Here’s a twisted bit of logic for you. The best way to keep you safe is to make it more difficult for you to keep and bear arms. See, by chipping away at your ability to defend yourself, with the tools of your choosing, you will become safer.
Huh? How does that work? How does suppressing gun ownership and creating more gun-free zones make us safer, especially in the context of defending ourselves from madmen with firearms when police (good guys with guns) are often minutes away?
Well, that’s essentially what Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson wants us to believe in the wake of the Orlando nightclub shooting that left 50 people dead (including the suspect) and 53 more wounded.
“We have to face the fact that meaningful gun control has to be a part of homeland security,” Johnson said in an interview on “CBS This Morning.” “We need to do something to minimize the opportunity for terrorists to get a gun in this country.”
Johnson said that denying those on the no-fly list and terrorist watchlist the right to keep and bear arms is “something that has to be addressed.”
Yet, even if lawmakers in this country placed heavy restrictions on gun ownership, terrorists would still find a way to get their hands on firearms — just as they did during the recent attacks in Paris, France, a country which effectively bans firearms.
“I thought frankly after Sandy Hook where you have schoolchildren murdered in a classroom that maybe finally this will be the tipping point and we were not able to move the needle in Congress, unfortunately,” Johnson said.
Many Americans reject gun control because we see it for what it is, nothing more than a feel-good proposition, a reactionary measure that does nothing to address the underlying cause of violence: evil men hellbent on expressing their pernicious rage through violent acts.
Evil men will always demand firearms. And where there is a will, there is a way. Through legal means or illegal means, evil men will always find a way to get their hands on weapons, especially in a country with 300 million guns. Until we live in a society that universally recognizes that the best way to stop evil men is by force, whether that be at the hand of a law enforcement officer or a responsibly armed citizen, the security of the homeland will always be less than optimal.
Pursuing more gun control in the aftermath of these tragedies accomplishes only two things. It makes feckless and shortsighted lawmakers in Washington feel as if they’ve done something to address the problem. And it creates a society with fewer armed good guys, thus weakening the safety of the public. In short, gun control as a way to combat terrorism, domestic or foreign-born, or stop mass killers is a total and complete failure.
If Secretary Johnson’s real concern is the safety of Americans, he should think long and hard before he starts beating the drum for more gun control.
If it looks like this country will be successful in banning firearms, the bad guys will be trying to get their hands on grenades, gas canisters, acids, and other means of carrying out their evil deeds. However these will not help a citizen defend their self from an attacker or, God forbid, a rogue government.
I do not go to clubs, but if you want to disarm this retired popo come ahead. I will die with you.
Come and take them. I dare you.
That is what the NAZI\’s did you need to replaced or move to Russia.
This jerk needs to be replaced. Sounds like he is part of the “swamp”!
Come control them fool. We will die together. You fools seem to think that you can control Americans. Fools!
Gunfree zones are a bad joke. That Orlando nightclub was a “gun free zone” for gosh sake. I mean, I agree with restricting gun possession where folks are swilling booze but imagine if half of those 50 dead were packing? that jerk would have been a riddled corpse and the story would never have made it off the last page of the bird cage news!
The bottom line is that gun control has NOTHING to do with safety, or public safety anyway. It’s all about control all right. Control of the government. POWER. One has tto always walk lightly in taking over the lives of an armed populace. Disarmed subjects are easy.
I would just continue to rant at this point. I’ve made my point and it’s time to stop. So I’ve stopped…. NEXT!
Gun control has many facets. Police officers need to be trained in something other than ‘throw enough lead at, you’re bound to hit something, eventually’. Gun safety training should be mandatory, just as math and PE is. That way you have exposure to it, and can decide if you want to pursue it, like math and PE. Unfortunately, we still have people afraid of math. Some things are beyond my understanding.
You will never take terrorist’s/criminals guns away and the Federal Tyrannical Government knows this. What does that leave us with? Unarmed law abiding Citizens and they know it. These people trying to take our guns who will not prosecute and keep these criminals and terrorists in prison should be prosecuted for mass murder because that is exactly what they are guilty of every time they do not prosecute a criminal and do not keep them locked up. They are essentially allowing them to commit more atrocities and we are to believe they do not want our guns our only line of defense against these outlaws. Anyone in America on the side of the Government that want our guns is just as guilty as they are of murder. You better wake up or you will be found helpless one day when you could have been saved by a law abiding gun carrying citizen instead of killed by a terrorist or a rapist/murderer. For the life of me I do not understand why people cannot see this. Are you so blindly following your Democratic leaders that do not even care about you that you are willing to be killed for them. There are so many examples of law abiding gun carrying citizens that have saved lives it would shut down your email account for lack of space if I were to forward all of the examples but the corrupt media and Government do not want to address this truth. If you truly want examples of truth send your email address and I will gladly send you massive amounts of local news where citizens saved others by using guns legally yet your Government wants to take them away from us.
Think about this. All of us law abiding citizens with guns would never hurt you in any way and would actually give our life to save yours so what is the problem with this mentality? What are you afraid of? Really we are much more in numbers if allowed to maintain our 2nd amendment rights and the chances of saving your life is much greater with armed citizens that are not criminals.
I never hear a discussion by our politicians on how they will get guns out of the hands of criminals/terrorists, never! What is up with that? Also they are releasing serious criminals all over the Country back into the population to commit their heinous crimes against us again. Please study these facts don’t just take my word for it, if you are willing to read a little you can find these facts out for yourself. Gun owners in America do not want to hurt anyone, criminals want to kill us not law abiding gun owners. Let that sink in a little please.
That hits the nail squarely on the head, as the old saying goes. I agree with you completely and just made a similar comment myself.
One point I forgot to mention is, why worry about “keeping” guns out of the hands of terrorists when they can carry whatever they darn well please as they waltz freely across our unguarded borders? (No offense to or directed at the border guards who are severely hobbled by the government of the very country they are sworn to protect.)
