The Department of State is issuing new guidelines requiring many machine shops and gunsmiths nationwide to register with ITAR. The cost? $2,250 per year. ITAR, or International Traffic in Arms Regulations, are designed to prevent firearms and firearm technology from being exported out of the country.
But the actual reason behind this sweeping change in guidelines may have a darker goal: to increase the cost of offering gunsmithing services. The changes were implemented without warning or input from the people and the industry.
ITAR requires that “Anybody who engages in the business of ‘manufacturing’ a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year,” explains the NRA. “These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, ‘only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article’ is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered ‘engaged in the business’ and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.”
The changes to the rules now include just about anything other than installing drop-in parts as “manufacturing.” This means that any service that requires cutting, fitting or ‘special tools’ is considering manufacturing. If these companies wish to continue offering these services they will need to pay an additional $2,250 per year in fees.
In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; andh) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.
Thus installing a same-caliber replacement barrel on an AR rifle would not be considered manufacturing, but reaming a .223 Remington chamber to .223 Wylde would be. Similarly, installing an aftermarket trigger in a rifle is not manufacturing, but tuning an existing trigger is.
Even then the guidelines are vague, limiting “gunsmithing” to only work that doesn’t “improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation beyond its original capabilities,” leaving a lot up for interpretation.
This is likely to have a significant impact on smaller business who offer these services who can’t or don’t want to squeeze the extra cost out of their budgets. It will also affect the general consumer as shops that do will have to raise the prices of their work.
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That’s exactly the point of the new regulations, says the NRA. “DDTC’s move appears aimed at expanding the regulatory sweep of the AECA (Arms Export Control Act) [and] ITAR and culling many smaller commercial gunsmithing operations that do not have the means to pay the annual registration fee or the sophistication to negotiate DDTC’s confusing maze of bureaucracy.”
And shops that offer these services are going to really want to make sure their paperwork is in order, since the punishment for violating ITAR is steep.
“Additionally, the penalties for violating ITAR are significant and able to be applied retroactively,” writes Prince Law’s Adam Kraut. “Penalties for each violation of ITAR can result in up to $1,000,000 in fines and 20 years imprisonment.”
It’s not clear if these businesses will have to retroactively pay for ITAR registration if they are already engaged in “manufacturing” firearms. If so, the cost of registration could be even higher. And it could take some time for these businesses to comply with the new regulation, putting them at real legal risk between now and then.
The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls or DDTC, which drafted the new regulations, has a response team set up to help businesses navigate ITAR waters. For information on how to contact the DDTC and to see the regulations in full, check out the guidelines letter (.pdf).
Better still, potentially ITAR-regulated businesses should have an attorney contact the DDTC for them.
But these rules only apply to those who gunsmith or manufacture “articles of defense” ..
As I sit and read all of your comments it scares me that as gun owners we cannot be more united. These kind of tactics that the so-called law-makers and political hacks have been using for over 80 years. Little by little they have eroded our rights and gun ownership. There are over 100 million gun owners in the USA. WHY are there only 5 million of us willing to spend $35 a year to belong to the only pro-gun power force we have in the NRA. I hear these stupid hunters say ” there not talking about taking away my hunting rifle” why should give them my money.” How stupid can anyone be? All you have to do it to look at history and see how they did it in Great Britain and Australia. They started with banning certain guns and it lead to registration and confiscation of all guns. Are gun owners that stupid? We must stop any law that starts down the slippery slope of banning anything associated with firearms. Support politicians that are pro gun and groups that have the best pro-gun attorneys on their payroll. Can you imagine the power 100 million gun owners voting for someone who is on our side. That is more voters than the total that voted in the last presidential election in total. We have 1 choice here you must vote for TRUMP. I know he is not ideal but he IS the only choice here. Tell everyone you know to get out and vote this year, or we will be Fucked in 4 months.
Sign this petition. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar
This obviously is an attempt to put gunsmiths out of business. The laws involved with ITAR are very complicated, in most cases vague, with very (VERY) serious penalties if one decides to ignore them. Not only is there a fee that is a major expense for any small business, to understand and keep up with the laws involved one practically needs a lawyer on staff to interpret, and to handle all the paperwork.
I have written to both my Senators and hopefully they will
answer me and verify the veracity of such article posted on the web.
thank you very much
Doc RIO
This is indeed sad. I’m sure hand loaders are in the cross hairs soon. What is a more time honored respected fellow than our “village” gunsmith. Many genius’s that are actually the ones that are constantly improving our arms. Would the current M-4 be what it is today if gunsmiths didn’t see promise in the shaky start of the m-16? Screw Obama!!!
LET’ S FACE IT!!! HELLERY IS AN OBNOXIOUS LIEING BITCH AND A COMRADE OF THE LIEING BASTARD BILLY. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT GIVE ANY TRUST WHATSOEVER TO ANYTHING SHE SAYS!!!! SHE HAS PELOSI, FEINSTEIN, BOXER, BROWN, SCHUMER, BLOOMBERG, HEALEY, BILLY, AND OTHER ASSHOLES TO ASSIST IN HER EFFORT TO MAKE AMERICANS DEFENSELESS AND DISARMED!!!!! THE DEFENSELESS AMERICANS INCLUDE OLD, DISABLED, POOR, AND THE YOUNG AND HEALTHY!!!! A YOUNG AND HEALTHY PERSON WOULD NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO EVADE ROBBERY, RAPE, PHYSICAL ASSAULT, ETC. IF THE ATTACK CONSISTED OF THREE MEAN GUYS AGAINST ONE YOUNG AND HEALTHY PERSON!!! I TRULY HOPE THAT MANY OF THE DEFENSELESS VICTIMS VOTED FOR HELLERY !!!! AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT BELIEVE SHE WILL BE ELECTED.
