or didn’t plan far enough ahead that he wouldn’t intimidate his fellow classmates, than take 2 minutes to put his pistol away in a safe place that didn’t involve frightening his fellow students.
Liberal Snowflake with a PhD? Grow a set.
God! You are both morons!! He was a COP, A COP!! not a criminal. But to you he was? Because he had a gun?
I would be more than happy for a COP to sit in on any of my class rooms, even if he is a student, and especially in today’s world! Joe you should turn in your guns now so you don’t hurt yourself.
Ph.D? Hmm. ..you spell like a moron. The guy came in work clothes. After work…
Also, best not to leave weapons in unattended cars. Does your carer know you post on here?
PH.D.- Means Post Hole Diggers in your case. First of all, I got my masters at the University of Maryland. Our chief encouraged us to attend classes ON DUTY, IN UNIFORM. The 21st Century policing model calls for police to build trust in the community and engage in social events with the community. He was almost 30 years ahead of his time. Now what police killings without provocation, besides the South Carolina incident, do you have knowledge or facts of that prove the point you made. Or, does PH.D. mean you don’t need facts because it’s assumed you are some expert. Well, I you know what happens when you ass u me. And, after working on a university for 6 years, and bailing out prof after prof, I realize just how stupid some PH.D.’s are. I once saw an idiot with an organizational plate that was printed upside down by mistake by the state. The small writing at top was right side up which told everyone he belonged to MENSA. The problem was, his plate state and number were upside down, in order to make the reallllll itty bitty MENSA be right side up. I had fun with that one. I had the skill back then, but 30 years on the job and you can pretty much tell someone how stupid they are, without saying anything that would substantiate a complaint. You have to make it an art, because those people have an ego that won’t allow them to let being called an idiot go, unless you do it carefully and they only get it after a day or two.
SOUNDS LIKE A F—ING LIBERAL TALKING HERE!! WHEN YOU ARE A FIRST RESPONDER YOU CAN’T PLAN YOUR DAY, YOU IDIOT!!!
Although the schools are out of hand with the bs. I don’t see a problem with what the teacher did. They called and confirmed school policy, which is a good idea because the leftards may have some policy which says a uniformed police officer can’t attend class, or who knows these days what they come up with. When they determined it was cool, they went back teaching class. It’s called CYA. Something else to consider, it’s real easy to get a uniform.
True, so call the sheriff dept and confirm it. How did he end up confirming it? He believed the guy one has to assume. The sheriff didn’t write him a note did he? You can kill a lot more people undercover than in uniform. Had he walked in the class with a suit coat on no one is suspecting. He sits in class for 6 weeks, puts on a uniform once and goes through class until he gets yanked out to see if this is the day he secretly wanted to kill as many as he could? This CYA thing means “You are gutless with no brain. Show me where a uniformed local law enforcement officer can be banned from a location. If he’s a sheriff in that county, he’s in his jurisdiction. Even if he weren’t, I have provided training to LEO’s from all across my state in an airport with goofy TSA walking around. All of the out of jurisdiction cops have khakis and guns on. I was glad. I was so understaffed I may have needed them…
Just to think, who are the first to be called when there is an active shooter on campus? Any sane person and certainly any potential victim would welcome the fact that they have an armed and trained law enforcement officer in their classroom!
Just another example that proves how soft the younger people in this country have become. American values are circling the drain…..
Something similar happened to a detective that I know. Wearing a suit, he went into a small convenience store to purchase something small…a Coke or something. When he reached for his wallet, both his badge and pistol that were right next to each other on his belt became exposed to a concerned citizen, whom dialed 9-1-1 about a man with a gun in the store. Minutes later, uniformed officers raced up in squad cars with lights and sirens, converging on the store and their fellow officer from their same department, weapons drawn, asking him where the armed intruder was. He was the reported armed intruder.
People freak out at the smallest thing. It’s a tool and one that is required by his work.
Funny story though.
These fragile little cupcakes would be funny if they weren’t so damned pathetic. Personally, I am delighted when there is a cop nearby or even someone licensed to carry.
Well, today’s colleges and universities are not educating, but rather spreading liberal propaganda. Having said that, I believe the Professor did the correct thing. One must understand, he did receive a complaint, and just passed it up the ladder. Nothing wrong with that. Campus police then resolved the matter by instructing the professor to ask. Stupid as it sounds, it was correct. The stupid one was the student! I would rather have a police officer in my class, than to wait 5 to 10 mins for them to get there is something horrible should occur! The student was the idiot!
IF THE STUDENT WAS STUPID FOR COMPLAINING, THE DAMN PROF WAS DUMBER FOR LEGITIMIZING IT. You are one of the fence sitters. Idiot complaint, but I’d better act to keep my ass out of trouble……The kids today need cry rooms if an election that they didn’t vote in didn’t go the way they wanted to. 70 years ago our 18 year olds were storming Normandy Beach. I hope we don’t have any Normandys anymore.
