Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner believes he is going to improve public safety with a 72-hour waiting period for all gun purchases and a red flag confiscation law. (Photo: CBS 2)
Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner signed two gun control bills Monday that he believes will “improve public safety.”
Known as the Lethal Order of Protection Act, or HB 2354, the legislation will allow family members and law enforcement to petition a court to immediately disarm an individual believed to be a threat to himself or others.
The second bill, known as SB 3256, places a 72-hour waiting period on the purchase of all firearms. Under current state law, there is only a 3-day waiting period for the purchase of handguns.
Gov. Rauner also vetoed legislation that would require gun dealers to obtain a state certification.
With respect to the red flag bill, Gov. Rauner said at the press conference that it was “very good.” And that it is “rigorous, there has to be a judge…proof. We want to protect gun owners rights, but for those deemed to be dangerous, not let them have guns.”
Critics of red flag laws argue that they trample one’s right to due process, as noted in previous GunsAmerica articles. HB 2354 allows police to confiscate an individual’s FOID card and guns for a minimum of two weeks or up to six months depending on the details of the case. Petitioners can also file for a six-month extension.
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The accused will have a chance to appear in court and request for the confiscation order to be lifted. Though, the accused will have to foot the bill for any legal fees associated with hiring an attorney to get his or her guns back.
Gun-control advocates were quick to celebrate the signing of the new laws.
“Today, Illinois took a step in the right direction to ensure people in a crisis can’t access guns,” said former Democratic Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords on Facebook.
“I applaud the leaders in Illinois who showed us what courage is all about, spearheading this bill and working with their colleagues to see this effort through,” she continued. “Governor Bruce Rauner must build on these victories by supporting additional efforts to curtail the gun violence crisis and build a bridge to a healthier future for Illinois.”
To that end, Gov. Rauner said he would still like to see the legislature take additional steps to ban reciprocating stocks and provide funding for schools to hire resource officers and mental health professionals.
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Why do we tolerate this bullshit from the Democrats( they really have an appropriate animal to represent their party)
It’s easy to restrict others rights when you know those restrictions will not affect you.
That is against Constitutional Law !! He should be arrested !!!
YOU LEFT OUT TRIED AND EXECUTED FOR TREASON, AS WELL AS THE REJECTS THAT PASSED THE BILL IN THE LEGISLATURE.
Gov Rauner has lost my vote for the Sanctuary State and now these new laws which will not make one small impact on the rampant shootings in Chicago. Yes, we may get a Democrat in office but at least I know how bad it wll be then – Gov Rauner is not a Republican, period
MINE TOO!
This has zero to do with public safety, it’s all about control, one step at a time!
3 days? In California it’s 10 days not counting the day of purchase. They call that a cooling off period because a person who wants a gun might change their mind according to the state government. It doesn’t matter if it’s your first gun or your 10th one.
California already has the turn in anybody “because they might do something terrible law”.
Then they had to pass another law to criminalize those who would falsely report a person who had firearms and wasn’t a threat. Of course the damage is already done, they confiscate your guns and now you have to prove your innocence. Then you have to accuse your accuser. What could be easier?
All police should be removed from south Chicago so the residence can form their own militia and clean up their lawless neighborhoods. Seperately Illinois into a north and south Illinois. Law abiding residence of the south would not be affected by the idiot laws of the north.
ACTUALLY TURNING CHICAGO INTO AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT LIKE D.C. MAKES MORE SENSE. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FEDERAL REPRESENTATION EXCEPT ONE CONGRESSMAN AND ONLY ONE ELECTORAL VOTE. AT THE STATE LEVEL THEY WOULD LOSE ALL STATE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN.
First,not enough information here to determine if this is a good bill or not.
As usual, the news media does not tell us what are the criteria used by a judge,the police,OR the Bureau of Alcohol,Narcotics and Firearms to decide if a person is mentally unstable and if their firearms are to be temporarily or permanently confiscated.
Who will determine which elements will result in a confiscation?
Verbal threats? Internet threats? 2nd or 3rd party possible false witness threats? Carrying a firearm concealed to a bar or nightclub ( with or without a license to carry) and getting shitfaced and making threats? A phone call from a girlfriend or wife in a relationship thats heading south,drinking is involved,she calls the police and says hes drunk and has guns and shes scared?