IF THERE IS A PRO-GUN DEMONSTRATION IN D.C., COUNT ME IN. ALSO, HELLERY WOULD BE SURE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WAS STACKED IN HER AND BILLY’S FAVOR AND IN FAVOR OF THE GUN CONTROL ANTI-SECOND AMENDMENT BASTARDS LISTED ABOVE!!!! THIS WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE A TRIP TO D.C.!!!! IT WOULD BE A BURDENSOME TRIP BUT IT WOULD BE WORTH IT IF WE KEPT OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Damn that worthless son of a bitch in the Whitehouse!
This is just more or Obamas means of trying to get control of the guns that Americans have to stop Tyranny! This why ot is in the constitution and for no other reason! You control the parts and you control the manufacture of the guns. Then they have the names of each company manufacturing gun parts. I call it B*** $h*t like everything this administration has done including the
executive orders. I hope people wake up to what is going o
How about telling bozo potus bamma to GO F*CK HIMSELF. I sometimes wish clinton wins the presidency then I will do like some of hollywood’s famous said they will do if Trump wins and move out of the country I will move to TEXAS, I know but cher said the same thing but she was going to go to Florida!
If we let this stand, we’re done. Obama thinks he’s king. Constitution be damned. At what point do we say ENOUGH? I’m wondering if we have enough people in this country with backbone enough to save it. Every time the king does something like this and nothing happens, I get more doubtful.
Hello!! Obama just REALEASED THE ARMS EMBARGO WITH VIETNAM!!! This means U.S. weaponary manufacturers can now export to our enemies, that our soldiers fought against! We know poor third world Vietnam is just going to be the middle man intercepting expensive American high tech weaponary for China that is right accross the boarder! Yet the BATF was caught breaking their own rules by smuggling firearms through Mexico when the operation Fast and Furious back fired on them! WHEN IS AMERICA GOING TO DEMAND JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE LAW BRAKING GOVERNMENT!!!? RATHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT STEAL FROM EVERY PERSON AND COMPANY BY CREATING MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR NO JUST REASON???? AMERICAN IS SINKING FAST, PROSPERTY, HEALTH, FREEDOM, YOU NAME IT! TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU!
I am one of the owners and the master gunsmith of a small gun shop. this is going to put me out of busies or put me in jail. has this been passed or does it still need to go through the house?
Us too… This is such CRAP! SOMEONE HAS to do SOMETHING!!!
Not law a regulation, shoved down our throats
And the government asks a question they already know the answer to
What you gonna do about it?
I would like to know the names of these people that are doing this beside beside ob
Would’nt this be in conflict with the Firearm Owners protection Act of 1986 which was made to protect producers and dealers of firearms from government over regulating the firearm industry ?
As with all overreach by president Obama’s bureaucrats this rule change will settle in court. Let’s hope someone from within the 5th Circuit’s jurisdiction is the first to challenge this blatant creation of law by fiat.
Can this country get back to normal. Yes, TOO MANY WERE sucked in to the word “CHANGE”. Change can be good or it can be bad as the current PRESIDENT has made it. These regulations are a perfect example of HOW WE DESTROY BUSINESS in the USA. Companies that make reloading things will be affected, and with WISHY WASHEY regulations, only Washington will make the decision of who is destroyed and who gets by with whatever they are doing.
I thought that congress never approved that treaty? Why would we abide by an unsigned treaty? Well Obozo and hiz all monkey circus in DC will be gone in a few months and the next president can wipe out ALL of his executive orders with a swipe of a pen but it won’t happen if the winner is Hellary. What are you going to do in November?
Think Trump will do it????
Rotflmao
Fool
Bend over here it comes again
ejharb, You can roll on the floor, laugh, or whatever you want to do, that is up to you. Just as sure as Heaven and Hell, Hillary won’t do one single thing to help you in regards to your gun rights. The only hope anyone has at this point is Mr. Trump, that is if you’re expecting someone in D.C. to help you.
Doesn’t matter,he will lose perhaps intentionally and if she wins we all have a choice to make. Don’t we??
I hate to say it but the send the politicians an email over our positon on something because the reply email states they never have time to look at them because of the overwhelming responses.
Its time to rally the troops B&G and camp out on these elected assholes doorsteps until they hear the will of the people. It’s the squeeky wheel that gets the grease.
We have been quiet and have not demonstrated in MASS our resolve to positive change about 2A rights.
Stand up and FIGHT or forever live on our Knees.
An obvious over-reach. If a machine shop isn’t producing anything for international shipment, then ITAR doesn’t apply. Just as interstate commerce regulations do not apply to goods manufactured and sold with-in a state.
better hope Trump gets President because if Hillary does we can kiss our rights and America goodbye forever and our Children and Grandchildren and theirs will be living under tyranny for eternity if not fought against!
And if you think Trump will save you.
I got a bridge you can buy.
Always pick the lesser of all evils hillbag is after our 2a rights period wish I had more choicespp
Had several good choices and one great choice but that ship sailed.