Open carry is legal in most of Louisiana, but can be restricted by private property owners, such as the owners of a college campus. If you look at it from the perspective of being a student in that room, they all know that we have more American murders by Americans murdering other Americans than we have of any terroists killing us on our soil. The kid was freaked at the sight of the gun. I can understand that. He brought his concerns to the person responsible for safety in the room. That person didn’t know the laws of LA regarding guns. Most people don’t. He checked with a responsible source. What is the BFD?
We all should know if somebody is a real cop. But if you are concerned you are about to be pranked by an assassin, well, the among first rules of my Combat Handgun training says you “get off the X.” The student did. The teacher did. We gun owners/carriers have our rights. But if you think everybody knows guns laws, you are dreaming. If you think even all of the people who have commented on this article know the gun laws of LA, you might be surprised how many don’t.
I applaud the kid for speaking up. It took a pair. The teacher was doing his job.
Thanks for writing the article.
Theo older I get the more I find that the higher formal educated some people become in a specific area, the more idiotic they become in showing how much smartness they don’t have.
You were kidding, right?
Or are you one of those who believe that “Just because a person has a degree does not mean they have any common sense?” My answer to that would be that a degree documents that the person had the common sense to better themselves and accomplish the very difficult degree requirements that required a great deal of their person time and money, and the lost time they could have spent with their family instead.
So first let me say that I detest the idea of restricting my practice of any of my rights, especially the right to defend myself. But, If you are going to engage is such a deplorable act to begin with, its only right to do so equally. If you are going to dictate a victim producing zone, than by all means enforce it unilaterally. Law enforcement officers are simply citizens like the rest of us, and shouldn’t be provided any bias benefits by hiding behind a tin badge. If these ridiculous rules were not tolerated in the first place, then this fine officer wouldn’t have to be subjected to this pathetic behavior any different than any other citizen. Him being an officer doesn’t make this any more or less abhorrent to the peoples rights in general. It’s equally atrocious either way.
So, the first time you find yourself staring down the barrel of a 9mm semi-automatic because some thug wants something from you, you should start praying that another thug is nearby with a gun who has a great conscious and comes to your aide. After all, you’d take the guns away from the people who are there to assist the public.
Not sure I follow your theme. But if you’re saying a person with an ADVANCED degree has common sense all of the time because they got the degree because of some personal sacrifice, you are sorely mistaken. Some profs I know don’t know how to come in out of the rain. As they say, common sense ain’t so common.
Why didn’t they charge the professor with filing a frivolous report?Or maybe harrassing an officer of the law.
the profess0r and sutdens need an education! stupiity is no excuse1 officer in full uniform and still call security how dump is that professor? dumd enouh to think any gun control law will protect him or students from an isis fanatic from coming into the school and shooting people, when he doesnt have to worry about somone shooting back!
Violence rules, guns are cool and we’ve got guns, in our school
Violence rules, guns are cool and we’ve got guns, in our school
Just kiding but seriously, you know who shows up when you call 911 more cops with more guns . Was the prof hoping to get the cop in trouble. I think he d be punnished if he were in uniform with out his service pistol . Especially when the uniform is a target to some nowadays
SYSTEM ACCEPTED COMMENT BEFORE IT WAS COMPLETED…Last line should read: ’cause ’cause they have GUNS!!! Well little one so does the person killing your friends!
LOL what kind of moron call 911 for see police officer.
A university professor? This professor has no right teaching anyone if they do not know that a policeman, in uniform, has a gun…The day will come, oh yes it will, when one of your students has a compelling need for a cop…What on earth is wrong with you? You have taken a horrible situation and made it worse! The idiotic liberal pattern of erroneous beliefs have no basis in fact; admit it fool…if an active shooter is blowing heads off your little darlings does it not make you cringe knowing you have taught them that cops are dangerous ’cause ’cause they
As my father-in-law would have described the Prof…….. an “educated fool”.
Now let me get this straight. We have a police officer in class with his uniform and a pistol? So, the prof. calls the police. And if the police respond, ……. it will be with more officers in uniform, AND ALSO wearing guns??? I have only one word to respond to the “worried student”, and the dingbat professor. ……. Duh ………………
Did the special snowflake get a time out card to gather himself and a lollipop to pacify him? There was a story, not long ago, about universities giving out bags of goodies to pacify students who are stressed.
What is happening here? Colleges are supposed to be places of learning and reason, not emotion. Professors are entrusted with the education of students in logical and deductive thought, of critical thought.
This professor is an abject failure in this particular case. The Police officer was in uniform as is required of him, and having his pistol with him is part of that uniform. Yet, the professor refused to respect that fact.