I could go on and on.
To my Demonrat,”luberal”,and gun grabber opponents,we’ve now seen what happens when law enforcement goes in front of a judge with fake information and papers or doesnt conveniently give the judge all the information and gets a warrant to wiretap someone
Its a license to set someone you dont like up or a candidate from another Party.
On the other side,and my NRA friends and hunting friends may not like this but if the rumblin,stumblin,bumblin FBI had confiscated Cruzs guns,ALL of them,Parkland wouldnt have happened.
I believe the agent had that right BASED ON THE THREATS CRUZ MADE.
My friends,you cant argue this point,if you try,you lose all credibility and you give the Demonrats,gun grabbers,and socialists ammo by showing how stupid you are and all of us who support the 2nd.
Once again we see,the executive branch launches out prematurely with legislation without due course debate or the full facts of the bill.
Apparently,just as the Main Stream Media does,its more important to get it out there quickly to appease the public rather than get it right the first time.
72 hour waiting period to buy a firearm, that automatically tells me that they are bad laws ! What else would you need to see after that part ? He has a free, armed, security detail, why should he care about the rest of us ?
IF EVERYONE WAS REQUIRED TO CARRY A LOADED FIREARM ON THEIR PERSON, CRUZ WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED. REJECTS JUST CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT FACT! NOR CAN THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE GUN DOES NOT LOAD ITSELF, FLY AROUND AND SHOOT PEOPLE. PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE. WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD OR BAD THING, DEPENDS UPON ONE’S UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION!
Illinoisans’ response should be tar, feathers and a rail. Until politicians are held accountable when they violate their oath to the Constitution of the United States, they will continue to turn our unalienable right to keep and bear arms into a privilege. It is just one more of the tens-of-thousands of unconstitutional gun laws that will have absolutely no affect on deterring crime. With politicians like these, do we really need enemies? The tree of American liberty is in dire need of refreshing.
I look at this squarely as a means in which police will use this law in every occurrence where a weapon is found or believed to be avaialable to the accused. This will be traffic stops, littering to real crimes.
If a person has a gun but no FOID, he/she should go to jail and have all guns removed. If they are a felon and have access to a gun they should go to jail.
I’m confused by your two apparently diametrically opposed statements. I HOPE that the second one is as an example of what you think they will do, not an example of what you appear to think about this law. I also don’t understand what you mean by “littering to real crimes”. Did you mean “leading to real crimes”? if so, how would that happen other than crimes by the police?
LET ME DUMB THIS DOWN SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT. A COP PULLS YOU OVER, FOR NO REASON. HE THEN BREAKS YOUR TAIL LIGHT OUT AND WRITES YOU A CITATION FOR A BROKEN TAIL LIGHT.
NOW TRY AND THINK WHAT A COP COULD DO FISHING FOR A GUN CRIME? PULL YOU OVER AND TOSS A GUN INTO YOUR CAR, AS YOUR INSTINCTIVELY REACHING TO GET IT AND TOSS IT OUT HE SHOOTS AND KILLS YOU. OR YOU DON’T REACH TO TOSS IT OUT AND HE ARRESTS YOU FOR OWNING, POSSESSING, AND IMPROPERLY STORING A FIREARM. YOU GO TO PRISON FOR MANY YEARS.
PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE REPORT YOU, AND THEN ONCE YOU EXPERIENCE THE LAW FIRST HAND, YOU’LL HAVE AN EPIPHANIE!
I think all you juvenile crybabies worrying about loss of your toys need to grow up. If this law saves just one citizen from a gun death or injury, it is worth it. I am a gun owner who understands that a middle ground needs to be found. You creeps out there who have a “not one inch” attitude will cause all of us to suffer in the long run.
Us creeps out here are the reason we have what started out as a free country. In order to legally take away our right to own any kind of firearm we want and to carry it anywhere we want in what ever manner we want they need to change the second amendment. Otherwise every single gun law except against using them to murder or attempt murder, is unconstitutional. People like you, who think it’s fine to violate the constitution “if is saves even one person” don’t deserve to have any freedoms at all.