They managed to pick the best canidate to lose to the crone
After the dumbocrats destroy our rights and ability to stand up in this country and defend our self from the bad elements and rules they created. I wonder if any one of them ever thought, who is going to stand up for them? Mr. Bad Odor should think about this. If only he had the capacity to do think for himself.
It won’t stop until the second amendment has been gutted and our right to bear arms has been removed from our cold dead hands.
Vote Republican!
well i don’t know if we will stand for this.i fought for this country you won’t gut the 2nd amendment i won’t stand for it
I disturbs me to hear Americans infer that they’re sitting back and waiting for their rights to be nullified, by a rogue government. Imagine how European this country would be if our colonial predecessors had sat back, as if spectators of a sporting event, while King George chiseled away at their freedoms.
Americans have a duty to resist. Non-compliance, and other acts of civil disobedience are in order, not just spectator ship. As it stands, voting, by itself is not going to change anything; not when the system has been rigged, to allow participation by folks with conflicting interests.
At some point we will need to rise up and actually put up a fight. Let it start before the minds of our next generations have been completely corrupted and we’re no longer Americans.
I most certainly agree with Dr.Clyde. I have been contracting on an US military base, medical discharge enlisted man myself, and every solder I’ve spoken to agrees with me. We must show a common will to stop the tyrannical destruction of our CONSTITUTION as a whole or in part. The 2a is critical. Pry it from my cold dead hands. “Those who pound there guns into plow shares will work for those who do not! ” Andrew Jackson? 2a s purpose is to keep government in check and to defend our nation against enemies both foreign and domestic. ….
Oh, but it’s alright if Eric Holder and his democrat Boyfriend’s send guns to Mexico . Another bullshit reason for them to cost gun owners even more $$$ . This new law, is in itself racist because these high fees prevent mostly minority business owners from being able to have a legal affordable gunsmithing shop. My point being is that many minority groups are in an extremely lower income bracket, and thus cannot afford these bigoted fees . But a rich White person can . Just thought I’d mention it. This is a generalization of a wide spectrum of Americans high & low income .
All gun laws have been created to prevent the poor, or in reality the black man, from obtaining guns or making any modifications to them. Look back in history and you’ll find one of the very first gun law was put in place just after the civil war, right after salves were freed. The $200 tax for certain firearms items was created to prevent the lower class and yes, the black man, from obtaining such arms. I am white, I am Republican, and Conservative. I am a lifetime NRA member, a GOA member, as well as others and I spend a lot of time writing congressmen about our gun laws. These things effect us all and even though I could afford the cost of the tax and increase in tooling, I would rather not. This will force many to do for themselves and possibly getting it wrong putting themselves and other around them in danger from a poorly done mod.
I agree that it would be a reality that people would try to do the gunsmithing themselves and possibly hurt themselves or someone else. These laws that they are trying to pass are just another infringement to the 2nd amendment. They are always welcome to hold the American citizens accountable for their own actions, so you should be. So who is holding our politicians accountable for their actions. NOBODY!!! But you better believe that they will make anything they want and sell it to the highest bidder, no matter what country they are from. Even our own enemies. Then they use it against our own troops. Politicians don’t care, as long as they get paid. I swore an oath to the citizens of this country to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I will uphold that oath until my death. SEMPER FI!!!!!!
Your statement that rich white people can afford this is itself, racist. Rich people and corporations can afford it, but for you to add race into the equation illustrates and evinces that you are the bigot. I suppose to you Black Lives Matter and White Lives Don’t. And there is no prejudice in the title in your mind. You are the problem with this country. Stop playing the race and victim card. This law is unfair and created by a Black President. As a white person, under your reasoning and mentality, I should be crying racism, by your Black run government. Please, get a life.
This rule (not law because it was not passed by Congress) is also discriminatory against the elderly. I am a retired gunsmith who keeps his hand in as a hobby. Under these rules, my pension does not provide enough for me to register. It is also discriminatory against the small gun shop owner, requiring them to forego any gunsmith work due to the expense.
But, with this rogue administration I guess that is the intention.
I must have been goofing around in Junior High Civics class when the teacher said Congress made the laws not the Executive Branch.
Yep clearly back door gun control. No two ways about it……
BOHICA
Bend over, here it comes again !!!!!
I believe that Clinton is already elected, it’s fixed!
I am feeling a bit sick to my stomach also. I hope we are wrong. but I think you are right. It is rigged. And we as emasculated men need to get our balls back and do what the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence tells us to do. WE THE PEOPLE. Enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. So lock and load.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
Tell that to the founding fathers that signed the declaration of independence… Remember these words ? Why were they written ?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
I believe you got it wrong… Clinton is already erected.
I pointed this out to my gunsmith last week and he got together with another gunsmith who has an attorney on retainer.
He (attorney) pointed out that the term “retroactive” allows for a date sometime during 2012. I would have thought it would have meant since this announcement. No.
That could equate to right close to $10,000 of taxation without representation just to bring the tyranny up to date.
My gunsmith just showed me a mailing that he and his G.S. buddy received yesterday from the Department of Justice “inviting” him to attend a “free” information seminar next week, with no explanation as to what the topic is .
How about today everyone email the NRA ,the GOA ,and your FED REPS and ask them what they are going to do about this .Post it on face book and ask everyone to do the same .Then Monday repeat ,Tuesday repeat and so on . I am tired of this Dicktator and his pen and phone .
How about everyone email Sen. Ben Sasse, NE, as he’s sponsoring a bill to do away with regulations requiring non-professional (as in medical, etc.) practices to be licensed and pay licensing fees.