No wonder we’re falling farther and farther behind in education. Our High Schools do not produce graduates capable of getting anything other than bottom level work. To get any sort of decent job, a high school graduate has to go to college. Why are our High Schools failing in the production of capable young adults? Why is College now needed to finish the education that High Schools have failed to provide? Maybe we are on the backside of the bell curve; and if we are, we put ourselves there.
I think that he was making sure that he himself would not be in trouble if he did not report it. Once done, and he got the okay, he brought his class back in session.
Yep, a simple ok, and he won’t be liable. Didn’t accomplish anything, because the prof asked the guy, and he said yeah I’m a real cop. So, if everyone in the end then got killed by a terrorist in a cop uniform, it would be a mess that you didn’t ask him if he was gonna kill everyone…….Your logic is the reason they will outlaw forks soon. Someone might stick themselves in the gums when they’re eating. At least all forks should have warning labels. That way the manufacturer of the fork won’t be liable. There, that makes it all better. Just ask a stupid friggin question and it’s better than than passing Go in Monopoly. Collect your $200. Remember when you have your oil changed at the shop to tell the kid doing it to not drink the oil. It’s not for human consumption you know. And after you tell him that, you won’t be liable.
Sorry, typing so fast I’m spelling liable, when it’s libel. By making that mistake, I’m liable to be libel
God help us. This is what this nation Has evolved into. I hope in the near future, law enforcement will just not respond to these people in their time of need.
Times have changed. As an auxiliary police officer and full-time student in a small university town in 1983, two officers and I responded to a shooting in progress that turned out to be an attempted murder/suicide. During the event and riding with the victim in the back of the ambulance to the hospital I got a fine spray of blood on part of my uniform. After the event I hoofed it to social ethics class without having time to change and arrived just after the bell. A hush fell over the crowd so to speak and no one said a word. I guess I shocked them being in uniform and armed with a .357 Ruger! After class I explained things to my professor who asked only that I try to not make a habit of wearing my gear to class. I grinned in the affirmative and never heard another word from anyone.
If you showed up to class not only in uniformed but armed, and with BLOOD on your uniform, then as a former Police Officer I am officially notifying you that you were ****ed up like a football bat.
What a bunch of whining cry babies. Grow a set and grow up. Lord help us, these people are never going to
make it in the real world. The professor and the student should book plane tickets to some s-hole of a country where
if you each lunch today you’re one of the lucky ones.
Methinks Loyola should indoctrinate its students and staff regarding the quasi-military history of the Jesuits. And the. Be proud of it!
Exactly right, methinks.
More and More I see just how warped and demented the teachers and some students are in colleges. Much as they are liberal, they do not have common sense and make poor leaders in our society. You can tell them easy by the people they support in politics. I heard there is a test for 3 years old that will determine if they will turn into criminals and have weak minds. Maybe they should adapt this for the college campuses and teachers! It seems they are being messed up in the brains – Maybe it is in the water or the stuff they are smoking these days??
I hope no one missed the subtle, insidious, and almost unnoticeable issue on this one: disarming the police. The liberal left wants citizens disarmed claiming we need only rely on law enforcement to protect us. We now see an example of disarming the police. This is is less about the cops and more about removing our protections from criminals. If Hillary would have been elected, I believe we would be seeing much more of this. Disarm law abiding citizens, then the cops, and all we have left to protect us is our government. Pretty scary, but this is the direction the left wants to go.
The student that whined should be kicked out of college as they are too damn stupid to earn a degree and the professor should be placed on probation for being equally stupid.
Sorry but you just don’t get it…. This student wanted to become a YouTuber to claim how he/she got a cop kicked out the class. This flaming lib’er wanted FAME by peers for this righteousness in smacking down authority. This was all for the immediate gratification of that student in getting one over on the establishment. The professor was likely scared for his job and feared the PC police coming to get him if he did nothing so he made the call – but however, this professor took it one step to far in asking a uniformed cop to hide his gun! But if during that class session a radical attacker was killing students/staff these same academia lib’ers would condemn this cop for not killing the attacker fast enough as it was his duty to risk his life to protect there’s. Hypocrisy run amuck.
A police officer in uniform and indemnifyed by the state in which he is employed, is in his rights to stay in uniform as a peace officer anywhere at anytime in his own jurisdiction, and especially at a school or hospital or any place he wishes to be. I am proud of this office, and I’m PROUD OF HIS DEPARTMENT For STANDING WITH HIM. ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD HAVE A Appropriate number of armed police officers on campus at all times.
The prof should have been arrested for making a phony 911 call.
Definitely. The University should have fired him as well. If you are that stupid, you shouldn’t be teaching.
Some teachers have very little common sense, they may be good at teaching a subject, but poses very little ability in other areas dealing with problems or reasons or relationships, Such as calling the police on a policeman. ( DOPE )….
Holy Cow, Kevin, John, MikeG. Did you cupcakes vote for Clinton as well?