Let’s not forget who Johnson and Lynch work for…Barrack Hussein. It IS Barrack Hussein’s mission to disarm America, these United States Of America to pave the way for One World Government. So far, a well armed America is THEE ONLY reason that the Uselessnited Nations blue helmets haven’t blitzkrieged us like the Nazis first did Poland, and then most of the rest of Europe, and they are chomping at the bit. One World Government is the mission of Barrack Hussein, and disarming We The People WILL make that happen, AND Hillary Clinton openly says that if elected she WILL finish what Barrack Hussein hasn’t in way of his third treasonous, rabidly anti-American term.
No gun control has not become theresponsibility of the doh. That is already covered in our Constitution. It’s called the 2nd Amendment. Which part don’t you and your skinny muslim boss not understand ? I believe you will understand when SHTF in our Country and it’s coming. I will Not surrender my guns to you or anyone else and I will fight to the death to defend my God given rights as well as my Constitutional rights and I know many, many others that will do the same !
Heck all the terrorists have to do is go to Cali and find some of Senator Lee’s buddies. They can get you all the weapons, RPG’s and grenades striaght thru a government rep.
Boy, another Muslim appointed by Muslim Obama. They want the guns so they can do the same thing Hitler did. No one is going to take my guns or ammo. They can kiss my AS*.
The only thing that is keeping ISIS and the like from attacking us in waves is the fact that we are a heavily armed society.
The only thing that keeps Obama from staying in the White House past his term is again that we are a heavily armed society.
We have power as people of this country. Now they want to take that power away.
NO, Fascist ASSHOLE! We DON’T ” have to ace the fact that meaningful gun control has to be a part of Homeland Security”!
Who the fuck told you to say that, Obama?
We know he doesn’t ‘get it’, but you should. And you should ‘get’ the part where we don’t really need the DHS, or quite a few of these other tax wasting do nothing alphbet agencies? What have you done so far to stop any serious ISIS Muslim Soldiers from the Middle East Nation known as the Islamic State, formally known as Iraq-Syria, from attacking us?
They declared war on us and You are gripping and begging for MORE FUCKING ABSOLUTELY USELESS AND ACTUALLY DANGEROUS TO OUR SAFETY GUN CONTROL…on WE THE FUCKING PEOPLE!???
Now that you and this Fascist regime think All of us are stupid, you want to add insult to injury and just…REGISTER OUR GUNS AND DISARM US AT WILL?
You’re FIRED, BITCH! Pack your shit and hit it, NOW!
The Obama Administration is bent on taking away the 2nd Amendment and banning firearms and this is just another way of throwing an idea against the wall and seeing if it sticks. You better believe that Clinton if elected will make sure that we lose our right to possess firearms and protect ourselves. Banning guns means that only the good citizens are defenseless, the bad guys will still have their firearms.
“Keep guns out of the hands of terrorist”?? How about secure our boarders and “keep the terrorists out of the country” rather than disarm the country while inviting them in from terrorists capital of the world Syria.
The irony here is that the Department of Homeland Security had a manager in charge of procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Ayo Kimathi, who was discovered by the Southern Poverty Law Center to run http://waronthehorizon.com, a Web site advocating race war and saying “in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our Christian hearts can possibly count.”
Mr. Kimathi was placed on administrative leave for four months, still being paid while it was determined whether his Web site violated the Department of Homeland Security’s regulations on outside activities for its employees. Four months seems a little long to decide that “we are going to have to kill a lot of whites” violates DHS policy.
So, when a Secretary of Homeland Security says “gun control is a matter of homeland security” without checking with Congress first – or taking four months to check into the matter – one thinks that priorities are being badly misplaced.
They are afraid they’re afraid what they have done and I was coming back all in one big package and so now they tried to use gun control too also stop black people from purchasing bearing the right and protecting their families because of the blood that they spilled in this country just remember my people what goes around comes around what goes up must come down LOL
American people are not the terrorists the so-called leaders of this country and the time is up karma is what it’s called Ameri Karma LOL they want to try to use gun laws to keep the indigenous people of this land and world from bearing arms and protecting their family and those people AR the black people the Indians the melanated people guess what my wicked wicked wicked friends out there time’s up I’m taking the one taking away someone’s rights to bear arms blaspheme against God the great God of the universe LOL…
As of 1/2014 – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/dhs-race-war-ayo-kimathi_n_4428421.html
The time has come to limit the presidential powers. NO MORE executive orders except for WAR. This ( i don’t know what you would call him) is a run away train for executive orders. All are BAD !!
It is sad that there are so many stupid and hateful comments in this blog. There have been 86 incidents with firearms that US Citizens have lost their lives. The USA is at the top of the world list of deaths from the use of firearms. As a gun owner, I support GUN CONTROL for non-US citizens and felons who have been convicted of crimes against persons or property. No one on the No-Fly should be allowed to own or purchase firearms, ammo, and gunpowder. ALL purchasers of firearm Must go through a background check. The Background check should be extended to TEN working days, from three. Any that commit a crime with a firearm it should be a federal offense, and TEN years in prison, attached to the other charges. Once all my suggestions are in place. I would like to see some day that my Conceal Handgun License would be good in ALL states. Many of the gun idiots need to STOP telling the lies that government is trying to take away your weapons. False information and rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.
The United States of Anerica’s also the world’s second-largest democracy. As far as gun deaths are considered, they’re not out of line for a country of 330,000,000 people.
I agree on the background checks IF eligibility to purchase firearms is legally and transparently determined. Obama’s current regulations allowing Social Security to deny those retirees who nominate a representative payee or anyone the Social Security Adminsitration decides should not own a firearm that right are in direct violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 as well as the Due Process clause in the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment.
The government IS trying to take our weapons away. That’s one of the reasons the Obama adminstration was so eager to sign the UN Small Arms treaty. You’re the idiot, for denouncing people who in some cases have more information than do you and apparently more ability to process it.
Thats nuts. The government does not have the right to remove firearms. If you remove the 4 cities, Detroit, New Orleans, Washington and Chicago which have THE STRONGEST GUN LAWS America is in the bottom 10% in murders per capita. If you dont like guns, dont own one. If you have an emergency dont call the cops, they have guns
Ask some folks in other countries how they lost the ability to own firearms and how the cycle was started. You will find it started with minimal regulation that eventually led to confiscation. Don’t be so closed minded to what happened in other countries as it could happen here in a hear beat.
Yeah it’s sad there are stupid comments on this blog, and YOUR’s is the worst!