Ask me how I know you’re a liberal, leave it to a leftist thinker to start hurling insults and name calling.
I’m am one of those not more inch to the left, in the end their goal is to outlaw gun ownership and I will not concede one more inch.
Mr. Miller you’re are problem.
Ah, yes, the old “I’m a gun owner, but….” scam of a libtard gun grabber. You sound like an angry, unhinged man, calling people “creeps” without even knowing them. Perhaps your guns should be confiscated (if you even own any) while the court determines your mental stability.
I call BULLSHIT!!!
This guy has NEVER owned a gun and I would wager never even held one. You can read it through his liberal speak in the post. Just another Lib Troll who knows nothing about guns, or the 2nd amendment.
On the subject at hand…notice if you want to fight it or get your guns back its actually written so you must provide your own defense and lawyers…Meanwhile the state will use your unlimited tax dollars to fight against you.
Gov. Rauner is just another rich rino pos , he is going to lose to another piece of shit Pritzker who is as crooked as they come.
Like Kalifornia Illinois is as lost cause.
Am I the only one who thinks a 3 day waiting period and a 72 hour waiting period are the same! Illinois’ SB3256 is nothing ,more than a redundant law of one already on the books! What a waste of time, effort and money.
Totally, I reread it 5 times to see what I must have misread. 3 days/72 hours…duh. still confused
I want to be the first to note that I believe Governor Rauner is a threat to others and therefore needs to be comittted for a mental examination and all the firearms in his posession, including those of his security detail be immediatley confiscated for the “saftey of the public”.
Sadly, violating the Constitution is merely a civil offense.
Worse, the elected officials prove they have no honor considering that they are sworn to defend and support the Constitution.
yup, that should clear up that chicago murder rate thing………
TRAITORS! I WON’T BE VOTING FOR GOV IN THE NEXT ELECTION, UNLESS IT IS A THIRD PARTY CONSERVATIVE PRO-GUN CANDIDATE! ALL THIS IS IS A MEANS TO DEPRIVE LAW ABIDING PEOPLE THEIR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT! CRIMINALS WON’T FOLLOW THESE ANTI-GUN LAWS EITHER!
Can`t we all just (sob) get along and love each other like the Bible says?
Just so you know, Jesus told one of his disciples to sell his cloak and buy a sword if he didn’t have one. It”s in Luke 22:36. For self defense.
Just another “feel good” knee jerk law that will not prevent the crazies from obtaining a firearm. Where is the option for opening up and sharing mental health issues? Sadly typical Illinois legislation!
Let me ask you this,first, read my post earlier….the college student in Colorado who shot people in a gun free zone movie theater a couple years ago.
He goes to a psychiatrist and says he wants to buy a gun and kill people to the doctor.
She promptly goes to Univ of Colorados administration and informs them what has happened.
They dont inform campus police,they dont inform local police,they dont inform the Colorado State Police,they dont inform the FBI about this kid.
We all know what happened.
Im not going to bother asking you if the whole incident bore investigation…..thats too easy.
Do you or dont you feel either the University campus police,or any of the law enforcement agencies had the right to seize this kids firearms?
This question goes out to everyone in this forum.
I said my piece in a previous post but this incident and Parkland nails your position down.
Dont give me any crap about the 2nd Ammendment on this just answer the quedtion directly…..YES or NO?
What people like you don’t understand and what liberals don’t understand is that if troubled people are intent on killing others, they will ultimately find a way to do it whether it be with a gun, knife, baseball bat, car, tire iron, golf club, catch my drift, despite whatever laws are passed. Just sayin
You should note that the gunman passed up several theaters that did not forbid weapons for one that did. That gave him a free target zone which he took full advantage of. Why didn’t the head shrinker go to the actual police with her information, instead of college officials? It’s not their job to police the public safety.
Again–democraps and RINOs are the enemy of Americans because they are the enemy of the Constitution and the Republic. Period.
What does this bill have to do with democrats?
Hopefully the sane predominately white citizens of Illinois, which does not include Chicago, will mount an effort to recall this RINO and
remove him from office. Why should the rest of the citizens in the state have to suffer for the crimes and stupidity of
the black ghetto trash in Chicago?