You meant Trump right? The people you called out were defending the cop, and chastising the prof and student. Hillary does not defend cops. Trump defends cops. Joe I’m not sure you know this, but Trump was the man, Clinton is the woman. Clinton is the democrat, Trump ran as the republican. Just making sure you are following all of us correctly.
Sounds like the kind of professor and student that need a lesson of what could happen if they were attacked and there wasn’t an armed Officer or law abiding armed citizen to come to their rescue.
He was off duty and was wrong to do it. Badge, uniform means nothing. He needs to follow the rules. Not enough time to change? His problem. Bet you when someone told him they did not have enough time yo get their car registration renewed he probably said “well see if you have enough time to pay the ticket” ( he probably wrote). Professor was right to “follow the rules” make an appropriate call, Why do combat veterans have to get a license to carry firearms when they have a lot of experience using and handling weapons? Rules. Why did I have to check and secure my firearm when going into the Federal Building? Rules. He is no more special then anyone else.
Please tell me this is satire Mr. Holder??? You have to be joking?
He’s as warped as the professor. He was one of the worst AGs the US has had, next to Loretta Lynch. The law exempts police officers from the “no gun” rule anywhere, whether uniformed or not.
Holder is correct on two points. First Responders uniforms mean nothing , including cops, as they are always expected to respond to any emergency at any time whether on the clock or not, in uniform or not. In short, they are always on duty. They do have to follow the rules. Cops when responding to violence need to have the tools necessary to stop the violence. That tool is his gun, whether on the clock or not. That’s the rules.
Actually, a law enforcement officer is never really “off duty.” Otherwise, he would never be able to make an arrest when he is off the clock. But they can.
Holder, a police officer is a cop 24/hr. As many of the written comments here, both the student and the professor need a mental evaluation. With the US’s stupid gun laws that allow non-law abiding persons nd non-citizens to buy, own and carry firearms, I would feel very secure if I was taking the same class with Sgt. Collins. Too many American and foreign terrorists have used the college campuses to spew their hate with killings. You and the professor have said that a law enforcement person in uniform (on or off duty) is a threat. Would he have to take off his uniform if he was taking a class during while he was on duty? Would the campus police have to do the same? I hold the federal law enforcement officers to the highest level of authority and they should be able to wear their firearm everywhere, except around or near the President and other persons being protected by the Secret Service. You bring up another point, because the USA is the leading nation on gun violence, maybe the US should allow some Qualified combat soldiers to have a Conceal Gun Licinse. I am also against soldiers that have served in combat with known kills, to serve as police officers, Only on the SWAP type teams. Sadly, advance intitutions of learning do not teach common sense.
Cool story bro- except you’re missing the part where those “Rules” say a Uniformed Police Officer can carry a firearm on campus…
A law enforcement officer has the authority and the obligation to be armed on or off duty.
All Wrong a police officer is always on duty. If he sees a robber he will take action. When the world trade center went down all cops showed up. there duty time is when they are needed . and they do it because they swore to uphold the law, serve and protect! Not just on thier shift but whenever they are needed. maybe the student was a drug guy or user and didnt like the law present! THE students should be glad he was there. even out of uniform he will be armed and ready! THANKS OFFICER!!!
What rules/laws was he breaking? Open carry is allowed, except on school grounds. But, he’s an armed LOCAL law enforcement officer. On/off duty no matter. What rules did he break?
I hope that tutor was arrested, charged and fired.
This is an unfortunate product of de-education and mis-information over a sustained period of time in our society (clinton and obama administrations, at least!). Our new generation of people need proper first hand knowledge and a balanced understanding of all things relating to our society and being an American citizen- Which they do not receive in the general area of firearms or LE. All kids should have to do mandatory 2yrs in basic mil reserves training. Unfortunately the only thing kids know about guns, officers etc is what they are ‘fed’ through media and social media. And of course, stupid (very stupid) teachers like this one do not help matters at all. Find out that professor’s email and send him a “you’re stupid” message. (and he’s teaching a law related class? *face palm*)
We should ALL have the right to carry – open or concealed – not just a uniformed officer.
Awh gee, the cop was inconvenienced. He was upset about having to conceal his weapon. He was upset that the professor didn’t want him wearing his gun in class. Well, welcome to our world cop. But, of course he doesn’t believe the rules should apply to him Just to those of us who aren’t cops. Amazing how indignant cops get when the rules (laws) that are applied to the citizenry, are applied to them. See, tgatvsame cop, if herevwere called to campus, would have told you, you should habe gone home and changed. Being inconvenienced is not a giloodvreason, tmhe would have told you, for you to have a gun in the building.
Also shows the contempt they have for these rules (laws), when he says, “but, of course, i wasn’t going to do that” when asked to take his gun out of the classroom. ( You know, the WAY WE WOULD BE.)