Steve Crawford here is the classic sycophant stooge the Fascist mind control people like to ‘play with.’ He’s one of those morons that the Leftists like to cite for support justification for their disarmament laws that ‘89% of Americans over all want more gun control.
There shouldn’t be an illegal anti-Constittional no due process subjective administrative Fiat mandated free movement restricting Fascist ability to create a no fly list in the first place. And NOW they want to attach another arbitrary, useless, but highly abusable gun ban to that???
And Stupid Steve here even ups the ante and from his obviously self prescribed hubris of his holier-than-thou higher moral
ground and actually thinks he can ‘Improve’ upon the Totalitarian gun suppression we already are experiencing! His idea of supporting Gun Control makes the Waffen SS look like Libertarian Freedom fighters!
The irony here is if Hell Bitch Hitlary gets in–and it’s too close to call right now, especially with cognitively deceased imbeciles like Steve here directly or indirectly supporting here, Stevie boy himself will have a good chance of being one of those horrible felons he so despises and wants to eternally punish.
I can tell just from the tone of his rhetoric that he’s probably on medications or has a psychological emotional content problem, which will be one of the ‘medical’ criteria keeping you from possessing a gun by Administrative decree and ATF enforcement.
Because like all pitiful victims of the government mind control agenda, People like Steve’s flawed subconsciousness’ are exploited and further deluded with agenda misconceptions that just a ‘little more improved gun CONTROL’ is all that is needed for everyone to be all smoogie woogie suck ass safe in your bedroom. INSTEAD OF THEIR REAL MISSION WHICH IS TOTAL DISARMAMENT OF THE POPULATE so they can then easily tax us into servitude and eventual slavery.
Absolutely No Comprosise, no quarter, and NO MORE CONTROL, PERIOD, in the WAR for our AMERICAN FREEDOM!
Congress should be REPEALING ALL gun laws, NOT making new ones!
Steve Crawford, you apparently live in the Separatist state California. There is no waiting period to buy a gun in AMERICA, so making a 10 day waiting period is stupid. Criminals buy them on the blackmarket or steal them or are handed them by government agents. Wake up and smell some freedom.
Just like the Nazis in 1933.
“The deadline set by § 4 of the Ordinance for the Surrender of Weapons will expire on March 31, 1933. I therefore request the
immediate surrender of all arms from former army stores to the local stations of the Gendarmie”
In other words, anyone who possessed a military rifle or handgun was a public enemy unless he or she was a member of a Nazi-approved organization. Of the three listed organizations, the SS (Schutzstaffeln) or Elite Guard of the National Socialist Party, headed by Heinrich Himmler, emerged as the most powerful Nazi police.
Does this sound familiar?
Nazi decree March 28, 1933
“On March 28, the State Ministry of the Interior headed by Frick issued a secret directive to the government units, police, municipal commissars, and special commissioners of the highest SA leaders regarding the execution of the ordinance on the surrender of military weapons. It began: “Despite all of the measures taken so far, parts of the population opposed to the national government and the national movement behind it are still in possession of military weapons and military ammunition.”It ordered the police “immediately to order the population to surrender any military weapons in a timely manner to the special commissars listed in the official gazettes as well as in the local press.” Weapons to be surrendered included not just heavy weapons but also “military rifles” (which were bolt actions) and “army revolvers.” ”
Back in the 1930’s the standard military arms were the bolt action rifle and revolver handgun. Hitler and the Nazis didn’t want “undesirable” citizens to be armed with the same weapons the military had. We all know how that turned out for Germany’s Jews, Gypsies, gays, blacks, physically and mentally handicapped, Communists, and other “Untermensch.” Now our own Government is considering this very same plan.
Stay vigilant, stay strong, be aware…….
Do you have any idea what the population of Germany was at that time?
About 80 million – true believers and sheeple
What do you expect from Home Land Security and the CIA both are appointed by Obama the illegal, Muslim, liar, and now I will add terrorist because he has tied the hands of the FBI on how they investigate. The head of Homeland Security is a Muslim, and the head of the CIA is a Muslim. God Help America from the voting electorate.
Did anyone see Geraldo Rivera on The O’Reilly Factor last night go on a rant screaming that , “a terrorist on a watch list shouldn’t be allowed to buy a machine gun and kill 49 people.”.
Bill sat there as did Eric Bolling and never corrected the 73 year old nut job that will not leave tv that he needs to check his facts before he opens his nasty piehole.
The other day I heard Mark Thurman (a retired COP!) say that an AR15 shoots 100rnds in 9seconds. I fired of an email on that one !
Most unfortunately O’Reilly, Heraldo, and the entire “The Five” crew are as stunningly ignorant as all other media types about firearms, firearms laws – every commentator should have to take a Basic Firearms 101 course, basic firearms training, and have a reading list three feet tall on the history, nomenclature, and development of firearms before they are allowed to broadcast on anything having to do with firearms. Here is a licensing, registration idea that all Americans should demand – a background check for talking heads and an end to the No-Nothing media imbecile loop hole.
Has anyone ever seen or heard of the POTUS eat bacon , a porkchop , pork rinds … ?
Let’s not forget that he let’s lots of the wrong ppl from the wrong countries visit and have dinner at the WH.
Don’t forget that he takes a lot of guidance from the muslim brotherhood.
I’ve been saving pdf articles for 7 years now of his treasonous acts.
(Him and Hillary keep me busy pdf.ing files)
How can our Congress allow him to do what he has been doing and is about to do.
DC needs to be wiped off the map and allowed to go back to swamp land and a new WH built in the middle of Kansas and start over.
This country is going through a bad change in history and it’s going fast. Either it’s saved now or it’ll be to late.
False information and rumors are carried by haters, YOU, spread by fools, YOU, and accepted by idiots,YOU.
Seriously Steve! You seem to be the biggest rumormonger and hate spreader. And talk about idiots! YOU!!! Get a life and quit being Obummer’s water boy!
Keep this in mind the next time you are about to repeat a rumour or spread gossip around.
In ancient Greece, Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom.
One day an acquaintance ran up to him excitedly and said, “Socrates, do you know what I just heard about Diogenes?”