How about those of you who are not already NRA members, join. Those who are NRA members, contribute to the NRA Institute of Legislative Action (NRA ILA) so they can fight this executive action in court.
Well the hell with it ,tired of their wasting tax payer money and borrowed money trying to go around the constitution to take our guns or put us out of business. I’ve had it with the obama created ammo shortages of the past 8 years as well. There comes a time when we as a people must say NO,WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMPLY. If It will come down to a fire fight at every front door in America, they would run out of personal before ever accomplishing their goal. So there you have it ,that’s my opinion or this democratic party BS.
Agreed. time to tell the fed to fuck off when they follow the law we will consider the same
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ………….can`t say it enough………………fight fight fight, is this america or ameriKa, good luck to us all.
Here, here. Finally someone with sense. It might just very well take “extreme” measures from WE THE PEOPLE to put our government servants in line. Come on folks, remember they are supposed to work for US. I love this country and served it proudly and I’ll be damned or dead if those whom are to serve us subjugate us. There are principals worth more than an individual’s existence. Some are worth the ultimate sacrifice. LIVE FREE OR DIE. LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC.
HERE HERE
Gun ownership is not about hunting ducks as we are fond of saying. So get ready for the part it is about.
Someone sent this to me a while back. “THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS NOT THE RIGHT TO SHOOT A DEER. ITS THE RIGHT TO SHOOT AT THE GOVERNMENT IF IT IS TAKEN OVER BY TYRANTS”
right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is obviously and absolutely another GUN CONTROL effort by the basturd Obama and the lieing and obnoxious
Democrats. Everyone, Republicans and Dems, who want to keep the Constitution, Supreme Court, and FREEDOM we have in the United States should vote FOR TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS and AGAINST HILLARY AND THE DEMS. HILLARY IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE AND SO IS BILLY!!!!
Thanks for blowing the whistle on this farce. The Obama administration can’t claim now they’re not going after sportsmen – almost every gunsmithing operation requiring ITAR registration is one that is common for hunting and target firearms. Very few of these would be required for firearms exported to nations which lacked the requisite skills to perform those jobs in-country. It’s cynical legislation by expanding regulation beyond the Congressional intent of the laws concerned. And that is impeachable.
impeach i think NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(although i support the idea,hillary sucks.
There is no legal, or constitutional basis for doing this. It’s a lawless action that can be stopped by Congress, or the courts — and grounds for impeachment and criminal action as well. We need to build a fire under these corrupt bastards and make them do their job.
they are doing THEIR JOB, getting richer, and squashing our rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First time I agree with the author’s wording on a post. A new fee of $2000.00+ is onerous, outrageous, and very unfair to struggling gunsmiths. This needs to be protested and changed.
Welcome to the new reality!
The bell has rung and the ship has sailed.
Just eat your cake!!!
Onerous, egregious, and any number of other descriptive adjectives I could think of to add to the long list of comments already made. On the bright side it would appear that POTUS has finally decided to join the ranks of Capitalists by telling the American people that if they want some of their rights back, they’re just going to have to buy them.
Well, unless someone stands up to fight this we have just lost the ability to make personal firearms or finish 80% lowers. I guess he just closed that “loophole”. And what is our knight in shinning armor Paul Ryan doing about it……? Bending over and letting it happen just like Boehner would have. I just hope someone has the balls to come along after Obama leaves and erase or fix all of the executive order bs he has. How did he make it 8 years without being impeached over intentionally ignoring and systematically destroying the constitution?
Actually you are way off on the 80% lowers. Individuals who mill an 80% lower are NOT A BUSINESS and are not engaged in manufacturing. As well, an individual who does any of these machining processes is NOT A BUSINESS and is not required to pay this fee just as they don’t have to have an FFL. With that said, it still doesn’t make this bullshiite government over-regulation legal. We as a nation have sat back and allowed law after law to be created and enforced by these zionists, we’ve allowed Ovomit to take office illegally, we’ve allowed most politicians to create laws to protect themselves from prosecution and allowed them to squander and steal trillions in tax dollars, we sit back while Hitlery gets away with murder, treason, fraud, perjury, and a host of other crimes, so guess what – we will probably do the same with this illegal and unconstitutional law! Bitching and complaining does absolutely nothing, just as calling congressmen, signing petitions, and voting does nothing. The only thing a criminal understands is physical force and strict punishments; at this point executions are in order!
Big talk, keyboard commando!
Labeling the post as “Big Talk” does not make the posting any less true.
not likely to change with sillery as president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, this has something to do with “poking the bear” for the past year with all of this 80 percent receiver, “ghost-gun” BS. Finishing 80 percent AR receivers on the capitol steps during a rally probably didn’t help the pro-gun cause either. American gun-owning “patriots” are still their own worst enemy. Oh, assembling AR rifles is NOT gunsmithing.
These articles are getting to be the same. Nothing really new here,
Itar has been apart of gun smiting for years, it’s a standard cost of my business.
I will summarize this read and about every other one here.
The glass is half empty, it’s cracked, and leaking, you just cut your lip on the crack, and chipped your tooth.
my one time boss (ASSHOLE) asked me if a glass of water was half full or half empty, i pointed to it and accidently(on purpose) knocked it over all his desk and asked “oh that glass” its empty NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where is our representation? Why is NO ONE from the Legislative Branch of our federal government leading a “D-Day invasion” in opposition to this continual rape of our Constitutional rights? Has every leader in our federal government forgotten the “I swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC” portion of their oath of offices? In less than a decade, we have surrendered more of our Constitutional rights and have been subjected to more societal degradation than at any other time in our nation’s history.