HIS ATTITUDE IS THAT THE LAW DOESN’T APPLY TO HIM, EVEN WHEN A CITIZEN SHOWS DISTRESS AT HIM WEARING A GUN, IN A PLACE WHERE GUNS ARE NOT NORMALLY SEEN AND ALLOWED.
And yet, how many cops arrest and / or detain citizens daily on this same EXACT set of circumstances, DAILY, in this country. And they have zero concren about trashing our gun rights and Constitutional Protections.
I don”t wish cops harm, but i sure as hell don’t trust or respect them.
Exactly right/
I guess you really don’t understand how the law works. Uniformed officers legally can carry their firearm. The rule they attempted to enforce on him does NOT apply to him. That is the difference.
Furthermore, in case you haven’t read seen or at least paid attention to the news, Officers in uniform have become targets, and should have their firearm with them in case of an incident.
Could this Eric Holder be as willfully ignorant as our former AG?
Shame on you for making assumptions about him. You don’t have any idea where this cop stands on the issue of open carry, or anything else for that matter. You know what happens when you assume? The rest of the saying is certainly true regarding you.
Another stupid, ill-informed, cry-baby liberal who thinks he knows the law.
Maybe you should go to this college and learn how to spell.
The law that REQUIRES him or her to be armed? You mean that law?
yOU MIUST BE ONE OF THOSE TO STUPID TO KNOW BETTER GUYS
Small problem. He broke no law. If he did, what was the law. If his chief told him to go to class in uniform for community policing purposes, he can do so. I have cops from other states come armed to my classes. If he didn’t want to take leave to make class on time, and wear his uniform, you leave class, he doesn’t have to. Show us the law. Just google it pumpkin, it has to be there.
Who did they think would RESPOND to this 911 call? Another cop with a GUN!!?? What MORONS. The cop should ask the college for a refund.
My thoughts exactly. Then after they were all off duty they’d go have a coke and laugh at the stupidity of the whole thing.
So… Professor Lilly Liver calls cops on cop with a gun. More cops show up with guns. Is this not a great example of the law of unintended consequences that is the constant companion of liberalism?
I thought I had heard everything, but this “trumps” (pun intended) all of the stupidity I have been forced to endure in my entire lifetime, and that says a lot. I think all of the little snot ass brats and over sensitive punks need to just sit down and shut the hell up. I bet the little twirp would be glad to have an Officer in or out of uniform present in class if some gun totin’, bi-polar gunman came on campus and started shooting people. What is the world coming to? I am so sick of these tree hugging, yogurt and granola eating punks it makes me sick. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If not, stay at home and suck your mammas\’s titty. The rest of the world will not miss your sorry ass.
Well Mr. Pendry, You propose that seeing a police officer in class with his sidearm (which he is required to carry) is somehow breaking some “rule” about guns on campus shows just how completely you have been brainwashed in progress-liberal think. And then the most laughable part is the professor calling the cops on a Cop! If they had showed up, you would have then had several more uniformed officers with guns in the class room to further scare or upset your delicate sensitivities. It is truly sad that you can’t recognize the fact that your supposed indignation over this totally unnecessary situation is based on completely misguided political correctness to the point of lunacy. You “haters” of anything that doesn’t conform to your ridiculously uneducated in the real world opinions will be a great source of shock for you when you enter into the real world of living and making a living. grow a pair will you, cause you’re gonna need them!
I have a growing hope, a strong desire to whit that Global Warming is a real thing. If it is couldn’t we expect all these left wing liberal “Snow Flakes” to melt? to simply disappear? Isn’t that a reasonable hope? So what if the oceans rise, it just makes new beach front property. A world without snow flakes…ahhh passed the beer!
I have a growing hope, a strong desire to whit that Global Warming is a real thing. If it is couldn’t we expect all these left wing liberal “Snow Flakes” to melt? to simply disappear? Isn’t that a reasonable hope? So what if the oceans rise, it just makes new beach front property. A world without snow flakes…ahhh passed the beer!
What a dummy! I guess he doesn’t know that an officer is required to wear his duty weapon when he is in uniform, no matter what he is doing or where he is. He is supposed to be ready to enforce the law at any time. Something he swore an oath to do when he was hired. This idiot would be the first to call the police if he was in trouble. what is he going to do, ask them to come help him but leave their weapons in the car? He needs to get a clue. of course, he is probably a 30+ years old professional student who lives at home where 70+ year old mommy and daddy can protect him while he lives in their basement not paying for any of his own support.
Fine. When police have special rights, you have a police state. This is no different than allowing cops to have standard capacity magazines in states that outlaw them to mere citizens.
Could not agree more. It is a Right Reserved to the People. Not just a select few.
And you are a stupid idiot! Obviously, you are a Clinton whiner. Grow up, and grow a pair of balls.
Do you have trouble distinguishing between rights and responsibilities?
Special rights? No, it is the requirement that accompanies the occupation.