“Wait a moment,” Socrates replied, “Before you tell me I’d like you to pass a little test. It’s called the Triple Filter Test.”
‘Triple filter?” asked the acquaintance.
“That’s right,” Socrates continued, “Before you talk to me about Diogenes let’s take a moment to filter what you’re going
to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?”
“No,” the man said, “Actually I just heard about it.”
“All right,” said Socrates, “So you don’t really know if it’s true or not. Now let’s try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what
you are about to tell me about Diogenes something good?”
“No, on the contrary…”
“So,” Socrates continued, “You want to tell me something about Diogenes that may be bad, even though you’re not certain it’s true?”
The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued, “You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter, the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about Diogenes going to be useful to me?”
“No, not really.”
“Well,” concluded Socrates, “If what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even useful, why tell it to me or anyone at all?”
The man was bewildered and ashamed. This is an example of why Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem.
It also explains why Socrates never found out that Diogenes was shagging his wife. (But arguably, that knowledge could have been useful for Socrates because he might not have been forced to drink hemlock for supposedly “corrupting” the male youth of Athens!
Can you make public your collection of pdf’s you’ve amassed, maybe on a website? I’d be interested seeing them all in one place.
Thanks
It’s always the leftists who first blame the gun and never the gunman. If America would screen the people coming in from Muslim countries this mans family would never gained entrance to our nation or access to our guns. Same as the other Muslim murders.
This is only the beginning of the third Jihad. Does anyone seriously think that all of those army aged young men going to Europe from Africa, and the middle east is by accident and not planed? No this is only the beginning. We need to keep them out! not limit access to guns.
I noticed in the media coverage of the Orlando incident that the National Rifle Assn has not made any comment concerning an American born person with a legally obtained firearm committing this heinous crime. What’s the matter Mr LaPierre? Too chicken?
The NRA should hold a press conference after any further incidents of this nature, stating that “we accept the collateral damage that occurred to protect our right to obtain and own firearms.”
Mark, perhaps you’d be more comfortable living in Chicago. The US city with some of the strickest gun laws, but in the last 5 years has had more gun murders than there have been US military killed in the Middle East. Or maybe in France, the European country that bans firearms, yet where Muslims are killing Christians at an alarming rate. Wonder how many Muslims a Parisian could have stopped if he’d been able to defend himself and family with a gun. Mark you must be ready to hand your wife and family over to these Radicals instead of atempting to stop their defiling them and your neighbors. While I defend your ability to make not clearly thought statements, you need to defend me with the ability to defend you to the best way they will understand.
A liberal troll on GunsAmerica!! The NRA has nothing to do with anyone obtaining or not obtaining a firearm, the Second Amendment of the Bill Of Rights we have as Americans clearly states that as an inalienable right living in the country. The liberal gun grabbers struggle with that (Probably have since 1791) because they will never exude the amount of control over the people that they really want as long as it exists. Hence why his majesty, BHO, jumps right on that gun grab message every time he has a high profile event. The NRA simply protects that right for the people. If you want to give up your rights, move to Australia or the UK, or maybe that is where you are already. That being the case, stop posting here. The firearm didn’t murder 49 people, a sick human did. When will the government stop deflecting the problem and blaming a symptom? My gawd, look at all the resource being used to attack the symptom. Think how much progress could be made if they really tried to find a cure to the murders!
Should the ACLU accept responsibility for lives taken by the recidivist murderers it’s turned out on the streets by insisting their civil rights be respected? For you’re demanding someone apologize because someone else abused an enumerated Constitutional right. You might as well ask the head of CAIR to apologize because a Muslim shot 49 people, abusing Muslim theology to justify his acts. PLEASE hold your breath waiting for that.
I accept it – pity you can’t seem to.
And the NRA were not involved, so there’s no need for them to comment.
Though clearly you like to spout off about things you’re not involved with.
the man , where he was trying to buy armor for him self,, called the FBI,, said he thought ths man was up to something.. FBI never checked it out,, they are told not to ck muslim ,,,please don’t offen them.
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Mark, Orlando was proof gun control works. Nobody had a gun to defend themselves. In gun free zones the average death toll is >13 and only end when the bad guy kills himself, a police stand off is rare. In areas where citizens don’t have their rights infringed, </= 5 dead, why? Because the bad guy gets to decide when the rampage begins and then a good guy can stop the bad guy.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Unless you are willing to have your home searched and everything destroyed looking for guns and your yard dug up, stop pushing for confiscation. The only way to reduce the guns in America is door to door searches and a military presence in the streets.
If you want to stop gun violence, start educating children, stop preaching hate, start prosecuting criminals, start offering mental health assistance without huge penalties (allow people to heal and get better), and stop making gun free zones. Have a policy like Texas, businesses and government buildings must post a sign that is a certain size and wording that indicates you cannot carry openly or concealed in their building (30.06 and 30.07 signs). Make private businesses and government building managers decide if they want to be victims and let citizens decide if they want to shop at or visit a victim zone.
Cheers to you Mark the Sheep.
If the right of a citizen to due process under law is taken, what’s left to protect?
The Due Process clause is apparently holding Obama back, along with the rest of the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If you don’t want terrorists to get guns then don’t let terrorists into the USA.
Gun control means a steady hold so you don’t miss your enemy
1. AT WHAT TIME IS MASS MURDER OK? It has been illegal forever and guess what- criminals still kill.
Guns are just a scapegoat and political football for headlines.
2. This A-hole was investigated directly TWICE by the FBI and again at each gun purchase. THE GOVERNMENT APPROVED HIS GUN PURCHASES. SO more laws are needed?
3. So weary of politicals attacking the law abiding citizen when criminals need to be punished and not set free.
4. Had ONE..yes just ONE security guard or armed citizen been present this would have turned out a lot differently.
5. Criminals prey on the unprotected.. It is their way
6. Lawbreakers by definition do not follow laws.. Nuff said.
Reality4U:
There was a off duty Police Officer who was hired by the club owner working that night at the club.
When shots were first fired, the off duty Officer engaged the gunman and realized he was outgunned and left the club. (that’s right, left the club)
About three minutes later two other Officers showed up and the three Officers went inside and the gunman took hostages and retreated to the bathroom. There were no shots fired after the gunman retreated to the bathroom, which means all the deceased and wounded victims was inflicted in the first 4 minutes.