Race bating at its finest. White people put this Governor in office. Stop blaming and lets make officials enforce the law.
I am sure this will eliminate murders in the City of Chicago. (Sarc) I wonder how many legal purchases of firearms takes place in the Chicago? All this does is infringe on the law abiding. This stuff makes me want to vomit.
I believe criminals and thugs are a threat, confiscate theirs first.
Ditto , This Governor should resign NOW face it this state is going down the tubes and most who could leave has or will. I have family there and they are sick of the gang like state who favors liars and crooks the citizens. May god have mercy on them
That’s BS! Come for my stuff, and I will kill you.
Do not give up your guns period
Don’t worry, the cowards will take them when you are at work or sleeping.
They just passed this identical bill here in Mass. It’s similar to a restraining order. The gutless accuser tells the spineless judge you threatened them, even if you didn’t, then you have to take time out of work, get your name in the paper, and hand over your guns until you cough up $3000 for a liar, I mean lawyer, to clear it up. Livin’ the dream here!!
Sooo, Lets DISARM HIS body guards! I am SOOOOOO glad that I do not live in that state!
I was reading that if there is a false claim the accuser get a felony… now im not sure if this is true… and supposedly the accused has 15 days to be notified to show up in court and prove you innocent! This whole bill is a nightmare waiting to happen
Being a resident of IL., I find it truly sad this Gov. would be stupid enough to sign a bill that panders mainly to the idiots in Chicago and votes. These useless bills do nothing to protect people from each other. “Blue Dog” mentioned, it would, “Potentially”, save lives…. Ha ha. So too would banning cars, knives, etc.. Locking up someone with known mental issues would “potentially” save lives as well, but who determines what these definitions are? Local P.D.? Blue Judge, Red Judge?….. The next door anti gun neighbor??? These are the same people who routinely place themselves above the law. A particularly disturbing feature of this bill is putting the burden of “proof of innocence” on the accused. At the financial expense of the accused.! Besides the obvious issue of our constitutional rights,,,,,Any of you ever have to pay an attorney’s legal fees lately? $275.00/ hour or more. Not to mention the court cost. There are several ways to deny a person’s freedoms. Financial is one of them. Even if you are wealthy enough to win, try recouping your lost income back from the Govt..
Politicians have a proven history of coming up with simplistic answers to complex issues aimed squarely at votes. Ultimately doing nothing to protect the law abiding person, but hindering that person’s ability to protect themselves from corrupt people. Including those in Govt.. There is a reason we have a U.S. constitution!! And it is not to get votes. People who think like “Blue Dog” need to wake up from their fantasy land dream world of rainbows and unicorns.
The only plus is the veto of the third bill. Perhaps Mr. Rauner had a moment of clarity during his sign happy frenzy.
Personally, I consider anyone who believes this will make a difference in human behavior, a true threat to the safety and well being of their’s and any other person’s safety.
Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I am not a danger to anyone unless they show up at my front door trying to confiscate my firearms then I reserve the right to change my mind!
Another shitbag politician with a “screw the Constitution” attitude.
This governor MUST be a LIBTARD
Could have been worse, much worse if a Democrat were governor. There has to be a mechanism for a family to separate a nut from his guns. This slippery slope could be worth the risk. Might actually save some lives unlike most anti gun measures. In most cases it won’t.
I agree with your thought on preventing nut cases from keeping a firearm. However, if they really want to address shootings and improve safety in that state, they should focus on Chicago and what is causing those murders, etc. I am sure this law will have no impact on those numbers since few if any of those firearms are legally purchased or owned. If the total number of shootings in the state is considered, this will impact a statistically insignificant number and will only penalize law abiding citizens, maybe even charging uninformed citizens as felons. But it is just another piece of the puzzle of neutering the 2nd Amendment.
Whatever chance he had for re-election just vanished. This is what happens when a state has a big urban area like Chicago, it is the tail wagging the dog. America’s big cities are America’s ball and chain. Thanks for making everybody else suffer for your lawlessness. IL is the hopeless state. It’s why it leads the nation in net population loss. High taxes, blight ridden communities and outdoorsman unfriendly is the description for this pathetic democrat run state. If you want freedom and accountability vote socialist democrats out everywhere.