And what has been the response? A dribble of bluff and bluster from Congress and little else.
I say again, where is our representation?
We better look at United Nations an our so call government an few super groups wants our rights an our guns to start the new world government we as people is only thing stopping it if Obama or Clinton ever call martial law that’s when they try to take our rights an guns away remember there is NATO troops here an in Canada just waiting to kill us by the millions why the government arming it self every department of the government with the latest firepower an more ammo then the arm forces have
Our elected officials do not honor their Constitutional Oaths, except when it furthers their own interests!
All of this from a government that gave 2500 top of the line guns to the drug cartels and terrorist. These guns keep showing as being used in killings. If the government the governmen5t is concerned about technology from being exported out of the county they should look first at the ATF and the government it’s self and put controls on them.not law abiding citizens
This is how the left will slowly disarm America. If they can’t show up at our doors and confiscate arms, they will attack those that either produce, maintain or otherwise support the firearms industry. For ex. Hillary Clinton has already stated that she wants gun manufacturers to be held liable for injuries or death caused in the use of a firearm, even if the firearm itself is NOT defective. Imagine what that would do to the industry! Now, you might say, well they’d have to hold auto manufacturers responsible for any and all injuries and deaths caused by a car, even if the car was operating normally. Expand that to hammers, baseball bats, knives, etc. For now it would never stand a SCOTUS review, BUT once Hillary packs the court with liberals, just watch how they rule in favor of holding gun manufacturers liable. This is the REAL threat of another left wing Presidency. A liberal swing in SCOTUS will change this country for generations, perhaps forever!
Does the Dept. Of Justice have to register in order to send automatic weapons to drug cartels in Mexico?
I hope nobody is so stupid as to think that just because the Congressional and Senate majorities are pro-gun-or at least not so rabidly anti-2/A, that that would slow the Totalitarians down? They NEVER stop! But we Never seem to get started???
This measure is really the precurser for more down the line. Like prohibiting construction of your own private ghost guns.
This will follow shortly after they get universal gun registration, aka nics background checks for all purchases, store or private sales’
It’s a curse to be an original Constitutional Libertarian with insider connections to know in advance what they are ‘thinking’.
Because all the time i waste warning everybody( I warned of this coming more than two years ago) falls on deaf and dumb ears.
Somebody up here in the comments started to ‘see’ the insidious plot in wondering what the true purpose is behind these illegal Fiat actions? Is it to piss off enough overly emotional ‘Revo’ persons to get themselves on a terrorist watch list so the Confiscations can begin???
Well, not just yet. Their plan is a little more sophisticated than this. A few more puzzle pieces of the Martial law picture must first come into position.
The next on the drawing board is raising the 200. class 3 stamp tax for all your suppressors, SBR’s, et al. They’re just waiting until they can figure out how to ‘re-adjust the AR pistol exclusion–which really is nothing less than an SBR, They already tried it with the AP rifle ammo in a pistol trick, remember???
Then they’ll charge 10 grand for (or more- from what one agent was telling me) the Class 3 tax, which is more in ‘tune’ with the un-afordability of 200. back in 1934 for most people. which was the whole point to keep common peons from affording owneership. So do you see the Washington Oke-doke trap? You don’t think they really ‘wanted’ to let you have all those suppressors and sbr’s in disguise, did ya’all? Hahahahahahah! Tdhey’re dirty totalitarians, but they’re not stupid.
But we are.
When the tax increases are announced they’ll give you 30 days to ‘comply’, or turn in your class 3 shit. No reimbursement of course.
Because its illegal if you don’t pay. They can just come and ‘seize’ it–without a warrant, by the way, anytime they want. If you don’t have, You go straight to jail.
Hope everybody this time next year won’t be saying, “Damn, we should have listened to those people telling us to get our lazy-ass reps moving on repealing ALL those Nazi gun laws because now we’re REALLY fucked!”
Just another Anti-America Marxist Democrat gun-grabbing technique, from a new angle.
ITAR can take it’s fees and shove em up their ass sideways. So can the federal government and state and local governments that make any laws that do not meet the standard: The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. All laws which do not meet this standard are null and void as of this moment. Attempts to enforce these illegal laws will be met with deadly force.
I’ve been watching some of these overreaches by Obama and I wonder if he’s not trying to start an insurrection so that he can declare martial-law as a beginning to a coup.
I’ve been talking about this for the last 7 years with the folks I know , Obama stirring the shit just hard enough to cause an mass stand against the administration to justify tyrannical action of declaring martial law against the citizens of this country ..
Obama and his back pocket butt monkeys belong in prison at the very least! !!
I SAID THAT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED. ONLY ONCE IN HISTORY DID A BLACK MAN ELECTED TO THE NATIONS HIGHEST OFFICE EVER VACATE THAT OFFICE AFTER THEIR TERM OF OFFICE EXPIRED. THAT WAS NELSON MANDELLA AND ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS DYING! HE’S GOING TO USE THE END OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR (WHICH IS AUG, 31,2016) TO CREATE A FINANCIAL CRISES, WHICH WILL ALLOW HIM TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW. THE CONGRESS IS NOT IN SESSION. HE HAS NEVER HAD A BUDGET AND WILL NOT SIGN ANY MORE CONTINUING BUDGET RESOLUTIONS. MUSLIMS USE WAR, TERROR, ECONOMICS, INFILTRATION AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SHARIA LAW TO CONQUER NATIONS AND DESTROY PEOPLES!