Then shots were fired and the guman was killed 3 hours later when the Swat Team busted a hole in the wall and the guman came out of the hole with the hostages and engaged the Swat officers. The gunman was then killed by Swat.
In my opinion, the Off Duty Officer working that night did not have the same ambition to serve a protect the same way that he would have, had he been on duty on the streets
(then again, this is just my opinion)
Wonder what made that off-duty police officer decide he was out-gunned? From on-scene accounts, the shooter was engaging in rapid-fire, which makes me wonder if he hadn’t dropped an autosear or one of these “technically semi-auto” trigger kits GunsAmerica features now and then into his AR-15. Three guesses what the new BATFE regulations will outlaw….
There was an off-duty cop moonlighting as a security guard/bouncer. Since the shooter was also a regular at the bar, he probably knew who to shoot first. But good point. Some localities allow weapons in bars, which sounds like a bad idea, until you contemplate that just one or two people there might have been in a good position to save other people’s lives.
I watched this interview live, and thought that we’re nearing the end of a Free America as we know it. The Obama Administration is intentionally doing things to destabilize the US. Their silence on all the “protests”/civil unrest (which are really riots kicked off by paid instigators); refusing to acknowledge Islamic Terrorism; forcing us to allow “Syrian Refugees” (look at them – 90+% are fighting-aged MEN – they aren’t refugees, they are an invasion); telling the AG to go after anti-Muslim rhetoric as hate speech (what happened to the 1st Amendment?); and once again, going after firearms owned by law abiding citizens!
My fear is we’re spending a lot of time and energy thinking and talking about the upcoming elections in November. What if there aren’t any? What if there is enough “civil unrest” that the Administration declares martial law and suspends the elections?
Don’t think it can’t happen…
There you go. Tightening the screws toward gun control (actually control of the people) a little bit more by saying that it falls under the realm of the sanctified Homeland Security! Once the wussy Rino element within Congress go for it, they will be coming for everyone’s guns except for the guns held by the criminals & terrorists & assorted thugs & punks.
Called my RINO’s office in DC and got transferred to a bored-sounding guy who sighed and said, “Yes, I’ll pass that on to Sen. (name withheld) and Sen (other name withheld).” Somehow I didn’t trust him with that important errand, as he didn’t even take my name and address as most constituent care staff do. I called my other Senator (not a RINO) up and made SURE he got the message – gun control doesn’t work, no more of it for us, thanks.
We are witnessing the collapse of the only free country left on earth. 8 years of a failed Obama administration and the possibility of 8 more years of a Hillary Clinton presidency will complete the demise of America. The Supreme Court will be made up of liberal judges for the next 30 – 40 years, guaranteeing that the total liberal progressive agenda will be fulfilled. If by chance, the liberals become the majority in Congress, the Constitution will be no more than a scrap of paper and thrown into the trash. I don’t understand why there is little outrage in community of gun owners. Perhaps it’s because we still believe that it can’t happen here in America. Where is the 5 million patriots march on Washington? You just can’t sit in front of your computer and complain to others who feel the same way. Get politically active and let your elected officials know that you won’t support any one who wants to trample on the Bill of Rights.
DID You FEEL The WIND From Homeland Security Secretary.????? UP Your BUT.?????
Gun safety should be taught in health and safety class(which should be a requirement to get a hs diploma or a GED. I am sure that the local pd(or school pd) has officers that could show basic gun safety with cutout guns or the like. a few films on what guns can do to feral hogs should be enough to make anyone think twice. If you take a kid hunting and teach him to clean his kill – that is enough for most. A firearm is a tool for protection and food gathering, most children of gun enthusists want nothing to do with firearms, once you impress that firearms have to be taken care of and all the safe procedures get learned, there is no wonder about these tools. Like driving a car, it can get pretty boring.
Even better – take a page from the Russians and require all high school kids to take JROTC. They’d be familiarized with their issue weapons (if we had to mobilize the draft-age population suddenly) and have a clue about miltiary decorum. The idea of five-ten million kids a year graduating with basic military training makes me smile. We might need that mobilization base if Putin keeps his govno up.
The mere fact that these left wing idiots even remotely believe that potential terrorists will not get their hands on weapons with or without “meaningful, responsible gun control” measures is yet another indication of why the term “idiots” is appropriate to describe them.
Although it won’t work for the obvious reason stated above (they are criminals for goodness sakes), I would not oppose the ability of the government to restrict suspected terrorists from legally buying guns, other than the fact that you know full well that our government would overstep their bounds if given the chance. With the way the government is delving into individuals’ personal affairs, the next thing you know you’ll try to buy an AR-15 only to find out you can’t. Why? Because you wrote an email to your friend that opined that the current POTUS was an idiot and it was intercepted and the conclusion was made that you are obviously an anti-U.S. “terrorist”. LOL
ALL assault type weapons should be outlawed.
Move to Canada. They’re all de-milled already and – guess what – still lots of violent crine!
There you go again, Steve. Saying stupid stuff! Go out in the backyard and play with your cap guns!
The mere fact that these left wing idiots even remotely believe that potential terrorists will get their hands on weapons with or without “meaningful, responsible gun control” measures is yet another indication of why the term “idiots” is appropriate to describe them.
Although it won’t work for the obvious reason stated above (they are criminals for goodness sakes), I would not oppose the ability of the government to restrict suspected terrorists from legally buying guns, other than the fact that you know full well that our government would overstep their bounds if given the chance. With the way the government is delving into individuals’ personal affairs, the next thing you know you’ll try to buy an AR-15 only to find out you can’t. Why? Because you wrote an email to your friend that opined that the current POTUS was an idiot and it was intercepted and the conclusion was made that you are obviously an anti-U.S. “terrorist”. LOL
how about if you find your name on said list, would that make a difference. the question again is not that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase weapons because we all know they will just smuggle them in from down south, right mr. holder? the question is and will always remain that anybodies name can be added to said list and then the person has 2 options facing them. either accept it or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees fighting it for years and years to come. don’t tell me that our government is above and beyond being corrupt because if you believe that then you are simply hopeless and helpless.