So riddle me this…
I was falsly accused of rape a few years ago. I had never even met the girl, but I ” fit the description” the girl even picked me out of a line up. THANK GOD for DNA TESTING! Anyways, Ive personally experienced just how bad our govt is, when your innocent, and found out the hard way that everybody is in a hurry to destroy you, everybody is so sure you did it, cops ruthlessly interrogate you, lie to your face about evidence they dont have, but when your exonerated, nobody gives a flying fuck, not a single apology, not even from the victim, who pointed ME OUT ( I hope she suffered and her asshole was torn to her cunt. she ruined my life) or will help what they very methodically and intentionally destroyed, and you have zero recourse. None.
And, once again… without lots of money, no lawyer will even listen. Which also means we have 2 justice systems. 1 that does its best to railroad people who arent rich, and 1 that rich people use to buy their way out of trouble.
So, whats to stop anti gunners from just making up bs “they are acting crazy” stories and just turning people in for confiscation?
You have to have the money to defend yourself. And if you dont, your property is taken, and theres nothing you can so about it. And… how are they gonna take them? Just think about swat rolling up, a bunch of thugs who I hear laugh and joke about hurting Americans everytime they are at the gun range… these arent heros fighting for our freedom, these men enjoy hurting your neighbors… they wont be objective… they are being sent to a possibly “armed crazies” house.
Thats just a recipe for disaster.
Fake claims that deny people their rights, should carry mandatory jail time. The stakes are way too high that someones gonna die.
For years, we, the people, have let states interfere with our rights to keep and bear arms. The 2nd amendment does not give us a right to own guns or defend ourselves. The founding fathers thought those rights were god given. What the 2nd amendment does is BAN the government (Federal, state, county, city, town…..) from interfering (Infringing) with those rights. Once SCOTUS is solidly conservative, hopefully they will explain this reality to the states.
Um…no. Don’t project your opinions on others so quickly. You have no idea what anyone is capable of. Hence, the problem, with all this. There’s NO WAY to get ahead of someone who is willing to do evil. This is incrementalism, at it’s finest. The concessions will not help, and then they’ll be deemed inadequate, thus supporting the argument that “MORE MUST BE DONE!!”. 3 day waiting period? Fine. 4th day massacre. Red flag confiscation? They’ll get their guns back at some point. Or just choose a different weapon. But if they don’t, then the weapons they get back, and ultimately use, will be demonized even more. “We took their guns away for 6 months, and they STILL committed the crime! We need to raise this to a year! 2 years! ALL THE YEARS!!!”. People get pissed, and try to make character attacks, to make the people that can see this for what it is seem like they don’t care, or they’re weak. It’s not weakness to call attention to injustice. And that is injustice for those who follow the laws, as well as those that have been the victim of the violence people are standing on to further this sort of bullshit. Because passing stupid laws like this do no good, and just further the agenda of the anti-gun crowd, while not actually creating any safety or solace for those who have been victimized. Something DOES need to be done…but it needs to be something that actually makes a difference, and doesn’t create more victims. Which means abandon the gun control route, and look to further health care, and the development of psychological health means to prevent the carnage. Something that might actually make a difference. Maybe study up on the effects of psychoactive drugs when used to heavily modify someone’s behavior? You want to stop someone from exposing themselves, you don’t blame clothes for being too uncomfortable, or not being easy enough to wear…you figure out WHY they are doing what they are doing, and address that. Sheltering the population isn’t ever going to work.
Until they start including mental health records in the review of gun purchases, they will never identify the people who really should not have guns. In addition, unless action is taken against people who are really identified as a threat, it means nothing. Just an excuse to collect fees. Just like Florida. Should never have happened. M
Rauner is officially the stupidest politician in the USA. Yet another case of screwing his supporters to pander to people that voted against him in the last election and will vote against him in the next election.
First he broke a promise to prolife voters by signing a bill forcing the state (and thus taxpayers) to fund abortion. The abortionists voted against him in the last election, and will vote against him in the next one, so he accomplished nothing.
Now he is screwing gun owners.
What an idiot!!