State Dept has been doing their part to kill the firearms industry since the late 1990s – i used to export and was registered. Fees went from $250 / yr ($200/yr if paid 5 yrs at a time) to $2250 and you had to pay two years at a time. If that wasn’t bad enough, applications to export took anywhere from 6 – 12 months to be reviewed, and usually were denied. There six licensing officers, and in a newsletter their Biographies were detailed – they were all young attorneys 2-3 years out of George Mason or Georgetown Law school. The application to export took 3-4 hours to prepare (i kid not) and were turned down 50% of the time. But when they denied an export license on 5,000 M1 leather slings and i then discovered leather goods were considered obsolete technology and therefore exempt from requirement for export license, that was when i decided to terminate my export registration. It took me 1.5 years to terminate it, with letters threatening me with horrendous fines unless i paid the fee, EVEN THOUGH I HAD TERMINATED ALL EXPORT ACTIVITY. I finally terminated my ATF 08 importer’s license to terminate the State Dept exposure. If you read ITAR carefully, Johnson & Johnson should register with state dept as they manufacture Q-Tips, which can be and are used to clean firearms.
We are rapidly approaching the bottom of that slippery slope, and if hillary is elected, we’ll hit it with a thud
It won’t hinge on Hitlery being elected. It’s going to happen anyways! If Trump is elected, the swampcoons, dunecoons, and other criminals in this country called democraps, will riot and create chaos. But even before that we will see an economic collapse that will likely initiate the turmoil.
Tell them to GO SCREW!!!!..SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!!!!
Too dumb. Not playing. Moving on.
I want to know why I see no efforts to stand up to this by the NRA, GOA or any of the other pro gun organizations. I keep getting emails with money requests but nothing with requests to contact my representatives on this matter. Seems very odd to me. Especially the GOA not climbing all over this. Also are the big manufactures going to sit by and watch this put the small gun smith shops out of operation or are they going to step up and offer support to stop this? I surely hope there hasn’t been some backroom deals made by the NRA and others in the gun industry.
I think it is time for a million armed citizens to march in DC. We should be able to round that many up, right?
Count me in.
Good….we have to start someplace!!!!
Really Ernie?…maybe a better place to start would be finding the old hag that squirted you out, greasing up her hole and shoving you back up where you came from.
RetNavet That is a childish statement Say something productive
RetNavet YOU ARE A REALLY STUPID FUCKING IDIOT. GO CRAWL UP YOUR OWN MOTHERS HOLE IT IS BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU AND A DOZEN MORE FAGS.
You are a gross pig
Start what?
More bureaucratic – and thus, Administrative – overreach. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. The anti-gunners have already demonstrated their willingness to lie and dissemble in their appeals to the public about ‘reasonable gun control’ being little more than a ruse to slip in total prohibitions of firearms.:
Clinton Delegate Explains How Democrats Will Ban All Guns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlhQafsx3o
I hope the NRA-ILA is aware of this latest gambit.
I am sure the NRA is diligently working on ways to increase donations.
What is next? Mom and Pop mechanic shops? Is this where we finally stand up and say no?
When Trump gets elected, all these oppressive decrees made by the Sultan, will be nothing but a bad memory!
These international treaties and agreements that President Obama and the Secretary of State John Kerry cleverly sign us up to, should not be adhered to by anyone in this nation unless We the People, through the Congress were fully represented in these decisions.
We should only be subject to the Constitutional Laws of this nation ratified by Congress and no other outside entity like the UN or any OTHER WORLD BODY has any Authority to assert their will over the sovereignty decisions of our Nation. Obama is getting his way by the stroke of a pen and this unconstitutional maneuver Must be Stopped Now! Our framers Never intended our nation to be legislated and governed by the Executive Branch of government. That’s why we have a Congress to pass laws and the Executive Branch is to support the laws that Congress passes. Just because the President can’t get pass anything passed through Congress, is not a justification for the Executive to act unilaterally. The Obama Administration practices the same type of governance that the Dictators of the world do. This is NOT an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, it’s a Democracy and We the People must insure that’s how it’s done. If not, the stuff they do unilaterally, means nothing and WE cannot adhere to any of it period!
This sounds like one of those regulations that should just be ignored until after the election. If Trump wins, this will become moot.
As to Execute Orders. In accordance with the Constitution if anyone challenges an executive order within 30 days it must be voted on by Congress in order to become law.One might want to keep that in mind before getting to riled up. Start studying the Constitution and get to know it from the beginning through the 19th Amendment.
So I guess I can safely assume that you have already taken care of this. Thanks for getting Congress to vote on this, for all of our sakes. We need more Constitutional Scholars like you, on OUR side.
Todd Stanley I agree
Excellent point!
There is no mention of executive orders in the Constitution at all, much less some 30 day challenge period. Congress could certainly try and pass a law to override the EO, in any time frame, but the President has veto power so that would be a tough one to do.
$2,250.00 per year? The stated intent of this new regulation could be realized with a $5.00 fee per year. As the author of this article said, this regulation is a naked mandate to price gunsmiths out of business.