The muslim in charge of Homeland security is telling we will be safer without firearms while more and more terrorists are allowed into the country. That’s what we should expect with a muslim in the oval office, a muslim in charge of homeland security, a muslim in charge of the CIA, and the PC crowd in charge of the media. No thanks, I will keep my gun.
S.H. Blannelberry, the author of the original piece, seems to undermine part of his argument with this line: “Through legal means or illegal means, evil men will always find a way to get their hands on weapons, especially in a country with 300 million guns.” While I agree evil men will always find a way to get their hands on weapons, to state that they could, or would, get their weapons from the law-abiding citizenry who own them infers that this same group of weapon owners won’t do a good job of keeping them out of evil men’s hands. Blannelberry, in a way, is making the argument that there are just too many guns in the U.S.
As relates to other writers thoughts on attacks in France, and the fact that guns are very difficult to get there and other places , “If you want gun control to keep you safe move to Australia, England or some other European country (WORKS SO WELL FOR THEM, RIGHT??!!)” – – Well, yes, it actually does work well for them. Far fewer people are killed with guns in the EU than the U.S. And Australia… YES, FAR FAR FAR FEWER. This is not an argument to make when discussing gun control, and only weakens support for gun ownership in the U.S. by non-gun owners.
Many of the replies above are somewhat specious arguments at best. As is the argument that Switzerland wasn’t invaded by Hitler because the citizenry was armed to the teeth. While that IS TRUE, the further truth is that the Swiss people did not do this on their own – the SWISS GOVERNMENT allowed it and supported it, and built a lot of forts at strategic spots in the country as well. In a sense the citizens became the Swiss Army. And luck played a role as well as Hitler was fighting on two fronts. Add a third? No thanks.
When discussing guns and gun control with folks who don’t think it exists, or who wants more of it, when one makes the argument that the 2nd amendment provides the U.S. citizenry the right to bear arms to defend themselves from a tyrannical government, one may actually find themselves on the side of a citizen-terrorist who believes that the U.S. government has become a “tyrant.” If he had chosen firearms instead of fertilizer, Timothy McVeigh comes to mind.
When discussing guns and gun control with folks who don’t think it exists, or who wants more of it, I think one of the discussion points to make is that while 30K people are killed with firearms every year in the U.S., only 1/3 are murders (20K are sadly suicides). And even if those 10K murders happened at the hands of legally acquired firearms by legal gun owners, the percentage of legal gun owners killing people is 0.00011111111111% (10K divided by 90M gun owners). Another is that 10K people were killed in killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States. There are about 210M drivers, so the percentage of those killed by automobile is about half those murdered with guns.
While both are very very low, the position we all should take is that they are both much too high and we need to find a way to bring them both down.
Yes, we should be thinking of ways to limit the absurd taking of life. I think we can all agree that 2 years old shooting and killing their siblings, friends, parents, and grandparents is absurd.
If gun owners continue to invoke the 2nd amendment as a blanket of protection, or a brick wall, without making some sort of reasonable negotiation on limits to what can be owned/purchased (an army tank, bazooka, or fully-auto weapon is no longer enough), or who can’t purchase firearms (mentally ill, domestic abusers, felons, etc.), or licensing and testing (much like a hunter’s safety course) and perhaps retesting every five years, or how a gun should be carried and where (I cc and would like to carry everywhere), then legal owners will continue to be viewed as neanderthals and supporters of gun violence instead of thoughtful people who want to stop it the violence.
I believe thoughtful and critical thinking on the issue of guns and gun control and innocent people getting killed is a requirement if we’re going to pretty much keep what we have.
Davy conveniently adopts the PC methodology of ignoring demographics in our and other countries!
Almost all the recent mass murderers identify as, or came from, Democratic or progressive backgrounds, and it’s probably a safe bet that inner city gun violence, is perpetrated by other than those voting conservative !
DBC – I don’t think you have you have your facts straight that “Almost all the recent mass murderers identify as, or came from, Democratic or progressive backgrounds, and it’s probably a safe bet that inner city gun violence, is perpetrated by other than those voting conservative !” As to the mass shootings, you have your facts backward. Here are the facts:
1) Orlando – Muslim extremist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
2) Charleston Church – Dylan Roof published a manifesto of his POV on race, and photos of himself posing with emblems of white supremacy (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
3) Newtown Sandy Hook Elementary – no facts whether Lanza, or his parents, were Democrat or GOP. Interesting to note that in the last POTUS election while CT voted 2-1 Democrat, Newtown voted for Romney 51.7%t to 47%.
4) Ft. Hood – Muslim extremist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
5) Columbine – the boys weren’t old enough to vote. The claim that their parents were Democrats is unsubstantiated. What little ideology the boys demonstrated owed mostly to an admiration for Timothy McVeigh not Ted Kennedy. Harris’ father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric Harris wanted to join the Marine Corps. The boys lived in Littleton, Colorado a relatively
conservative and affluent suburb of Denver.
6) Timothy McVeigh (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
7) Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills – Shooter was a white supremacist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
8) Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church – shooter hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans & homosexuals (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
9) Florida – Dannie Baker – shot 5 chilean immigrants – obsessed with fear that illegal limmigrants were taking over the country (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
10) Pittsburgh – Popalowski murders 3 cops – Popalowski thought Obama and gov was part of conspiracy to seize all guns. (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
11) Dr. George Tiller was murdered by a right-wing pro-life shooter. (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
12) National Holocaust Museum – shooter was right-wing white supremacist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
13) West Memphis, AK – killers of two cops were “Sovereign Citizens.” (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
14) Sikh Temple, Oak Creek, WI – killer of six was white supremacist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
15) McDonalds – San Ysidro, CA – killer of 21 hated “children, Mexicans and the United States. (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
16) Brockton, MA – killer was white supremacist (neither liberal or progressive leanings)
Nidal Hasan
The overall violent crime rate in England and Wales is four times that of the US. Rapes are four times that of the US, just to let you know that we’re not talking about some weak-tea British definition of “violent crime” here. Knifings are so common there, some British physicians are advocating confiscation of steak knives.