Exxelent piece of information occams. People need to know that their constitutional righits are protected and cannot be taken away just because a bunch of communists have the personal agenda of reviving the Nazis right here in the US. This idiotic train of thought needs to be stopped before it gets even more momentum and we loose all means of protection
It WAS 72 hrs/3 days for HANDGUNS… Now it is 72 hrs/3 days for ALL GUNS, including rifles, etc. The author caught me on this one too… The wording could have been more clear on this.
Is the Gov. an idiot. 3-days is 72-hours.
The article made that phraseologistic change. 72 hrs for all guns. 3 days for handguns. Reread it. I initially thought the same thing as I quickly scanned it. Adding all guns to the ban is classic Commie incrementalism
This mean all the criminal will have give up their GUNS???? DAMN what a LAW!!!!!
Obviously, none of these individuals championing the confirmation.laws have heard of a sympathetic judge.
Police officers know which judges will be sign the order out of hand, and will have no trouble getting a confiscation order.
Perhaps we should also confiscate the accused’s car, knives, rocks in the landscapin, and any other possible weapon.
In view of recent celebrity suicides that would also have to include all ropes, cords, cables, strings etc. even bed sheets and anything else that can be tied in a knot. Then get all the pushers off the street so they can’t just buy some drugs and OD themselves. Take all trucks off the highway so they can’t walk out in front of one. Place security guards at all bridges and roofs of tall buildings. The list goes on and on in ways that get just plain bizarre. People who really do want to end it all, and aren’t just playing games, will find a way every time. They manage even when they are locked in a cell on suicide watch in a prison.
Huh, so if I don’t want to wait, I can just go to a criminal and get a firearm and take it home that day. These idiot politicians have no idea what is good and use the blanket of “public safety” to push their own personal agenda
Red Flag Confiscation Orders can potentially save lives. Imagine if one had been used against Nicholas Cruz – none of you would know the name David Hogg today. It sounds like concerns over lack of due process have been addressed, with the need for a judge to issue these orders. If we, collectively as the community of firearms enthusiasts, cannot make some common sense concessions in the face of gun violence, then we will obstinately remain on the wrong side of history.
First, this does nothing to address criminals using firearms to commit a violent crime or a prohibited person from obtaining or possessing a firearm and committing a violent crime.
All this does is further infringe law-abiding citizen rights.
Gun are not inherently violent, but they can be used to kill another human being. Since we don’t want to fix the human being, we go after an inanimate object and everything will be better, right?.
Nicholas Cruz was reported to be a danger over twenty times to law enforcement and no one did a darn thing. These laws would have done nothing against him.
These Illinois red flag laws violate a citizens 2nd Amendment rights, 5th Amendment rights of due process on property, liberty and 6th Amendment rights to obtain legal counsel for defense.
“No person . . . [can] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” — 5th Amendment
“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.” — 6th Amendment
These new laws bypass the person defending himself in court with or without legal counsel and strip a person of their property and liberty without due process of law. It is a violation of their rights as an American citizen.
It is not surprising this was passed in a Progressive Democrat state. Most “Progressives” detest the Second Amendment and private property rights.
-> Nicholas Cruz was reported to be a danger over twenty times to law enforcement and no one did a darn thing. These laws would have done nothing against him.
I disagree, sir. An individual like Nicholas Cruz, having been reported to law enforcement multiple times – in this specific case, dozens, is exactly the kind of problem these red flag confiscation orders are designed to address. If the local constabulary had the tools to address that problem, they could have saved the lives of some 17 children by disarming one crazed individual. Are the lives of those 17 children not worth disarming one man? What about the 33 people who lost their lives at Virginia Tech? Or the women every year who are the victims of gun violence in their own home who cannot otherwise disarm their abusive partners? What is the cost, in lives, that is worth this small, common-sense concession?
THEY COULD PASS A LAW BANNING YOU FROM THE NET AND YET IF YOUR NEVER ARRESTED, WHAT GOOD IS THE LAW? THE ONLY CURE FOR NUT JOBS IS DEATH! REQUIRE MANDATORY CARRY EVERYWHERE AND PROVIDE $1,000 BOUNTY’S FOR THE SCALPS OF ALL “PERCEIVED” ILLEGALS, TERRORISTS, OR GANG MEMBERS. OH, AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “PERCEIVED” WELL TOUGH, FOR THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF A RED FLAG ANTI-GUN LAW. PERCEPTION!