I would like to have witnessed this. I can imagine a scenario like the following.
Student complains to professor.
Professor thinks “What a dingbat!” and calls campus security just so he can tell the student that security says it’s fine.
Student is righteously indignant but can say nothing else.
Case closed.
But the fact that he professor then asked him to hide the gun makes me think the professor is at least as much a dingbat as the student.
What that professor should have done is told the complaining student that he understood his uneasiness and send the student to the Loyola’s safe place, give him credit for that day’s attendance, and of course send him for PTSD counseling……. Oh, and allow him to skip his mid term exam. Ridiculous. See what 8 years of Obama has created.
What??? No coloring book?
Don’t forget the participation ribbon. Everyone gets one of those….
A ding-bat professor(or was he an educator?) or another confused intellectual?
My guess is that this “professor” must be skewed to the idea that academics deserve
immunity from murders and terrorists. Wishful thinking.
The professor did the right thing initially guys. He called security (not 911 or “the cops”) and asked what school policy was. If he was unsure that’s exactly what he should have done. School security told him if he was indeed an officer it was okay. So after that is where it broke down. If the presence of the armed officer was disrupting the class I MAY have asked him to leave his duty weapon in his vehicle next time or not come to class in uniform, may not. Depends on how much of a disruption it was. Sounds like this was just one student, who I just might have told to suck it up. May have been a good discussion starter for that particular class though. Maybe the student was fearful of the class being targeted because a police officer was in attendance? In any case, no one should be concerned about a legitimate officer in full uniform in a class room — armed or not. Have some respect!!
I’m not so sure about mandatory service. I think that would seriously hurt military budgets. Having kids attend basic training and a couple years of Nation Guard or Reserve service is a better idea with a lot less impact on budgets. Heck, they don’t really need to be paid while in Basic… not regular military wages anyway, just enough to get needed personal items and such while there — though those could be issued. It’s not like they have anyone to support (in most cases), and everything they really have to have is provided. Would give them all a kick in the pants before going to college.
If he was in uniform, he is REQUIRED to carry his duty weapon – he would be in deep doo-doo with his captain if he left it in the car.
Maybe he should have taken the professor and complaining student and locked them in his patrol car for the duration of the class.
It is a shame that uniformed officers no longer automatically receive the trust of our communities. It does seem that the situation, as silly as it seems to most of us; was handled with a minimum of fuss. But a couple of quick thoughts…
While the officer should normally have his weapon with him, when in uniform, there are exceptions. Most courthouses prohibit officers from being armed while in the building; even in uniform. Likewise, officers are not allowed to be armed while in jails. Now, I wouldn’t leave my gun in my car while in uniform, and in a public place. But officers often remove their uniform shirts and gun belts when stopping on their way home. A tee shirt, pants, and a concealed weapon likely wouldn’t have been noticed.
I went to college in uniform, on duty, with the chief’s permission. Sometimes as many as 8 of us were in uniform in a class of 30 or so. We had to to get each other through a graduate level statistics course. I got an A. Therefore, because I’m a statistics genius, I’m going to ask a question. How many school shootings have taken place in a classroom where there was an armed uniformed police officer inside the classroom? Again, as a statistical genius, I’m going to say not 1. If I’m wrong and there has been 1, the odds are by far (There I go with statistics again) that you are better off in a class with armed friends, then unarmed fellow victims).
If the student feels uncomfortable w/armed sheriff’s officer in class, how would she feel if someone disrupted her class armed and take her hostage? Would she feel comfortable with police and sheriff officers arriving to the scene WITHOUT THEIR FIREARMS? Just asking
The stupidity, the stupidity.
@Nextfreeman- Actually he would not have been subject to 2 years in prison. The prohibition of guns in the school ends at high school. There is no national law preventing carrying on a college campus. Now, the college may have a no-firearms policy, but that does not carry a mandatory minimum 2 years in prison as you erroneously assert. Save the cop-hate and exercise your own rights as he did.
Wow how things have changed in the last 50 years. I bought my first pistol from a campus cop while attending Arkansas State College (now University) back in 1965. He was an old timer who roamed the halls of the dorm and we’d talk guns when he came around. I had told him I would like to have a good pistol if he could find me one. Well a couple of weeks went by and he showed up with a Smith and Wesson Model 20 (called the 38/44 Heavy Duty) and informed me that the pistol was for sale and it actually belonged to a Arkansas State Trooper. He informed me that a Pacific Wax Bullet Kit came with it and the two items could be had for $40.00 dollars. I gave him the forty and took possession of the pistol there in the dorm and he watched me as I put it in my closet. I don’t even remember him telling me to take it home. Fact is, several times I went home over a weekend with a friend from Little Rock and he and I went to the bauxite mines to shoot, so I know it was in and out of my room for that year anyway. I still own the weapon and it shoots really well.
I teach in a public school in Louisiana. I would be honored to have you attend my class!!