You’re the first person in a long time to come around bragging about the supposedly low crime rate in the United Kingdom, which has always been an “apples and oranges” sort of comparison, granted the relative lack of guns in civilian hands in the UK throughout its history – recreational shooting largely being a rural, upper-and-middle class pursuit there, and criminals generally never having had the recourse to weapons in the UK they’ve had in the US.
To turn the US into the UK, you’d have to not only erase the Second Amendment from the Constitution, but the whole model around which the US military has been built for its entire existence, of citizen soldiers, not a professional standing army. You’d also have to ask most of the American middle class to move somewhere else, say, Canada.
Without the National Guard and Reserve formations of our armed forces, the US wouldn’t have a deployable military, and without a gun culture it’s arguable we wouldn’t have enough volunteers for either our regular forces, the reserve component, or the state National Guards. Our “gun culture” is not pathological. It’s a consequence of our nation’s history and culture. If you’d like to avoid it, I understand it only costs a few thousand dollars to hire a Canadian immigration lawyer.
loopgarous… thanks for taking the time to read and respond. Note that I carry everyday everywhere it’s legal. Note that I don’t advocate turning the US into the UK, nor erasing or tweaking the 2nd Amendment. Note that I did not write our “gun culture” is pathological” so you have no need to refute it. As for what I’d like to avoid… I think people with mental illness, on the no-fly and terrorists lists, guilty of domestic violence should not have access to guns. After rereading my comment on gun control and the UK, I see why you elevated “crime rate” in the discussion. My intent was to focus on crimes with guns, specifically murders. Note I also mentioned Australia and New Zealand enjoy stronger gun control than the US. I’ll add Japan and Canada to that list. Anyway, I read your notes on UK crime, and I appreciate them – and I did a little homework and learned that the UK can be pretty violent. I didn’t know to the extent. So thanks. In my research I also learned that your facts regarding the UK and a higher overall crime rate are not cut and dry. There seems to be a great difference as to the definition of violent crimes in each country. I found some folks (both sides of the debate) say the UK is higher, some not. One says it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it. But then tries. Overall, it’s tough. I think we can safely agree agree that the US has more citizen mass murders by gun than any other country. Here are few links to help shed some light (note some links are 3 yrs old):
1) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/
2) https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com
3) http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
4) https://www.quora.com/Does-the-United-Kingdom-have-a-violent-crime-rate-four-times-higher-than-the-United-States
5) https://www.facebook.com/notes/richard-baldwin/ah-but-what-about-violent-crime-in-the-uk-compared-to-the-usa/10151227661611755/
6) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-04-24/u-k-gun-curbs-mean-more-violence-yet-fewer-deaths-than-in-u-s-
7) http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/crime-us-vs-uk/
Give this HACK his walking papers QUICKLY! PLEASE!!
Just a note: This is the message on road signs entering and leaving Greenleaf, Idaho: “Welcome to Greenleaf, this is not a gun free zone”
Jeh ,towing the p.c. muslim talking points /
We had no problem with gun ownership before Obama got in office and we all know why he wants our guns. The same reason Hitler disarmed Germany. We the people are not stupid, and we know the Orlando episode along with all the others were staged by the Obama Administration, so you all cannot take our guns so give it up. You will start the biggest war in America if you try and you will lose.
“We had no problem with gun ownership before Obama got in office…”
Are you really that naive? Do you read anything of the history of gun control measures in this country? Is you narrow and uniformed point of view based entirely upon the current presidents political party or perhaps his ethnicity?
Gun control in America started way back in the 1930’s. Please do all law abiding gun owners a favor and educate yourself before you post on blogs. You sound about as well informed as the control crowd but you lack even a modicum of sensible argument.
NOW there’s a man that needs his Head Examine! Put him on the NO FLY LIST!
NOW there’s a nam that needs his Head Examine! Put him on the NO FLY LIST!
“Jeh” ….moron cannot even figure out how to spell his own name.
When will the government get it right? The gun laws are as they should be….. the lawless ones that misuse weapons are the problem!!!!!!!!! The founding fathers knew it was wrong to be stripped of the right to bear arms, freedom of speech and assembly etc., etc.. Why is it so hard to get a handle on this?? It’s been in print for many years now. Have we grown a generation of ungrateful “American’s”? If you want gun control to keep you safe move to Australia, England or some other European country (WORKS SO WELL FOR THEM, RIGHT??!!). We left that crap long in the wake of our beginning. We are free and yes we enjoy our freedoms. They work for us and going back to a time when they were not is insane an well as asinine. Once freedom is attained and so many lives have been lost to preserve it, even for the ungrateful (still able to voice their opinions) trying to take these away becomes a spark that could lead to something no-one wants. Who knows, it might be a deterrent for all those trying to come through the borders and trying to take us down with them!
This is just stupid, politically correct response from the man who was appointed by Obama. Mr. Johnson is way out of touch and should be made to attend Marines training camps. I bet he has a retinue of security people guarding him 24/7. What a joke.
Let Hilary and the rest show us how its done. No armed guards for these idiots
Rather than going after the problem, islamic terrorism, the government uses this incident to attack the very citizens it should be protecting. Islam has been a plague on the world since the Seventh Century. I am extremely mistrustful of the idea of denying firearms to anyone on a government watch list when they refuse to even acknowledge the source of the problem. What a ready tool to place anyone who disagrees with their agenda of cultural marxism and political correctness on the list.
See the action that Australia too many years ago after one of these mass casualty events. Gun owner ship was restricted and the murder rate dropped, suicide by gun dropped and the crime rate did not increase. No ones freedom is repressed today in that country. Life went on, but with lower rates of gun violence. That’s not an opinion, that’s data….that’s fact. Do you think it’s Islamic terrorists that are murdering a citizen in Chicago every 17 hours this summer? No, it’s lunatics and criminals with easy-to-get guns. They’ve probably gotten those guns out of the trunk of a car or at a gun show. So, let’s start putting some common sense laws about guns on the books and you guys chill out about your fantasy of being oppressed by the government.
Okay let’s say (Heaven forbid) that our firearms are taken away from us.
The punks in Chicago will still have guns , will be going into even more houses.
The crime rate will skyrocket.
There will not be one law biding citizen safe.
Thinking that they may be shot if they break down a door is what keeps them in check as much as they are.