I’m sure you are familiar with the “Death by a Thousand-Cuts”, addressing your comment/question ” What is the cost, in lives, that is worth this SMALL, common-sense concession?” is exactly what is happening to our 2nd Amendment right now. As for the small number of people that are killed by some “Whack-Job” going into a “Gun Free Zone” doesn’t even Vibrate the Table of the number of people Saved by those that carry i.e. 500,000 to over 2,000,000 per year. When the guns are gone out of the hands that these laws will effect will only empower the criminals and still there will be no relief in the gun violence but actually increase the violent crime. When the government gets all of our guns, then again only the criminals will be the ones that have total control, ask those that survived the “Holocaust” or the “Killing Fields of Cambodia”. The only way to Preserve Freedom is to Preserve the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
As for the long waiting period in order to obtain a firearm, tell that to the people that ended up dead because they had to wait for the only protection that would have saved their lives which far outnumber the Media Loving Mass-Shootings. Remember these two truths – “When Seconds Count, the Police are Minutes Away”, “When Seconds Count, Self-Protection is Only 5 Day’s Away”. You can give all the credit to these Snow-Flake Hacks we call Elected Leaders and “Safe-Space Seekers that have No Idea of Self Preservation Government Loving Pussies.
I love liberty too but you’ve got your amendments mixed up. You’ve quoted the 4th amendment.
Fourth Amendment – Search and Seizure
Amendment Text | Annotations
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The 5th amendment reads thus:
Fifth Amendment – Rights of Persons
Amendment Text | Annotations
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
So these types of laws do violate the 4th amendment. Someone says you did something or says you will do something bad, but without any proof, they take your property. Last time I checked someone taking your property without permission is stealing. Doing it under cover of law is especially heinous.
Sorry, I misread your comment. You did quote part of the 5th amendment but I think the 4th is much more appropriate because in this case they aren’t appropriating your property for public use. They’re just stealing it because someone said you were a bad person.
“Gun violence”. Just another phrase like “assault weapon” . Or “progressive” meaning communist.
You communists have an agenda. Bottles of Jim Beam, motor vehicles, knives, baseball bats, pressure cookers are never referenced as “(fill in the blank, inanimate object) violence”. Only firearms, “guns” get that Alinsky play on words you domestic communists love so much. When the fact of the matter it is “people” violence.
Blue.Dog, you are an enemy of Freedom & Liberty. You are no less deserving of a short rope and a tall tree than the rest of your cabal of domestic communists.
I’ll remain on the ‘wrong side of history’ along with the founding fathers of this country.
Blue dog, why don’t you do all of us a favor and quit trolling our discussion forum. No one cares what you have to say, and I’m not sure what your motivation is, unless you just enjoy being an obnoxious pain in the ass.
While you’re at it, in the unlikely event that you are a gun owner (which I don’t believe), please just save everyone the trouble and turn them all in to the local PD now. Then you can go back to your safe space in mommy’s basement.
ONLY A TRULY IGNORANT PERSON DEVOID OF ALL GOD COMMON SENSE WOULD SAY SUCH AN IDIOTIC THING! THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONFISCATION BY PERCEPTION, AND NOT REASON!
Where is the law that should go hand in hand with this ridiculous law that only affects Law Abiding citizens? The Law that says anyone that falsely accuses and report another person is punishable by a $10,000 dollars fine, six weeks in jail and is liable for any damages to their firearms while in police custody! They are the law abiding citizen that just because someone said something is now treated like a criminal with no proof! I guess no politician understands people LIE!
I’m no Rauner enthusiast but he vetoed the worst of the three – dealer licensing. It would have put most small FFLs out of business and greatly reduced the availability of retail guns in the state. As a practical matter, Red-Flag laws are rarely involked, and the waiting period on handguns was already 72 hours.
Rauner is trailing in the polls and widely expected to loose to gun-hating liberal Democrat J.D. Pritzger in November. If Pritzger get’s elected, look out, it will be California-style gun laws in Illinois.