If obama’s goon bureaucrats can spring this abomination on the people who service privately owned firearms, they can increase the yearly fee to $5,000.00 next year and then keep doubling the fee every year thereafter until the description “gunsmith” will be a quaint archaic word from the past. You know, the past before obama.
EACH violation is punishable with fines up to $1,000,000.00 and/or 20 years in prison! This is the real infringement against the Second Amendment. How many gunsmiths will risk such retribution for tuning up a trigger? Any stranger that walks through the door with a request to do illegal work on his firearm could be a Federal agent looking to add notches on his gun to earn a promotion.
Find a liberal who voted for obama and give him a special thanks for putting a tyrant in the White House. Oh, the Hildabeast would be even worse than obama. She wants to outlaw the Second Amendment, and her new Supreme Court nominations will back her up on such a move.
ITAR is a UN regulation of a foreign power. As declared declared by the Supreme Court the UN is a foreign power and under the Constitution has no authority in the US. In addition only Congress has the authority to create new laws.
My advice to manufacturers & gunsmithsis not to deport anything out of state. When the federal government attempts to exert authority be ready for a courtroom battle. Congress has no authority under the Constitution to interfere with intrastate commerce. They only have authority under the Constitutionto regulate interstate commerce.
And they talk about communist country’s. We live in one…
” d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;”
Are you in violation with a Dillon or even a RCBS, Lyman, MEC press??
Under the section regarding ammunition does that mean if you have a Dillion reloading press you are in violation?????????
Wouldn’t think so unless it is automated. If you can walk away from it and it keeps running, I think it would fall into this definition. If you crank or operate it by hand, I would not consider it automated.
This is just another cut in our second amendment right to bear arms.
One of those Thousand cuts cuts spelling out the death of freedom in America.
Small business can’t afford the expense to keep their doors open even though this “fee” should be deductible as an operating expense.
The party of Demons must be defeated this November !!!
If anyone is not voting Trump by default votes Hillary and in with what we know you are a traitor to the Constitution PERIOD.It has never been more black and white than this election . Not voting is a vote for Hillary . 3rd party is a voter for her and all votes for Hillary are votes to destroy our Constitution,our traditions and the fabric of the United States.
And, it looks like we will have 4 more years of this shit.
Anything to get what you want. The administration’s attitude since taking office. We have all held our breath for almost eight years waiting for this. This, more than anything else, will divide this country which, it seems has been the goal all along.
These businesses should form a union and refuse to comply.
Just flat out don’t comply. These abc agencies can make up laws and regulations outside of congress. We the people didn’t elect these entities to squat over us and make up laws
Unions…who do you think put the mullato in there???
For years now we have been voting for actors, ( fantasy is their business) professional liars, so what makes anyone believe the fiction their pushing. Trump, obama Hillary all answer too the same masters.Their agenda is the same plan of global domination, one world goverment absence of religions, cultural identity,or borders. A one world union or goverment ruling us all. White black tan doesnt matter to them. They practice economic discrimination.rules have changed.Elections just horse & pony show.Hell nero played the harp while Rome burned.tired of being entertained too death? I am jack booted thugs are kicking in doors and we debate the greater of too evils.
The Liberals have promised free shipping and programs to those people who wont work, so naturally they will vote for the Dumbocrats. They for the most part deny knowledge of how our system works. We are a Republic. We are not a true Democracy. In a true Democracy it is majority rule forget the law it’s only about mob rule. We have a mod in the rule making seat right now but We the People shall overcome. How many former military are there? How many took the oath ” to protect and defend our Constitution from ALL ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC”. That oath did not have an expiration date. There is also the Dick act which makes any attempt to subvert the 2nd Amendment a crime.
The masses will soon be rising to protect our Liberties. The one thing that has made this country great is we don’t let people fuck with us . We will triumph over an Obozo/Hitlery tyrannical government. Our forefathers made the second amendment with the Libturds in mind, we shall vanquish the oppressors. Ooohrah, their are many hugs dress of thousands that will rise up against st the illegal government now in office. I pray that those who defy the true meaning of freedom will feel pain as it will rain down upon them.
Out of all the posts on this topic, that was about the smartest one I have read.You are all a bunch of hopeful idiots if you even think there is going to be an election. The Zombie Apocalypse would be a dream come true for most of us gun toting Christians but what is coming is far worse. I have fought and killed for this country, and would and well do it again without hesitation. It is awesome to hear how pissed off we all are but you are literally preaching to the choir! This is an online gun magazine. How many of you will actually shoot and kill a police officer or federal officer when they kick in your door in a no-knock warrant to take your guns and then you as you are now a terrorist? I have killed for this country and I will not comply. The only thing I hope for is the second coming of Jesus Christ. That is all it boils down to. There are no Jews, no Muslims, no Black or White! There are only Christians and those that follow Lucifer! The beauty of it, is that you don’t even have to believe in Satan,,,all you have to do is not believe in HIM, (Jesus Christ) for you fucking morons. I await the revolution with open arms cause I have danced with the Devil and I am still here.I have seen what is left of the Tower of Babel so I know the Bible is the Word of God! I know most of you will say I am an idiot but when they ask you to put a little chip in your right hand cause there are no more banks, your gonna go WOW I should have listened to that former Airborne Ranger. But you well be dead or in a FEMA camp. Cause if you can’t see it coming…guess who the idiot is now. All you have to do is believe in HIM, that’s it. None of us will ever be without sin like HIM. All you have to do is believe in HIM. I am ready, are you? This will most likely not be posted.