Say that with a magic wand the punks had their guns taken away too, (dream on).
Would not the new “from the trunk of a car” be smugglers bringing in guns from the open southern border ?
Tell us how well hiding under the bed works for you when some punk and his 6 buddies are on top of your 13 year old daughter.
You are a moron and you deserve/need to be the next victim to get the 2A religion.
I’m sick and tired of you liberals trying for over 200 years to take away our rights. When will enough be enough ?
Sandy Hook.
Gun Free Zone or Armed Staff on duty? Hummmm, I think I’ll pick “Notice: Armed staff on Duty”, works for me.
I think there should be at least three people with license to carry their own concealed weapon in each of our schools (not teachers), probably the janitors or anyone that has the ability to walk the halls freely, would cost nothing. The key word is TRAINED!! The kids in our schools deserve better protection than nothing. I don’t think armed guards or police protection will work, too expensive and too slow. As for increasing government involvement in this, we could increase that by 500% and still have worse than nothing. Controlling the entertainment industry and the mass media would solve a lot of the problem, but they are all in Obama’s pocket, you won’t see anything there.
I have mixed emotions about banning guns of any type. Any weapon in the hands of a fool is dangerous, no matter what it is,including a club, God will never enter these people. The Democrats banned God from their own convention which should tell you which way they are heading. God will never enter these people either. I grew up in the age of EVERYONE had to go through gun safety training, plus when I was in Boy Scouts, I won several badges for shooting and other related servival programs. We had very few problems. I did get sent home from a camp out when I was 12 for bringing a 6-pack of beer, but that’s another story.
In Switzerland, EVERYONE used to go through the military and took their fully Automatic weapons home with them. That is why Hitler left that country alone. Bottom line, its about the shooter, not the weapon. I guess the answer starts with the Parents and the Education System. This last nutcase (and he won’t be the last) had an idiot for a mother and fools for teachers!! He was allowed to lock himself in a basement room for days and play violent games, no parenting there. The teachers HAD to have some clues. He drove right passed three other school zones to get to the one that is a “GUN FREE ZONE”. Where was the father? Was this couple involved in a church AT ALL, don’t think so. A gun free zone sign is a green light to these people!
Bottom line? gun free zones & Social correct views killed those kids!
WE get attacked and our government wants to take OUR rights? They forget who they work for.
“We need to do something to minimize the opportunity for terrorists to get a gun in this country.” How about we do something to minimize the opportunity for terrorists to get in this country, like, say, build a wall, beef up the border patrol, or even better yet, bring home our troops and put them along the border to defend it from the foreign invasion thats been occurring for the past several decades, since thats the whole point of having a standing army. Nah, too much common sense.
You said a mouthfull! Way to go!
It is amazing to me that these politicians and other officials can blame guns on just about anything! How many people do they think the terrorist would have killed if someone in the club had a concealed carry weapon? Gun-free zones make Americans sitting-ducks.
Homeland Security itself is an Oxymoron….when our borders are so porous that its like trying to hold water in a fish net. We need to remind the Govt that IT works for US….We are not surfs or peasants…we are the ones in charge, not the Govt.
We have allowed a destructive foreign ideology in Islamic extremism unfettered access to our country. They are succeeding with the help of liberal politicians and a hostile media in dismantling 200+ years of the most admired country in the history of the world. Their prescription of removing the 2nd amendment is nothing short of totalitarianism that would make Stalin proud. Perilous times ahead.
Let’s label gun free zones, free unsuspecting civilian population pools. No worries, no risks. Yours for the taking, the media will give you your 5 minutes of fame and make you famous.
(Yes, the media pisses me off with the uncensored freedoms they have)
Firearms regulation is not part of his rice bowl. We allow Congress some regulatory oversight until such time as they attempt to obliterated the Constitutions interpetation of God given or if you prefer Self Rights. A AWB will never be acceptable to We the People again. The AWB “Grandfathered” existing firearms and accessories. CA recently eliminated the portion of their Law that grandfathered magazines, giving owners 90 days to ship the out of State, transfer to a FFL or turn them into LE. Government has shown time and time again it can not be trusted, history shows what happens to unarmed citizens. The Constution was writter to prevent that, will the Government force citizens to enforce it?
First thing the liberals in government do after a radical Islamist Muslim terrorist mows down a room full of people is attack the gun rights of law-abiding citizens. ‘Homeland Security’ in the hands of Democrats is an oxymoron.
When Obama said the same thing, neither said that a legal instrument would be created for remedy, if you were an American and your rights were wrongly stripped away from you. I can only take that to mean that they want to deny Americans their right to Due Process as well. Scary that whenever they do “common sense” gun control, it usually means our civil rights get trampled in the process. I think that “our” current government is fomenting it’s own overthrow. It’s another straw on the back of the camel named Revolution if you ask me.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Not like that! There are way too many of us to defend our 2nd and our nation against foreign or domestic tyranny.
There is no need to incite a Revolution as you guys suggest. Do you know how many will die? Have you heard of
the Chinese Green Revolution? For that matter, our Civil War? Very different causes, catastrophic loss of human life and untold suffering by the general public, Not to mention the hardship it took to rebuild. We have come a long way and we are not going to throw away all the marbles that we have gathered by starting a Revolution. We are going to elect the people to do the right things for our great nation. Make sure that you cast your votes accordingly.
Andrew,
I agree we need to try to vote those out of office who continue to try and change one of the greatest documents written by man. But there is a significant difference between people now and the people who participated in the revolutions you mentioned. Back then they believed in fighting and giving their lives for things that mattered. As you pointed out, many of them did die for the rights that we enjoy here in the US. People of today believe in giving up their rights for the sales pitch of safety provided by others. What France has doesn’t work and certainly won’t work in the US with as many enemies as the US has and continues to create.
The only gun laws that should change is the removal of any existing gun law. Our people should all be armed, as well as our armies as the 2nd Amendment states. There is a reason mass shootings do not happen in police stations. We should apply that same rule our entire country.
To those who want to make more gun laws I say this. We have a law against murder. Make that law work before you attempt to write additional laws because criminals and terrorists ignore your murder laws. If you say they ignore that law, then you make the point why no additional gun laws will work.