The change in the waiting period is that it is now 72 hours on ALL GUNS.
I disagree. The worst bill is the confiscation without due process bill.
I have a few guns, so a waiting period or a more expensive dealer would be an unconstitutional inconvenience, but I could manage it. Confiscation due to rumors, innuendo and without due process is not manageable.
NOTES FOR THE COMING FIGHT:“A law repugnant to the Constitution is void. An act of Congress repugnant to the Constitution cannot become a law. The Constitution supersedes all other laws and the individual’s rights shall be liberally enforced in favor of him, the clearly intended and expressly designated beneficiary.” –Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)“An unconstitutional law is void and is as no law. An offense created by it is not crime. A conviction under it is not merely erroneous but is illegal and void and cannot be used as a legal cause of imprisonment.” – Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. 371 (1879)“An unconstitutional act is not law. It confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office. It is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” – Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425 (1886)“Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them.” –Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966)“The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows: The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.“Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it…A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it superseded thereby. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.” – 16 American Jurisprudence 2d, Sec. 177“No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it. The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, whether federal or state, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW, in legal contemplation, IS AS INOPERATIVE AS IF IT HAD NEVER BEEN PASSED.“ – 16 American Jurisprudence 2d, Sec. 256
A lot of words that are irrelevant to the average person. A law is a law until the courts rule it unconstitutional. You don’t get to decide that yourself. And you don’t get to decide if and when that law is enforced.
The 72 hour hold just expanded from handguns to all guns. This targets the long guns being used in shootings. Not a terrible confession.
The red-flag law, is the only way to prevent a “person in crisis” from going on a rampage. If the individual is made aware of the pending confiscation (via participation in an initial hearing) then they can simply inact any planned violence sooner.
So many of you guys talk so tough. Good guy with a gun.. bs. And you are really just like the resource officer who would hide and wait. Using your firearm to protect no one but yourself. AND just more likely to shoot the wrong people in your paranoid little bubble where everyone is coming for you and your guns (a delusional sense of self importance).
Just snowflakes with guns if you ask me.
Long guns are a mere statistical blip in gun deaths. You are more likely to be knifed or beaten to death than to be shot with any long gun. As for the red flag laws, didn’t the kook in the Waffle House shooting have his guns taken away and given to his father who promptly returned them. This is political grandstanding at its finest. Now this RINO can say ‘I did something, vote for me’.
VERY WELL STATED AND TRUE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT LANGUAGE HAS CHANGED THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS. HOE IS A FARM IMPLEMENT, BUT IT ALSO MEANS SLUT. GAY USED TO MEAN HAPPY AND NOW IT MEANS QUEER. THOSE WORDS AS THEY WERE WRITTEN AND UNDERSTOOD THEN ARE JUST AS TRUE TODAY, EXCEPT FEW UNDERSTAND THEIR PROPER MEANING! NO JURY WOULD BE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT TODAY, BECAUSE OSOMA OBAMAS VERY ELECTION, HEALTH CARE, EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND ACTION, DEBT WERE ALL RENDERED NULL AND VOID, BY HIS NOT BEING THE CHILD OF TWO NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS!
This kind of post does nothing but spread the kind of myopic drivel both extremes are known for. Saying a jury is too stupid to understand modern English is saying our legal system is flawed. Should we have professional jurors as some other systems? I don’t think you would agree with that, would you?
Summarizing what others have said: This law was passed by a politician behind in a race to keep his seat. It has good intentions but seems to lack the needed balances. There are chances for abuse by citizens as well as Peace Officers. It does nothing to require improvements to tie the background check with required red flag posts from medical, familial and legal systems. It leaves much to be desired in preventing the mentally and socially unstable from slipping through and procuring fire arms while leaving the rights of lawful citizens intact.
Does this sound about right? Could you direct your passion and vitriol in a direction that is more productive?
YOUR JUST TOO STUPID TO OBSERVE AND THEN UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE IN LANGUAGE, ONCE IT WAS EXPLAINED TO YOU! YOU ARE THE VERY TYPE OF PERSON THAT I DESCRIBED AS BEING TOO STUPID TO BE ON A JURY!