The events depicted are true. Some names have been changed or omitted to protect the idiots.
The irony here that most Americans are unaware of, including many law enforcement officials is that had he been concealed carry armed in blue jeans as an out of state student, the complaint would still have been baseless in law. In 2004 President Bush signed “HR218” or the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act into law. The irony part comes from President Obama’s enhancement and broadening that law as the National Defense Act in 2013. In a precursor to a hoped for federalized police nationwide, any active duty or retired law enforcement officer who is credentialed and certified may carry a firearm in all fifty states regardless of state law they are carrying in. Yes, even California or Massachusetts where breathing can be seen as a violation of some state statute (obvious sarcasm about the breathing I hope).
I won’t waste space here but search for HR218 to see the evolution. I am a now retired law enforcement officer that began service in 1976. Pursuant to said law, I am credentialed and certified and carry a federal referenced ID card which paired with the ID card from my home state grants that privilege. The only prohibitions are the same as imposed on all federal officers such as airlines, federal court buildings, etc. I myself was shocked to find on retirement that this federal law applied to me. To be clear, this is not in my view a great thing as it only is one of many examples of how close this nation came to seeing fruition of many Orwellian laws and agencies had Obama’s “game plan” been furthered by the election of Secretary Clinton and her running to further the Obama agenda.
It’s mandatory 2 yrs federal prison for anyone else to busy to go home and put their gun away. Uniform or not untill their is equality amongst citizens then i support the actions of having said sherriff removed from class. He could of and should of left his battle gear in the car. It was established his job was finished for the day. Was this his jurisdiction? Most likely not. I had a similar situation when going to college. It was not fear of the gun it was about equality of being able to carry in the classroom. Said cop was removed from class never to return. Law abiding conceild carry people are ran up the flag pole at any given chance by those boys in blue so what is the difference?
So…faaaiiirrrrness trumps common sense for you…what a dipshit you are. I’m sure the next time some friggin’ whacko comes on a college campus to gain his 15min. of fame for mass-murder he will look around the class room and say to himself….gee, no armed cops in here, I won’t shoot these pencil-necked libtards because they are obviously very fair-minded little sheep, I’ll go find a classroom with an armed cop sitting in and do my dastardly deed there where its more deserved….Did you have a bad experience with a cop once upon a time?…guess what, me too, but I’m not going to throw out common sense just because of that. You are overlooking the real problem, and that is that libtards dominate the educational system in this country and that IS the root of the decline in this country.
Hey, Nextfreeman if you are going to debate an issue, you can only use facts to make your point. I still am amazed at functionally illiterate people such as yourself can not learn the use of ‘to, too, and two’ because it changes whatever the hell your point was.
First, what ‘mandatory federal law are you talking about?’ There is no such law. Second, many law enforcement officers are required to carry 24/7, on or off duty. The third point is that batf/FBI personnel are suspended without pay if their weapon is stolen, and they must locate the weapon to be considered for reinstatement. So, leaving his ‘battle gear’ in his car is stupid and dangerous. Was it an uc vehicle? Marked b/w vehicle? Fact is you don’t know. I do not know of ANY le officer who would leave his gear in a car. You sir are a dumbass, and the biggest lie in your story is that you went to college. In you whining paragraph you had 12 misspelled words or grammatical errors. Really, ‘ran up a flag pole’ ? Jesus, I wonder how long you stayed awake taking a stab at spelling concealed? Why would a guy going to college in his own jurisdiction be odd? Further non-collegiate proof is your cupcake statement about not being equal to and armed le officer? Guess what…. you aren’t! You don’t have to like it, but your story is bullshit. I’ll donate $1,000 to your favorite charity or pay for your tuition to and eighth grade level spelling class if you can substantiate where, when, who was removed from a class for the reason you state. I’m ambivalent towards LE because there isn’t a damn thing I can do about their tactics, and sometimes I might feel a bit better if there were a uniformed officer in my kids class.
So, let’s recap. I live in the only state that legalized pot as of today, our AG outright banned the sale of any ‘black gun’ yes she used those words, and the next day clarified that the sale of any pre-ban long gun that was magazine fed was illegal. So when I read about some snowflake who you evidently agree with about feeling unequal, get your damn facts straight about your ‘story’ and stfu until you can. I live in a state that I may not buy 90% of what Smith & Wesson makes 30 miles from my house, yet as of today I am allowed to smoke a 10 foot bong in my front yard. Grow a pair, learn to spell, stop pretending, and help states like us be able to own a black gun. You truly are a dumbass.
U STUPID.
Oh shut up you snowflake. Anybody without the common sense to realize that having an armed cop in your vicinity is a positive thing for everyone in the immediate area deserves getting your precious feelings hurt. Here’s a referral (discount included) to the professional and certified Suck It Up Buttercup Counseling Services.