I don’t see what the big deal is about this – other than the expensive registration fee. (But government fees go up every year for all kinds of different regs). Ive worked with ITAR regs for years and this is nothing out of the ordinary. ITAR’s purpose is to prevent our awesome US weapon technology from falling into the hands of our enemies – for obvious reasons. Personally I like the idea of preventing our enemies from using the incredible gun tech we have from being used against us. The reason the definition of “machining” or smithing is so broad is because the alternative is to have the ATF hiring a million agents to go around crawling up the a$! of every single gunsmith and/ or manufacturer to make sure the technology is protected. So rather than grow the monitoring agency any bigger the alternative is to require the registration. Think how many various gun manufacturers have popped up over the last few years – just AR manufacturers- too many to count. I prefer that ATF/ homeland security agencies not get any bigger.
Foreign technology in this sector is superior. Many of the machines used by US gun firs is foreign made.
Gee, if we want to stop the export of our firearm technology, maybe we should stop giving weapons to anyone in the Middle East who asks. Just take a look at what ISIS fights with – 100% good ol’ ‘American made hardware provided by our brilliant politicians to the Iraqi Army who then graciously turned them over to ISIS. Another case of this administration saying “do as I say, not as I do”.
Wow, do you actually believe the BS you peddle?
I guess you’ve just grown too accustomed to your chains – that or you have a nice comfy do-nothing Federal job with a fat pension I have to work my entire life to pay for.
Clinton sold tech for nukes to China. Wake up! This is all about culling insurrection. Shtf who’s going to repair your rifle ? Illegal to do reloads at home, lol. Illegal to store rainwater or stockpile food. A retard could connect the dots on this one. No offence but we as AMERICANS must focus on the big picture.hell it wont matter when you dont have a gun too fix. Look up civil forfeiture and tell me im full of shit.look at Guns seized after Katrina. This is designed to cripple civil insurrection. You can only resist until you gun breaks.Im not throwing rocks at Ak or m16.
Clinton sold tech for nukes to China. Wake up! This is all about culling insurrection. Shtf who’s going to repair your rifle ? Illegal to do reloads at home, lol. Illegal to store rainwater or stockpile food. A retard could connect the dots on this one. No offence but we as AMERICANS must focus on the big picture.hell it wont matter when you dont have a gun too fix. Look up civil forfeiture and tell me im full of shit.look at Guns seized after Katrina. This is designed to cripple civil insurrection. You can only resist until you gun breaks.Im not throwing rocks at Ak or m16.we need the small town smithy to keep us in the game. Itar is just anothet in a long line of attempts to disarm citizens
This is just our President using his over reach of Executive Orders to implement a form of gun control. Without the one man gunsmith shops in small towns, lots of older guns that break and become unusable will remain so. That, and that alone, is the sole purpose of this “regulation.” No thought given to the impact made on the people who rely on these shops – the owner / operator is not doing it for his or her health but for the income it provides. The people that bring older guns in for repairs might rely on that gun to eat. Our government, our President, is out of control and writing law without legislative process. There is a phrase he and the rest of the Executive Branch need to recall, “Taxation without representation.” Look what that lead to.
And here it comes. With no public input of hearing, it is a fiat, and therefore we do not live in America anymore. Even if a business does not export, they have to pay anyway, is just insane and totalitarian. 20 years in prison if a guys has a metal lathe and reams a barrel violates the 8th Amendment. Another straw on the back of the camel named Revolution if you ask me.
I will not comply !
A treatise into the history of ITAR, who, what, where and when would be helpful to all of us. Who is leading the fight to remove domestic gunsmiths from these opressive regulations? Look thru a gun parts catalog and you will find parts listed as ITAR that defy common sense. Based on history, its clear that regulation of all hobbyst firearms repairs modification, or construction will be soon on our doorstep. I cant help but think that the UN has something to do these regulations, and Congress has chosen to allow the executice branch to do as it pleases with ITAR.
Once again, obama has exceded his presidential authority with a EO. If Congress does not take action against the EO, it will stand with the force of Law. The PDF file at the Link clearly defines EOs application, limits of presidential powers, conflicts with existing Law, and how EOs aare evaluated by the Courts to determine if they are within the authority of presidential powers. There is major conflict between this EO/ITAR tnd the existing Laws enforced by BATFE regarding gunsmithing vs manufacturing that ARE current Law. Hence, the Presidend has exceeded his authority by making law and extending its applicability with impact on commerce/industry AND individuals. This Ladies and Gentlemen, is not a Power of the executive branch and is reserved Strictly for Congress and the States per the Constitution.
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS20846.pdf
Umm, nice try, but no see-gar. ATF regulations under laws pertaining to ATF are one thing, but ITAR falls under the authority of the Department of State, and its power is defined under the statutes establishing ITAR, not those pertaining to the ATF. It does not matter if the definitions of manufacturing in one conflict with those for the other; they regulate different things. Now I agree that ITAR has become WAAAY to expansive, but that is a legislative issue for Congress to deal with. (There was a recent case filed by Defense Distributed pertaining to the interpretation of ITAR regs as pertaining to discussions on blogs. State claimed that these discussions were subject to ITAR because the internet is everywhere. I am pretty sure that DD won the first round.)
Actually Will is correct, in that this regulation differs from existing law as enforced by BATFE…and
(obviously) the definition of ‘manufacturing’ matters.
The unstated angle, even in the NRA article, is that the fee is a tax–who can levy taxes?