For those of you who have heard “Why do you carry a firearm?” “Because a carrying a cop is too heavy”, this is as close as it gets!!!
I am agahst and deeply saddened by the ignorance of folks who would not be honnored to have a police officer in class. I bet they would not have complained if he had to step up and put his life on the line (as he does everyday he goes to work) to defend them if a person had entered the classroom or campus to assault or kill them. During Viet Nam I was stateside and atteding college when not on duty. Sometimes I went to class in uniform (class As and no weapons) as I did not always have time to change into my civies. This so ticked off students and faculty that I as well as others were ORDERED by our CO not to wear our uniforms while atteding class (as if having a high and tight hair cut in those days did not make you stand out anyway). I was and am proud of my service even after being spit on and called a baby killer. Ignorant jerks like those in the afore mentioned university and others like it are all too happy to take all the benefits provided by the constitution ignoring the fact that police and military are the ones that are charged with making sure they can safely enjoy those rights. I for one would be honored to sit next to that officer were I in that class
Life isn’t fair either. You also make zero sense. His “battle gear” as you call it, is what he is required to wear in most states when a certified officer is in uniform. Period. Whine, cry, whatever, it is what it is. While representing his position even if only displaying a badge, he or she is required to have the equipment that MAY be required to perform their duties in an emergency. I don’t know… Maybe a shooting on campus? You know, that happen ALL the time?
What would they do other than commit suicide if shots rang out while in class and they had no way to stop an offender other than saying “stop, police!” and then what, you throw a pencil at them? It’s critics like you that obviously have a hardon for cops or wanted to be one and never could cut the background check or psychological testing that make all gun owners look unreasonable and in fact, out of touch with reality. Get over it or maybe take a massive cut in pay and put YOUR life on the line every day just so others like you can criticize everything you say and do. Until you do that, you only make yourself look ignorant when you make non-sensical posts like you did.
You obviously didn’t learn any spelling or grammar in school. Probably because your brain was fried.
You must be drawing attention to yourself for poor reasons. 28 years on the job, policeman to chief. NRA Life Member, and I provide the legal talk for many concealed pistol permit holders in Michigan. If you get run up the pole for slinging an AR-15 over your shoulder to attend the 4th of July parade in your jean shorts and tank top, then yep, I can see that happening. But until then buttercup, you don’t have the privileges I and many officers do. You don’t have the secret level clearances required of many exec police jobs in certain departments, nor the training. The emotional control is also a question with you so I’d be hesitant to grant you a permit. Based on you feeling depressed that you can’t get all of the rights I have, even though you have no formal education on the use of force other than a few minutes of some attorney or one of us talking to you in a class. Not everyone can get a participation ribbon “LessThenFreeman”
On Draino’s comments, its CUPCAKES ! I agree with all you stated All the snowflake’/ CUPCAKES, get over yourselves, if everything offends you, go live in Canada, Russia, or even Saudi Arabia, or anywhere but here. Do the MOMMIES of the snowflakes/ CUPCAKE’S also bring them the toilet paper and help the snowflakes/ CUPCAKES wipe?? Lord, please help..
It seems to me that the “offended” student should have been the one ejected from the classroom. I firmly believe that, especially in today’s anti-cop climate, every police officer should be armed at all times!
I completely agree. Armed ALL the time. AND this student was clearly harassing the police officer (on duty or not) and should be prosecuted fully. This type of behavior by these snowflakes HAS to be ended. The professor and the school should be fined for harassment as well. At the very least, publicly shamed for this atrocious behavior against police officers.
They probably belong to “black lives matter,” too.
We must understand that the Snowflake indoctrination starts in K-12 schools. The Gov is well aware that most student will not go to secondary education.
What happens if the USA gets involved in a large conventional war and we run out of Republican volunteers for military service?
What happens? Something that should have been happening all along – mandatory military service. If you live in this country and receive all the rights, privileges and benefits associated with citizenship then you damn well should be required to perform at least two years of active military service. Too damned many loafers and other “entitled” individuals are sucking this country dry and not giving back to help ensure the safety and well-being of its citizens. The term “free ride” comes to mind.
I agree 100 percent on the mandatory service
I believe the correct term for these mamby-pamby pansies of todays modern society is “Snowflakes”. They have no resistance to anything at all, therefore they melt at the first sign of confrontation or adversity or anything they deem even slightly threatening, including the govt and law enforcement. They have no ability to reason or think past their current “feeling”, whatever that may be. They will probably the biggest obstacle to overcome in returning our society to traditional values and manliness….back to a society of right and wrong and off the sliding scale morality train. The fathers of these snowflakes should be taken out and horse whipped while the snowflakes watch.
….And the snowflake professors should be horse whipped also. What a moron. He was just trying to blow this whole thing out of proportion.
Wonder why these weaklings are not afraid of cars? Cars kill people, as do many other things. They have not gotten the message that people kill folk!